From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #155 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, May 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 155 Today's Subjects: ----------------- dana's post ["Bad Dreams" ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #150 [Talula9695@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V2 #150 [Talula9695@aol.com] (no subject) [TADude9999@aol.com] Mediocre Garbage? [Mike Connolly ] Fuck or die [Tiffany M Wilson ] dp ["Paul Erickson" ] liz phair's stunning beauty ["chris camboni" ] um..... ["JeNnY sAyLeR" ] recent posts/bts etc/misc blather [KaliMantra@aol.com] ramblings induced by Elmer's finest white... ["Darrin J. Schroeder" ] In need of boots worth fixing my car radio for [sandra ] Hey Ray- ["Jaime" ] breasts and hole [raymond lew ] qu'est-ce que c'est? ["Nicole W." ] one more thing... ["Nicole W." ] Tori/Alanis ["~*Megan*~" ] NLP- tori tour? [LULU428@aol.com] right on VH1! ["dana polachowski" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:03:42 PDT From: "Bad Dreams" Subject: dana's post >Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:45:26 -0700 >From: "dana polachowski" >Subject: going off I agree with you that looks aren't important to fans but is important to record companies. I forget who the artist was, i think it was Rick Martin but they called him "music's most eligible bachelor" or something like that on the TV ads. What does being an eligible bachelor have to do with buying music? Then again, it sells and record companies are out to make money, so there's nothing you can do about it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 04:10:40 EDT From: Talula9695@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #150 Hey Jaime, just because you think you're wasting your time typing away on your computer and sending out thoughts that you think no one is listening to doesn't necessarily mean it's true. I thought what you said was really honest; it's a shitty little world sometimes and people go around crushing you without even looking back. I hate to admit it, but right now material possesions are all I'm here for (Girlysounds being one of them, of course). And "the man" wonders why our generation wants to get high 24/7. A lot of the time that's the only thing left besides all the bullshit. Boy, that was depressing. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is thanks for letting me know I'm not alone. You aren't either. Hooray for my escape at 4:20 Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 04:17:41 EDT From: Talula9695@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #150 Nic'Ole Dirty Bastard, you're hilarious....just thought I'd drop a line and let you know ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:01:08 EDT From: TADude9999@aol.com Subject: (no subject) Dana Protano,on May 27th wrote: Mick Jagger plays the guitar,piano and has been considered in the music biz, as one of the foremost harmonica players in the biz for most of his career. I hear all this talk about people being upset that one person said BTS is basically an ugly band and yet I've seen a few of you give a rebutal that gave examples of other bands or musicians that are also ugly. This seems contradictory to me although I understand you are probably just in a defensive mode. I don't think you need to get your point across by giving examples of other "ugly" performers. Other than that I hope you all have a tremendous Memorial Day Weekend. TAD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 05:13:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Connolly Subject: Mediocre Garbage? >Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:12:17 PDT >From: "Dana Protano" > both the garbage and pj harvey albums were kinda > mediocre and i love both the bands/artists. Which Garbage release was mediocre? I have both, and think they're both excellent. And on a related note, why does everyone consider Garbage to be a chick band? It's Butch Ving's project, and always has been from the start. NP: Texas, _The Hush_ === Mikey C Va Beach "It's time to face what you most fear Right Guard will not help you here Brace yourself, my dear..." - - Jello Biafra "Holiday In Cambodia" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 09:01:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Tiffany M Wilson Subject: Fuck or die Hey all, I don't know if this has ever been mentioned in relation to the girlysounds tapes, but I don't remember it...(insert fun little story here). I was at a party last night (yes, even though I had to work at 9am this morning, where I am now, only slightly catatonic and more than a little delirious). Well, someone put on a Johnny Cash cd (don't even ask how we got to that cd). Well a song comes on and I start flipping out. "This is Fuck or Die. This is a Liz Phair song!" Then, "NO, Fuck or Die is this!!" Well, the song is "I Walk the Line," and she mutates the part at the beginning into "I keep a close watch on this twat of mine, I keep my eyes wide open all the time, and the condom on yr dick's the tie that binds, because you're mine, I walk the line." anyway, I don't remember anyone else mentioning that borrow. - -Tiff, who can't type well because she's running on a slight hangover and three hours sleep at most. "And I may be young, but I still know the things you put down can rise from below. And I can hardly believe you would lay this at my door, 'cause I have heard that song before." -Liz Phair "All you ever wanted was someone to take care of you. All you're ever losing is a little