From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #139 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, May 13 1999 Volume 02 : Number 139 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Bounced message [Jason Long ] Ebay [TADude9999@aol.com] Confused returnee [jgay@nhpri.org] Liz at Binghamton. [o0lqc@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu] la dee da [Ascending to the Stars ] liz posters / ebay ["Paul Erickson" ] ugh. ["Nicole W." ] finito ["Nicole W." ] Another post! No way! ["Nicole W." ] set lists [Antony Yen ] Re: Tape request ["Kristin Arnold" ] Tentative LIZ PHFEST DC Info [Meredith Robbins ] i need to find somebody [Stacey ] webpage and other random stuff [raymond lew ] Random notes [Jason Long ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 05:48:55 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "john c" Subject: selling live cds is evil i generally lurk this list but have something to say. i was checkin out ebay the other day and also saw all the liz discs for sale. i was a little outraged. i also tape shows and make cds, but not for profit. there are enough good people out here who will make you copies of tapes or cds. i followed the dead for years and really dig taping concerts, covertly or otherwise. i realize that making cds is a time consuming task. the real problem is the damage that can be done by selling your work. great you are makin 15 bucks on your disc but if we piss off the right or wrong people there will be added scrutiny at liz shows as far as securtiy goes. i have seen it before. aside from violating a few trade laws and swiping some of liz' intellectual material it just stinks. so as a counter measure i will give away 5 cdrs of a very recent concert to the first five emailers who respond. i will pay for disc and postage. it will cost you nothing. you just need to promise me, us, that you will not buy a live performance cd, i don't like to call them bootlegs. pretty easy deal. peas john the above is my opinion and experience only, no harm was meant by it. peace katie's wcseggcellent also for those of you who i trade or am going to trade with, my cdr is up and spinning again. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:19:07 EDT From: TADude9999@aol.com Subject: Ebay Although I did bid on this item,I did not win. Like Charles Lewis I'd rather have anything I own on CD,not tape and although even I think I'm crazy for bidding high on this particular item I don't see anything wrong with anyone doing this. I happen to like collecting original boots,which as we all know are hard to come by. And how(please tell me) am I hurting Liz by doing this. If I'm hurting her then we've all hurt her by every little boot that we've gotten over the years. Ask anyone who has gotten a tape from me that I charge only the actual cost of the tape and postage ,no profit for me. So I'm actually spreading Liz material that I've gotten for free, and in many cases keeping it out of the hands of people who will one day sell it for an even higher profit. To date I've made at least 80+ tapes for people of some great boots that they might never have heard otherwise ,and I've required no money be sent until these people actually receive their tape. So unless I'm missing the point ,let me know if you all think I'm doing anything wrong by buying a few original boots on Ebay for my own personal collection,which will stay in my hands forever and probably be burried with me when I die. One day soon when I get a CD burner I'll happily make CD-r's for the people who want them, of everything I have. By the way the Secretly Timid CD sold for $157.00 not $140.00 on Ebay I'm open to suggestions TAD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 08:41:55 -0400 From: jgay@nhpri.org Subject: Confused returnee Hi all After a few months without email, I am back. have to say I love the banter on this list, better than most of the other I have belonged to in the past. Say, I think about 6 months ago, I sent someone a few dollars (3, 5, I cant remember) so he could buy some kind of demo tape or something, and then would send it out to all of us. Sketchy memory, I know, but does anyone know what I am talking about. And what ever happened to that? Thanks for the help Jeff :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:21:02 EDT From: o0lqc@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu Subject: Liz at Binghamton. Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 09:21:00 +0200 (IST) From: Andrea Steiner Subject: Liz at Binghamton. To: support-system@smoe.org In-Reply-To: <199905112021.QAA26303@smoe.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I heard that Liz Phair played at Binghamton U.