From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #153 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, May 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 153 Today's Subjects: ----------------- I hear wedding bells.... [AngelLieb@aol.com] 6:22 AM posting ["Jaime" ] jewel and "the look" ["Paul Erickson" ] BtS one more time ["keelyfish" ] alright! a debate! [ken_davis@putnaminv.com] Re: BtS one more time [ShellBell ] Sheryl Crow [Craig King ] going off ["dana polachowski" ] Liz cover songs. [Dan ] winamp skins [Antony Yen ] Liz Phairo [u1030146 ] More Jewel similarities: Does she wish she was Liz or what? ["Al" ] stupid lists ["jw" ] Uhhhh... OK ["Joseph H. Weber" ] Nudity in Star Wars (ep 1) [dbickin@ibm.net] Women who Rock [AngelLieb@aol.com] DC PHFEST [dbickin@ibm.net] Re: Brad Wood on the radio ["Jill Sutton" ] More Built to Spill Fallout ["Jacquicee@msn.com" ] enough ["robert joyner" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 06:26:34 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: I hear wedding bells.... I heard wedding bells ringing in my head cuz I remember a fellow list member is getting married this summer and will be spending their honeymoon in Orlando. I wrote an email of all the lovely things you could do here, hope it helped out a little bit! Sorry for the non-Liz content. KL ();) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 06:50:20 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: 6:22 AM posting *NP: Beatles _anthology 3_ "Happiness is a warm gun" Okay, stupid idea, but I'm getting high right now... 6:22 AM. I was just sitting here (havent been up this early in awhile) reading through my digest... And I said, hey-- why the hell not--- get stoned and post. I just hope I'm still in the mood to go to work at 8:30. Fuck it. I love the Beatles too. I have been meaning to post about it, but just never got around to it. The Beatles are a band I really loved as a kid. I wasnt going to get into the Anthology music, but my hip Grandma bought me some for my birthday one year, because she remembered I liked the Beatles. I was skeptical (I hated the way "free as a bird" came out) but the music has really blown me away, a lot of it is rougher, some words are different... but I actually found myself preferring the Anthology music to the original versions of the songs. I am the same way with Liz... the rougher, more "human" her music is, the more I enjoy it. I just really like to hear a band have fun. Liz has fun, the Beatles were having fun... you can hear it in their voices and in their playing. *NP: Beatles _Anthology 3_ "Polythene Pam" That's what I "listen" for when I see/hear a band... I dont really care about looks... but to be honest I hated Marylin Manson at first because he was a bit scary for me, I avoided his music. One day I caught the "dope show" video, and I found myself liking him more, because he changed his look. When he looked less like corpse and more like a 70's glam-rock star I gave him a chance. *NP: Beatles _anthology 3_ "junk" ~ such a sweet song... I also hated Courtney's big turn-around... I cant stand her new "california" sound. I miss the rough, loud, screaming, emotional Courtney. Maybe Hole will boot her. (imagine that?) I will admit that if Liz was a 800 lb lady with a mustache, I would surely be a bit reluctant to brag about her being my favorite musician... I'm sorry. I hate being superficial, but I blame human nature. Okay- who covered Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da... I could have sworn I heard a cover of it a few weeks ago... Memory fails as to whom the artist was... Someone must know. Man, I wish I could've slept with all the Beatles, or even just Paul and John... Off to mirc land... ~Jaime* - -<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>- "I only get high about twice a day, It helps to keep my blues away..." --Bran Van 3000 -<<>>- "Downer Surrealism." - --Frank Zappa, on Steely Dan - -<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>- *NP: Beatles _anthology 3_ "What's The New Mary Jane" *NP:overload ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 06:52:53 PDT From: "Paul Erickson" Subject: jewel and "the look" Hola amigos, I only skimmed the list today because I am really behind at work this week btu I'll take a minute to post anyway. Enough Jewel bashing. I'm not a big fan, I don't own any of her albums, but she does have a good voice and I know a lot of people probably think that "my hands are small I know, etc, etc, etc" are cheesy lyrics but I like them nonetheless because they are positive and uplifting. I agreed with some of the initial comments made in reference to Built to Spill (although admittedly I am not familiar