From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #168 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, June 9 1999 Volume 02 : Number 168 Today's Subjects: ----------------- claire [Oh4sythia@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V2 #167 [ROKHALID@vassar.edu] one last time... & high school [Oh4sythia@aol.com] NYC liz [Isha Leigh ] Okay, I'll bite ( Hyphen's high school sound-track) [Paradise79@aol.com] More proof that rock is not dead... [Jason Long ] This world is too fucking weird! (6 degrees of Liz Phair) [Paradise79@aol] Amnesty Int. Soundtrack [Dennis Junkoo Kim ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #167 [BBelbis@aol.com] the "olden" days? [Dan ] Ani being a Queer [Dan ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #167 ["keelyfish" ] Kelly Willis and First Concert ["Tim Sanderlin" ] yeah yeah yeah yeah [Katie Brown ] anyone going to beth orton in MA? [sandra ] Shaleese? ["Stephanie Morris" ] Misfits and Descendents ["Joseph H. Weber" ] Josh, The Soundtrack [Josh Webb ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 01:46:33 EDT From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: claire With random graduation goings on all week, I have been out of the list loop for what feels like ages, but I came back to a great digest - 2.167 - and to find liz b saying: Subject: NYC liz My friend and I will be attending the benefit ... with my steaming credit card in my purse. I will try to wear a silly accessory (besides my friend) so that i can be recognized easily:). The woman on the phone said dress will be eclectic, but probably business dress because people are coming straight from work in some cases. Actually I think I will buy body paint and paint that neat star on liz's guitar on my arm. Hope to see you all there, maybe we can all share a table or two for eating? I'm so ecstatic. Somebody poke me with a pin so I deflate a little! - ---melissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 02:05:52 EDT From: Paradise79@aol.com Subject: Okay, I'll bite ( Hyphen's high school sound-track) I don't have my CD's w/me (they're @ my fiance's 'cause we're making the audio tapes for the wedding, no stupid "R-E-S-P-E-C-T" "Hot. Hot. Hot." or other shit like that for us. It's strictly "Strange Loop", "Divorce Song"--yeah it was too ironic for me to pass it up, "Gypsy" and "Language" by Suzanne Vega, "Painted Desert" by 10K Maniacs, "5 String Serenade" by Mazzy Star, "Josie and the Pussycats" and of course "Tra La La Song" along w/others from Saturday Morning Cartoons Greatest, as well as a bunch others). My life is a little too broad (hell, I LOVED Tiffany in the 3rd grade, I even wanted to change my name to Tiffany, and that's NOT music that belongs on my sound-track right now). I'm still in college so I don't think I can accurately do a sound-track to my college years, so I'll stick w/high school. W/o further ado, here's the sound-track to my high school years: in no particular order: 1. Daffodil Lament, the Cranberries 2. EVERYTHING 10k Maniacs. The only albums I didn't own were Secrets of the I-Ching and Human Conflict Number 9 because they're only available on vinyl and they're so damn expensive), but most especially a. Like the Weather (first Maniac song I heard. I was in the 3rd grade--hmm..that was an odd year for me musically, and I saw the video and a brief interview w/NAM on Nick Rocks, a video show on Nickelodeon--anyone remember that?) b. Painted Desert c. Gun Shy d. Katrina's Fair (this song is the only reason I did well in Freshman Bio in high school, one of the lines is, "Kingdom, phylum, order, class, family, genus, species." It's a little off-class and order are switched, bu it's the only reason I passed that test and still know it now) e. Circle Dream f. Verdi Cries g. Anthem of a Doomed Youth h. Trouble Me l. Hey Jack Kerouack j. How You've Grown 3. Blue Light by Mazzy Star 4. Labor of Love and Dangerous by Frente' 5. Little Earthquakes by Tori Amos (the whole album, but I was in the 7th grade when it first came out so that's when it was most effective, but it was still important to me later on) 6. Night Swimming and Everybody Hurts by REM 7. People are Strange by the Doors 8. I'm Sensitive by Jewel (yeah, yeah, I know) 9. Queerest of the Queer by Garbage 10. Typical Situation and Best of What's Around by DMB (well these were more the summer before college) 11. Personal Jesus (I think that's the title, but I forget) by Depeche Mode 12. Something's Always Wrong by Toad the Wet Sprocket 13. 