--in a FREE show! I am pissed about this for two reasons and so is my best friend: she goes to Binghamton, but was studying abroad in Europe this semester. So she couldn't see Liz and I couldn't go up there to see Liz, either. And it was a free concert! How annoyingly stupid is that?! Meanwhile, the other day, my 17 year old brother was trying to pick out the chords of Cinco de Mayo on his guitar. I told him that it didn't sound anything like the real song and that he should just borrow my CD and figure it out. Does anyone know the chords to Cinco de Mayo, so I can put my brother out of his misery and then actually be able to sing along when he plays? *<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>* "I've got to tear my life apart and go west, young man." --Liz Phair *<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:32:18 +0000 From: Ascending to the Stars Subject: la dee da yo yo yo! okay, 3 exams done, one to 1. sadly, i'm not in scotland, cause i decided i didnt' have enough money. so i went shopping instead but i really like what i bought... anyways.... thanks for the nytimes article jase. very informative, very distressing. just to reiterate, major labels suck ass. thank you. bill, did i know we had the same birthday, or were you keeping that a secret? right now i'm seriously wishing it was a year earlier, so i wouldn't have to go thru public alcohol withdrawal when i get back. speaking of, anyone know how to make a decent fake id? i have full permision from mommy and daddy to get one.... (i really do!) um.. not much going on here. i should have gone to see ron sexsmith the other night, but it was too expensive, and i thought my friends and i were going out, but they just wanted to go to this awful terribly annoying overpriced "pub" near our flat. why do my friends have such bad tastes in music/clubs? ARG!!! oh, could whoever said they were willing to make cd copies of pottymouth girl please email me!! i'm interested, and have other cd-r stuff to trade, as well as a plethora of tapes. oh, and calling on all my really cool friends on this list to have a tape with the 3 new liz songs (firewalker, dont' apologize, and conversation...) waiting for me when i get back. i will be forever indebted! okay, now i have to decide which art gallery to go to now... went to the tate yesterday (of course, the post-impressionist and modern stuff was being changed... grrrrr...) i just saw the kandinsky watercolors exibit at the royal academy (Really cool! but of course they didnt' have prints or postcards of any of my favourites...) i think i will go the national portrait gallery. i dont have the energy to work thru the national gallery or the V&A. later folks... tootles! (:ruthie:) wahhh! my sig has disappeared again! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:48:59 PDT From: "Paul Erickson" Subject: liz posters / ebay ***** Liz Posters? >Does anyone know where I can find Liz merchandise on the web, i.e. posters. > I >am sure I am just dreaming since I know they are in high demand (especially >among this group), but I thought I'd ask. I second that request. I would love one of the posters of her looking all sexy (supposedly being used for CK ads). Please let my know a website or some other place I can order one. ***** As far as ebay is concerned . . . . (and girlysound) Basically I'm a big fan of ebay. I've been able to sell stuff that otherwise would have been too much of a hassle to deal with, and I've been able to get some Liz stuff that I haven't been able to find any other way. I got a copy of Fuck and Run bootleg for less than $25. That said it is obviously ridiculous if people are buying copies of Secretly Timid for over $100. I found a guy who made me a CD-R and included color copies of the artwork for about $20 or $25, which I think is a great deal for something I couldn't find anywhere else at the time and I just had to hear what the girlysound material was all about. Now I'm in the process of getting the 2-disc set of girlysound material from the Bliss and Fetish people which I think is the way to go instead of trading tapes amongst one another. I've been waiting six weeks but I trust that they will eventually come through for me. Has anyone else on the list got their girlysound discs from these guys? I don't mind posting web addresses for people who are selling CD-Rs of liz demos and live bootlegs, but I'm not going to give up this information if people from the list are going to get all over these guys. Personally, I think these people are filling an important service. I think it is totaly reasonable for people to pay $20-$25 for a CD-R of something you can't find anywhere else. It's a bargain considering the time it takes to burn the CD. Especially when the person includes color artwork and everything. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 11:06:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: ugh. I hate it when I think someone has pirated something off my website, but I'm not going to mention what and whom, because that will get me into trouble, and that will get people started on "well you put it on the internet, it's anybody's now..." but they could have at least credited me or asked!!!!! AUGH! Bye. - -Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 12:45:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: finito Ahhh... the smell of being done with finals... I just remembered something, and I wanted to post about it. When I was at the WPI show, Liz tried to toss me a guitar pick, but I can't catch, so I didn't get one. Then Janet was like "make sure this girl gets something" (this girl being me), but I didn't