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support-system-digest      Saturday, May 8 1999      Volume 02 : Number 133



                               Today's Subjects:
                               -----------------
  Cinco de Mayo                                              [Wetyuk@aol.com]
  Liz Put the Moves On Me!                  [kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko)]
  Liz live show trades                                  [palik@ix.netcom.com]
  Liz Comes Multiple Times                              [palik@ix.netcom.com]
  jealousy!!!                    [Ascending to the Stars <zcjtsd0@ucl.ac.uk>]
  these farewells              ["tree shadow" <furlows@citrine.indstate.edu>]
  lucky you...                            [Ruth Seabrook <zcjtsd0@ucl.ac.uk>]
  magic carpet ride is over...    ["Brian P. Falk" <BFalk@hannasd.k12.pa.us>]
  ewok                           ["Paul Erickson" <ericksonpaul@hotmail.com>]
  new to the support systerm      ["Theresa dela Vega" <tdelave@hotmail.com>]
  Cinco de Mayo show                                      [AngelLieb@aol.com]
  cuz it loosens me up and i can't get enuff  ["Nicole W." <nweisber@emerald]

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 01:29:24 EDT
From: Wetyuk@aol.com
Subject: Cinco de Mayo

"It wasn't fun this time
 Letting you go..."

As I slowly come down off my Liz-induced high (Liz DID get me high!) created 
by seeing three Liz shows in a 9 day period, I must take a moment to share 
feelings while my ears are still ringing (literally).

I was at the 9:30 Club show in DC last week and then Baltimore and the 
Crowbar this week.  9:30 was the most enjoyable (Liz's drummer agreed with me 
on this - he liked the way the band sounded and I liked the crowd), but that 
wild Crowbar show was definitely the most eventful.  So let's talk about that.

First and foremost, there were too damn many people at the Crowbar.  We got 
there after David Meade had finished and before Liz had started with designs 
on getting near the front.  We got nowhere close.  There was pushing, 
shoving, and general jockeying for position throughout the show.  At one 
point during Liz's set, three people walked (shoved?) their way out behind 
us, and one girl in the group was crying and holding a pool of blood in the 
palm of her hand (does that make her a bloodkeeper?).  Then like 30 seconds 
later two guys about 20 feet to our right started going at it.  Apparently 
one of them had accidentally hit this girl in the face with a bottle and the 
other was upset about it.  So those two guys got ejected.  Things weren't 
exactly calm after that, but there weren't any more fights.

Now for the highlights, and there were many: When we were standing in line to 
enter the Crowbar, Liz and Buddy walked out the doors right past us on their 
way to the tour bus.  I said hi to Liz and she greeted us as she hurried 
past.  During the show she veered from the set list to play Big Tall Man and 
Jealousy, which were both cool.  David Meade and his crew came out during 
Flower and, one by one, lifted their shirts to reveal 
"LIZ...FUCKED...US...ALL" written in lipstick across their guts.  This was 
apparently in revenge for something Liz and her bandmates did to them during 
their opening set, which I didn't see.  Near the end Liz made one of the 
soundboard guys (what was his name - we were talking to him after the show) 
get on stage and take the mike.  They broke into a fantastic rendition of the 
Doors' Break On Through, with Liz not singing but dancing wildly and 
generally going crazy throughout.  That was amazing.

After the show I was talking to Liz's drummer Mario (also the Wallflowers' 
drummer) in the bar and he said that Liz has a lot of great new material and 
she is tentatively planning to go into the studio this summer.  He made a 
point of mentioning a couple of times how amazing he thinks the new stuff is. 
 After hearing Firewalker and Don't Apologize three times each now, I believe 
it.  Firewalker is already one of my favorite Liz songs.  Outside after the 
show we were talking to that cool Jersey girl Janet and I asked her if she 
had ever met Liz's husband.  Her exact words follow, "Once...actually he kind 
of looks like you."  Hello!!!  Apparently all hope is not lost in my sad 
little life.

