From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #124 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, April 29 1999 Volume 02 : Number 124 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: support-system-digest V2 #122 ["keelyfish" ] two more things ["Nicole W." ] why we love Nicole [Oh4sythia@aol.com] May Queen [Charles Lewis ] liz at nyu review [Charles Lewis ] Liz, Matador and Capitol [Jason Long ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #123 [ROKHALID@vassar.edu] [none] [raymond lew ] reviewing the reviews ["DarkSide oftheMoon" ] Never Mind the Bullocks......... [TADude9999@aol.com] liz in dc and misc. stuff. [MangoHula@aol.com] 9:30 show ["Brian P. Falk" ] liz triplefest [Sandra Boncek ] DC show ["Roper, Catherine E" ] Kick-Ass! 9:30, 4/27 [Meredith Robbins ] Jason Long and Vasant ["Bad Dreams" ] Re: Vasant (aka Me) [Vasant Ramamurthy ] Lilith and stuff [Craig King ] for the record ["dana" ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #123 [Sara MacKinnon ] when we were wee [baggytrousers@mindspring.com] Web Ring insert [Chris Plona ] Liz @ NYU [Emerald314@aol.com] Phair '85 ["Katie Brown" ] From: "bh" ["bh" ] shakin in me boots and other topics... ["Nicole W." ] SS 122 ["Joseph H. Weber" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 00:16:05 -0500 From: "keelyfish" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #122 Katie (right?) said: kelly and suzanne, on the firwalker refrain: i think you are absolutly right about the word "spite" where i heard (desperately) "life", but on my copy she is for sure saying "all *we* know" can you identify the second verse ??? ??? like a wild flame that catches on ?? ??? ??? catches on to everything? - --- Ok. My name's Keely. Sorry if that's nitpicky, but it's my biggest pet peeve in the world. It makes me cringe. And, like I said, the song lyrics may have changed, it being a new song, but on my copy they are "despite all you know" and "despite all they say." No we's anywhere. I keep rewinding and replaying the beginning to the second verse. She gets all low and quiet and somebody screams, damn them (it was probably us or something.) it sounds like deny is the first word, but i know it can't be. "(two words that rhymes with deny) like a wild flame that catches on whatever (something that rhymes with flame) Argh. Keely ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:19:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: two more things If anyone has a tape of the 9:30 club, it should be treed, or at least sent to me. Also, did anyone see Dawson's Creek? i can't believe that Abby died... and they showed her all blue and bloated! sorry for the spoiler. later, Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:25:06 EDT From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: why we love Nicole The following is an excerpt from an AIM conversation between Leslie (Oh4sythia) and Nicole Weisberg (May Queen4), held at 1:24 am EST today: Oh4sythia: Nicole, hi May Queen4: Hey! What's up? Have you read your digest yet? I'm so jealous of the DC people... sound slike an awesome show. Oh4sythia: I've been slacking on digests, actually May Queen4: ahhh. So what's up? Oh4sythia: hey, did you just get a digest? hahah Oh4sythia: good going nicole, make a whole digest just for you May Queen4: hahaha! are youseriosu? Oh4sythia: yes! Oh4sythia: that's what happens when it cuts off the digest at 1:10 because it's full and then there's only 5 or 10 minutes until the end of the suppport-system day Oh4sythia: and then our favorite may queen just has to post May Queen4: cool! a digest of me! yeah exactly. there ws that one girl once who posted three times and that was the whole digest. May Queen4: at least i only posted once. Oh4sythia: yeah, I think it's perfect May Queen4: :) should i make a speech? Bye guys - Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:40:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Lewis Subject: May Queen > I know it's selfish, but I'm so so jealous of all you 9:30 Clubbers. > NEver has a response to a Liz show been so overwhelmingly awesome. And > she played May Queen!!!! and I wasn't there!!! As webmistress of I Spy a > May Queen, I want to hear her play May Queen!!!! Think she'll play it if > i yell real loudly at Wellesley or Worcester? Probably not. Bleh. I never imagined in a million years that she'd actually play anything I was yelling for, either. I was actually saying just before the show began that May Queen is my all-time favorite Liz song. I was just completely stunned that we actually sort of interacted - that I said something and she heard it. I guess that sounds kind of silly, but it was just one of those perfect moments that I seem only to read about! Definitely yell for it! I've heard her comment that May Queen is one of her favorites to play in bootlegs, as well as an article, or two. I'm going to yell for Johnny Sunshine at the next show. I doubt she'll play it, but I've got to try. It's one of those songs which having Janet along could *really* help out - lots of work for a backup vocalist, y'know. Take care- CHL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:51:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Charles Lewis Subject: liz at nyu review John Kim's review of the NYU show seemed