From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #121 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, April 28 1999 Volume 02 : Number 121 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Crack and Greenville is damn far away [Dennis Junkoo Kim ] Re: Barbara Manning [Vasant Ramamurthy ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #120 [ashilhanek@marceline.k12.mo.us (Andrew] Richmond? and another Phamous Phan [Mike Connolly ] 411 on 'W' mag [jan gyn ] blood keeper real audio ["JeNnY sAyLeR" ] what the fuck lilith fair??? ["JeNnY sAyLeR" ] J'ai guru deva........om:-) [mhuisman ] [none] ["dana" ] Doing back flips over a setlist [AngelLieb@aol.com] Firewalker, Liz experience, NC show [Suzanne Walsh ] Owen Guerrini [Suzanne Walsh ] where liz iz [Tokeepme@aol.com] Searching for Spaceeggy Katie [AngelLieb@aol.com] *a vision quest through EIG* ["Jaime" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 02:06:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Junkoo Kim Subject: Crack and Greenville is damn far away On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, support-system-digest wrote: (wouldn't it be mildly amusing if someone subscribed to this digest with the name "support-system-digest?" ok, maybe not) > >From: Dennis Junkoo Kim > >Subject: Nicole W. > >Are you always like that? When i read your posts, one word comes to > >mind..."crack". Not that's it's a bad thing. > > When I read this post, one word came to mind: "ouch." What do you > mean it's not a bad thing? Have you ever met a crack fiend and been > impressed by them? I've never met a crack fiend, but I've seen the > movies. I'm not flattered by this at ALL, man! Watch yo'self! I'm NOT > on crack, and umm... never HAVE been. I'm just naturally fucked up... so > therefore... like you attribute it to a chemical, and then i get all sad, > like everyone thinks I'm on drugs but it's just me being normal, and now I > feel like I can't be normal anymore. Sigh. But how does one fake > normalcy? i don't know. > Ok. First of all, I apologize for saying that. In my circle, "on crack" is always taken metaphorically. It's like saying something smells like heaven or hurts like a motherfucker. Literally, it doesn't really mean what it sounds like. It just means that, geez, i don't think i've ever seen posts quite resembling yours since the days of yore when there were BBSes and most of them only had one incoming phone line and ran TAG and WWIV and Wildcat. > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:59:17 PDT > >From: "robert joyner" > Subject: 4-26-99 Greenville Review > > Liz Phair In Greenville, NC 4-26-99 > Damn, you beat me to the punch. It took my friend, Jennifer and I an hour and 45 minutes to get to Greenville and and hour and a half to get back to Raleigh. Got to see most of David Meade. He wasn't all that bad, the band was technically good, but everytime he played a song, I asked myself "Where have I heard this song before?" And your description is apt, except he surreally reminds me of my rock climbing buddy. And i think he's the freakish seventh son of a coupling between Jeff Buckley and the lead singer of a ska band (explaining the suits). And they seemed incredibly rich. They had some very nice equipment. We had fifth row end seats, i had a great view until the people went up to the stage, so i was forced to abandon my seat and gyrate standing up. I think her top was a blue, skintight, braless number. And the skirt wasn't quite mini, that would give a rather interesting view from front and center. Wouldn't it be interestng to be her teenage stepson? Television sitcoms come to mind. The crowd was sparse, but they were mostly civil, except for a couple of rabid setlist stealers...Shortest concert crowd i'd seen in ages... The new drummer is cool... Anyone else think there's a weird high pitched quality to her voice when she sings live? Like her voice in the Girlysounds version of Stratford on Guy. "Look...look to your left, passengers." She actually gave that guy a kiss on the cheek. he was ecstatic. I was one of two asian guys, i was the one in the Tanya Donelly shirt. (The ECU crowd was strangely homogenous...) > > If anyone booted this show please contact me. I would give like my > first born for boot of this show. > > Robert Joyner > Yeah, me too. You don't mind me bogarting your firstborn, do you, Rob? - --- "Your manuscript is both good and original, but the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." -Samuel Johnson "A'nta baka?" -Asuka d. www4.ncsu.edu/~djkim2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:50:09 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "laura nappi" Subject: new songs. i need to get my hands on some of the new songs. if anyone could help me out i would really appreciate it. thanks kids. love.laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 