Other random highlights from all three shows:  Liz spontaneously playing May 
Queen at 9:30 - absolutely incredible; Liz not wearing a bra at both 
Bohager's and the Crowbar (thank you Liz), and actually getting to see her 
play Cinco de Mayo on Cinco de Mayo.  And finally, far and away the biggest 
highlight of all: getting to meet and hang out with so many cool people from 
this mailing list at all three shows.  I drove to Baltimore with Lynda, to 
State College with Tom, saw Brian and Dave (Dave used to be the governor of 
Vermont and now he's a garbage collector, BTW) at all three shows, and along 
the way also met and hung out with Becky, Katie (the one who goes to JMU), 
Eric, Steve, Charles, TAD, and probably several other wonderful people who 
I'm now forgetting in my sleep-deprived state.  As cool as it is to read 
everybody's posts every day and feel in touch with fellow Liz fans, the 
really amazing thing about this list is actually getting together and meeting 
people on it.  Of all the highlights from the last week and a half, the 
people I've met are what I'll remember most.  Okay, Janet telling me that I 
look like Liz's husband is what I'll remember most, but all you great people 
are a close second.

My only sadnesses are that I still haven't gotten to meet Liz (unless that 
brief exchange outside the Crowbar counts) and that I probably won't be 
seeing her live for a long time now.  But don't worry Floridians, I'm not 
complaining.  Six shows in 10 months is pretty damn good.  And after talking 
to Mario at the Crowbar, I'm really convinced that we're going to see a new 
Liz album (and a great one at that) next year.

Also, if anyone has a good bootleg from one of the shows on this tour where 
she played Firewalker, please e-mail me.  I must have that song ASAP.  I just 
picked up some old EIG promo posters as trade bait, and I have other junk 
lying around too.  So e-mail me.

I've now filled my posting quota for the next six months.  Hopefully by that 
time the new album will be almost done.

Over and out,
Mark

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 03:33:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko)
Subject: Liz Put the Moves On Me!

Liz @ Crowbar, State College, PA 5/5

I have much to add to the excellent reviews posted by TMK, ginz@psu.edu,
et al.

I was in the front row, just to Liz's right. I was so close I could've
touched her. Reminded me of what Meredith said Just Passin' Thru was
like in July - we were right at Liz's feet. You have to see Crowbar's
stage to believe it. *So* tiny. She came so close to me that at one
point I thought she was going to hit me in the face w/ the head of her
guitar! I shouted for "May Queen" the whole night (and totally blew my
voice in the process), but she didn't play it. When she said "Wha??" the
one time, it was after I'd screamed *really* loud for it, so I thought
she was reacting to me, kind of making fun of me for screaming so loud.
Once I screamed for "Blood Keeper" and Liz answered me with a fake
scream of her own. 

The silver sparkly guitar that was used as a substitute for the Duo
Sonic was a "Music Vox" if I remember correctly -- don't know what co.
makes it. I was so close, I could clearly make out the chords to many
songs -- I now know exactly how to play "Polyester Bride" & others. I
think this was the longest set Liz has played on this leg --22 songs, if
I'm not mistaken.

"Firewalker" was great. The mix was really nice all night long & you
could actually hear Liz's playing. "Don't Apologize" is really
hard-rocking. In fact, the whole show was like *heavy* rock & roll. It
was definitely the loudest show I've been to. My ears are still ringing.
I think I've got permanent hearing loss!

The sound guy who came out to sing "Break On Through" is Ed Tinley, not
Tim. Check your _whitechocolate..._ liner notes; he engineered & played
guitar on many tracks. I asked him after the show if he was still
working with Brad, and he said he hasn't done anything w/ him since the
album. He's been on tour with Liz since Oct. This surprised me. (and
yes, he did kick ass on stage -- and Liz was dancing like a *maniac*
during "Break on Through" - very wild!)