1979 by Smashing Pumpkins (was playing when I went to get my drivers license) 14. Wrong Band, Space Dog, and all of Boys for Pele by Tori Amos 15. Landslide as done by Smashing Pumpkins (I remember going to volleyball games listening to it) 16. Never Is a Promise by Fiona Apple 17. That's Just What You Are by Aimee Mann 18. Here and Now by Letters to Cleo (yeah, I bought the Melrose Soundtrack. I never watch the show, but I loved the CD) 19. Feed the Tree by Belly 20 Walk This World by Heather Nova (first song I heard of hers) 21. Tom's Diner and Luca (yeah, I was much younger than high school, but they deserve to be on there) by Suzanne Vega 22. Hit by the Sugarcubes (it took me YEARS to find out the title of this song. I LOVED the video when I was about 11, but I didn't know the name of the song. I just found it out a few months ago) 23. That damn PJ Harvey song (I don't remember the song or even the melody) all I remember about it is that the video had her in her underwear sitting by a counter kinda bouncing around. (again, before high school, but still influential) 24. Human Behavior by Bjork 25. Fleur de Lys, Universal Heartbeat, and Sister by Juliana Hatfield 26. Sweet Lullaby by Deep Forest (think that's the title, but I forget exactly) 27. Unmarked Helicopters by Soul Coughing 28. Champagne Supernova by Oasis 29. Will You Remember and Dreaming My Dreams by the Cranberries 30. Let the Mystery Be from 10k Maniacs Unplugged Okay, enough of this. I could go on forever, but I'll prevent myself. Most of these are actually taken from the set list for our wedding. I don't have my CD's, but I have the first tape we made and I have my little notebook full of the songs we're using. I'm w/the group of people who weren't introduced to the wonderful world of Liz until AFTER high school. I'm also a member of the group who's a little surprised to hear some people say that they were in middle school when some songs were popular. I consider myself pretty young (20) and even I was in high school by the time most of the ones listed were popular. I think it's a good sign that people are listening to Liz younger. I have a friend who was 13 when she bought her first Liz album (Exile) and she even put it on in the car w/her father. He wasn't pleased when he heard the lyrics. :-) Hyphen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 02:19:34 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: More proof that rock is not dead... Just checking in in the midst of a busy week to say a couple of things. First of all, I saw Sleater-Kinney last Thursday night in Toronto, and hands down, it was one of the best shows I've ever been to. I'd been waiting to see them live for such a long time, and even with all of the anticipation, the show still exceeded my expectations. Honestly, as good as their albums are, their music is even better live. They played with such incredible energy -- I was floored by their performances of "Start Together," "Dig Me Out," "Turn It On," "The Drama You've Been Craving," and "One Song For You." It was just such an amazing rush listening to and watching them play, I can't even put it into words. They also performed three new songs, all of which were excellent. My only disappointment -- and it's not really a disappointment, as their set was so great that I have no real reason to complain -- is that they didn't play "Good Things," which is not only my favorite song of theirs, but the one that introduced me to their music in the first place, about three years ago. Anyway, if Sleater-Kinney play anywhere near you in the future, don't hesitate to go see them. If you're already a fan, you'll be impressed with how well their songs translate live; if you're not, you'll walk out of the show a believer. Secondly, one of my other favorite bands, Pavement, released a new album yesterday, entitled _Terror Twilight_. While I've only had a chance to listen to it all the way through a few times so far, I'm really impressed with it. I'm going to try to attend their show in Toronto on Sunday night if I'm able to, so I'll likely be listening to _Terror_ for the rest of the week, so I'll be really familiar with the new songs. I also picked up the CD single for the first single, "Spit on a Stranger," last week and it's great as well. I actually prefer some of the b-sides to songs that made the album -- "Roll With The Wind" and "Harness Your Hopes" are both exceptional. For all of