From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #147 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, May 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 147 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: support-system-digest V2 #146 [Dennis Junkoo Kim ] PM [tommyk7@excite.com] it's a fruity taste sensation [Grlapaluza@aol.com] i am disappearing again [Ascending to the Stars ] liz's smoking [Andy Peters ] Re: Liz Book ["Kristin Arnold" ] An English fan writes ["David Muirhead" ] Liz Phair on WFUV New York? [Jeanne F Swadosh ] kit katnip [jan gyn ] singing liz in the car [sandra ] ? 4 jase / new Liz song! ["DarkSide oftheMoon" ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #146 [Seth ] non-Liz ["Nicole W." ] Nice Pic Ken... Got More? ["Jaime" ] concert recording -- late april ["overpavement" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #146 On Thu, 20 May 1999, support-system-digest wrote: > Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 02:28:43 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Nicole W." > Subject: stiffie? > > http://www.geocities.com/~kenmlee/page450.html > I hope this is just a crease in his shorts. Someone else take a look > please at this picture. > Ken... I'm ashamed at the amount of porn on your website. > Thanks. > - -Nicole > Quite a keen eye ya have on yers deah, Nickie. I had ta turn me brightness up ta 80 ta see what alls yers talkin bout. For David Mead's sake, I hope that's a crease. It's more like a baby's finger than an arm. Then again, he is rubbing asses with Liz "M.I.L.F." Phair. You're welcome. - --- "A'nta baka?" -Asuka d. www4.ncsu.edu/~djkim2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 02:00:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Junkoo Kim Subject: Re: Stiffie spotters This reminds me of a story. When i was UGRSing at Stanford over the summer, one of the guys who lived down the hall in our house (on Mayfield) commented on this sculpture on campus. The sculpture has two men talking to each other, one has his arm around the other guy, and the other guy has a noticeable "bulge." (The other part is two women sitting on a park bench talking to each other, one with a hand on the other's thigh) Anyway, so the guy down the hall (total hippie) noticed the bulge and had this to say: "Yo dude! I know eggzaktully what arm-dude is sayin' to the other-guy with the telltale-bulge like in his pants you know? He's sayin' 'You realize, don't you, dear life-partner of mine, that I'm on top tonight. Whee!' and the other guy, you can tell by the eggzapuhreshun on his face, that he is a-sayin' 'Hunny-cheeks! You are making me uncomfortable broaching this particular subject in public like you are doing, if you know what i am saying.'" and hilarity ensued. I like stanford. They have a William H. Gates computer science building with a touch-screen kiosk running Red-Hat Linux in the lobby. And there are not lame Christian-evangelical groups rampant on campus. - --- "A'nta baka?" -Asuka d. www4.ncsu.edu/~djkim2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:41:40 PDT From: tommyk7@excite.com Subject: PM Saw Phantom Menace. Like marpusal, I liked it. LIKED? Are you kidding? It was fucking PHENOMENAL! Sure, we waited for well over an hour to see a 12:15 show...uh, that's 12:15 AM. But we got CHOICE seats - that was key. To all the critics - you either love the Star Wars story and the movies or you have to nitpick at everything that doesn't please you - except Katie in FL - her working in a theater at this time coupled with Liz never coming to her home state would prob. drive me nuts too... Anyway, see the film. You know you're missing out if you haven't seen a dual-bladed light-saber... TMK NP: That "Whoo-Hoo!" song on the radio - Blur? _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:36:35 EDT From: Grlapaluza@aol.com Subject: it's a fruity taste sensation hmmm....i had a thought: it would be really funny if liz put out an album of totally NOT-liz covers; i.e., songs you normally wouldn't catch yourself thinking that liz phair would cover, like "who are the people in your neighborhood" (you know, the sesame street song) or "hits from the bong" (although...eh...i could see liz covering that, seeing that she reportedly likes to kick back with herbal refreshment that is decidedly NOT of a celestial seasonings nature). maybe "thank god i'm a country boy," or something from the kathie lee gifford christmas album (wait. does she even have a christmas album?...oh, well, i'm sure she does, although there probably wouldn't be any original songs on it except for "I Love Christmas with Cody (and that stupid brat Cassidy)"). come, come, tell of the totally unlikely songs you feel liz should cover! also....my little sissy was mistaken for liz phair the other day. she was totally not impressed, seeing that she has no idea who liz phair is (i get a call from her the other day and she said, "alice, you're the one who listens to weird music...who the hell is liz phair?") sigh. (and what i want to know is, why would anyone think that liz phair would be hanging out in fort stewart, ga. anyway?) gotta go to work. blech. xxxooo, alice ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:21:26 +0000 From: Ascending to the Stars Subject: i am disappearing again hey all you lovely people... alas, i am disappearing again. i am leaving tomorrow morning to travel again (i know , poor little me) this time i am going to provence-- avignon, arles, and aix-en-provence, and then slazburg, vienna, and back to paris. so anyways, i won't be posting, alhtough i guess i will stay subscribed, and skim when i get a chance. so stay out of trouble while i'm away! tootles! (:ruthie:), off to plan her wine tasting adventures ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:11:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Peters Subject: liz's smoking yes, i believe we can firmly confirm that liz has definitely smoked pot in the past, and may still. and i also like the way she's pretty stoic about it. she doesn't go around making a big deal about it. i don't think she's played any great pot festival music shows, for example. i'm still not convinced we have proof she's smoked cigarettes, though, especially in light of the widely dispersed quote about forbidding her husband to smoke around her baby. in "fuck and run" she says "it's true that i stole your lighter." but then you get into whether she's talking about herself, or if she's speaking through the voice of a fictional/semiautobiographical character she's created. i think we need more proof. and of course a lighter could be used for pot. i'm also still wondering about liz's eating habits and her politics. i suspect she's not a vegetarian (although she plays lillith fair, where i bet more of the performers are vegetarians that aren't), and i also have a feeling that liz may be a tad on the conservative/Republican side. believe me, this is not wishful thinking, as I'm a lifelong yellow-dog Democrat. But I've just got a hunch. The only thing I'm basing it on, though, is that she drives an SUV and lives in an upscale section of Chicago (Lincoln Park). (funny how interviews with Liz rarely, if ever, touch on stuff like this. I guess it's because her lyrics and the ideas they present are so interesting, that that always becomes the main theme of articles about her.) Andy _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:50:29 -0500 From: "Kristin Arnold" Subject: Re: Liz Book To Whomever asked about the Liz Phair book...It is called: "The Last Rock Star or: Liz Phar a Rant" by Camden Joy and if you go to amazon.com and type in Liz Phair for a search it will pull the book up. Just so you know it really isn't "about" Liz - the reviews explain what the book is actually about if you are interested. Just wanted to help out as I am sure there will be 100 other posts about this too... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:43:58 PDT From: "David Muirhead" Subject: An English fan writes Hello, I've only recently joined the support-system and this is my first message. Its great to read from so many Liz fans as I live in England and I don't know many people that have even heard any Liz material. I am interested in all this talk of bootlegs as I have never seen anything like that here. I would love a copy of the legendary Girlysounds and if anyone could help me would they email me or if anyone has any information on Angie Heaton or her band (loquorice?) I would be grateful. or if anyone is interested in PJHarvey (I have some rare stuff) let me know, Cheers, David ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:09:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeanne F Swadosh Subject: Liz Phair on WFUV New York? I am new to the list so perhaps this matter was already discussed. If so, I am apologizing in advance. A few months ago, Liz performed some live stuff for a radio station in New York. I am almost positive it was 90.7 WFUV. Anyhow, I was prepared to record it but I fell asleep and woke up just as the DJ was thanking Liz for coming out to the studio. Does anyhow out there have this recording? Sorry I don't have a lot to go on. Jeanne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 10:28:50 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: kit katnip >>she's huge fan of Jewel. > Ugh. Rush her to the emergency room! I think she needs a cat-scan. >~Jaime* A cat scan of Liz would reveal Cat Power; Liz's ghost. A must hear CD is that new Atari Teenage Riot, "Sixty Second Wipeout". Hanin Elias, Nic Endo, guest Kathleen Hanna- these are the true angels in hardcore heaven. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: sandra Subject: singing liz in the car hey Jaime I spend a lot of time in Portland... was there this past weekend in fact ... and I know what you mean about that radio station ... ugh ... I also agree with you, Flower was and still is the most priceless part of all three Liz shows I saw this month, one of which was at Lupo’s ... I still can’t get over the way she sang it ... not said it, SANG it ... my favorite thing to do these days to pass the time when I’m driving--the radio is broken, dammit--is sing Flower *just like Liz did* (or as close as I can get in my weak voice). Gotta get that thing fixed ... Yeah, I’m a little crazy, but the only ones that know it are the people stuck in traffic with me, and they’re probably doing weirder things than singing Liz Phair songs. and I hope her voice doesn't get *much* better, or I won't be able to do this anymore ... : P sandra NP: Built to Spill, Keep it Like a Secret _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:00:31 PDT From: "DarkSide oftheMoon" Subject: ? 