When Liz came out at the end of Dave Mead's set to lipstick the guys, I
took one look & thought she looked like the girl next door. Very Patty
Duke, I swear. Took my breath away. I think that's the best I've seen
her look in concert, and the first time I ever noticed how nice she
looks from behind. Janet told us Liz works out every day, she's very
enthusiastic about it. She said Liz is so tiny (and she is), it's
impossible to shop for her because she's a size 1 -- on a "fat" day!
Also, when Liz said "You'll have to excuse us, it's the last tour -- er,
the last show of the tour, so we're all a little tweaked," I don't know
what she meant by that, but her eyes were kind of bloodshot -- no joke.
Of course, that's probably just the stoner in me, wanting to believe...

Both Janet & Jebin told us Liz is very adamant about heading directly to
the studio now that the tour is over. She's "all about" recording --
it's her "big thing," said Janet.
 
Afterward, I was waiting around w/ Josh Keir & his friend Laura. Laura
suggested that we go around the back to see what was up. If it hadn't
been for her cajoling, we never would've caught Liz in time. She was
standing with a crowd of perhaps 20 fans, very casually signing things.
She blended right in, looked just like another student. She said as we
were approaching her "Did everybody get their stuff signed?" I handed
her my copy of Juvenilia & I could sort of tell by her reaction that it
may have been the first she'd seen of the EP all night. Then I said
"Would you pose for a picture with me?" and she said "Sure!" She seemed
very happy to do this for us, I imagine since she won't be doing it for
a long time now. So I handed my camera to Laura, and got a little closer
to Liz. To my great surprise, Liz put her arm around me (!) and then put
her head on me (!) and I could feel her hair all over my face! I was in
heaven! I think she likes me. What an excellent early birthday present
and a total mindfuck - I'm in love!!

After she signed a few other things (including Laura's drumstick -- Liz
said she's signed lots of weird things, including bald heads, but never
a drumstick), she talked about how cold Binghamton was, said she
couldn't feel her hands after the 3rd song. I wanted to say "I was the
idiot screaming for 'May Queen'!" or "Put 'Blood Keeper' on your next
record!" but didn't get a chance. 

I took photos the entire show, so all the good stuff is on film,
including the "Liz Fucked Us All" stunt. Look for those on Ken Lee's
website within the coming weeks.

I have to say that for all my running around N. America & spending over
$200 on bus tickets trying to meet Liz & have my photo taken w/ her,
it's funny that in the end, all it took was this one "backyard" show for
all my wishes to be fulfilled. I daresay, it was one of the best nights
of my life!

Sorry about the length,

Steve

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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 04:19:19 -0500
From: palik@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Liz live show trades

If you have any Liz live shows audio tapes, or video, I'd like to trade.  

I have about 14 plus Phairities, Shelved Demos, etc.  Please let me 
know.  I'm especially interested in 1995 solo tour shows, or videos.  

Don

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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 04:59:20 -0500
From: palik@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Liz Comes Multiple Times

From the Gigography at 
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pavilion/2830/lizphairtourdates.html

The # of times Liz has played public shows in the folowing cities:
(including Lillith and Alanis tour dates, but not TV/radio show taping dates like 
Letterman/Leno/W.54th, etc.; those would raise NY's and LA's totals if counted)

14 Chicago
 9 New York City
 6 Los Angeles (including Hollywood & Santa Monica) - who says Liz doesn't play L.A. ?
 5 Minneapolis
 4 San Francisco
 4 Toronto, Canada
 4 Washington D.C. & area
 3 Boston (7 if you counted all of Mass.)
 3 Atlanta
 3 Austin
 3 Seattle
 3 Philadelphia
 2 Detriot (will be 3 w/ Lillith '99)
 2 Cleveland (will be 3 w/ Lillith '99)
 2 Columbia, MD
 2 San Diego
 2 Pontiac
 2 Portland, OR
 2 Milwaukee
 2 London, UK

Any place else she played only saw her once.