those who are attending the benefit show Liz is playing at (and I envy you all, by the way), I'm just curious if anyone is going to try taping it? You never know when Liz is going to debut new material these days, and on the off-chance that she does play a new song or two, it'd be nice to have a record of it. All of the new stuff we've heard already has been great and I really can't wait to hear more. If anyone manages to meet Liz either before or after the show, you should try to find out when she plans to start recording the next record (if she hasn't already). I'm sure many of us would love to know. Cheers, Jase ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 02:49:25 EDT From: Paradise79@aol.com Subject: This world is too fucking weird! (6 degrees of Liz Phair) Wow, two posts. You guys haven't heard from me @ all lately and suddenly you get two posts. Feel honored. :-) Okay, here's the deal: I haven't been reading my digests lately, okay for the past 2 or 3 weeks (sorry, but I've had one hell of a month). For some reason, can't remember why, I read yesterday's (well, skimmed would be more accurate). I was just kinda breezing through till I saw a post signed "dp in nj". Well, it's not all too often I find Phair fans in NJ much less ones w/my initials, so I wrote. And thus begins our long strange trip. :-) First, let me say "hi" to Sarah who I met through this list nearly 2 years ago even though we went to the same school. She saw my e-mail address @ the time ended with "@ washcoll.edu" and so she mailed me. She was cool as hell and made me copies of Secretly Timid and Shelved Demos. Then this chick I used to know when we were kids (her grandmother lives accross the street from my parents) signs my guest book telling me that she likes Liz Phair. After about 10 years of not speaking to her, she signs my guest book. Now this. This is cool as hell. This is just too fucking weird. Does anyone remember not too long ago (around the time Liz was @ NYU) me writing about my weird Liz radio experience. I had a Liz tape on when something told me to turn it off and listent to the radio. For some reason I did just in time to find that I missed the beginning of "Explain it to Me" (one of my favorites) and started to get ticked until the power went out just a few seconds later so they had to restart the whole song and I got to hear it literally just before I got to work (I was a block away when the song ended). I thought it was cool and I also wrote and wondered if the DJ was on the list? I believe I ended the post asking if she was on the list and I added "You kick ass." I'm pretty sure that's a direct qutoe. Please tell me someone remembers this. I had the mail saved, but AOL decided to corrupt a file so I lost all my old mail, book marks, and my entire address book and had to install another version and delete the old one. Okay, cue this: Danaldj@aol.com writes < and it was signed "Dorothy Hyphen Parent" I thought that was a made-up name(i'm sorry) FREAKY, it is a small world. I got an e-mail from a liz fan today who said they are in Nj for 2 wks and had the same initials as me and signed it - Hyphen this is really freaky-is someone fucking with me? it's got to be the same person right?! It has to be! Full circle!>> Okay, may I say that I'm freaking out as well. I've written to a whole bunch of my friends about this. It's just too odd. Oh, and the name's Dorothy-Ann (it's all my first name hyphenated, hence the nick name). I can't stand to be called "Dorothy". And no, the name wasn't made up. It's kinda funny you thought it was. I always wondered if anyone @ the station saw that letter. I had absolutely no clue when I wrote before. I just saw the initials and the location. Then all of a sudden I come home and find this e-mail where someone I've never met knows my name and where I go to school and I got a little freaked out until I examined the screen name and it all started to make sense. This is sooooo fucking cool. << I was so elated by that letter though, it MEANT soooooooooooo much to me and then......