to have some positively snotty things to say about Liz's backup band and stage mannerisms. I really couldn't disagree more with the sentiments expressed. If he really thinks that Natalie Merchant was the first to shake hands with an audience, or that Rancid was truly the _original_ author of a particular chord progression, then he ought to apply the same brand of snide critique to his own ramblings. Rock and pop (alternative or otherwise) are near and dear to our hearts precisely because the whole genre is *completely* self referential. There's really only so much diversity to be had out of I-IV-V and a bundle of angst, after all. Artists (*especially* the legendary ones) rip each other off at every turn. They've been doing it for the past eighty years, or so, with rock and blues - and, by all accounts, will continue to do so for many, many years to come. That Liz can work the same hackneyed themes and end up with something amazing and fresh is all the more magical, IMHO. By the same token - what the hell is up with critiquing the band based on their fashion choices? Would we prefer a bassist who had left behind the styles of '92, but wasn't providing a solid line? Maybe we could trade the monsters-of-rock-NJ drummer for a more toned down fellow who couldn't keep time? I've personally been pretty impressed with how tight her lineup has become over the three shows I've seen this year. I actually hope she brings Janet and Buddy with her into the studio for her next album. CHL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:52:34 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Liz, Matador and Capitol Here's something new from the Matador website that may be of interest... April 28, 1999 MATADOR RECORDS INDEPENDENT AGAIN As of April 1, 1999, Matador Records and Capitol Records are parting ways. The split is amicable, a mutually negotiated buyout in which Matador Records co-founders Gerard Cosloy and Chris Lombardi will reacquire 100% of their company. (Capitol purchased 49% of Matador in June 1996 as part of a 3-5 year joint venture and distribution deal.) Matador departs with all of its masters and artists except for Liz Phair, who stays with Capitol. All the other artists co-released by Matador and Capitol stay with Matador, including Pavement, the Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, Belle and Sebastian and Pizzicato Five. All of their Matador/Capitol releases become Matador releases. In addition, Matador departs with its complete independent catalog and roster, including Cornelius, Solex, the Arsonists, Boards of Canada, Yo La Tengo, Pole, Non Phixion and Cat Power. In future, Matador's releases will be sold via independent distributors and Matador's own direct-retail sales network. Reached for comment in Matador's New York office, Chris Lombardi said, "Matador appreciates the high level of enthusiasm and expertise it has enjoyed with the Capitol team. However, as we look forward over the changing landscape of the music industry, we are excited to operate as a true independent again. With the recent consolidation of major labels, we believe that the independent community is more viable now than ever before." 1998 was Matador's biggest year ever, outgrossing the label's former peak in 1994. Contributing to the sales total were releases by newer signings such as Cornelius, Solex, Cat Power, Boards of Canada and Belle and Sebastian, as much as releases by established acts like Liz Phair and The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion. In September 1999, Matador will celebrate its Tenth Anniversary with showcases in New York and London and a CD box set celebrating the label's history and diversity, with releases spanning the genres from rock to electronic music to hip-hop. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 02:32:08 -0500 (EST) From: ROKHALID@vassar.edu Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #123 whoa there cowboy, i just read somebody's review of the nyu show and i have to say i was pretty surprised at it. my humble opinion??? the show was AMAZING!!! liz was amazing and beautiful and talented and ... eep, just very amazing. that's all i have to say in the way of gushing ridiculously, so here's the setlist: chopsticks, fuck and run, johnny feelgood, mesmerizing, cinco de mayo, flower, firewalker, never said, 6'1", glory, uncle alvarez, don't apologize, polyester bride, supernova, whitechocolatespacegg, perfect world, stratford-on-guy, support system, divorce song (these last four were encores). i was right up front, got lots of great pictures (well, hopefully :) ), taped it (although the sound quality ended up being pretty damn shitty), AND got a setlist. all in all it was a great night, plus the nyu kids rocked. :) i tried my hardest to get her to play "see the light" and she actually heard me and said, "oh i can play that, that's exciting...people always yell things i can't play anymore"...but she didn't play it. oh well. :) now i have to go back to real life and finish a final project before 6 tomorrow...yipes! later tators b ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:53:04 -0700 (PDT) From: raymond lew Subject: [none] okay, it's 1:49am, i've got a huge project due in the afternoon that i've barely worked on, and i'm stressing out. luckily, i've got a