From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #105 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, April 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 105 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Levis pic [Alice Springs ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] liz in levis ["Bad Dreams" ] where did you go? to hell just as i was told. [MrE ] Kosovo relief?I'm such an idiot!! [mhuisman ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #104 [JJewelbaby@aol.com] GRAND RAPIDS SHOW [Dan ] huh? magazine ad? ["Stacey Wirt" ] Liz in Levi's [AngelLieb@aol.com] [none] ["JeNnY sAyLeR" ] dekalb [Msmrizing2@aol.com] Re: Pot [kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko)] Re: pot - take 2 [kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko)] don't binge on snozzberries or you'll have to purge on your teacher... [] please excuse my dyslexia [rlew ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #104 [Biggerd000@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 23:04:15 -0700 From: Alice Springs Subject: Levis pic <<"So, my friend passed along the pic. of Liz Phair in the Levi's ad. Not bad. I forgot what magazine she found it in. Liz has her hair piled up on her head and is looking in a mirror, showing off her flat tummy. The ad shows women from Lilith Fair in Levi's clothes." Anyone know which mag this is in???>> Okay, I think I got mine from "Entertainment Weekly" from a while back. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:48:38 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Al" Subject: Help Me Mary >From: Seena >Subject: Catholic > >I have always wondered what Liz meant by Help Me Mary please >also. I'm soo sure its Mary-J. I really don't think Liz is a Catholic. >Also, Catholics don't usually word their prayers that way, they simply ask >Mary to pray for them. OK, I've read many interpretations of what this song is about and I believe I have the answer. ;) As we all probably know by now, Liz made EIG in response to the male dominated indie scene, right? Well, this song is kind of like a prayer to the catholic icon of Mary about her struggles as a female songwriter trying to make it in this particular industry. I also thought I read somewhere that that is what this song is about. I'm not sure if I read a Liz interview or if someone else on this digest had mentioned it before, but I do think that is what this song is about. Help me, Mary, please I've lost my home to thieves They bully the stereo and drink They leave suspicious stains in the sink They make rude remarks about me They wonder just how wild I would be As they egg me on and keep me mad They play me like a pit bull in a basement, and for that... (The next few lines I think could be about the songs off the Girlysounds) I lock my door at night I keep my mouth shut tight I practice all my moves I memorize their stupid rules I make myself their friend I'll show them just how far I can bend As they egg me on and keep me mad They play me like a pit bull in a basement, and for that... I'm asking you, Mary, please Temper my hatred with peace Weave my disgust into fame (thank you Mary for that!) And watch how fast they run to the flame All of this "They" the song is referring to are those same males who dominated the scene. What do ya'll think? Al ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 00:13:24 PDT From: "Bad Dreams" Subject: liz in levis "So, my friend passed along the pic. of Liz Phair in the Levi's ad. Not bad. I forgot what magazine she found it in. Liz has her hair piled up on her head and is looking in a mirror, showing off her flat tummy. The ad shows women from Lilith Fair in Levi's clothes." Anyone know which mag this is in??? It's in vogue june 1998, I can scan it in if anyone wants it, but let me know ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:10:00 +0000 From: MrE Subject: where did you go? to hell just as i was told. >>From: mhuisman >>Subject: Kosovo Relief >>My name is Marlie Huisman... Any information on >>your donations policy and what you do would be >>greatly appreciated ...firstly, in that i retain within my bosom (not plural) a certain and albeit cautious degree of humanity, please allow me to applaud your concern for the great and far flung masses, the seemingly endless cycle of dispair and degradation suffered by those of different origin, of supposed lesser gender, of both radically different as well as surprisingly sililiar doctrine...the list of those having been cast down and aside, the all to often forgotten or at the very least passed over souls lengthening with each new day, the sun's warmth reduced to drying the bloodshed of a night most will never know and almost none will ever remember. keep your heart where it is...but never forget that human suffering and neglect is never further than down the street. and having thusly spoken, any and all charitible contributions will be readily and with post haste accepted by the 'Free Heidi Foundation', a cause chaired (not shared) by "your's" truly, provided of course, that you have cash... ahem... "happy birthday to liz and your new playboy pic i must say i got a kick oughta you and those naked chicks... and many more" ok, everybody now...sing it like it makes sense! 