with them and missed the late night talk show appearance). I just mean that making it in the music business is not just about who writes the best songs, or who has the best voice, or who rocks the hardest on guitar. It also involves a lot of other factors including of course "your look". Now putting on clean t-shirts is not the answer. Nirvana (as mentioned) did not wear clean t-shirts or shiny puff-daddy-suits but they did have a distinct look which was very popular in their hay-day and was important to their success (Would people have liked them as much if Kurt and crew dressed like Donald Trump? I don't think they would have connected with their target audience if they had.) Also important are stage presence and drive to succeed (you can write the greatest songs the world has ever known but not get anywhere if all you do is sit in your basement waiting to be discovered). So, like it or not, there's a lot more to making it in the music industry besides being a good musician. With love and trust, P _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:11:19 -0500 From: "keelyfish" Subject: BtS one more time Ok. Let's get pretentious all over again. You said that "KEELY stated that I had blamed bts for the actions of greg (the one who signed my guestbook about bts). Quite the contrary." No. That was the main point of your whining. Would BtS even have entered the support system by you had it not been for you ranting about Greg? I think not. You mention more than once that you "have to vent" and "you're so pissed" because he signed your guestbook. You say "Please try not to twist my words; take into account everything that I have posted." So some parts of your post are true and some are false? Why post if the whole thing isn't valid? You argue that "KEELY also remarks, " you are by no means saddened at the superficiality of the music industry" even though I had clearly posted "sad to say, but the music industry is very visually-oriented." I don't know how much clearer this can be. " Well, duh. That's the point. You say "sad to say" but then you go onto describe their various states of ugliness and how bad that is. That's a bit hypocritical. And if you want to take it all the way, you just said thatI shouldn't twist your words and I should take into account everything you say. So by that, I'm led to believe that the "sad to say" was just something you said, and the rest of the paragraph about their ugliness was what you really ment. (i.e. you said you were mad about the guestbook, but it turns out later in the paragraph that you were "really" mad about their appearance. You say, rather accusatorily, "As far as the drumming is concerned, unless you play the drums, or know alot about them and are not simply going off of what other people say, you do not know what is "difficult" or a "stock-drum beat." Sounds like you don't think I play the drums. Well, for your information, I play the guitar, the violin, the saxophone, the piano, AND *drumroll* the drums. So no. I'm not "going off what other people say." And even if I were, you don't know if the people I'm "going off of" are amazing drummers. What if my boyfriend was the drummer from Don Caballero? You want more drumming amazingness than that? You couldn't find it anywhere. The only thing that comes close is SDRE. So! Before you make your assumptions, check your facts, please. Lastly, "The "look" bts has just didn't work for me. No one says that it has to." Who the hell says they have a "look." That sounds like they all get together before the show and say, "Hey, Doug, you wearing that green shirt today? Cause if you are I'll wear my blue one." Nobody said they had to have a look, did they? Also! Regarding the no one says it has to comment. You do. You are missing out on a great band because of their appearance on a late night talk show. Poor you. In my opinion, Liz sucked pretty bad compared to her normal awesomeness when she was on Letterman. Oh well. Don't go out and find more Built to Spill, don't like them and look for other stuff with the same people. Don't by any means check out any old stuff like the incredibly awesome and amazing better than even liz Halo Benders. Calvin Johnson's even uglier than Doug. As a sidenote, some of the best bands in music right now are notoriously sucky live. Take Helium for example. And Liz when she first started out. Who knows? bitching still, keely ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 99 12:11:31 -0500 From: ken_davis@putnaminv.com Subject: alright! a debate! Raymond... Let's try this again... By parsing my sentence : "I have begun to appreciate ugly-ass people who still crack the pop charts. " was reduced to: "I have begun to appreciate ugly-ass people..." you