03:32:11 -0400 From: Vasant Ramamurthy Subject: Re: Barbara Manning >From: "Bad Dreams" >>Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:38:20 -0700 >>From: "dana" >>Subject: beg me > >>jewel....whatever. > >>someone's got a site where other artists comment on our lovely miss >>liz and >>barbara manning, who i *used* to like, totally disses her, saying >>stuff like >>"i'm heads and shoulders above liz phair in terms of writing..." >>lahh, >>blah, blah. and i was like, "then how come no one knows who the fuck >>you >>are?" bad move, barbara. and she's on matador, too. oh, and courtney >>love is >>like "well, she [liz] reminds me of a potato...." oh, well. the sad >>fact is >>courtney's nowhere near as smart as she thinks she is. nyaaa! > > This is a rant in reference to the above message, where Liz gets >bashed. > >First of all, Barbara Manning, who the fuck is Barbara Manning? No >seriously who is she? Sounds like 60-year-old politician/tightass. Not even close. Barbara Manning is an indie singer/songwriter (a la Mary Lou Lord and Lois), and she was the former leader of the San Francisco Seals. >I proposed we ban all "artists" who bash Liz, have shitlists on your >websites, don't buy their albums even if you want to, just to get them >back. That's really, really dumb. Why would you want to miss out on great music (like what Barbara Manning makes) just because you don't agree with what they think of Liz? That sounds pretty childish and stupid to me. What would you do if you read an interview where one of your favorite bands said they hated Liz?? Vasant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:06:39 -0600 From: ashilhanek@marceline.k12.mo.us (Andrew Shilhanek) Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #120 Does anyone have an official Liz tour date guide? I can never find any tour information. Thanks - -"She picked out a book of poems and handed it to me. Written by an Italian poet from the 15th century. Well everyone of them words rang true. Pouring off of every page like it was written in my soul from me to you - Tangled up in Blue. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:20:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Connolly Subject: Richmond? and another Phamous Phan > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:59:17 PDT > From: "robert joyner" > Liz said when she played > in Richmond VA she was mindful of her songs because > all the crowd seemed aghast by her lyrics. Really? Mindful of the lyrics? Didn't stop her from singing unedited versions of "Supernova," "Johnny Feelgood," and of course "Flower" at the Landmarke Theatre when she opened for Morrissette. Or maybe she was talking about another Richmond VA show. On a different note, I found out Friday that Ben Folds is a big Liz Phair fan. Heard from a reliable source (someone on this college tour with him, who obviously has to remain anonymous because I've been promised more dirt) that during "All's Fair," originally released on _Whatever And Ever, Amen_, Folds actually sings "Ah, Liz Phair" instead of "All is fair." True story - wouldn't make it up. === Mikey C Va Beach "Kenny G is releasing his new Christmas album this week. Happy birthday, Jesus! Hope you like crap!" - - Norm McDonald _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:35:47 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: 411 on 'W' mag The 'W' mag with a full page Liz pic is the May 1999 issue, with model Gisele Bundchen in a layered mesh Jil Sander top and the words 'Frock Stars' on the cover. The section with Liz is called 'Top of the Pops', pgs 190-213. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:25:38 -0500 From: "JeNnY sAyLeR" Subject: blood keeper real audio THanks to Sean, I now have a much better version of Blood Keeper on my site. http://www.liz-phair.com go there, download it because it takes up a lot of room on the server and I will have to delete it soon. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ * Cool, Tall, Vulnerable, and Luscious - http://www.liz-phair.com Vampyr - A Buffy the Vampire Slayer Page http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/vampyr.htm *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:09:11 -0500 From: "JeNnY sAyLeR" Subject: torn? >If people really >want to hear it, let me know and I'll toss an MP3 up on my website I would like to hear this song. I dont know who wrote this, but let me know if you get an mp3 up please =) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ * Cool, Tall, Vulnerable, and Luscious - http://www.liz-phair.com Vampyr - A Buffy the Vampire Slayer Page http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/vampyr.htm *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:26:27 -0500 From: "JeNnY sAyLeR" Subject: what the fuck lilith fair??? No Liz at Lilith?? And if that weren't bad enough, no FL dates?? Dammit all