little liz to soothe the soul. unfortunately, she doesn't know a thing about ugaritic mythological tablets. (yeah, i know this is a random post, but i have to procrastinate somehow) ...ray np: what makes you happy **************************************************************************** "I'm a wreck, I'm obsessed, I'm insane. Isn't that what you want me to say?" --Liz Phair the writings on the wall - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/ beginning to see the light - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew/liz_phair/ **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 04:19:32 PDT From: "DarkSide oftheMoon" Subject: reviewing the reviews Man, I love it! SS # 122 was full of reviews! Everything from to "wow the band was tight and rocked" to "I was pissed and those guys suck." Judging from the majority of reviews I get the feeling she rocked and the crowd loved it. For all of you posting reviews - keep 'em coming! And for the moaner(s) - As far as Liz being "fake" by shaking hands between songs, as someone put, come on...please....shaking hands with audience members is so NOT fake. You've got to realize that all of you up north who are getting to see her are SO lucky. Personally,I wouldn't bitch like some people that this person sucked or she didn't do this or that. I mean damn, you are getting to see her live. I would stand in the friggin rain/snow/sleet/hail just to see her live so quit yer bitchin! I know you must be tired hearing this but us poor slobs in Florida will prob never get the chance to see her, short of leaving the state (which I would do if I didn't have a job, wife and kid). So enjoy it. If/when Liz ever becomes so popular that she doesn't respond to her audience, doesn't meet with people after the show for photographs and bear-reception sessions, THEN that is what I call being fake. Liz is obviously so connected with her fans and that is about as REAL as you can get. Try getting up on stage to sing a song with or get snuggly close to Madonna or some other "superstar" after a show and see how fast security is on your ass. I'm starting to notice a pattern emerging on here.....seems that around the same time every month, a lot of hostile sounding posting (myself included it seems!) and replying seems to be taking place. Maybe its the full moon, maybe just that time of the month (males included). I know its just everyone airing their opinions and all but...hmmmm hang on a sec....gotta check the e-mail again.... What?!?! Hey how come Nic-ole'dirtybastard gets SS # 123 all to herself? Sheesh.......I know we like her and all but damn..... (I hope we're still making fun of Nicole's name or else she's gonna be pissed!) BTW - Jamie, your walk-through of EIG while stoned was great, very inspiring! _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:16:18 EDT From: TADude9999@aol.com Subject: Never Mind the Bullocks......... On 4/29 John Kim wrote: Now, certainly I'm an advocate of everyone being able to express their opinion,however, John you seem angry here! First explain to me how your initial exitement wore off. I've seen Liz 6x(7th next week) since July/98 and have yet to "settle in" after the first few songs of these shows.The progression of the band,has been very impressive and fascinating to watch over the passed eight months,to say the least. I find myself engulfed in these shows,unable to give my attention to anything but the show.I find myself driving farther and farther to see these shows.They are that good!! The drummer so I'm told is from The Wallflowers and although I thought the old drummer was really great,I think this newer guy is better,I mean I find myself actually noticing his playing at the shows. The bass player,although I don't play, seems to be doing a great job from what I can hear and see. I'm not saying that these are the greatest musicians in the world or anything but for what they are being asked to play I can't imagine a more well oiled machine at this point. I say this with total objectivity. Incidentally ,the bass player is very friendly to talk to although this has nothing to do with his musicianship. As far as shaking peoples hands and "stealing this from Natalie Merchant..." Performers have been doing this for hundreds of years and maybe Liz did get the idea from seeing Natalie do it at last years Lilith Fair shows, but I don't think Liz would do this unless she really wanted to. Even if it is staged, who cares,I'm just really glad that I'v been able to touch/interact with her during her shows. Just my opinion or maybe the laymans perspective,whateverrrrrrrrrrr! TAD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:43:12 EDT From: MangoHula@aol.com Subject: liz in dc and misc. stuff. a little late is better than never.......... 