have lost it's meaning. What I meant was: Right now the pop charts are dominated almost exclusively by beautiful bands/singers. I can't remember a time when it was as bad as it is now. Physical beauty is so prized in pop that actresses who can barely sing: Jennifer Lopez, Jennifer Love Hewitt are releasing albums. This is why I appreciate singers who crack the pop charts but will never show up in the People Magazine Most Beautiful People issue. Further "...but when I saw them play, my disappointment left me frustrated and angry." What? A band you had never heard, didn't live up to the hype! Unbelievable!! This happens to me dozens of times each year...usually after shelling out some cash for their CD. Be happy that you found out you didn't like the band before you wasted any money. I am happy to say that I had already fell in love with Liz's songs (a friend taped it for me..so I didn't even have the benefit of looking at the album cover) prior to seeing a video or any photos -> this was in 93, so I didn't even have web access yet. She could have looked like Lita Ford, Kate Smith or Monica Lewinsky and I still would have been a fan. The honesty of the songs is a million times more important to me, than the personal style of the performer. There were quite a number of bands that I fell in love with for years before I had any clue what they looked like...before the web, the band had to make videos and most indy bands didn't bother. Some of my favorite bands back in the day: Violent Femmes, New Model Army, the Jam, Ramones, Clash -> I had to evaluate purely on the music as there were no videos to see or web pages to peruse. Ken - listening to Guided By Voices ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:12:21 -0700 (PDT) From: ShellBell Subject: Re: BtS one more time I think all this debate about built to spill is great. I think it's exactly what Doug wants. He wants to be judged by his music and doesn't want anyone who is idiotic enough to judge him on the fact that he's wearing a dirty shirt to be listening to his music anyway. Doug's music is WAY TOO FUCKING smart for someone like that. I have to disagree with keely though when he has Calvin is uglier than Doug. I actually think Calvin is pretty cute. in my humble opinion "Behold, the fool saith, 'Put not all thine eggs in the one basket'--which is but a manner of saying, 'Scatter your money and your attention'; but the wise man saith, 'Put all your eggs in the one basket and -WATCH THAT BASKET.'" --Pudd'nhead Wilson * Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:45:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig King Subject: Sheryl Crow >>Jan wrote: I can't stand Jewel, but the worst thing I've ever seen was a Sheryl Crow concert. I got dragged to one a couple years ago, and even though I got in free, I felt gypped out of two hours of my life by this Tom Petty wannabe. The most sickening spectacle to date, and I've seen GG Allin...<< I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this 100%. I just saw Sheryl Crow in concert last month and she put on a great show. Sheryl Crow is a great songwriter and performer, and she deserves all of the accolades that have been given to her. She is just as deep and passonate about her music as Liz is. I can't think of a better compliment for Sheryl than to be called a Tom Petty wannabe. They are both great songrwriters and musicians and deserve just as much respect as Liz does. Craig "AdRock" Phair Territory http://phairterritory.freeservers.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:45:26 -0700 From: "dana polachowski" Subject: going off thanks for your rebuttal, ray, but i'm still not seeing it. looks are NOT important in music. period. ok--they ARE to record companies, who are more interested in making "stars" and "dreamboats" and people to lust after....whatever. and i would argue that most of us who can look past a musician's appearance are NOT in the minority. maybe we're not a *vocal* majority (unless provoked), but still; it's more people than you think. this is not an intellectual exercise, either. it's a matter of knowing what's important and being able to put things in perspective. see, i don't expect my rock stars to dazzle me with their "look" or even "entertain" me by being really good stage animals. i hate that shit. i can't relate to that. i wanna see something different. i wanna THINK. i want a perspective that makes me think "wow. holy shit, i never thought of it like that...." and i'm savvy enough to appreciate good musicianship and THAT'S a huge factor for me, as it is for many others. again, for more people than you think. i'd be just fine with seeing liz perform on some show rooted to the floor in her jammies with