From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #127 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, May 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 127 Today's Subjects: ----------------- john kim's clarification [Oh4sythia@aol.com] flats, plona, and milne ["Roper, Catherine E" ] One ticket for Providence ["Caitlin Lane" ] DC Liz PhFest [Meredith Robbins ] Liz in Wellesley [Sandra Boncek ] wellesley and a bleh ["Nicole W." ] Cranberries/Tattoo [TADude9999@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V2 #125 [Talula9695@aol.com] chris plona ["dana" ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #126 [Toolate479@aol.com] Etch a sketch in the sky [AngelLieb@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 03:05:41 EDT From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: john kim's clarification I just wanted to commend John Kim for yesterday's post. John, your clarifications were very well written and helpful. Actually, when I read your first message, I was rather turned off, but because you took the time & effort to explain, I now am able to really respect, and possibly relate to, your opinion. It is true, since Liz is on Capitol now, it can't really be disputed that the "indie" phase of her career is over. I will love her as long as her music is good, and even if it is ever not, I'll love all the albums that are. However, by going with Capitol, she is moving away from some of the elements (that John mentioned) that really worked with her style. I'm concerned that Capitol's managing style will not mesh well with Liz's quirkyness and equally quirky audience. I guess it remains to be seen. Since nobody has even suggested, much less supported, the idea of a big e-mail campaign (to Matador: get Liz back, to Capitol: give Liz back), I suppose most of this list is prepared to just wait and see what happens. So we'll see.... Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 07:55:08 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Roper, Catherine E" Subject: flats, plona, and milne >Jamie wrote: >Hey got my promo flat of Liz - wcse today... >"DarkSide oftheMoon" wrote: >I hope everybody elses made it ok... eek!! i still have not recieved mine.... and i'm leaving this address in a matter of days....oh please hurry 'lil spaceegg flat....come one wcse flat!! :) (big money, no whammies) also i wanted to make a comment about chris plona: this guys sucks!!! (not very earth-shattering...but hey, it get's my point across). if you are somehow still a subscriber chris.....i suggest you take your own advice and leave the list. this whole harrassment thing is a real bummer. here's a really nice poem about spring to put everyone in a better mood!! :) (courtesy of: a bear of very little brain) *Spring Morning* Where I am going? I don't quite know. Down to the stream where the king cups grow-- Up on the hill where the pine-trees blow-- Anywhere, anywhere, I don't know. Where am I going? The clouds sail by, Little ones, baby ones, over the sky. Where am I going? The shadows pass, Little ones, baby ones, over the grass. If you were a cloud, and sailed up there, You'd sail on the water as blue as air. And you'd see me here in the fields and say: "Doesn't the sky look green today?" Where am I going? I don't quite know. What does it matter where people go? Down to the wood where the blue-bells grow-- Anywhere, anywhere, I don't know.* bye!! -katie #1,957,265 "one day. i am goingtogrow wings." - -radiohead ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 10:19:23 -0400 From: "Caitlin Lane" Subject: One ticket for Providence Due to my boyfriend deciding that game 6 of the Bruins-Carolina series was more important than coming with me to Providence (don't worry - I kicked his ass - he'll never do it again), I now have one ticket that has no owner. If you are in the area and want to go, please e-mail me at amazongirl33@hotmail.com. Caitlin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 22:40:27 -0400 From: Meredith Robbins Subject: DC Liz PhFest OK, so, it's just started dawning on me the appointed date of the DC Liz PhFestival of Caring of Love is drawing nye, and I don't know what the hell is going on. It's still on for Saturday, May 22, as far as I know--I mean, I haven't made any other plans for that weekend or anything. What exactly is going to happen on the 22nd, I don't really know, and at the moment I have either bronchitis or bronchitis' wicked identical twin brother, so I'm not really up to coming up with Really Neat Ideas just now (what I'm mostly up to is moaning quietly [in this creepy Cryptkeeper voice I've developed] and taking far more than the recommended dosage of Robitussin--could you tell?). All I know is I'm bringing art supplies. And I think I mentioned my cheesball idea about making our own event t-shirts already, no? So, everyone, give me ideas! I'm sick! Take pity on me! Oh, and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, if you think you may be coming to this thing, send me an e-mail (even if you've already mentioned it to me already) so I can get some idea what the fuck I've gotten myself into. Thank you! Hoping this doesn't get lost in the digest, Meredith - -- "And why let a perfectly good old guy go uneaten?" --JoAnne Schmitz on alt.folklore.urban ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:15:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandra Boncek Subject: Liz in Wellesley OK, so last night was my first Liz show ever. Listers Katie, Nicole, and Justin were there too and I met them! THE VENUE. It was this big theater not unlike my junior-high school auditorium. It was general admission, but there were SEATS. Too bad the first eight rows, center section were reserved for Wellesley girls. Not my favorite people. More later on that. And there were, like, twelve men in the whole place, and THREE of them