>> I seriously had no clue anyone read it. I know one guy in my Media Writing class read it and I only know that 'cause he was on the station and wrote an article about the new format for class and I told him that I wrote a letter to the paper and he went and found it and read it. You guys don't know how ticked I was when I took my little transfer tour through the Comm building (I'm a Comm Major) and heard the school station playing Ben Fold's Five's "Brick". Granted, I like the song, but every major station was playing it. I had just moved back from MD where I had HFS to NJ where we have shit. K-Rock used to not suck, but now it's devoted to Metallica and 80's metal shit. I get LIR faintly, but the only Liz they ever played was "Bride". Then you've got those annoying mix stations that worship Ricky Martin and Sugar Ray as well as the Country Station that took over a decent station and that fucking Dance Mix KTU waste of time. I had never in my life heard of a college station having a top 40 format. I was not pleased. I programmed it in to my radio, but they kept playing shit, so I went back to listening to Pharities and I just forgot about it. I think I stopped to change tapes once and I heard Liz. Can't remember what song. NO, no, that's not it. I remember. I was sitting in the parking lot @ work and I was really early so I was flipping through the radio and I heard "Perfect World" and then some chick came on and started talking about how just about everyone from REM was on the song and it really sounded like an REM song just w/Liz singing and she said Spaceegg was Liz' best album and I wanted to call and complain about that, but I was @ work so I couldn't. I had a hard time catching Liz songs, but I did every once in a while. I kept catching Todd and Tim who don't like Liz, though and I wanted to call in and have words w/them, but I refrained. This is TOO fucking weird. To hell w/famine and war. I swear Liz Phair is going to bring the world together. I still can't get over this. Too weird. Hyphen _________________________________________________________________ "Nothing feeds a hunger like a thirst"--Strange Loop (yes, I was listening yesterday) http://members.aol.com/paradise79/dap.html (yeah, I know it's down, but aol sucks and won't let me fix it. I'll do it when I can) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 03:06:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Junkoo Kim Subject: Amnesty Int. Soundtrack Well, I was watching MTV just for the heck of it, and I saw an Amnesty International ad spot for the Universal Declaration of Human rights, and guess who had a .5 second appearance? Elizabeth Clark, of all people? Mikey Stipe got much more airtime. It's my birthday today (along with Natalie Portman. ooooh. and, uh. Michael J. Fox) so as my first official act as a 21 year old, I post the soundtrack to my life up to this point: Belly "Star" (all of it, best album in the world.) "Exile in Guyville" Pavement, "Cut Your Hair" Garbage, "Garbage" Helium, "XXX" Velocity Girl, "Copacetic" Pearl Jam, "Porch" Lush "Split" INXS "Kick" (no, really!) Juliana Hatfield Three (and her by herself, too) Frente! "Marvin: the album" Smashing Pumpkins, "Gish" and "Siamese Dream" a little bit of Nine Inch Nails Beethoven's 4th, 5th, and 9th symphonies. Ravel's "Bolero" (hmmm, doo doo d'd'd'doo doo doo dum de dum) Copland's "Rodeo" (you know. Beef: it's what's for dinner) Paul Desmond (Dave Brubeck 4tet) "Take Five" (Lexus: it's what you get the beef for dinner in) Sigh. - --- "Your manuscript is both good and original, but the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." -Samuel Johnson "A'nta baka?" -Asuka d. www4.ncsu.edu/~djkim2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 08:57:26 EDT From: BBelbis@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #167 EXILE217@AOL.COM WROTE: < ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:54:41 -0400 From: Dan Subject: the "olden" days? Danaldj@aol.com wrote: >Danmac(Dan) I liked your list, but did you just graduate recently? I mean I >wish there was that kind of music(sleater-kinney/jen trynin) back in the >olden days! Thanks..but whoops..Um..i wasn't doing a soundtrack for my highschool years..I was sort of doing a soundtrack for my life at the moment :) Sorry if I strayed from the original topic.. nah..back in highschool I was basically a Liz Phair, NIN, Hole, Nirvana kid..oh..and the TOADIES!! I have to promote this amazing band every chance I can get! Their new album should be out VERY soon - but until then - I highly recommend you ALL pick up their 94 debut "RUBBERNECK" anyway, no, I graduated in '95. But nope...that list was my CURRENT 22-year old life soundtrack, not my highschool soundtrack..damn, I WISH!...maybe I'm just immature :) getting drunk in your room, Dan. (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)*(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) Fame and fortune took its toll, He's not the king of rock 'n roll anymore, He's just a junkie redneck. -LIZ PHAIR, "Elvis, Be True". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:21:29 -0400 From: Dan Subject: Ani being a Queer wrote: >i've never read or heard ani say she is gay, she's bisexual and >>reagardless of the gender of the person she fell in love with, she has >>really good queer politics and is definitely queer in my book. I just feel the need to comment on this, sorry that this isn't Liz content..anyone who does not want to hear about gay stuff, please skim passed this. Hell..it's not even ANI related. The word QUEER bothers me. There are soo many people at my university who call themselves "QUEER IDENTIFIED" - when in truth - all they are doing is trying to look "DIFFERENT", trying to look queer. I mean, if the word QUEER means "different, odd, out of the ordinary" ect..and is also HEAVILY (if not directly) connotated to Homosexuality - this is just RE-instating how DIFFERENT being GAY is... As a "BONAFIDE QUEER" myself, the label, the word isn't exactly the most positive thing. I don't see why my sexual preference is directed and placed under a category considered something QUEER. I would LOVE to be "straight identified". That wouldn't work though would it? If I were to walk into a big jock bar or something and I start getting strange looks because I'm being affectionate with my boyfriend, then proceed to tell everyone that I"m STRAIGHT IDENTIFIED and so is my boyfriend, because we're just two normal guys - I don't think that would fly. I mean, if STRAIGHT means normal - in a line - orderly - then SURE - I guess I am straight. I'm doing what's normal to me. I have a boyfriend. THat's always been how I felt, before I knew what HOMOSEXUALITY or QUEER was. I've liked men. I think I'd be called a QUEER - because I'm dating a guy.It would be IMPOSSIBLE for me to be STRAIGHT IDENTIFIED. That's why I get pissed off - when all these people call themselves "queer" and everyone "ooohs and aaahs" over how different and OPEN minded they are - yet these people DO NOT have to come out of any closet, they don't have to worry about holding hands with their boyfriend/girlfriend in public for fear of getting their HEAD smashed in or insults and various F words thrown at them, they don't have to worry about their parents possibly dis-owning them for who they date..they still have their opposite sex significant other, they're still safe, They just get to say how QUEER they are. They get to say how GAY they are. "GAY IDENTIFIED". I just have trouble grasping that. There should not be such a thing as QUEER POLITICS. There should be HUMAN RIGHTS - which cover EVERYONE's rights. I mean, there is nothing wrong with being QUEER - if you are just a little bit different than the norm. But I'm sick of homosexuality being looked at as "different than the norm." Maybe it is, whether I like it or not, but hell - we're not helping it any by still sticking it in with the QUEERS. The oddballs, the different ones. It's just sexuality..when I read shit like this, it's hard to believe it's even the 90's. I mean, I grew up feeling DIFFERENT all my life - partly because of words like QUEER. Mostly because of words like that. WOrds MEANT to make me feel not as good, different than the rest - and it worked. finally, after battling 22 years of queerness I can live my life OUT of the closet and I have JUST gotten over, maybe STILL getting over, feeling a bit different. I know we still don't have equal rights - it's a fact. No matter how comfortable I am with myself, I still can't walk down the street doing something as simple as holding hands. We're more into labelling and judging than EVER before it seems..regardless if we're more open minded. If we're still going that route - we have a LOONG fucking way to go before we (as HUMANS) start getting the rights we all deserve. If we ALL have our individuality, how can something called QUEER possibly exist? Isn't eveyone different? sorry if I came off as grouchy, had a few bad experiences with this area in my life. Sorry to bring this to the list..I don't want to start a big debate on sexuality..if someone wants to discuss any of my feelings - email me privately. Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:48:01 -0500 From: "keelyfish" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #167 Yeah, I already did don't apologize awhile back, and I disagree on the lyrics you have just a bit : ) Here's my take once more for the record. Hey, Hey, Hey What's the problem now? Hey, Hey, Hey Why aren't you more excited? Hey, Hey, Hey What am I doing wrong? Hey, Hey, Hey It always seems like you are Falling out of bed trying anything to take your mind off it never noticing any signs of danger in that emotion Hey, Hey, Hey You got a {insert word that rhymes with motor} problem Hey, Hey, Hey Don't even think about it Hey, Hey, Hey And don't apologize Hey, Hey, Hey It always seems like you are Falling out of bed trying anything to take your mind off it never noticing any sign of danger in that emotion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:13:23 +0000 From: "Tim Sanderlin" Subject: Kelly Willis and First Concert Valerie wrote: "The opening act, kelly willis, was quite good and had a bit of a country/bluegrass twang. worth checking out" I recently saw Kelly Willis on one of those Best Buy music commercials (You don't know me... but you will). I don't know if anyone remembers (I'm surprised I do, actually, b/c I loathe most country music) but Kelly Willis had a top ten country song early nineties (I think '90) and then she disappeared. I thought she had talent then (on top of being a redhead... hehe) and I'm glad to see that she's out and about again. "i'll start by admitting mine was ratt and bon jovi (ratt headlined!)" My second concert was Bon Jovi on the "Slippery When Wet tour (I was 12yrs old, gimme a break) and Cinderella opened, and Cinderella kicked Bon Jovi's ass! I love it when the opening band is better than the headliner. My FIRST concert was Petra (remember them?) in 1981-2. My first secular rock (yes, I'm going to Hell) concert was Bruce Springsteen on the Born In The USA tour at Texas Stadium. He played for three hours and I was so exhausted afterward. I can't imagine what HE felt like... y'know I was thinking about what my soundtrack would be. Since I don't have one for my high school years (I have a mental block on those years. Come to think of it, did I even go to high school...?) I though I would enter my College Years soundtrack. All of these are from my Freshman year (close enough to high school) 'I Could Have Lied' - Red Hot Chili Peppers 'Into the Fire' - Sarah McLachlan 'Kill Your Television' - Ned's Atomic Dustbin 'For Love' - Lush 'You Chase the Light' - Innocence Mission 'Girlfriend' - Matthew Sweet 'Black' - Pearl Jam 'Workin' in Corners' - Nancy Griffith 'Fretless' - REM 'Miss Mary' - Coincidence (I wrote it my freshman year; had to include it) 'The Mind of Love' - k.d. lang 'Ghost' - Indigo Girls 'Lithium' - Nirvana Now if that's not diverse, I don't know what is. Sorry for the long post. I'm bored and I tend to ramble when I'm bored. NP: 'Innocence Mission' - The Innocence Mission ********************************* I said what you wanted to hear and what I wanted to say, So I will take it back ********************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:14:13 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: Marylin Manson makes a good point Anybody out there read the new Rolling Stone yet ? I did. I hate to ruin if you haven't read it, but Marylin Manson wrote a piece in regard to the tragedy in Littleton. I was quite skeptical, mainly because I dont like MM, ("dope show" was cute, but the shock value has worn off) but also because I didn't know what to expect. I laid back on my sofa and read it... Damn, I was impressed. Take out the unnecessary expletives and it was really one of the best arguments about the Littleton massacre I have ever read. I'm sure part of his motivation to write the piece was to put the media in its place. He succeeded. I agree with his point about the media being a huge part of the problems in this world. I also agree that the media was looking for a scapegoat -- because the simple fact is-- millions upon millions of children listen to MM and play Doom, and alot of children also dress like Goths--- Very few kill. And I dont believe that ANY of them kill because of music they heard, games they played or clothes and makeup they wore. MM floored me when in reference of who was to blame for Littleton-- he says "throw a rock and you'll hit someone whose guilty." --- He speaks the truth. Liz content: I wonder what Liz would say after reading the article... Hmmm... Okay thats all. ~jaime* ~~~ "...poetry is not an expression of emotion, but an escape from emotion..." ~T.S. Eliot ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:10:38 PDT From: Katie Brown Subject: yeah yeah yeah yeah all day i have been saying/singing the yeah yeah yeah yeah from the very begining of lauryn hill's that thing... think about it... duh-nuh yeah yeah yeah yeah.... giiirls you know you better... reminds me of post-wellesley singing with nicole... Bill in CT is this part of what you witnessed without saying hello??? yeah yeah yeah yeah... my first concert was Fall of 1984, I was nine, Thriller tour. I could barely make out the red jacket and sparkling white glove, but i could see it in the distance!!! It was at Soldiers Field which is the studium where the Chicago Bears play... and it was *pouring* rain, I mean buckets... the security guards were all wearing bright yellow jackets and i so wish i had one... I remember loving Michael Jackson and being in all kinds of fans clubs, but i don't remember any of the songs from that night! just the rain and standing on the folding chair which was sinking into mud. and i remmeber my outfit... this is fucking classic.... I was wearing a pink parachute-pants-and-matching-jacket-set from Neiman Marcus!!! Like, my mother took me to Neimen Marcus for fucking parachuste pants so that coke-bottle-glasses-nine-year-old-ass me could "fit in" at a michael jackson concert! by the way, pink parachute pants or not, I most certainly did NOT fit in at this concert. (and i never wore the outfit again) Besides, Nicole Korzyniewski's parents were with us so we were of course mortified the entire time. ok, ok, if the parents thing disqualifies MJ as my first real concert... The next was June 30, 1989... P.I.L., Sugarcubes (early Bjork) and New Order, my absolute favorite band that year. Was it right before _Technique_ was released? I can't remember what the name of the tour was, or what the venue was... damn!.... but i do remember embarassing myself and my friends by screaming all of the words to Bizarre Love Triangle during the encore... everytime i see you falling yeah yeah yeah yeah! Thanks Aly K for the lyrics... I think you are so right about "Me, I'm like a wild flame..." and the "fear" line too. Keely did Don't Apoligize a few weeks ago which I was psyched about... it's funny, even though i am one of the worst at misheard lyrics, i still can't stand it when people mis-quote Liz in their sigs and shit... so thanks keely and aly k. later katiebrown *even though most people call me KB (smoked too many kind buds in college -- i *earned* those fucking initials!) ... i am switching to katiebrown becuase i noticed other katies using their initials like mine... i want it kinda like Fame "baby remember my name!" **by the way, Boston folks, Fame is on Channel 68 tonight at 8pm.... Doris, Leroy, Ralph... you know you wanna! just do it! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:15:56 -0700 (PDT) From: sandra Subject: anyone going to beth orton in MA? Beth Orton is playing in Northampton, MA on June 18. Anyone on this list going? I may end up going solo. And Kelly Willis is AWESOME! I saw her in April at a bar literally around the corner from my house. That's the little-bit-country that I actually like. > > does the "joe lies..." song in say anything go along > with the one where she > is full of angst - "it'll NEVER be me, it'll NEVER > be me..."? "That'll NEVER be me" was written in big letters with a blue Sharpie on our double-loft bed in college ... (my roommate and I loved to scrawl cool things on the wood) ... and we loved those words ... but I think that was a separate song than "Joe Lies" ... she seemed to keep playing snippets of songs. but now I'll have to watch the movie to confirm it. Ken-- NON-TRIPOD .. I have never heard that before. love it. Aly, I am going to have to disagree with you with a couple of tiny things in Firewalker ... Below in CAPS is what I think the lyrics are (not that I'm right--but this is really how I hear it--how are we ever going to know for sure?) anyone concur? or am I wrong? > > but i can grow > inspite all we know/ DESPITE ALL YOU KNOW > you might not recognize me tomorrow > yes i can change > inspite all that they say/ DESPITE ALL THEY SAY > call me/ BECOME something strange and beautiful > like joy, like joy a lot of people assumed Ani > DiFranco was a lesbian > because of a song lyric about coveting another man's > wife. Unfortunately, > I don't remember which song. That was Shameless, off the album Dilate, and she did indeed have at least one long-term