curlers in her hair. who fucking cares? didn't you see her in her stage-fright days? it was painful for all concerned. but, you know, people hung in with her....now she's a force to be reckoned with onstage. but that's a *choice* she made; that's how she wants to be onstage now. maybe these guys want to be "quiet" and just play their stuff. what's the big deal? maybe jumping around with more "energy" would make them feel like big fucking fools. i keep wondering how many musicians over the years were either flat-out told or just felt like they'd never make it because they weren't good looking enough or "energetic" enough onstage. thank god neil young never listened to shit like that, but he started in the '60s when the MTV consciousness hadn't taken hold yet. and if he started in, say, 1985, i bet he'd stare stone-faced at anyone who said "you're not 'energetic and pretty enough' and then turn around and go write 'old man.'" and what does a musician's moral stance have to do with their appearance? and why should either of these things factor into my experience of their music? i'm still not seeing it, ray. these are not salient issues. you'll notice that throughout my post i've insisted on using the word "musician" rather than "performer." why? maybe because that's what's important. lassie was also a "performer." sorry, everyone, for the length.... dp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:01:41 -0400 From: Dan Subject: Liz cover songs. Hmm...songs I would most like to see Liz cover, I'll set this up as if it were a little EP of covers she was releasing..i'd have to go with: 1) "All About You" - Bangles. 2) "White Rabbit" -Jefferson Airplane 3) "I Need You" - Eurythmics (anyone who knows the SAVAGE album will know what I mean! The song kicks ass in a MAJOR MAJOR Liz Phair kinda way.) 4) "Fall On Me" -REM (The lyrics "buy the sky..sell the sky.." damn! I get pure chills just thinking of how AMAZING Liz would sound singing this song...DAMMIT! WHy Can't she do it!?) 5) "Shitlist" -L7 (this would be great as a little "suprise song" to do live. 6) "American Music" - Violent Femmes. That would be the closer to her amazing "COVER EP". God..now I'm pissed off I even made this list! I want this ep now! shit. Now I'm in a bad mood. Guess I'll go pop in Exile or something...man..when's her new album coming out? ANy dates yet? any cover songs? just kidding..i know it'll be a LOoooOOOOoooOOng time to start anticipating just yet...but, I can dream. No record company deadline, no matter how far back it may be, can take that away from me! filling the sandbox, Dan. (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)*(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) Fame and fortune took its toll, He's not the king of rock and roll anymore, He's just a junkie redneck. -LIZ PHAIR, "Elvis, Be True" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:50:20 -0400 From: Antony Yen Subject: winamp skins hey does anybody know of any liz winamp skins out there? i've found many for other artists, but can't seem to find any liz phair ones... yen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:58:30 -0400 From: u1030146 Subject: Liz Phairo liz phair ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 99 12:07:08 -0700 From: "Al" Subject: More Jewel similarities: Does she wish she was Liz or what? I came across a story of Jewel called "Pieces of a rare Jewel" written by someone named Sean Kage which can be found at this website: http://jewel.zoonation.com/articles/atmrevue.htm Anyone familiar with it? - ---Check out what she (Jewel) says about Liz: While touring is tough business it does have the fringe benefits of hotels, and free travel. Traveling with Liz Phair and Bob Dylan, (which she did at the beginning of her promotion of Pieces of You) could in no way be considered torture for any musician. When asked about Liz, Jewel says, "I love her, she's a killer." - ---Now check out the title of one of her songs During her Intersection concert Jewel tried out some of her new material, including a song titled "Never Trust Your Pink Fleshy Parts to a Carnivore." My question is when was Carnivore (a killer song) written by Liz? I don't know, but Jewel seems to get inspiration for some of her content in her music from Liz. Though, IMHO, she doesn't come anywhere close to having the talent that Liz does. Get down on it! Al ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:08:39 -0400 From: u1030146 Subject: Liz Phair and REM Does anyone remember hearing that Michael Stipe was going to do a few tracks with Liz on her then to be new album. (WCSE). ? I recall reading something about this in Rolling Stone magazine a few years back. Sorry If I sent this message in duplicate