'HAPPY BIRTHDAY... ...and the survey would only confuse you, or at the very least, me. >>"I'll get you high" --L.P. >>~Jaime* ...so, tell me there ain't no more than coffee holding holding up those baggy ass presidential eyes and then we'll discuss the economic significance of aledging a war on drugs...and... >>Boy I need to get to bed! >>KL ();) ...goodnight, i'll catch up with you just as soon as clinton wears off. MrE ~~ "...and so castles made of sand - slips into the sea - eventually." "and so i sung my song to Mr Jimi - and he had one word for me and that was this - he said - you can't always get what you want..." :~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:41:57 +0000 From: MrE Subject: liz related playboy news and views, well,maybe less news than views. ATTN: THIS IS AN OPEN LETTER (actually a combination of letter) TO CHARLIZE THERON! COME HOME! my home...please? not that i would notice, but, damn... timber MrE ~~ "...and so castles made of sand - slips into the sea - eventually." "and so i sung my song to Mr Jimi - and he had one word for me and that was this - he said - you can't always get what you want..." :~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~:~: (but if you try sometime - you just might find - you just might find, charlize theron) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:59:44 +0800 From: Elisa Ghisalberti Subject: EIG - 18th best of the '90s? I should have posted this earlier but anyway, in an Australian magazine called JUICE they published what they thought were the 100 Greatest Albums of the '90s and EIG was number 18. Here's what it said: "Liz is often imagined as a slut because she sings about blow jobs and sings the word fuck," says producer Brad Wood. "They miss the whole point." Phair's debut album, Exile in Guyville, set the songwriter up as a brash woman who had the talent and smarts to back her bravado up. Exile... came about after the Chicago native spent her days listening to male friends talk about the state of music, alienating thei pal from their discussions. And so Phair took on the most male of bands, the Rolling Stones, and answered their classic Exile on Main Street with a record full of biting lyrics and unique chord progressions that haven't been matched by any girls since. Perhaps the oonly woman to sing, "I want to fuck you like a dog." Best Bit: Phair's defiant confessions, not in "Fuck and Run" but in "Mesmerizing." Elisa. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 11:34:01 -0400 From: mhuisman Subject: Kosovo relief?I'm such an idiot!! Hey guys So sorry about my message about kosovo relief....it was supposed to be sent to the red cross Sorry!:-) Marlie (PS...Liz was on this radio show 'Todays Women' this morning...anyone else hear it? She talked about touring and they played Polyester Bride. I have it on tape, but its only about 5 min long) Also, check out my Liz site for the new sound file of the week. Hopefully I'll have beginning to see the light and sometimes a dream...up in mp3 format soon http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/4522/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 13:10:55 EDT From: JJewelbaby@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #104 Hey everyone! I was wondering if Liz is doing a college tour right now? I thought I remembered someone posting something about it awhile ago, but that could have been in my head. . . SO! If anyone has any info about this, please let me know! I'm going to keep my fingers crossed and hope she comes to the lovely Ohio University! :) ~Julie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:57:51 -0400 From: Dan Subject: GRAND RAPIDS SHOW WOO HOOOO! I got my tickets for the Liz show in Grand Rapids, MICHIGAN at Fine ARts Center at Calvin College. Pretty damn excited. :) This is like, the 3rd pair of Liz tickets I have had since October...maybe this time I will actually get to see her. anyway, just wondering if anyone else from the list is going? see ya there. Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:59:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Stacey Wirt" Subject: huh? magazine ad? Somebody mentioned liz in a levis ad a few digests back.... What magazine are you talking about?? From the description it sounds like the same ad that was in Vogue or Bazaar over the summer..... It was to promote lilith or something....let me see if I can find it, hold on... ok, go to Ken's Mesmerizing site and look at pic number 110, or go to http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/page110.html is this the one? - -Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:07:29 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Liz in Levi's Jenny, I don't know if this helps, but I found this pic. http://student-www.uchicago.edu/orgs/mab/1998/lizphair/levis.jpg Katie ();) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:54:46 -0500 From: "JeNnY sAyLeR" Subject: [none] "Ah! I didn't read any of them, though, except for that Nancy McKeon one which was hysterical" Ha ha, thanks, but I have to give props to Nicole for starting that 80's tv star thing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny Cool, Tall, Vulnerable, and Luscious - http://www.liz-phair.com Vampyr - A Buffy the Vampire Slayer Page http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/vampyr.