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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 11:45:28 +0000
From: Ascending to the Stars <zcjtsd0@ucl.ac.uk>
Subject: jealousy!!!

dude, i am so jealous of all of you who got to see this penn state show!
arg!! meanwhile, i am in the middle of evil exams that i am failing
anyways... grrr... and she played jealousy!!! she never played it for me,
even though she told me after the roseland show that the band was learning
it,a nd would be playing it soon, and then when i screamed for it in boston
on 12/1 she didnt' play it.  WAHH!!!!!! whatever, i'll just have to suck it
up and get over it. :(

uh, that's about it.  oh, here are some movie recommendations for you all:
happiness, and high art.  high art (w/ ally sheedy) was so good!  shudder
to think did the soundtrack, as well, although there were no contributions
from liz on this one (At least, not that i noticed).

anyways, off to my scary little cubicle to study...

oh, and if anyone has the new songs (firewalker, no apologies, etc, )
recorded, and would be willing to make me a copy, i would be pleased to
work out a trade once i get back to the states, and more importnatly, back
to my stereo,  in a month (oh no!!!) i have tons of stuff to trade,
including a bunch of cds...

(:ruthie:)

NP:  emmet swimming "arlington to boston", although "big night without you"
was just on....

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 06:22:43 -0500
From: "tree shadow" <furlows@citrine.indstate.edu>
Subject: these farewells

well as the school semester ends (for me at least) i must leave my 
current email station and go home. a few quickies before i go:
1-to anyone going to lilith in indianapolis-i am not buying 
tickts because if i do she wont show. (remember i bought columbus 
tickets) so my friend is.
2- if any of you happen so sojurn to the south and go to the 
indiana show, let me know, id love to hook up.
3-the guitar on "big tall man" from ken's cd's where it sounds 
like the whole ascending engine roar is so damn cool.
and 4- well, liz rocks, what else is there to say?
treeshadow saying goodbye
steven (soon to be farstrider again) in indy.



"i feel the sun on my back, i smell the earth in my skin, i see the sky 
above me like a full recovery."
liz phair

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 13:35:15 +0100 (GMT)
From: Ruth Seabrook <zcjtsd0@ucl.ac.uk>
Subject: lucky you...

well, this is going to be completely random and pointless, because i'm bored
with studying, and none of my friends are actually awake yet (Seeing as how
its only 8am on the east coast... time zones really suck.

so, anyways, uh... god, i've just realized its been a really long time since
i've actually listened to any liz (gasp!!!)  its because i've been doing
nothing but studying, and i can't study while listening to music that i know
ALL the lyrics to, because all i'll do is sing along, and not actually do any
work (hmm.. much like i'm doing now)  so the answer to this is... i need the
new liz songs, cause i dont' know the words to them.  KB, are you hooking me
up with tapes?  i've got a present for you when i get back if you do ...
(well, you can have the present anyways...)

uh... maybe after my exam on monday i'll go to betsy johnson and buy knee high
boots like liz's (i read in some interview that they are betsy johnson).  but
i already have boots like that.  maybe i'll just go shopping to make myself
feel better after bombing my exam... or i could just drink excessive
amounts... oh wait, did that the other night..

oh, bill in CT.... it made me feel so loved to hear that you were restraining
yourself on liz shows so as not to get too far ahead of me... :)  just think,
if i had been home, i would have been up to about 10 shows by now (i would
have gone to at least mt holyoke, WIP, welseley, providence, and probably
would have found some way to get to the lounge ax...)  but at this point there
are plenty of people who have waaaay outdone me... (side glances to KB,
nic-ole dirty bastard, etc)  but thanks for the nice thought...

is anyone going to the yo-yo a go-go festival?  i kinda want to go... of
course, when i get back to the states i will completely and utterly BROKE!!
but that's okay... 

oh, and regarding liz's staying with capitol... i think its kind of a silly
move on her part, but it was entirely her choice, and if that's what she
wants, well... whatever.  but i do agree with those who have pointed out that
she is now a littler fish is a big lake, and that wider distribution won't
help you much if people dont' know who you are.  and now i can't really call
her the indie rock goddess anymore... :(

okay, back to work... i need to at least get thru the first week of
lectures... (so far i've gotten thru the first.. lecture.  oops.)  would it be
really bad if i went out tonite?  hmm.....