but SOMEONE bumped my arm and caused me to hit send when I just started to write. It's really hard to write email in this stupid lab. John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:13:34 -0400 From: "jw" Subject: stupid lists I was just reading the latest issue of Entertainment Weekly, which is dedicated to stupid rock 'n roll lists, centered around "The 100 Greatest Moments in Rock 'N Roll" (my personal favorite that was mentioned: "Lou Reed gets his first electroshock treatment." My favorite that wasn't mentioned: probably Elvis dying on the crapper.) Anyway, there was a list of "5 Essential Alternative Albums" or something like that, which was as follows: Sonic Youth:Daydream Nation The Replacements:Let It Be Husker Du:Zen Arcade and Liz Phair:Exile in Guyville Oh yeah, there were supposed to be five. My guess is that the other one was probably something by R.E.M., or maybe it was the Smiths. Yeah, I think it was The Smiths:The Queen is Dead, but I could be wrong about that. Or maybe it was Nevermind by Nirvana, but I think that may have been in a different list. Sorry folks, you'll have to go to the newstand and either buy your own issue or just stand there and read it like I did. Sincerely, Earle "Bubba" Morton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:16:25 -0500 From: "Joseph H. Weber" Subject: Uhhhh... OK Hey Jan: I can't believe you thought Sheryl Crow was more sickening than GG Allin. I mean opinions are opinions, but when you compare a person that defecates on stage to any artist, the latter wins in my book. Besides, I still resent GG Allin, not for his antics (although I think he is one sick bastard), but for being one of the causitive factors for closing the Odd Rock Cafe (or Cafe Voltaire) in Milwaukee. Although the place was a pit, it was one of the few places that you could catch international indie bands at consistently in this town. Sorry everyone, but I had to throw in my two cents. Later, Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 99 22:56:22 -0400 From: dbickin@ibm.net Subject: Nudity in Star Wars (ep 1) Hi, Just saw The Phantom Menace. There is a cute scene where C3PO is introduced to R2D2. C3PO is under construction. R2 squeaks, and C3PO says back, "What do you mean I'm naked?" More squeaks. "My parts are showing?! Oh dear." David - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- dbickin@ibm.net - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:02:23 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Women who Rock Here's an interesting article I got from the Sheryl Crow mailing list. Thought everyone might enjoy cuz Liz is quoted. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- VH1 marks women's impact By CARLA HAY Billboard NEW YORK (BPI) _ In celebration of women's contributions to popular music, VH1 will present ``The 100 Greatest Women Of Rock'N'Roll'' July 26-Aug. 1. The special is a countdown based on results of a survey conducted by VH1. According to the network, those who voted were female entertainers, writers, photographers, industry executives, and politicians. VH1 had a similar countdown last year with ``The 100 Greatest Artists Of Rock'N'Roll,'' as voted on by artists whose music is played on VH1. VH1 won't reveal where the artists are ranked on the ``100 Greatest Women Of Rock'N'Roll'' survey until the special is televised, but Billboard Magazine has learned that Aretha Franklin and Janis Joplin were ranked among the top three on the list. The list represents a diverse array of artists, ranging from veterans (Joni Mitchell, Bonnie Raitt, Madonna, Tina Turner) to such newer artists as Alanis Morissette, Erykah Badu, and Sheryl Crow. Various genres of contemporary music are represented, including R&B (Gladys Knight, Anita Baker, Patti LaBelle); jazz (Billie Holiday, Peggy Lee, Sarah Vaughan); country (Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris, Patsy Cline); hip-hop (Queen Latifah, Salt 'N Pepa); and the blues (Bessie Smith, Ruth Brown, Big Mama Thornton). One artist who made the list was Sarah McLachlan. McLachlan, the founder of the female-oriented Lilith Fair festival tour, says, ``The success of Lilith Fair was spawned by a number of female singer/songwriters who were very successful on their own. Putting these people together gave us a certain strength.'' Liz Phair, also on the list, agrees that the Lilith Fair (which has been co-sponsored by VH1 and on which Phair has been a performer) has had a huge impact for female artists. She says, ``diversity in female artists than there was 10 years ago. What's changed since, say, the days when Joni Mitchell first started, is that I think people are more interested in women as songwriters. Female performers are being