mascara..." -Paul Westerberg (The Replacements) "This is why events unnerve me, they find it all a different story. Notice whom for wheels are turning, turn again and turn towards this time... Oh, I'll break them down, no mercy shown. Heaven knows, it's got to be this time..." -Ian Curtis (Joy Division) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:30:04 PDT From: "Paul Erickson" Subject: dp <<<>>> If I were you guys, I wouldn't go by the initials dp as it can have some meanings in some circles you may not want associated with yourselves :) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:07:10 PDT From: "chris camboni" Subject: liz phair's stunning beauty what's going on? i'm fairly new to the digest, and for the past week or so i've just been reading what everyone else is saying and agreeing or disagreeing and thinking and well... whatever... i just have to comment on the attractiveness issue. like some other people, i didn't really think a/b it until somebody said something. when i first picked up whitechocolatespaceegg, a friend of mine commented on how hot she was but that the cover didn't do her justice. that's all well and good, but ponder this for a second (i'm not claiming to make this up... i know some other people have said it...): liz's music would be exactly the same no matter how she looked. granted, you wouldn't really want to ogle her too much at a concert, but her music would still speak to me in the way that it does now. when i listen to her cds, i don't even think a/b her looks, i'm so involved w/ the deepness of her message anyways, that's my rambling a/b that... i guess i'm done for now chris ps oh yeah, i like the way people end w/ quotes... so here goes "i could take this in doses large enough to kill" ~liz phair _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:16:09 -0500 From: "JeNnY sAyLeR" Subject: um..... >I would love to hear Liz sing about masturbation. It seems like that's the >one taboo she hasn't nailed yet (or has she?) Are you kidding? Listen to the lyrics of "Baby Got Going" on WCSE! - - --John yeah, and then there is also that Famous masturbation song...Turning Japanese *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ * Cool, Tall, Vulnerable, and Luscious - http://www.liz-phair.com Vampyr - A Buffy the Vampire Slayer Page http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/vampyr.htm *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ * ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:13:01 EDT From: KaliMantra@aol.com Subject: recent posts/bts etc/misc blather ok...i've been lurking for quite some time, and i hate like to hell to have my first post be hostile and critical, but i'm *really* tired of the whole built to spill/doug debate. while i don't want to fan the fires any more (since they're already way out of control), i would like to say that this discussion is really lame. dana really made me mad with her recent post. i understand her need to defend doug (because he is a helluva a guy, and built to spill are incredible), but <> <> <> these comments aren't going to win you Ms. Congeniality, and they have quite a potential to be hurtful to the person whom they're directed at. perhaps we need to respect each other a bit more, instead of insulting everything we don't agree with. there *are* more tactful ways of getting yr opinion across. <> deep? you know, these women aren't going for top prize in the category "philosophical lyrics" or whatever. you can dislike them, but give a little constructive criticism instead of saying "they're lame" or "they suck". (jumping off my high horse...oof!) Lauren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 10:57:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Darrin J. Schroeder" Subject: ramblings induced by Elmer's finest white... > From: Kaufmann@IPFW.EDU (Kaufmann,Mike) came his sig: > Mike > > Slicin up eyeballs I wanna know > ...Don't know about you but I am un > CHIEN Andalusia--Black Francis (nee Frank Black), Pixies (RIP) I highly recommend the film alluded to here for anyone with an open mind and an appreciation for cinematic excellence. Narrow-minded people shouldn't bother, because all they'd do is say stuff like "That didn't make any sense" or "That was so gross." The film is, of course, Luis Bunuel and Salvador Dali's 1928 classic "Un Chien Andalou" which includes the infamous eyeball slicing scene. If you see it, pay particular attention to the moon. >And From: u1030146 on the Subject of: Unsend > > Sorry to send out that strange little one word message with the o at > the > end of Liz Phair. Yeah, but it wasn't a big o, so don't sweat it. > Spell check mistakenly came on > and when I tried to stop it, I accidentally hit Send. I kept > thinking > of that IBM commercial where the guys say UNSEND, UNSEND. sorry. I keep thinking of that saying "Well, then I take it back; UN-FUCK YOU" NP: "Ace of Spades" --Dino Martinis version (if you're into swing, check out their album "Steak and Comedians Night" or visit http://www.dinomartinis.com ) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:25:44 -0500 From: jeremy Subject: Re: Tori, Liz, and Alanis tori amos and ani difranco suck. that's all. jeremy fallout@purdue.