to hell, I am so frustrated with getting the goddam short end of the stick with concerts. Lilith went to Fl last year, why not this year??? ArGH!!!! jenny (mad as hell, and I am not gonna take it anymore!) *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ * Cool, Tall, Vulnerable, and Luscious - http://www.liz-phair.com Vampyr - A Buffy the Vampire Slayer Page http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/vampyr.htm *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:15:02 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Cooper Subject: Lilith Fair Hi fellow Liz lovers, I was very disappointed today when I visited the Lilith Fair website and saw that Liz did not seem to be participating in it this year. That's too bad b/c it would have been my dream concert to see Liz Phair and Sheryl Crow in one night. Besides Sheryl and Sarah, the line-up, at least in the Midwest, looks pretty weak. The Dixie Chicks and Deborah Cox are headliners in Chicago, Milwaukee and Indianapolis-all of the three I'd possibly attend. What is up with that? I hope it's better in other parts of the country, I didn't look up all of the dates but I don't think I'll be going this year since I just saw Sheryl 4 days ago. Oh well I just wanted to bitch about the disappointing line-up, esp. the absence of Liz part. Jen "And don't you know, no matter where you go somebody's always watching you," Sheryl Crow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:05:33 -0400 From: mhuisman Subject: J'ai guru deva........om:-) hey all My first time posting in awhile but I'm here again! I dunno who said this but: >First there was Nirvana, then came Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and who else? I seem to recall hearing a band by the name of 'The Beatles' before! Anyone else?:-) I think they started it all! Marlie - -- "When I cannot sing my heart....I can only speak my mind" - John Lennon 'Julia' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:34:04 -0700 From: "dana" Subject: [none] [...who the fuck is Barbara Manning? No seriously who is she? Sounds like 60-year-old politician/tightass. Second of all, Courtney Love, reminds me of a... what do you call it? Oh yeah Crackwhore slut, who is only where she is right now because of Kurt Cobain....] "ev-ry-thing-you-say-is-so-ob-no-xious-fun-ny-true-and-mean...." fuckin' crack me up, why don't 'cha? i didn't know who barbara manning was until i heard something of hers on this compilation CD called "no alternative." this was years ago ('92?). her song was called "joed out" and i liked it; it had a low-key sorta country-ish sound and lyrics were angst-ridden in a quiet, oblique way. much like liz, although, of course, i didn't know that then. anyway, when i read barbara's comment i couldn't help but feel that she knew liz had beat her at her own game (unintentionally and brazenly--and i'm sure liz never heard of barbara manning either; probably still hasn't). barbara lives in the san fran area, i guess. and she's on matador, too. and she's bitter..... i sat in 27D once. so, was the binghamton show outside?? holy shit! that's insane; i can't believe that... that commentary on the state of rock was right on.... dp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:54:25 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Doing back flips over a setlist Jorge wrote: "What's so great about a set list? List members seem to do back flips when they get one." Great question, since I tend to go nutso when it comes to concerts. I try to get something from each concert to remember it, if I don't get something, usually some weird experience happens that makes me remember. One time I ended up in the backyard of the Tori Amos concert and ended up getting yelled at by the security people. Boy, don't I love them. Been yelled at, shoved around by them so many times. Oh well....guess I might was well confess that I did steal a cup from the House of Blues when I was there one time. Of course, my collection is kinda large with all of my stolen goodies (shhh!) and free stuff, but it's not that exciting anymore. The only that's exciting about the setlist I got is for the fact it's autographed. blah blah.. Anyhoo...no Liz for this year's Lilith Fair. It's ohk, perhaps she'll head back to the studio to record another album? Thanks to everyone who answered my question about Liz's husband. Amazing adventures in shopping today, I did indeed find a copy of of the W mag, but no Liz! May issue I guess. Oh well, really ticked me off that I found it at the book store I called a few days ago! Might want to check out the Uncut April issue if you want. You get a "free" cd when you buy the mag and guess who is on it! Liz Phair with Big Tall Man! There are other artists on the cd too. Cranberries anyone? Poor Delores O'Riordan Burton was nervous when she was talking to Rosie O'Donnell