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:17:32 EDT From: Msmrizing2@aol.com Subject: dekalb im going to go see liz in dekalb tomorrow! yeah! no one else has mentioned that they are going to this show. am i going to be the only one with my name tag :( ? well, i watched "first love, lasts rights" today. they play erecting a movie star twice. did anyone else see this movie yet? what did you think? i havent really formed an opinion yet. i think there was some deep signifigant theme that maybe i didnt catch. oh well. I will be seeing liz in 24 hours! katie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 21:48:08 -0400 (EDT) From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko) Subject: Re: Pot Jaime wrote: "...if someone is in their own home... smoking pot... being somewhat responsible about it... I find nothing wrong with it. I dont care if they post to the list. Let's not go all crazy-evangelistic with this..." I wholeheartedly agree. It's all about individual liberty. And let's not forget that marijuana does much less harm than cocaine, heroin, and even good old alcohol. "That's why weed's illegal and drinking/smoking cigs is restricted... A few idiots let things get out of control... We cant forget that pot was legal in the 60's!" I know all about and respect the movement for non-Liz content and factual errors, but I have to say the reason why alcohol and tobacco are legal and marijuana is not is that Henry Anslinger was a rascist asshole (to make a long story very short). Also, marijuana was not legal in the 1960s. I strongly recommend the book Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts to anyone who might find themselves arguing about marijuana now or in the future. Knowledge is power. "Liz smokes/did smoke pot. We all know this-- and if we didn't, we do now." Yes! There's a good idea for a Liz webpage - collect all references Liz has made to pot in her music, interviews, etc. and archive them. I'm half-serious. I do apologize for the relatively little Liz content. Anyone going to the COLUMBUS SHOW who might want to hang out -- e-mail me. I'll be going with fellow non-threatening (or so he claims) Liz enthusiast Mark Schmidt. Or, just talk to the people in the front of the line. I'll be one of them. Steve You would legalize: "Marijuana, euthanasia, and streaking." ["If I Were President: Liz Phair" - George, Sept. 1998] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 22:05:07 -0400 (EDT) From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko) Subject: Re: pot - take 2 Oh, fuck! I spelled 'racist' wrong. I blame Web TV. Maybe the service would have a better reputation if they added a Spell Check. Ha. Emergency Liz content: Here's a terrific audio interview, courtesy of Joe from Nashville bulletin board: http://www.masslive.com/college/music/phair.html Phew. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 18:53:32 -0400 From: "Valerie J. Barry" Subject: don't binge on snozzberries or you'll have to purge on your teacher... katie b., i'm really sorry about your friend. i hate when my friends do coke and hope i never have to go through what you're going through. its and evil drug....be strong! and, following is a post i apparently sent to the wrong place last week, since i haven't seen it yet...perhaps outdatedm but oh well... Paul wrote: Valerie, You rock thanks...i like when people think i rock. you rock too. and, i'm so glad you realized that purging wasn't the answer. for a man to purge is rare, i think, but i have a formerly bulimic guy friend. hmmm....i personally have never tried it, and although it sometimes seems appealing for weight loss purposes, it can really do a number on your teeth. and Calliente... it's very cool that you have a teacher who even knows liz, regardless of her opinion (although i hope you set her straight!). i remember my teachers all being of a completely different generation, and it probably adds a whole different dimension to the high school expereience. i'm 27 and have a lot of friends my age who teach high school, and it must be strange to share musical taste, etc. with your students. they can't say "kids today, i'll tell ya..." b/c they were there less than 10 years ago. anyway, happy birthday, and thanks for the "ladies night" reference...it's one of my all time favorite songs and made me smile. "mmmmm...sophisticated mama...come on you disco baby..." maybe liz should cover that? and florida katie, thanks for clearing up the snozzberry thing...i can sleep at night again. and, for the record, i went to the picture of you and the sheryl crow band member, and you do not look anything like i had pictured you. this is not a bad thing at all, just an odd thing. well, that was entirely too much posting for one day, i'm actually starting to enjoy it... valerie *********************************************************** "...well look at me i'm frightening my friends..." - -Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 20:43:33 -0700 (PDT) From: rlew Subject: please excuse my dyslexia heh-heh. told you i was new at guitar tablature. i had inadvertently written the tab umop upisdn (ooooooh, you like that, don't you), so it was really hard to read. it'll all patched up now. unfortunately, i am not. i should have wcse and hurricane cindy done by the end of the week. nicole, please forgive me =] ...ray **************************************************************************** "I'm a wreck, I'm obsessed, I'm insane. Isn't that what you want me to say?" --Liz Phair the writings on the wall - http://www-scf.usc.edu/~rlew **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:47:41 EDT From: Biggerd000@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #104 well im not sure if this is how you post yr comments but i will find out i guess. any way i am a huge liz phair fan . i remember the first time i heard her. her video for never said nothin came on 120 minutes. it was when exile came out. i just love her. i recently got about half the girly sound demos which is very cool . if any one out there can get me the rest ti would be most appreciated. from dan or biggerd000@aol.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #105 ************************************