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 12:33:50 -0700 (PDT) From: sandra Subject: In need of boots worth fixing my car radio for hi there everyone First thing I do every morning at work is read the digest while drinking my hazelnut-with-skim-milk-and-one-sugar, since I don’t have computer access yet at home. I rarely post, but enjoy reading ... Jason, Ruthie, Nicole, Jaime, Ken, Keely, Katie, and so many others ... you’re very entertaining. (Although I could do without the BuilttoSpill-Alanis-SherylCrow bashing ... they're all artists after all; you don't have to like them--enough other people do. Not to mention the fellow-lister bashing ...yuck ... but I digress.) Here’s my self-inflicted problem: I keep meaning to go through all the digests one by one and save info on who has what bootlegs, but the days are suddenly weeks ... and I just haven’t found the time to be so thoroughly administrative about it. So without having to resort to eBay, and at the risk of sounding completely redundant ... can anyone who has boots of the latest shows (particularly Mt. Holyoke, Lupo’s, Lounge Ax, and any Boston-area show ... and did anyone tape the Cinco de Mayo show?) please email me and let me know what it will take to get a copy? Any show, really, to be honest, as long as it’s listenable and includes Liz’s groovy voice. I’ve got nothing to trade (well, I do have the ‘95 Milwaukee show, on both CD and tape, thanks to Justin and Teddy), but just let me know what postage and reimbursement you’ll need, and I’ll be a very good customer. I know so many of you post this stuff all the time ... but it is in dribs and drabs and by the time I remember to go back and find out it’s the next day and OOPS! there’s already a new digest in my inbox. They just keep coming and coming ... : ) Again, sorry, but hope there’s help out there. Please email sandra_boncek@yahoo.com. Thanks much. Sandra NP: Faith No More, The Real Thing _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 13:51:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzanne Walsh Subject: tapes Hey ya'll - here's the deal. I'm looking for some bootlegs. I'd love to get copies of these shows: Lounge Ax any of the later concert dates from this spring tour - especially the last show! Cool? Email if you're interested in trading or if you're really kind and would like to just make the tapes and I will provide the tapes and return postage and maybe a little prize or something... === The one and only, Suzanne Explain It To Me http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Hall/9429 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 18:12:04 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: Hey Ray- >Do you really feel that the majority of fans only listen >for the music? If Liz Phair put on a private show for everyone on this >list, how many of us would be at least a little disappointed when some >Liz Phair cover band shows up instead. Keep in mind that the band would >be able to replicate Liz' sound perfectly, so the music would remain the >same. Why is it that cover bands aren't nearly as huge as the artists >they cover? I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous statement. If I bought a ticket to see Liz at a small private show, and some cover band showed up, the first thing I would do is toss my chair on stage, demand my money back and then I'd probably set the place on fire. (Well, all but the arson, anyway). Ray, I dont think you are a bad person. I think you saw Built to Spill and didnt like them... I dont care if you were attracted to them or not... I find Al Gore surprisingly hot, also David Letterman... Neither of them will ever be on Dawson's Creek... My point is... dont get upset what others say on this list... And dont get carpal tunnel trying to reply to everyone who had a problem with what you said... Just say what is on your mind and let them deal with it... They are the ones with the problem... right? Now, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with any of the BTS debates... honestly, after the first few I skipped most of them. Sorry, I got sick of reading about it... I dont think I have ever heard of BTS, they sound familiar, but no bells are ringing... I will be sure to keep my eyes out for them, so when I HEAR them I can make my own decision. I am so glad I didn't worry about Liz bashing years ago... or I might've tossed out EIG and WS, thankfully I make my own decisions and when it comes to musicians -- I just have to hear them first, before I can decide... By the way... The first time I listened to Jewel/Drewel I felt just as sick as I do now when I see her "Bjork" wannabe face. She is lacking every sense of the word "talent"--- *but that's just my opinion* Hey everyone, have a great memorial day weekend! ~Jaime* *picking up a 6pk of RR tonight* - -<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>- "I only get high about twice a day, It helps to keep my blues away..." --Bran Van 3000 -<<>>- "Downer Surrealism." - --Frank Zappa, on Steely Dan - -<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 15:33:22 -0700 (PDT) From: raymond lew Subject: breasts and hole <> hey craig, which were you looking up? wwf or breast implants? hmmm..... i don't know if anyone mentioned this, but hole is scheduled to tour with lilith fair in columbus (august 10) and cincinnati (august 11). i remember a couple of years ago (uh, i guess that would be two years) sarah mclauglin (or however you spell her name--you know who i'm talking about) said that she would never ask hole to join lilith because they wouldn't be good representatives of the message lilith fair is supposed to bring across or something like that. i guess she changed her mind. or maybe courtney changed. eh, one of the two. still no liz content to be found. i'm worried. ...ray NP (not playing, but i wish it were): verbena, souls for sale ND (now dubbing): girlysounds for marc **************************************************************************** "I'm a wreck, I'm obsessed, I'm insane. Isn't that what you want me to say?" --Liz Phair the writings on the wall - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/ beginning to see the light - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/liz_phair/ **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:00:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: qu'est-ce que c'est? Umm does anyone know what is going on when, on the "Glory" boot, the crowd starts cheering during "chopsticks?" I was listening in the car today and I just wondered. It's hard to have a boot without the visual shite, cuz every once in a while, the crowd will cheer or laugh or just do so mething, and I'm like "HUH?" That's why I like having boots of shows I saw, to counteract my confusion brought on by shows I haven't seen but have heard. Ya know? I don't know... I just haven't been posting lately. I don't have anything to say. I have been skimming the digests lately, trying to avoid that built to spill crap... i've never heard htem and the posts are too long anyway. I have a short attn span. Notice I had to abbreviate attn, cuz that's how short the span is... I can't type the whhole word. If anyone is ever driving around kentucky or eventually Michigan, and they see a black toyota corolla wiht a liz phair sticker on the back, that's me! i mean maybe. :) I have this secret wish that someone will see my sticker and leave a note on my car like "wow! I didn't know anyone in this state liked Liz Phair! I love Liz Phair!" I just think that would be nice, and make me have more r3spect for the musical taste of my fellow ky citizens. Welllll... later, Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 19:36:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: one more thing... I've finally added a few misheard lyrics to my Garden of Ewoks page... but somewhere along the way I migh thave lost a few. There are only like four misheard lyrics so far. If you have any, e-mail them to me. At this address. Umm they have to be Liz Phair lyrics. :) Check out the ones I have already at www.angelfire.com/ca/DontWalk/ewoks.html. Alternatively, visit my whole damned site! http://fly.to/mayqueen!!!!!! Ugh... I decided that one of htese days, if i ever had $$, i'd be www.mayqueen.com or www.mayqueen.net, but those are both apparently taken... like not officially, but I wen tto this sthing where you could like reserve the n ames (with a credit card. HA!) and punched in both names, and they were taken. mayqueen.org wasnb't,b ut i don't shell out my credit card for online shit. It's not safe. Plus why do supposedly "free" services want my credit card #? Ugh. Just a gripe. Later, Nicole NP: (In me head) I'll Get Y ou High (maybe cuz i'll either be getting drunk or high tonight??) what a beautiful day for a drive... actually it is. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:03:10 -0400 From: "~*Megan*~" Subject: Tori/Alanis I'd also like to know why Alanis is taking over the world. Well, not really but it seems that Alanis, Tori & Liz are, at best (for Alanis), on the same level. I don't know why they are opening for/coheadlining with Alanis. IMHO, Liz + Tori are 10x better! I think this Alanis mixing is unacceptable!! I just wonder whose idea this all was. . . . *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* *Megan* megan@gymnastica.com AIM: Oatmeal 06 ICQ: 21306255 http://members.tripod.com/~URAwinner/index.html Russian Gymn. - #1!! *UNH* "And I know that sometimes all I can see is how I feel like the whole world is on the other side of a dirty windshield and I'm trying to see through the glare yes I'm struggling just to see what is there." -Ani Difranco *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 20:22:47 EDT From: LULU428@aol.com Subject: NLP- tori tour? i havent been able to read any of these digests for the last week and a half which really sucks- my browser is all screwed up so i cant get online except to read email and all the downloaded ones i cant read unless i go to the website so i am definitly going through support system withdrawel. my question to all of you is- does anyone know anything about tori amos playing in ny or nj anytime this summer? i heard something second hand from one of the teachers i work with (her daughter got tickets through a mailing list) and i cant get online to find out so i thought i'd give it a try and ask any of you if you knew. well, hopefully soon this problem will be solved and i'll be able to catch up on all the latest digests... happy 3 day weekend- Lani ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:40:43 -0700 From: "dana polachowski" Subject: right on VH1! yeah, as another lister mentioned, i'm so happy VH1 is actually paying attention to some very cool female musicians....i'm actually kind of stunned (in a good way!) i wonder who the judging panel was--it almost sounds as if it was other musicians or music people, not the public at large. otherwise, you know what we'd be watching. again. so, very cool.... here in america we have the freedom to pursue life, liberty, happiness, and also to buy boobs. oh my god...(!!!) i almost fell off my chair face-first laughing. my own boobs would not be big enough to break my fall, however. oh well. i'll go visit the ebay site.... dana protano: you're gonna die--(very cool post, by the way...)--my full initials are ALSO "DLP" but i'm not gonna use them, i'll still use "dp" or "dana." wacky!! dp ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #155 ************************************