get anything, but then some dude tearing up the stage was like "you want Liz's water bottle?" and I was like "No." I don't know how weird people think I am for not taking it, but I really thought it would be weird to take it. I mean, it was a plastic Poland Springs water container. That Liz drank out of. I mean, I feel like it's a little obsessive and stalker-ish to take something like that. A guitar pick is... a little less... psycho. I mean, Liz plays guitar, and this is a pick she used.. it's like a souvenir. But her water bottle? That's like keeping her toilet paper or something. I can't convey what I'm trying to say... does anyone follow me? You all probably think I'm being hypocritical or something... like "what's teh difference between a water bottle and a pick?" But they are fundamentally different, I just can't put that fundamental difference into words at the moment, so I'm goign to go down to the post office and pick up something that was express mailed to me a week ago and I just got teh notice for it yesterday. FUckers. I want my mom's money back. Later, Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 14:24:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: Another post! No way! In response to whomever was asking what a good summer song was... and I don't remember if it was restricted to wcse, but I'll pretend it is. The very very obvious choice is What Makes You Happy. "I Feel the sun on my back, i smell the earth in my skin... i see the sky above me like a full recovery..." Every time I hear this line, I picture myself in a convertible car, standing up, arms outstretched, on a sunny hot day, but of course the breeze is blowing cuz you're driving in a convertible car. I mean I really actually picture myself in this situation. The line, the way its' sung, the words, they just take me there, ya know? Okay I sound so ultra cheezy. I'm goign to go. By the way, in order to decrease cognitive dissonance, i must say that it's okay that i posted thrice already today because I havne't posted in a few days, and even when i did, it was a short insignificant post. So i'm overdue. Later, Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:15:30 -0400 From: Antony Yen Subject: set lists does anybody out there happen to have the set lists for liz's show at the avalon in boston that was in early october of last year and the state college show? yen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:00:22 -0500 From: "Kristin Arnold" Subject: Re: Tape request I just wanted to say thank you so much to all of you who emailed me and offered to copy tapes for me - I appreciate it so much! I have to say that the ebay thing seems a little out of hand and I solemnly swear not to sell these tapes on ebay (though I have bid on a poster or two...). Thanks again for being so generous - Liz has great fans! - - Kristin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 99 05:12:14 -0400 From: Meredith Robbins Subject: Tentative LIZ PHFEST DC Info What say we set the start time for the May 22 Liz PhFest for... 1 p.m.? Does that work for people? N.B.: This time is utterly, totally negotiable at this point--if it doesn't work for you, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE e-mail me as soon as possible (as in, like, right now) and tell me when a better time would be. This is important. Don't put it off. Location, location, location... This is trickier. The Mall is a big place. First off, for the out-of-towners and people who just don't know their city very well, a National Mall overview. The National Mall is in Northwest DC; it is a great big grassy rectangle bounded by Constitution Ave. to the north, Independence Ave. to the south, the Washington Monument (or thereabouts--I think the Lincoln Memorial is actually the boundary, but that's not the area we're concerned with) to the west, and the Capitol to the east. If you take the Orange subway line to the Smithsonian station, you will be right smack dab in the middle of the Mall. Arrayed around the Mall are the various museums that make up the Smithsonian Institution (Natural History, American History, Air & Space, the National Gallery [is this really part of the Smithsonian?], African Art, etc., etc.) Across the Ellipse, you will find the White House. If you're driving in, I'm afraid I won't be very much help to you, as I always take the subway--I can do inside the city or outside the city, but directions across the river are not my forte. Quite frankly, parking around the Mall is hellish on a Saturday afternoon in May, and I highly recommend you take the subway if at all possible. As to a specific place to meet--how does the steps of the West Building of the National Gallery sound to people? It's a bit far from the Smithsonian stop, but it's the only building I can think of that has steps to sit and wait on. Hopefully they won't be too crowded! If you can think of a better place, again, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE e-mail me ASAP! A very basic map of the Mall that includes landmarks and museums can be found at http://www.si.edu/activity/planvis/mallmap.htm. If you need more info, please e-mail me or post your questions to