9.30 club...........totally incredible. this is my fourth time seeing liz since oct. and this was the best show by far. i know others have sent their reviews in but no one has mentioned how katie screamed out "did you get the birthday card" and liz replied "i do appreciate the birthday card". the card she is talking about is the one we (support system) put together (i cannot really say we b/c i really had nothing to do w/ it and actually never even sent my greeting in, bad me). katie yelled this at a real silent point right before a song, after many attempts at yelling already we thought she'd never hear. way to go katie for finally finding a quiet point!!! also. . . . . . katie and i received lots of comments about standing at a "sit-down" show.............i have another issue to ask/bring up. we (group of all of us support systemers who met up) were singing the majority of the time. at one point this guy looked over at katie and i and said "can you shut up?".......hmmmmmm..........well, "no", we thought, and dismissed his comment. but i'm just curious to know what everyone's thoughts are on this..............???? there are definitely two things that i'm not going to do at a liz show a. sit down and b. keep my mouth closed.................. well.......i'm debating going up to baltimore to see liz next week. let's see what happens..............why does it have to be a work nite???.............. btw: it was lovely meeting everyone--tom (again), becky, tad, brian, mike, mark, did i get everyone's name right?? oh, and meredith, where did you disappear to after the show???? we barely got to say 'hi'?????? also, if anyone tooks pics or recorded, please let me know!!!!!! - -Lynda *What was best of all was the longing look you gave me, that longing look More than enough to keep me fed all year * XTC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:37:00 -0400 From: "Brian P. Falk" Subject: 9:30 show this will be a brief post, as my place of employment (a public h.s.) is in currently in a tense state, thanks to the issuance of threats related to the littleton massacre. there are cops everywhere, half the building is absent, and for today, i am more a sentry than a teacher. ANYWAY, i want to add my name to the list of of happy 9:30 club show attedndees. several of us list members met before the show, and i want to publicly encourage other listers to do the same before any future shows. it added so much to the experience. looking fwd to balto. and state college...! brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:18:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandra Boncek Subject: liz triplefest hi there first-time poster... Will be at Wellesley, Worcester, and Providence this weekend. Got no geographically-close buds who dig Liz, so Wellesley (at least) I'll be attending by myself ... which is fine; I'm five feet tall and frequently annoy my friends by disappearing into the depths of the crowd at general-admission shows so I can actually see the stage or worm my way to the front row. Plus I'd rather see a show like Liz's alone than with a lukewarm fan. Thanks for all the posts from you guys re: shows this past week. I'm so freaking primed for this weekend. Working like a nutcase till then. It'll be a huge release. See you Boston-dwelling fans there ... Sandra _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:36:06 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: "Roper, Catherine E" Subject: DC show i just wanted to thank everyone who sent me a birthday greeting for liz..... if you missed it, at the show i yelled out, 'did you get the b-day card?' and she said, 'yes, i appreciate the card.' i was in 7th heaven. also, a big HELLO, to all my friends and fellow digest readers who i met up with at the show. take care everyone. - -- Roper, Catherine E roperce@jmu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Apr 99 01:01:07 -0400 From: Meredith Robbins Subject: Kick-Ass! 9:30, 4/27 I don't have much to add to the raves of those who've posted on this so far (it really was a super-duper ultra-INCREDIBLE show), but I'll say what I can... *Damn, but Liz is *hot*. Dude, if I were a man or a lesbian... (And if any other straight girls out there think Catherine Zeta-Jones is so gorgeous it hurts, drop me a line so I don't feel like such a weirdo.) Her pants were the same olive green pleather (at least, I'm pretty sure they're pleather) cigarette pants she wore on Sessions at West 54th in the fall. (That was in the fall, wasn't it? It's all a blur.) If I'm not mistaken, they have a matching slim-cut jacket. And I think they might be by Agnes B, although don't quote me on that. I loved her tube top, although she appeared, understandably, to be having a little trouble keeping it up. Overall, it was a terrific outfit. *I screamed for "Bars of the Bed," but to no avail. Not surprisingly. *I am so proud to have been part of that crowd--the love was hanging in the air like the smoke of 800 clove cigarettes (which there also was, and which I blame for my hideous respiratory problems of the last two days). You could actually see huge waves of love washing over the stage. And this is from the viewpoint of a girl who indulged in nothing more than the above-mentioned second-hand clove smoke, gag gag. We were so supportive. Go, us! Liz rewarded us richly. *The list people found me! Of course, it was toward the end of the show, and then I had to pretty much jam it out of there after the show, so I didn't actually get to really to talk to them, but it was still cool. They were very... boisterous. Was it you guys going "RIIIIIIIIIIDE! RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE!" over and over and over? Good Lord, that was loud. Impressively so. Hey, do you think when she said she appreciated the birthday card, she actually knew which one you were talking