today. Reminded me so much of Liz in some way. Great performance, but no couch time. Their new cd, Bury the Hatchet quite interesting. Different from the other three. Enough from me, KL ();) NP: The Cranberries, Bury the Hatchet ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:16:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzanne Walsh Subject: Firewalker, Liz experience, NC show Keely wrote: - ---------------------------------- Katie said : I can grow 'cause life is all we know you might not recognize me tomorrow yes I can change this life already strange you find that something's changed and beautiful I thought that they said: Yes, I can grow despite all you know You might not recognize me tomorrow Yes I can change despite all they say become something strange and beautiful. like joy.... - ------------------------------------- I'm gonna have to back up my pal Keely on this one. I heard the despite or maybe "in spite". I only remember the chorus and for a couple days after the concert I had that line in my head and I sang "in spite of all they know...." Speaking of Firewalker, everyone keeps talking about which of the new songs are their favorite and everyone says "don't apologize" but I'm gonna have to go with Firewalker. I really got into this song in Minneapolis and then at the Iowa concert I paid close attention to the lyrics cuz I remembered how cool it was and I loved it even more! I mean, don't apologize was cool and all but Firewalker is more my kind of Liz song...anyone else feel the same way? I had a Liz experience the other day cuz I was over at my friends house and her brother was home from college so for the first time since I've known her, her brother's room light was on. And I walked by his room without looking in it and I got a foot past it and I was like...."am I seeing Liz Phair??" So I turned around and looked in his room and he had like 3 pictures of Liz hanging on his wall!! My friend couldn't understand why I was so excited! I have such a newfound respect for her brother... Robert Joyner: the NC show sounds so awesome! If you or anyone else on this list acquires a tape of the show I'd love to get a copy!! === The one and only, Suzanne Explain It To Me http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Hall/9429 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:18:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzanne Walsh Subject: Owen Guerrini Owen Guerrini: I tried to email you and my computer said it couldn't locate the server or something so I'm gonna try emailing you from my other email address. Sorry to do this on the list! Suzanne _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:36:13 EDT From: Tokeepme@aol.com Subject: where liz iz <> i'm going to the providence show, i should prolly go to the mass shows too but right now it's only providence cuz thats 15 mins away. if anyone wants to pick me out at the show, my hair is mostly red, with blue and yellow stripes in the front. say hi if yr there. hopefully i'll be at the front. ~aly. http://come.to/thatdog ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:25:06 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Searching for Spaceeggy Katie Warrant issued for Spaceeggy Katie. Reason: Excessive posting. Eeek! ():- 0 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:39:52 -0400 From: "Jaime" Subject: *a vision quest through EIG* Okay I am going through EIG... OKAY IF YOU WISH TO TAKE A TRIP WITH ME--- SPARK em UP and GET READY... ready? ok, now ready? ok.... READY??? OKAY PUT IN EIG... NOW. quick! push play!!! Okay, now perhaps this will make sense for you...Now dont read to fast... read slow and mellow...like you're a bad typist (like me)... 6'1"-- she's gritty in this song... for lack of a better word... A little defensive, a little bit pissed... yet still reserved. this song sounds like she just got over a relationship... not just got out, but months, maybe years after a breakup--- just realizing she's free. liz angst. Help Me Mary-- soothing... A view of Liz sharing a home... liz in society? This song is so cool. She is so pissed at the end, but keeps that soothing voice... It sounds like a warning... "pitbull in a basement"-- more later. Glory-- feels like a memory... or maybe a drunken splendor... or maybe she is keeping her voice low, so not to wake the neighbors/boyfriend/cat... so short. Dance of The Seven Veils-- She is louder more strong in this song... still somber... zombie-wife? yeah... kinda. they high-pitched princess voice... then melding back into the dark voice...princess..."rent me"??? then a whispery ending... like march (in like a lion-out like an lamb) hmm... ok nevermind Never Said-- Monotone... catchy song... sounds like she's on stage in a club... having fun...Do you believe her? Did she say anything? I dont think she did... but she sounds too sly and she uses a double