taken more seriously.'' Phair, who calls herself a ``fierce feminist,'' adds, ``I think my first album [1993's ``Exile In Guyville''] hit at the right time. I've always been marginal, but it's heartening that people can relate to my music.'' Donna Summer, also on the list, has a longer view. ``I think that female artists have been coming into their own since the 1960s,'' she says. ``But now, women are making their own statements and taking more control of their careers, and I really respect that.'' Summer adds, ``One of my greatest frustrations was having people telling me what to say in my music. I grew up in the rock'n'roll era, and I was influenced by everything from Aretha Franklin to the Rolling Stones to theater to Bonnie Raitt to Joni Mitchell. I have no desire to do music that bores the living crap out of me. Whether or not the audience gets the music is not the issue. I won't make a certain kind record unless it's what I feel I'm about at the time.'' Summer's next album is ``VH1 Presents Donna Summer: Live & More-Encore!'' VH1 executive vice president of talent and music programming Wayne Isaak says, ``If you look at the last five years in music, there's no question that women have become more prominent. A ``best of' category focusing on women is often overlooked, and we wanted to recognize female artists who've made a difference in music.'' Voting took place last September and October. Since VH1 ensured confidentiality to the voters, the names of those who voted can not be revealed to the public. ``The 100 Greatest Women Of Rock'N'Roll'' will be hosted by actresses Julianna Margulies (''ER''), Courteney Cox (''Friends''), and Susan Sarandon, as well as actress/singer Jennifer Lopez and former Spice Girls member Geri Halliwell. First lady Hillary Rodham Clinton is also featured in the special, although VH1 says she did not vote in the survey. NOT THE USUAL SUSPECTS Some people may be surprised to learn that some artists regularly featured on VH1 such as Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Jewel, and Shania Twain _ did not make the final cut. Meanwhile, lesser-known artists like Kim Deal (the Pixies, the Breeders), Exene Cervenkova (X), and Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth) did. VH1 senior vice president of original programming and development Lauren Zalaznick comments on another artist who did not make the final cut: ``I think Lauryn Hill would've made it on the list, and she was very close to getting on the list, but her album [''The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill''] was released around the time voting was about to be closed. I think since then, her album has made such an impact that if voting were held now, she would probably be on the list.'' Zalaznick adds, ``I think this list represents the top 100 women who the voters felt had the biggest influence on music. It's not necessarily about the artists who've had the most hits. People like [ranked artists] Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart were out doing their thing before it was cool to be a woman in rock.'' Heart lead singer Ann Wilson says, ``Some things have changed in the music industry. There's a little more room for women. But some of the rules haven't changed: Women's images still have to be a certain way. Women have to portray what the industry considers palatable to the public. If you're an overweight female artist, the music industry will expect you to get a personal trainer to lose the weight.'' She adds, ``But I have to be optimistic when I see artists like Shawn Colvin and Lucinda Williams doing well, because they wouldn't have gotten as much recognition 10 years ago.'' On June 19, Ann and Nancy Wilson will embark on their first U.S. tour together without a band. Wilson adds, ``We're going to put out an [Ann and Nancy Wilson] album, but we're road-testing the songs first.'' Chaka Khan, another artist on the list, says, ``I think women have definitely made progress since when I started in the business. Joni Mitchell was certainly a pioneer in many ways. I think the progress has been made with women being able to make music independently and maintaining a lot of freedom of expression in their art.'' - --------------------------------------------------------------------- KL ();) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 99 23:06:45 -0400 From: dbickin@ibm.net Subject: DC PHFEST Meredith or anyone who went to the DC PHFest: How long did you guys wait. I got to the National Gallery steps at around 1:10, and you were nowhere to be found. Oh well. No big thing, it was my first time in DC so there was plenty to keep me occupied. So what did I miss? I learned that if you start playing Exile as the train