4 jase / new Liz song! Jase wrote: >She likely only gave them copies of the tapes to protect her >publishing rights for that material, since a lot of those songs have >been >rerecorded for official releases, and some of those versions >themselves >were obviously released on the _Juvenilia_ EP. Jase, maybe you can help with this question...I know WHY artists put out EPs. But what is the story behind Juvenilia? Was it released just as a "filler" album between LPs or as a contractual thing or as a at-the-moment-money-maker? And who picked the songs for it..was it Liz or some schmuck in a suit and tie? >There are about 925 subscribers to this list right now I was just curious how 'accurate' this figure is. I know that it is an accurate figure from whatever info you are looking at. I mean in the sense of actual people 'out there' who give a hoot. If someone signs up from a valid e-mail address, I assume they stay a subscriber until they either unsub or you unsub them or the e-mail address becomes invalid right? Although it seems a few people creep out of lurker-land each week, I wonder if 925 people are actually reading (and enjoying it as much as I) this list everyday. It seems we have a core of about, what.. 30 people who do most of the posting? Not that that is a problem, hell I'm glad to be able to rant with my fellow Liz lovers and I for one would be lost without it. (So much for feelin better than those dress up like star wars get a life people, heck, I'm hooked on Support System!!!) alice, the perky young newt wrote: >i also wanted to ask: does anyone remember the name of that book with >liz >phair in the title? by cameron somebody? i've been trying to find >it, to >no avail; can anyone give me a heads up on where it might be >found? First off welcome... The last rock star; or Liz Phair a Rant, by Camden Joy Good luck finding it in person. I tried Borders and they didnt have it but I think Amazon.com does. Josh wrote: >Geez, All I got was a lousy drumstick >That reminds me, I had it signed by a few people Thats cool! But how does one go about signing a drum stick? First off its small (unless they are using Cheech & Chong size) and it rolls when you try to sign it. I can see maybe one sig on there, but 3 or 4? And of course i have to pick on Nicole who bitched: >Ken... I'm ashamed at the amount of porn on your website. >Thanks. - -Nicole Is there too much or too little? Besides that...why are you staring at Ken's crotch in the first place? Steve/Edward Kisko (which is it, Steve or Edward)? confessed: >FYI: Anyone who sees the photo of me & Liz at Ken's site and thinks >"Good lord! Look at the gums on that guy," let me assure you, I don't >really look *that* awful in real life... ;) Actually, Liz is writing a new song about that very picture Steve, it's called.......Gumshy **Leaving quickly b4 the ripe tomatoes fly** _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:19:10 -0400 From: Seth Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #146 > From: Grlapaluza@aol.com > > i also wanted to ask: does anyone remember the name of that book with liz > phair in the title? by cameron somebody? i've been trying to find it, to no > avail; can anyone give me a heads up on where it might be found? Hello, I got the book: The Last Great Rock Star Book (I think) book from my local library. The other part of the title is: or Liz Phair, a rant. I am not very far through this book my Camden Joy, but it is okay. The guy (I hope) was called to make a biography of Liz Phair really fast. He knew nothing about her actually, so her is recording his thoughts over the week while he tries to find out about her, recounts his childhood, and his last girlfriend. It is very jumpy, and it is very hard to understand at times (I think). But he has given some okay information. It is basically just funny to read. Later, Seth ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:48:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: non-Liz Ummm... still haven't seen the new Star Wars (I say "still"... it's only been out for like a day), but one thing that I must thank George Lucas for, in a sort of tongue-in-cheek way, is the merchandising. Okay it's probably truly a bad thing in all ways, but today I got this "Obi-Wan" calendar, which means a calendar with Ewan McGregor for 18 months. it's a mini-calendar. I mean it's not like wall size. But it's 18 mos of Ewan!!! Not naked. sigh. :) Just kidding. I mean he'[s not naked, but I'm not complaning. I havent' actually opened the calendar yet. I can't decide if i want to surprise myself. Oh Suzanne... I'm looking @ your concert pics right now... they turned out pretty well. Hmm... I really don't have any Liz content. But I have more Ewan co ntent!!! I have to read this stuff for hte classes I'm takin in England this summer, adn one of the books I have to read is "Trainspotting," and of course, the cover of the book is the movie poster thing. So it has Mr. McGregor. :) Hmm. Later, Nicole * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Please mark my e-mail address as nweisber@umich.edu from now on, even though I am obviously writing from my Tufts e-mail addy. I'm kind of attached to the Tufts address, and I'm finding it hard to stop using it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:18:12 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: Nice Pic Ken... Got More? Last night I was watching Drew Carrey, and I realized that "Kate" looks alot like Liz... except without the blonde hair... and you have to re-arrange her face a little, but same body and frame ... Anyone else ever notice their likeness ? Well. That's about all I had to say... Working on a Liz site. Oh, and Nicole... I saw the picture of Ken! -- And Ken--- I'm laughing -with- you, I swear! :) bye :) *giggles* ~jaime* - -<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>- "I only get high about twice a day, It helps to keep my blues away..." --Bran Van 3000 -<<>>- "Downer Surrealism." - --Frank Zappa, on Steely Dan - -<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>-<<>>- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:36:55 -0400 From: "overpavement" Subject: concert recording -- late april All: I have a digital recording of Liz's 930 club show. I'm willing to send it around free, but there is a catch: I'm only sending it in mini-disc format. It's more trouble than it's worth, to me, to make cassette copies, and I don't have a CDR. The original source is an digital stereo (i don't want to get too specific about it), and I'll dub off additional MD's (although, to be honest, the signal will go through an analog translation between MD's, because I can't direct-digitally dub a self-made MD onto another one, and I'm not sure if I could copy it digitally to a CDR, either). Aaanyway, I'll send out a free copy to the first 5 people who email me; I'll cover postage, etc., which will be cheaper in MD format, as well. The quality is 'B-' to 'B'. By my rating, only a soundboard line recording would warrant an 'A', and a 'B+' would only go to an incredibly clean microphone-in-the-crowd recording. In this case, the mic was front-and-center in the balcony, just above the mixing board, and there was no one in front of it, so the sound was very good. There are definite lapses, though: - - at 2 points the mic goes off and on, making sure in the dark that it was on and recording. The empty spots are no more than 1 second each. One of them occurs in the quiet instrumental part of 'Johnny Feelgood', right before the last verse, and the other time is during some applause and is inconsequential. Lesson: don't drink too much if you're booting a show. - - there is some ambient crowd noise: there are a couple of places where you can hear people talking, but it's not too bad (you would know from this disc, for example, that Liz was going to play Baltimore the following week, as an audience member shouted to his neighbor...) - - at the VERY end, and I mean the VERY end, the disc ran out of time. It holds 75 minutes, and at the end of Divorce Song, when the drummer has led the band into a frantic beat to close out the show, the disc runs out just before the final bash of the guitars and cymbals. Sorry, it was just timed wrong by about 20 or 30 seconds. - - There's no distortion on the recording, but it IS bottom-heavy, so the bass and drums are mixed more up-front than you might prefer. On the other hand, it's very true to the sound mix in the club itself. And on the quieter songs and between-song talking, there's no problem at all. I think I'm making more of these flaws than I need to, but I want to be up-front about them. On the other hand, hey, I'm giving the damn things away, so who's to complain? Even with these flaws, it's still a really good recording. So, send me an emailID IF you want a mini-disc copy. The first 5 I'll send out free. If you have something to trade, that's great, but it still doesn't mean I'm going to make a cassette copy for anyone. Cassettes suck, frankly. MD's aren't perfect, but they're so small, so inexpensive, so much better-sounding, and they're so cheap to mail that I don't see myself breaking down and dubbing off a cassette. People who get the MD are free to make cassettes and distribute that way (just don't claim credit for the original recording...) The only items I'd REALLY want in trade are: - - the roseland ballroom show in nyc in october - - the lounge ax show - - latter-day vhs or DV video collection w/poly-bride, rocketboy, and last 120min's appearance, plus much music interview, and sessions @ w54 So, send me a note if you're interested, and i'll let you know if you're one of the first five. Approximate set-list (not much different from the other stops on the tour, but does include a nice, sloppy version of 'may queen', plus 'go on ahead', and 'support system', which weren't played every night): chopsticks f'n'r johnny feelgood mesmerizing cinco de mayo flower firewalker never said 6'1" glory go on ahead uncle alvarez don't apologize may queen polyester bride supernova wcse perfect world support system stratford-on-guy divorce song over. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #147 ************************************