relationship with a woman. But I am by no means an Ani expert (though I could introduce you to some on the net ... those are some rabid fans, man o man. I mean, I love Ani, but ... oh shit, I could probably be considered a rabid Liz Phan, right? I'll shut up now.) Can you define pan-sexual? ; ) sandra _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:27:19 -0700 From: "Stephanie Morris" Subject: Shaleese? "I finally got around to reading Camden Joy's book. Not as much on Liz as I was hoping, but still a pretty enjoyable read. If any of you guys haven't read it yet, check it out. It's pretty cheap through Amazon. Although I just could never picture Liz as a Shaleese. Not to offend any Shaleeses out there, it just doesn't fit on Liz. Anyway... out for now..." How did you figure that? Is she really supposed to represent Liz? Hmmm... That's all... too brain dead from a dumb temp job to say much more. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 20:06:19 -0500 From: "Joseph H. Weber" Subject: Misfits and Descendents Hey there all: This goes out to Valerie. You mentioned Descendents and Misfits in one paragraph! You especially mentioned I Don't Want to Grow Up:) Fantastic. Those were also two of my high school bands of choice. I just had to complement you, because usually when one mentions the Descendents one is greeted with a blank stare. I would also have to add the Dickies to your list, hehe. Catch ya later, hipcat. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:51:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Josh Webb Subject: Josh, The Soundtrack Hello all, Sounded like a good thread to come out of the basement on. Here's my soundtrack(in a semi-chronological order: Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen Layla, Eric Clapton Add it Up, Violent Femmes Crackerman, STP Drain You, Nirvana Where Did You Sleep Last Night?, Nirvana Stratford-on-Guy, Liz Strange Loop, Liz Ants Marching, Dave Matthews Band Rhinoceros, Smashing Pumpkins May Queen, Liz #41, Dave Matthews Band Change, Blind Melon Cradle and All, Ani DiFranco Crime for Crime, Ani DiFranco Blindfold, Morcheeba Sugarboy, Beth Orton Selfless, Cold, and Composed, Ben Folds Five Video, Ben Folds Five Beginning to See the Light, Liz Don't Change Your Plans, Ben Folds Five Blood Keeper, Liz Looks like my life is a double album. Huh, that line sounds like an Ani lyric. As always, I'm looking for anybody with Liz shows I don't have. Check out my tapelist on my sig file below and email me privately if anybody would like to trade. Late, I'm out, Josh === "I remember when misery thrilled me much more."--Ben Folds Five "It took an hour, maybe a day, but once I really listened, the noise just fell away"--Liz Phair If you're interested in trading live tapes with me, visit: http://www.angelfire.com/fl/layeroffilm/tapelist.html _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 23:31:02 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Ginz" Subject: Liz is Charmed "Baby Got Going" was played during the television show, "Charmed" on the WB. Now, my television just happened to be on that silly channel....and I only caught the part at the end where they say, "this episode featured music from........" I personally think Charmed....as well as Buffy are terrible shows. Here come the flames!!!! (Geez, take it easy.) I loved the film, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" with Luke Perry and Kristie Swanson. Those who have seen the film know that the tv show has absolutely nothing to do with the film's concept. I'll leave it at that..... The did however play Liz Phair....so they earn a few points.. Ginz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 23:31:54 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Pat Smalley" Subject: Life Soundtrack OK so here's mine; 1 Perfect World. Liz Phair. 2 Baby got going. Liz Phair. 3 Under the bridge. Red hot chilli peppers. 4 Crazy. Eternal. 5 Climbing to the moon Eels. 6 Whenever. Beth Orten. 7 The Fever. Garth Brooks. 8 Once. Pearl Jam. 9 Why go. Pearl Jam. 10 Sale of the century. Sleeper. 11 Peaches. P.U.S.A. 12 I'll be there for you. The Rembrants. 13 Smells like teen spirit. Nirvana. 14Job's eyes. Far. Not awe inspiring I know but it's about all I could think of right now. Marky. A former sandcastle. ''I wish I never saw the sunshine, then maybe I wouldn't mind the rain'' Beth Orten. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #168 ************************************