about? Because I'd really like to think she read my haiku. *I got her pick! Well, one of them, at least. At the end of the show, she tossed maybe three? of them out into the crowd, one of which sailed, like, directly in front of me. And then it disappeared! I immediately dropped to my hands and knees and started pawing around on the nasty sticky beer-soaked floor, but I couldn't find it! There was this very intense bald-headed gentleman down there looking for it, too, and he kept shouting at me (note that our heads were maybe three inches apart), "Did you find it? DID YOU FIND IT?!?!" He frightened me. I gave up after ten minutes or so, but I couldn't leave without checking one more time. So I went back over, and this guy who looked sort of like Isaac Hanson, only more attractive, told me he had found it, and that he'd like me to have it. So I embraced him gleefully. What a great guy! Cool Hanson Guy, if you read this, I am forever endebted to you--if you ever need anything (and I do mean *anything*), turn to me first. I love you. You rock. I think that's all. Except, oh, those Exile in Guyville cover crop top t-shirts are FUCKING HIDEOUS. They have this strange quasi-white trash feel about them. Just bad. Sort of weird, considering how fashion-forward Liz is--she would *never* wear one of those things. OK, that's really all. Love, Meredith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ NEW! Identify the first line and win praise and adulation! "That's good thinking there, Cool Breeze." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:15:35 PDT From: "Bad Dreams" Subject: Jason Long and Vasant About my message, I was kidding, you didn't have to write an essay about it. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:18:00 -0400 From: Vasant Ramamurthy Subject: Re: Vasant (aka Me) >>That's really, really dumb. Why would you want to miss out on great >>music >>(like what Barbara Manning makes) just because you don't agree with >>what >>they think of Liz? That sounds pretty childish and stupid to me. What >>would >>you do if you read an interview where one of your favorite bands said >>they >>hated Liz?? > >>Vasant > >I don't think it's dumb to not like an artist based on their >attitude. Music is all relative. No matter how much you hate a song, >there's someone who likes it, or else it would have never been >written. Do you mean that artists write songs in order to get someone to like them? I disagree with this. I think most artists write songs because they love music and that's how they express themselves. I think they make songs, present them to the public, and let them decide whether they like it or not. It's like any art form. Yes, there are exceptions, and yes, it's great when people like your songs, but I don't think that's the main motivating factor. >By the way, Liz Phair IS my favourite singer, so your last question >doesn't apply. If you'll note, I said "one of your favorite bands," not "your favorite." I'm assuming you like other artists besides Liz. BTW, I haven't heard that much of Barbara Manning's music. I'm just sort of playing devil's advocate. My main point is that it's not fair to yourself to deny yourself good music for somewhat sketchy reasons. Vasant ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:20:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig King Subject: Lilith and stuff Looks like I'm going to try and go to Detroit for Lilith to see Liz on August 17(?)!!!! Anyone else planning on going? Spaceeggy Katie? Any Lounge Axers wanna go? Jase? KB? Jorge? Janet? Jill? Anyone? We should try get a big gathering for that show so that we can have a bunch of list members there to support Liz. Lets make it happen! I agree with Jase about not caring what other people think about Liz or any other certain artist. It's what you like that counts. There are plenty of bands that I listen to that my friends hate, and I really don't care. Ministry, Anthrax, Slayer, and Megadeth come to mind. Even Liz. But that doesn't stop me from listening to them. In fact in makes me appreciate them more cuz I feel like their my own little secret and that everyone else is missing out. Your not gonna please everyone, so it really doesn't matter. Craig "AdRock" Phair Territory http://phairterritory.freeservers.com "Mr. PPV" RVD 4:20 says I just smoked your ass _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:32:19 -0700 From: "dana" Subject: for the record (i sent this yersterday, but it didn't make it; i don't know what happened, but anyway...) (on babs again): i guess i was just really taken aback that this "senstive," critically acclaimed artist would say something like that to the press (as someone also elaborated on in yesterday's post). to me it shows no grace. and, yes, i considered that it was taken out of context (i'm sure most of us can do that), but still it's just such a bitter, bitter comment. and, like they said in the post i just mentioned, it's like barbara can't see anything good in liz's work, which is utterly preposterous. it's just ignorant. it really did make me change the way i see her. liz doesn't do that shit, which is amazing because she herself is "heads and shoulders" above, like, 98% of artists out there in terms of writing. she could easily, with total cred, diss on other artists. but