the list (although I assume the list would prefer you e-mail me personally!) Thanks--hope to see you all there! Meredith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ "On rocky islands, gulls woke." --Esther Forbes, "Johnny Tremain" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 13:22:22 +1000 From: Stacey Subject: i need to find somebody I'm wondering if anyone can help me....Ken Lee if you're out there can you please email me. If you don't see this mate, can somebody please email me his address so I can get in contact with him? Thanks a lot. ~Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:01:21 -0700 (PDT) From: raymond lew Subject: webpage and other random stuff hey everyone, i don't think anyone ever vists my webpage, so i changed it around a bit. i've tried to link alot of sites together and group them so that you'll know which sites have tabs, which have chat rooms, polls, blah blah blah. i don't know. i think it might work. guess we'll see. if i don't sound all too chipper, it's because i'm going home in one day...no, not that. the thing is that my computer at home is BROKEN! i'm gonna lose all contact to this imaginary world and have to start communicating with people on a first person basis. perish the thought! any-hoo, i've been frantically trying to throw together the webpage so i don't have junk sitting up there for three months. oh yeah, random note: liz born on april 17, 1967. kurt born on february 20, 1967. liz and led zeppelin: lyrics from stairway "it's just a spring clean for the may queen" may queen! is this intentional on liz' part? 'cause she also has that "when the levee breaks" (i think that's the song) thing at the end of jealousy. summertime, gotta get a job, ...ray **************************************************************************** "I'm a wreck, I'm obsessed, I'm insane. Isn't that what you want me to say?" --Liz Phair the writings on the wall - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/ beginning to see the light - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/liz_phair/ **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:21:24 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Random notes Hey everyone, While I have no way of confirming this news, I recently received an email which stated that Liz's next album will be produced by Buddy Judge. The person who sent it did sound like they were "in the know", but at the same time, the email was not signed and I have no clue as to the sender's identity. Is there anyone else out there who has heard anything about this and can share more details? While I really would like to see Liz record some new material with Brad Wood, she and Buddy do seem very comfortable working together and it appears they get along really well. Also, having finally heard "Don't Apologize" and "Firewalker" (thanks KB -- you rule!), I have to say that I am quite impressed with the new songs. "Don't Apologize" is the one that stands out the most, in my opinion, and I really hope it will be on the new record. "Firewalker" took a few listens to really connect with me, but I do like it a lot as well. My ideal for the new album would be for Liz to alternate rocking songs like "Don't Apologize" with dark, moodier ones such as "Conversation Overheard Between Two Bouncers". For all of those who have enjoyed Buddy Judge's guitar playing during Liz's shows over the past several months, you might want to do yourself a favor and check out Aimee Mann's album _Whatever_, on which he contributes to over half the tracks. Incidentally, Aimee is an excellent songwriter; I consider her and Liz to be in the same league. Aimee has professed herself a fan of Liz's work in several interviews and has said that Liz was one of her main influences while working on her second solo album, _I'm With Stupid_. Since I know there are quite a few fans of Jen Trynin on the list, I thought I would mention that a previously unreleased song of hers entitled "Sad Girl" can be found on a benefit compilation entitled _Respond_ that was released earlier this year. I believe I heard somewhere that "Sad Girl" is an outtake from _Gun Shy Trigger Happy_, but I could be wrong. The compilation consists of all Boston-based female singer/songwriters, and while I'm not sure how hard it may be to find, it is available through , which is where I've ordered my copy from. Two other artists that I've seen mentioned frequently on this list in the past, Juliana Hatfield and Mary Lou Lord, also contributed to the album; Juliana's song is entitled "Running Out", while Mary Lou's song is "Two Boats". Also, don't forget that the new Lilith Fair compilations will be released next Tuesday, both consisting of live recordings from last year's tour. Liz appears on Volume Three, with a rendition of "Never Said". One last thing, for anyone who is familiar with both songs, play Liz's "Stratford-on-Guy" and XTC's "Making Plans for Nigel" back-to-back sometime. Is it just me or is there a strong similarity in the drumming at the beginning of both songs? Jase NP: Liz, _whitechocolatespaceegg_ ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #139 ************************************