(:ruthie:), the formerly compulsive neurotic student who had become a huge
apathetic slacker... oh well. 

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 09:48:05 -0400 
From: "Brian P. Falk" <BFalk@hannasd.k12.pa.us>
Subject: magic carpet ride is over...

a deep breath and a good night's sleep and a gentle landing so i can hop off
the magic carpet and get back into step with the straight world.  d.c.,
millersville, baltimore and state college were all close enough that i
couldn't miss out, so i didn't.  a friend who went to bohager's with me
can't stop giggling about how my 20 min grad school presentation on
adolescent idol worship of musicians is suspiciously congruent with my own
behavior- i keep reminding her that many of the behaviors i described also
exemplify "normal" music appreciation, but she's not buying it.  

i won't presume too much, but after 4 shows in two weeks, and thanks to some
long, interesting chats with buddy, mario, and especially with janet and
david, i can almost imagine what it's like to be part of this band; i mean,
i've practically been on tour with them.  so when everyone involved involved
with the show (but liz) let loose and hit the bar after the crowbar show, it
was easy to blend in.  i learned a lot, things like, how janet is jealous
(in a joking way) of liz for being a size 1 on a "fat day" and that she is a
fanatical exerciser.  and about the "boss-employee" dynamic between liz and
the band- like liz is definitely the queen bee, but as far as dictators go,
she is kind and benevolent.  and how none of them know for sure where and
when the next show is- at least one of them mentioned that the lilith dates
were by no means cast in stone.  but mainly that these folks are really just
smart, funny, friendly, people who you'd like to have a beer with if you
ever got the chance.  also, you can scoff at this if you want but i swear
it's true, there was noticable chemistry between my friend dave and janet as
we stood outside yapping in state college.  in another time and place they
would have wound up having dinner together, i'm sure.  tommy, mark, you were
there- am i right?

like many of you, i have my own stories about guitar picks and setlists, but
one that will pain you is how we were heading home from bohager's on tuesday
and the list blew out the sun roof of my car and out onto i-83.  gone.  but
i rallied at the crowbar and got a friendly roadie to hand me one against
the wishes of a bully-boy bouncer who was so excited to have a reason to
throw his weight around that he nearly pounded me just for asking (GET THE
FUCK AWAY FROM THE STAGE!).  sheesh.  don't do steroids. they're really bad
for your personality.  

david (bass player) is 38?  man i hope the next few years (sigh) are that
kind to me.  i would never have known but we got into a conversation about
the great laker teams of the mid-80's.  he's a big laker fan, as is mario-
both are from there.  so we're watching them crush portland after the
crowbar show and i start in how those were the days for the nba and all
that, and he says "yeah i was there in person" which shocked me couse he
looks so damn young, and he says oh no, i'm 38.  he also broke the news to
me that every time i get excited and strip off my t-shirt and throw it
onstage during the "volcano" part of supernova it goes right into the trash.
"sorry, man, it's like, we don't know where it's been"  that was really
funny because he seemed really sorry, but i'm pretty sure i didn't expect to
see liz wearing them in the magazine article i see about her.  i just think
it's kind of funny- like old ladies throwing their panties at elvis.
anyway, 3 of my best t-shirts are gone.  

also, and most importantly, i've only been part of this list for a few
weeks, but thanks to this tour and the list, i've made some really nice new
friends that i hope to see lots of in the future.  tommy, mark, katie,
lynda, tad, mindy, becky, i have had so much fun these past two weeks, i
can't even it describe...  stay in touch, esp. with summer coming!  tommy
and mark, we're still on for sleater-kinney in d.c. right?  keep me posted.
and becky, i am truly bummed that dave and i couldn't join you and your
friends after bohager's on tuesday.  but i have melissa's email and we'll
get together soon.  besides, with janet out of the picture now, i think you
might have a shot at dave!

brian

ps:  speaking of women being lured into bisexuality by liz, if you are the
cute 5'3" blond girl from western md coll. who stood in front of me at
crowbar, who also would NEVER go see alannis morrisette ( but do know who
alice donut is) i lost track of you after the show and i wanted to finish
our conversation.  get in touch w/ me!