she doesn't. think about *that* context. i wasn't expecting such fierce responses to something i thought was *interesting* but you gotta let people say things. it's a forum. like courtney being a "crackwhore slut"; i mean, we all know that's not *documented* anywhere as such....that post was actually pretty humorous. at least that's how i took it. anyway, for those of y'all who want to check out a very cool music site where you can make you own CDs, go here: http://www.cductive.com. it's an "underground" music site featuring indie/alt, club music, and electronica. stuff you hear in clubs but you never know the name....tres, tres cool. i guess you listen to samples and compile your own CD, title it, and they ship it to you in, like, 2 days. anyone ever done this? later, (oh, dan, that was not me who made that comment; it was the person responding to what i had posted. for the record.) dp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:43:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Sara MacKinnon Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #123 Hola, Support Sytemers! I just haven't posted in a while, so I thought I'd poke in and say hi. I got my WCSE CD's (I LOVE KEN LEE!) and I am totally loving them. I love new songs. Speaking of new songs and concerts and stuff... Although Liz is playing like 3 Boston-area shows, i don't think I am going to any of them. I am such an asshole. She's not playing any shows you can get to by T and I have no car!!! I had to leave a G Love show an hour early to make a train a couple of weeks ago. that was so sad. Oh, yeah - I did have a point... Would someone mind telling me the story behind the "Fuck you Gary Gersh..." title? I remember there was a story behind it, I just don't know it. Ok, I think I might be done now. I'll let all you Bostonians know if I end up going to the shows- maybe we can meet up before. -Sara MacK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:32:07 -0700 From: baggytrousers@mindspring.com Subject: when we were wee heya everyone i need some help...(im hoping theres some grammar school teachers or mums with young kids on the list) does anyone remember when you were in kindegarden and you made the plaster of paris mold (or alternately the posterpaint imprint) of your hand(s) for your mum and it had the poem about you may leave all the fingefprints/handprints on the windows and walls now but mum will look back and wonder where her baby went when they got older...or something along that lines....does anyone still have this and they could send me the poem (i need it before monday if possible)...i know my mum still has mine somewhere but i think its in the attic and its probably over 100F up there right now and im not sure what box it would be in so thats the last resort.... if you have it and could send it privately id appreciate it... thanks roberta ICQ #27407066 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I may be an adult now but i was shocked to find out how much of my youthful idiocy was still entact .....you may be part of society now from the eyes of a 15-year old but I'm completely still sitting on the fence between in and out, and us and them. -Liz Phair ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:05:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Plona Subject: Web Ring insert Liz Phair is no longer indie rock, and I'd like to pronounce her as rivot rock (small claw)(down low). Hey thanks. ,Cphen _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:49:50 EDT From: Emerald314@aol.com Subject: Liz @ NYU Well it's a day later so this will probably be after a lot of other posts about this show, so I won't get into any details. I'll just say that Liz was incredible, I had a great view of the stage and it was my most exciting Liz concert experience. I really liked "Firewalker" a lot. At the part where she sings "Like joy, like joy" and goes up really high I got chills. Awesome. I also met a fellow support-system person while I was waiting in line to get in. I knew she must be on the list when I heard her talking about Nicole's story about the "troll girl" singing Fuck and Run in the hallway. :) Anyway, just wanted to mention that because it was the first time I'd ever met someone from the list. Oh, and one more thing. This is to John Kim: I read your post where you mentioned Liz giving you the punk rock sign. I was standing pretty close to you during the show because I saw you give her the sign and then Liz do it back and I was like, Wow, he's lucky. Of course I didn't know it was you at the time. :) But I just wanted to say that I thought what you said about Liz stealing the shaking people's hands at the edge of the stage thing from Natalie Merchant was a little off-base. I mean, I've been to a lot of concerts (including Natalie Merchant) and many of the artists have done that, not just her. And I bet they didn't all steal it from her either. I think it's nice, and if I had been in the front row and gotten to shake Liz's hand, I doubt that I would have cared who she "stole" it from or how "fake" it seemed. But of course you are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine. Anyway, I thought the show was great, and that's really all I meant to post about! ~Emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:57:43 PDT From: "Katie Brown" Subject: Phair '85 hello hello hello getting pumped for 2-3 Liz shows this weekend! still not sure about Worchester... *holding up one finger* who's got my miracle? one ticket pleeeeeease.... that was the only bad thing about Dead tours, either being harassed for a ticket, or being forced to harass others for your own. 