were right in front of me. By the third or so song I was pissed; I couldn’t see a thing. But I couldn’t believe how easy this was to fix. Basically, the crowd was so low-key that I just vacated my seat and made my way up to the front row, elbows on the stage--next to Katie, it turns out! We were both amused at how NOT into the performance the chicks running the show were--for the most part, they were far more interested in telling us [me really] why we shouldn’t be in their *reserved* area. Meantime, I’m four feet from Luscious Liz and I’m like: shut the fuck up and enjoy the show! But I couldn’t believe this setup: there was NO barrier whatsover between the crowd and the stage. Nothing. Unbelievable. I’ll avoid talking about the set list b/c Katie will cover that, I’m sure. I will say that I *so* dug Don’t Apologize and ominously absent was Dance of the Seven Veils. Opener was not David Mead. She was this southern girl (Kyler?) with a fantastic voice (technically better than Liz’s) who sang (IMHO) boring songs about inspiration and romance. Interesting juxtaposed with Liz to say the least. I enjoyed her cover of One Good Reason (T. Chapman) far more than her originals. Before Liz came on, I was impressed to hear Beth Orton’s excellent Central Reservation playing. Either the girls running the show had really good taste (doubtful) or Liz did. You know what I’m hoping for. About Liz’s outfit: with a red miniskirt she had on a tiny top w/ spaghetti straps [what do you call that anyway? I wear them myself but I am *not* 17 so perhaps I don’t have the proper lingo] ... anyway this shirt looked as if it had two layers of fabric, one red underneath and one iridescent white overlaying it (both skin tight) so the whole effect was of a semi-sparkly light red (not pink). As I noticed toward the end of the show, her outfit sorta matched her guitar--red with an iridescent white center. Oh, and she had white toenails. (In black platform sandals) I don’t know if it was the light, or I hadn’t been paying attention, or what, but all of a sudden, it was like the last song and Liz was facing me, and it was like, Jeez Louise! Hello! There are your breasts! Her shirt was *entirely* transparent. I wonder if she realized that ... I almost felt voyeuristic; thank god the show was over. I wanted to run up there and help her out: Sweetie, do you realize ...? Perhaps she did, in fact. Room fulla grrls? OK, so for my first Liz experience ... the songs that affected me the most weren’t the songs I would have expected. Like, of course I wanted to hear (and knew I would hear) Flower ... she sang it, like, fifth or so. But it was hypnotizing. She got all floaty in her arm movements (particularly during: Your face reminds me of a flower, kind of like you’re underwater ...) ... and I for one was transfixed. The cop next to me (there were, like, two total at the whole show) was a little thrown by Flower’s lyrics; I could tell. I caught his eye right after the final line and he sorta smiled and looked all embarrassed. I’m 28, not 18-21 like the rest of the crowd, so I thought this was kind of a riot. He was probably not much older than me. She is so thin. Waify. But muscular. She looked great. And yes, Katie, I saw her smile at you! And thanks for the tape, Justin! Love it! See you, Justin, and Nicole tonight I’m sure ... I’ve already gone on for too long. Only six hours till the next show. - -Sandra- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 15:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: wellesley and a bleh Well, here's my quickie review of the wellesley show. Highlight: When I screamed and screamed for May Queen, and she finally played it. :) I think she got a little annoyed by me? Ahh well, at least she played May Queen again. It was funny, cuz the crowd was awful... bunch of cunts (no offense if you were there, I'm sure *some* of the crowd was allright, but the only cool people I met were listers, and there were only like four or five of us) so it was really quiet, and I was like "PLAY MAY QUEEN!" And she was like "I messed that up the other night!" And I was like "I DON'T CARE! PLAY IT ANYWAY! I'LL HELP YOU!" and she was like... what did she say? I forgot. Shit. Oh well. So much for my story. Anyway, the acoustics in this place were pretty bad, Liz's vox weren't turned up high enough, and the girls who worked on this concert were biatches! They wouldn't let us stand anywhere good, cuz their seats were "RESERVED" but no one was in them, and there was a cop standing right in the aisle up against the stage... and I was like rubbing up against his... gun. I was first in line for the concert, by the way. Now tonight I'm going to WPI, but my friend is being a real bitch about gettign there at a decent time. UGH! I'm on the phone with her right now. BITCH! New subject. Has this happened to anyone else? "What are you doing tonight?" "I'm going to see Liz Phair." "Oh. Who is playing at that?" "Liz Phair." "No... like who is playing at it?" "Liz Phair. She's a musician." "Isn't that this tour with a bunch of women?" "No. That's LILITH FAIR." "Then what is Liz Phair?" "Huh?" "Like that's her name. Like Elizabeth Clark Phair." "Uhh..." "She's a musician. She's awesome." "Uhhh... okay." This happens to me quite frequently. It's usually guys who are the dumb ones. :) Ahh well. Gotta go shower so maybe I can catch Ben Folds Five's set here at Tufts. Later all, and hope I make it up to the front of the auditorium @ wpi. Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 15:51:12 EDT From: TADude9999@aol.com Subject: Cranberries/Tattoo Oh my gosh I went to see the Crannberries on Friday night and Dolores O'Riordan was shaking hands with everyone in the front rows. Another ,Natalie Merchant wannabe. Just in case anyone cares or think they might care, the Cranberries put on a great show,Dolores dances around constantly and has a really good stage presence. I'm not a huge Cranberries fan or anything,but they were quite good live. Let me throw the Liz Phair related tattoo thing out there again as I've pretty much decided on the the Whip Smart star with the little guy holding the flowers for my arm. Comments? Suggestions? Hope your weekend is going great TAD ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 17:05:07 EDT From: Talula9695@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #125 You know, Jaime's right - friends don't let friends listen to Jewel. And thanks for the great idea of pretending you've never heard of her, I'm going to try that. A fellow Liz phan sickened by Jewel's existence, Jackie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 17:15:43 -0700 From: "dana" Subject: chris plona hey all: i decided to post my email exchange with chris plona because i'm sure a lot of you are wondering what's going on: From: Chris Plona To: Subject: dpolachowski Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 9:18 PM Leave the list loser. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From: dana To: Chris Plona Subject: Re: dpolachowski Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 10:28 PM explain why. > - ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Plona To: Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 10:33 PM Subject: dpolachowski > Look, there is nothing wrong with being a rock and roll Ken doll. Liz > really must be a few sticks short of a yard. > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From: dana To: Chris Plona Subject: Re: dpolachowski Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 11:00 PM what the hell are you talking about? i'm serious, i have no idea what you mean.... From: Chris Plona To: Subject: dpolachowski Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 11:15 PM As much as Liz would like to rekindle. Damage has been sustained. A massive scar will ensue. She really must be just like her nonperforming pictures. Kid. Loser. Movie sucker. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com end************************************************************************* from what i can gather, my emails are not personally threatening (like some other people's) but they sure as hell are strange. i mean, this is NOT normal conversation here. another reason i am posting this is because i haven't entirely put to rest the notion that liz's management should be contacted about this. at first i thought *i* was getting stalked but then i learned that others got them too. so after rereading these i thought maybe these emails were directed "at" her and that scared me.... after reading the other emails that jaime and meg posted i could see he was being malicious and threatening to the list members themselves, not to liz per se. BUT what if this person intends to harm other concertgoers? this is what i'm talkin' about. it's not entirely far-fetched. we don't know if this guy just took a bit hit of crack or if he's truly mentally deranged. or how badly. and what if he's done this before? do you see what i'm saying? am i totally out of line here? i don't know, i really don't. if liz's people knew, at least they could check IDs at the door. also, she touring RIGHT NOW, so there's maybe a sense of urgency here. i really don't know.... maybe after the events of two weeks ago i am just in ABSOLUTELY NO MOOD for sociopaths. yuk. dana ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 23:34:40 EDT From: Toolate479@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #126 hey everyone; i've been lurking for a while... but i thought that now was the time to make my grand debut... i'm doing this project in school in which we have to do a presentation on a major musician from the last 40 years. so duh, i'm doing liz. to that end, i was wondering if anyone can help me with analysis for some lyrics... what is may queen about? and in dead shark, what is the dead shark supposed to represent? i have a vague idea, and i understand the rest of the song, i think, but if anyone has a more clear insight, i'd really appreciate it. i can play this game with any number of songs... oh and one more thing... someone wrote, in reference to a rude email: << I am NOT a fag in any way shape or form.....but I'm getting the feeling you aren't that far from that..... >> and i'd just like to point out, on behalf of all the ACTUAL faggots on the list, that being called a fag is not really something that begs for an "i know you are, but what am i" type of response... cuz "fag" isn't the equivalent of "asshole," yknow... it shouldn't be used as an insult even if someone else used it as one first... that's all... i don't mean to be a PC jerk or anything, but it does kinda bother me... basking in the post de-lurking glow, too late ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 00:01:30 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Etch a sketch in the sky Lovely reviews. Enjoy reading them all! Thought of archiving them at my site so everyone can read them again if they like and not have to dig through the digests. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Birdland/9820/lizphair.html Anyhoo....Count me to head up to Detroit for the Lilith Fair Liz will be performing at. Let's try to make this a Liz-fest here! It's on August 14, 1999 in Detroit! Tixs go on sale on May 22! Ohki...who's heading to see Liz on May 5? Thought it would be a cool idea if someone informed Liz she's playing on Cinco de Mayo. *bleh* Reason why I hate Orlando, Florida. Britney Spears is still here! Would that girl leave?! Hit her one more time! KL ();) ~*~Rock and roll will never die as long as there are music lovers like us.~*~ NP: Fleetwood Mac, The Dance P.S. Happy belated b-day Lani! ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #127 ************************************