negative... rebel song... she's tough. "no, not to anyone...." *sure liz* wink-wink SoapStarJoe-- This song seems to be all about intrigue... except she knows he is average..."check out the dashboard lights---glowing all green and white" "explain it to me"-- whip it-- whip it good? feminazi --- love the long beats fading at the end... canary- I love this song, because the beginning reminds me of being a kid... sounds like she's at piano lessons... parent angst? ah.. scary liz angst..."send it up on fire, dusk/death before dawn"?? Mesmerizing-- She is pissed. You can tell just how she feels even though she uses her monotone voice. I love that. My old roommate hated her monotone voice... ***Okay SMOKE ROACHES HERE*** intermission. dont push pause... but if you have too be real quick... FuckAndRun-- She really sounds sorry. Kinda desperate in a cute way..."letters and sodas" -- she acts like her sexuality is a curse... "with or without my best intentions" maybe not her sexuality, but her detachment. I love the picture on the back of this CD... okay and she says 17 and no one freaks, but whenever she says 12... a chill runs down my spine... anyone else get this?? 12 yr old just should not be having sex. ick. But 17-- acceptable...strange that she threw that in... girls!girls!girls!-- I always took this song as a feminazi song... but now I think it could be a warning... or maybe a stalking song... kreepy liz... Anyone ever notice the really SPOOKY voices in the background of the song? they come in before liz-- un like a background singer...odd. I wish I could separate the two and listen to them better. Divorce Song-- pretty explanatory...girl anthem. "you put in my hand a loaded gun and told me not to fire it" I LOVE the way she says --and the "LI-Cen-se" said..-- shatter-- I feel like i'm in the tub...underwater...floating... flying... falling asleep while driving... in the rain... hitting puddles... hydroplaning... drowning... flailing... slowly giving up and then you realize it was a dream and you slowy come out of a coma... "You made it, your fine, just some cuts and bruises"... and liz speaks up, from behind the cloud... and she remembers..."and i know I will carry with me for a long, long time" ... flutter..."fast enough..." She is floating away... this is kind of a drunk feeling song... "or high enough..." kinda fuzzy like being drunk... or *stoned*... "maybe..."... flower-- sticky... spider type song... scary-stalker-female rapist song. Monotone liz taking over..."i'll fuck you and your minions too" -- they never should have changed that...I know a guy I'd sing this too... johnny sunshine-- jumps in real fast... muffled liz voice... i feel so bad for her in this song. she is alone! and living out of a box... been hurt so badly... Poor Liz! If I were Johnny Sunshine... I'd want to die right now. he mustve felt like shit. "i'm alone... baby i'm alone... i'm alone... baby I;m alone" "johnny sunshine, you left me nothing, you left me nothing" gunshy-- trippy again...what is it with these party songs? i know i'm super stoned... "take out the garbage on tuesday nights" It isnt my fault "gunshy" super-spooky. the echoing "wife" freaks me out. - --and then there you are-- in the sky-- stratford-on-guy-- "on a screen... the earth looked like it was lit from within" drifting...she is trippy in this one too... i love it when she says "noise" and "vid-E-O" "along with those eyes that you get when your circumstances are movie-sized" -- Okay? Is she stoned ? "it took an hour, maybe a day?" yah sounds like shes stoned. Is she??? strange-loop?-- "the fire you like so much in me" I love this song... and I could loop it all day and not get sick of it... She is raw and has some emotion on this one... "I cant be true... but I only wanted more than i knew" Did she cheat? did she cry writing this song? "baby I'm tired of fighting" -- she really sounds tired of fighting. I bet she'd been up all night. and then it musically drifts of in a chaotic melody... kinda soothing like an ending in a movie... the credits go here... Ack so there it is... the journey through EIG through *jaime-vision* 4-27-99 and we end our vision quest. End EIG. ~jaime* "hey! the old hippie likes me!" --that girl. P.S. If you hate this let me know...ha. ~ If you are going to the Providence Liz show (5/2) I am up for a match session before the show... if you are interested... email me... we'll meet up.~ <>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>: ~"I know all I need to know, I know how much girl to go..."~ -- 'Animal Girl' --Liz Phair ~"It is recorded that Chinese Taoist recommended the addition of cannabis to their incense burners in the 1st century as a means of achieving immortality."~ <>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>:<>: ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #121 ************************************