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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 08:12:19 PDT
From: "Paul Erickson" <ericksonpaul@hotmail.com>
Subject: ewok

>OK, on the Ewok idea...
>Did anyone else get a little confused when they first heard "May Queen"?
>
>Where have I been
>Guarding Ewoks
>
>Maybe not.

I'm still pretty sure it's "got an ewok?" which if you think about it, makes 
a lot more sense than "got any what?" I'll be checking to make sure everyone 
updates the lyrics on their web sites.

Peace out.


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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 11:47:25 PDT
From: "Theresa dela Vega" <tdelave@hotmail.com>
Subject: new to the support systerm

I just wanted to say hi to all you liz phair fans.  I'm a new member to the 
support system but have been a fan.  I still have to post my review for the 
loyola show- after finals I can post a really good one and by then I'll have 
my pix. I am also one of the girls that sang Flower with Liz and nicole at 
loyola. Hey nicole, did you get my e-mail about the pix for the loyola show. 
  Oh yeah does anyone have any tabs for wcse or know were i could find tabs, 
I have a few already.  Thanks!
~Theresa


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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 00:14:43 EDT
From: AngelLieb@aol.com
Subject: Cinco de Mayo show

Wow! That was the funniest shit I've ever read!
	Brought back memories of the antics my friends
and I would do at the last recital dance show. Not that anyone
cares. Oh well...it was fun, I can relate in some way. You
guys are so lucky to hear Big Tall Man and Jealousy!

Sooo...summer time is around the corner and it will be
time to start screaming at the radio for playing the most
annoying summer song they overplay. Ohki...how about
a new trend?

Pick one song from WCSE you think would make a great 
radio summer song.

Me? I'd pick Johnny Feelgood or What Makes You Happy.
Both of them have really catchy lyrics. 

Guess I should try that Liz poetry contest thing sometime....
KL ();)

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Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 00:37:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Nicole W." <nweisber@emerald.tufts.edu>
Subject: cuz it loosens me up and i can't get enuff

>Oh, so now I'm what'shisname? Shame on you...
It's not that I forgot your name, it's that I forgot whose story it was.
Sorry man!  Actually, you never sign your name, but you did once in an
e-mail to me, but now I forget your name.  I think it's either Paul or
Jeff.  Oops.

>We should get together sometime, since we live, like,
>down the street from one another! And HOW WAS THE BEN
>FOLDS FIVE SHOW?
Well, due to unforeseen circumstances concerning a so-called "friend", as
well as a so-called "guy", I didn't make it to BFF.  The friend was being
a bitch and I decided it wasn't worth it to take her to see Liz and pay
for her, even though she has a car, so I had to run and catch a greyhound.
REmember?  that's why I was in need of a ride home.  ANyway, i don't think
the hanging out will happen... I have to study for finals, then take
finals, then leave forever (i'm transferring).  But maybe?  I leave on the
14th.

>let me know when it's National MC Hammer Day, because I can't wait to
>break out my green shiny sultan pants
Hahaha Ken!  Can't say that I can picture you wearing those things, but I
mean, it's not my job, really.  By the way everyone, this was the kind
soul who gave me a ride ALL THE WAY hoeme from the Worcester show.  He is
very very very nice and I'm forever indebted to him and his wife for going
out of their way to give me a ride home.  We also got lost in Somerville
or Medford, who knows which it was?

>OK, on the Ewok idea...
>Did anyone else get a little confused when they first heard
>"May Queen"?

>Where have I been
>Guarding Ewoks
I suggest you visit my site (shameless plug), and go to
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DontWalk/ewoks.html.  

Great reviews of the Crowbar show!  It sounds HILARIOUS and awesome.  

That's all for now, I think.  Time to get even fatter by eating ramen.
Mmmm.

Later,
Nicole
http://fly.to/mayqueen

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