pulls out of Philadelphia, Whipsmart will finish just before you pull into Washington DC. David - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- dbickin@ibm.net - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:48:06 -0700 From: "Jill Sutton" Subject: Re: Brad Wood on the radio Following up on one of Jase's reply's... It was me (Jill) that mentioned a Brad Wood interview on the radio at the lounge ax show. XRT, a Chicago radio station, does a talk show every tues. night w/ the rock critics from the Chicago Sun-Times and the Chicago Tribune covering various music topics. at some point back in Jan?? or early Feb.?? they did a show on record production and invited Brad wood to the show to talk. I think one of the Was brothers, David maybe?? also called in from LA to give some feedback. Anyway, they talked to Brad about various projects he had worked on here in Chicago. At the time he said he was just finishing up Verbow's latest record. There was a bit of a discussion going on about how he might define his "sound" on an album and he talked about drums a bit. He mentioned that he had talked to billy corgan about working w/ him maybe on a Pumpkins album, but that didn't work out and that Billy likes to have a lot of control, but there didn't seem to be much hard feelings. They also discussed Steve Albini a bit. so the Liz portion was pretty much as Jase recalled it. He talked about working w/ her and how she came to him and asked which label to go with. Then they played Mesmerizing on the radio. when it ended Brad was laughing and said he wished they would have chosen another track to play because his drumming was a little off on that one adding that he was somewhat messed up during the recording... but then later went on to say he was the most sober one in the room. he also mentioned, which probably many of you know, that the growling sound at the end of Mesmerizing is Casey's dog Pig. ... so that is all I really recall from this interview. did anyone else in Chicago hear this too?? Craig.... or anyone else that may know, have you heard any more on the rumor that Liz might sing at a Cubs game??? Being a big Cubs fan, and living 2 miles from Wrigley Field, I would gladly call in sick to work to catch this game!! that's all from me, - Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 23:47:13 -0400 From: "Jacquicee@msn.com" Subject: More Built to Spill Fallout I had to just jump in quick on these Built to Spill comments even though I usually don't get involved in arguments of personel taste. You say the majority of people judge music by a performers looks, not their music? You envy people who do? What planet are you from? I could never EVER like somebodys music because of their looks. If that was the case I would only like female performers. I mean looks are a definite bonus, but who cares if the music sucks. I mean there are alot more great looking country singers in the last 5 years, but I'm not running out buying tons of C&W. You actually felt cheated and frustrated because they didn't live up to some preconceived mental picture you had? And then to top it off you tie Magic Johnson and Bill Cosby to the KKK and child abuse. I suppose you like those singing monks. Lastly you signal the guy from Def Leppard as a great drummer? The guy with 1 arm! Give me a break. Bill in CT P.S. Sheryl Crow worse than G.G. Allin(ouch) NP Mary Margaret O'Hara_Miss America ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:36:18 PDT From: "robert joyner" Subject: enough Just a commentary on the recent i hate jewel, built to spill, sheryl crow, alanis angles. What is accomplished by slagging other artists on the list? They say opinions are kinda like a certain part of the human anatomy and that is what most people look like when they post stuff like that. Accept that a certain artist is not your cup of tea and then get over it! No need posting it to the list and wasting the time of about 900 other people. As much as i may dislike a singer, i recognize that just because they don't do anything for me doesn't mean they are totally devoid of signifcance for anyone. To each his own. I don't really care one way or another about these artists (jewel, built to spill, sheryl crow, alanis) but they wouldn't inspire me to post to the list and rip them to shreds if i didn't like them. I respect the fact that musical tastes vary, it would be great if everybody did. I know, I know some people will say that this list is meant for free speech but stuff like this is merely diarhea of the keyboard, devoid of any serious content. Robert "Remember that name, you'll be screaming it later" Joyner _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #153 ************************************