'course i was like fifteen.... anyhooooo LIZ PAINTING yes, that is what i wanted to write about my sister maura is graduating from Oberlin on Memorial Day and she was telling me about this house that Liz lived in. my sis read an article that indicated that Liz left a bunch of shit in the basement there and maura went to check it out. There is a painting (above a mantle-place type thing) of a woman in a dark alley, standing over a garbage can in flames. in the painting, the woman is dancing around the fire. the words Phair '85 appear in the corner of the painting. so i am going to take a picture of it when i am there, if maura isn't being psycho that weekend, she used to love Liz and now she is disappointed by wcse, thinks Liz turned preppy-mom, which is a whole messy sibling arguement that i can't win, not with her. ummm, yeah, cool about the painting, huh? if i see all three shows this weekend, it will be my 8th, 9th and 10th time seeing Liz. My boyfriend told me he's not going to pick me up at the station if i get booked for stalking. what a guy, huh? can't wait to see her and all of you people too! anyone else wanna meet for a beer before the wellesley show tomorrow night, i think we'll be at Union Street in Newton Center, they have really good food too and it's 10 minutes from the show. i'll be in a long purple checked skirt with glitter all over my face. that's e-nuff outta me KB (that rhymed) _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:01:16 -0500 From: "bh" Subject: From: "bh" Why do people keep dissing Barbara Manning? That SF Seals album "Truth Walks in Sleepy Shadows" kicks ass! (especially "Ipecac"!) Those fuckers at Matador dropped her though after her last record didn't sell anything again... It's a shame.... The rumour mill here in Chicago has it that Leroy "The Man" Bach is now playing keyboards (?!?!) for Wilco.... I didn't even know he played keys... ! In 5-Style, that Lonesome Organist guy played keys... maybe it rubbed off... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:24:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Nicole W." Subject: shakin in me boots and other topics... WAAAAAAH TOMORROW COME NOW! NOW!!! If it was 24 hours from now, oh how happy i'd be... aaaaaa!!! Sorry... getting a little excited... Guess what? Well I'm transferring schools this fall... well summer actually. And I'm living in this co-op next year, and I have a roommate but I don't know her. ANyway, I sent an e-mail to her, and I mentioned my Liz website and liz and stuff, and she wrote back and said she loved (liked? I dont' remember the exact word) Liz as well! Party time!! About the setlists... I don't see what hte big deal is about them either. I have had the opp to get one at Liz's shows before, but they are just computer printouts... I don't know. I dont' think she does anything to them except the one that she is looking at. She looks at it. But all that matters is what makes you happy. All I'm saying is I probalby won't be fighting anyone if i don't get a setlist, in fact, i probalby won't try to get one, unless i have trouble writing down the setlist, cuz i need it for my site. HAHA! I remember a dream i had last night. It was the 5th of May and I was at some cinco de mayo celebration, and i started singing "Cinco de Mayo" and then some dude was singing along, and we were bonding. But he was a nerd. Not that I'm implying there's a problem with nerds. I'm a nerd too. but this guy was the bad kind of nerd. Like a dork. Anyway... blah blah blah. I feel so... like... this digest is like the what's the word? oh forget it. OH FUCK! Some girl was IMing me. She had gone to the NYU Show and had the setlist, and i fucking closed the window beofre i copied hte setlist. Does anyone know it? ALso... people i'm missing alot of setlists. go to... http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DontWalk/tour.html and if you have any of the setlists i'm missing... e-mail me!!!! thanks. Later, Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:27:31 -0500 From: "Joseph H. Weber" Subject: Opinions (SS 122) Hey there all: Bravo Jase for expressing your opinion. I concur totally. Quite a long post by ye, but some good words. I salute you. The Marpusal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:49:11 -0500 From: "Joseph H. Weber" Subject: SS 122 Hey there again: This is in reply to John Kim. I didn't realize that punk rock had a symbol. I came from the old school of hardcore/punk rock back in the 80's, and although I have lost the look the music still jams as hard as ever. Back then there were no symbols. To say that you wish anyone's career to end, whether you like them or not, is a pretty awful thing to say. You don't have to like anyone's creeds, music, etc., but you should respect them (unless what they do hurts someone in some way). I hope you were being sarcastic. The Marpusal ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #124 ************************************