From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #88 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, March 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 088 Today's Subjects: ----------------- drugs! drugs! drugs! [Oh4sythia@aol.com] Hello my name is Support-System [Oh4sythia@aol.com] the Salts & the chocolate factory [Oh4sythia@aol.com] brad wood [baggytrousers@mindspring.com] Holidays, band names, and DC ticket request. [Michael Connolly ] birthday wishes from all ["Roper, Catherine E" ] Liz Phair interview [Terry & Donna McManus ] tour dates [Daniel Konnhauser ] Erecting lyrics, etc. ["Cynthia Nagle" ] FW: support-system-digest V2 #87 [Katie Brown ] blessing of the horses [MrE ] it's a steady job..... ["Paul Erickson" ] "HELLO MY NAME IS..." ["Paul Erickson" ] "you made the boys spring" ["Paul Erickson" ] Stratford-on-guy (EIG vs girlysound) ["Paul Erickson" ] you're invited [MrE ] Willy Willy Wonka, Willy Willy Wonka [mhuisman > I'm too tired to count now, so will someone tell me - how many Liz drug songs are there? I mean, really obvious ones? Or was Lucas just being facetious? Oh yes, I started out meaning to say - I like Wasted, myself. Leslie """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Love like you've never been hurt, work like you don't need the money, and dance like nobody's watching. And when you figure out how to do all 3, e-mail me pronto because I can't seem to do it.... """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 03:43:06 EST From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: Hello my name is Support-System the msmrizing Katie (one of many Katies) had a suggestion for identifying fellow list members at concerts: <> I am laughing so hard, but not in a bad way.... Katie, since people are always complaining that they can't tell one Katie from the other nowadays, may we call you HELLO MY NAME IS Katie? That would be meant affectionately, of course... Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 03:50:04 EST From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: the Salts & the chocolate factory Spaceeggy wrote: <> Uh, Veruca Salt pulled their name directly from the story of the wonka's chocolate factory. A surprising number of people recognize this reference immediately. For example, when v.s. was on Loveline (radio, not TV), Dr. Drew was perspicacious enough to note that in the orginal book, _Charlie and the Chocolate Factory_, Veruca the spoiled brat wanted a special squirrel, while in the movie you just watched, Veruca wanted a goose that layed golden eggs. (In case you were wondering, Veruca gets dumped down the garbage chute in both versions, and I am pretty sure that the Oompa Loompas sing about her demise in both versions, as well) ObLiz: and I can even relate it to the above - Veruca Salt's first album was produced by Brad Wood, Liz's revered producer who once posted to this very list you are now reading. Like Liz, they looked elsewhere for production help on later albums, but unlike Liz, they never saw the light and returned to him, and now they are dead (as a band, not individually). Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 04:04:01 -0800 From: baggytrousers@mindspring.com Subject: brad wood |ObLiz: and I can even relate it to the above - Veruca Salt's first album was |produced by Brad Wood, Liz's revered producer who once posted to this very theres a mix of a song called 'hug bubble' on a placebo single and its done by a brad wood..i wonder if its the same? roberta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 05:17:27 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Connolly Subject: Holidays, band names, and DC ticket request. Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:52:17 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com >Anyhoo....did anyone notice something odd about the May 5 date? >May 5 = Cinco de Mayo. It's on my calendar. I'm confused why you think that's odd. Isn't that a Mexican Holiday, one that's been adopted by American beer companies as their own? >Veruca Salt......me was watching Willy Wonka and the Chocolate >Factory today and there's some girl named Veruca Salt. Hmmmm.. weird >or what? Only as weird as watching "Barbarella" and figuring out that's where Duran Duran got their name. I'm sure there are a whole grunchload of bands out there that lifted the name from a movie, TV show and songs. April 19th and 20th, Ben Folds Five is playing in Philadelphia, and on the 23rd they're playing at American Univ in DC for a students only show (much like the LP show later this year somewhere else)(there, that satisfies LP content for this post). Anybody in DC able to get a ticket or two for this? Please e-mail me with info. NP: My boss's whining. Not recommended for public consumption. === Mikey C A continent away from MrE An unfammous, but not that kind, of man. "But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong." -Dennis Miller (who used to be a whole lot funnier before selling long-distance) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:52:20 -0500 (EST) From: Tiffany M Wilson Subject: Phish I know I'm a little behind on reading my digests, but as I was trying to catch up, I started reading about this whole Phish discussion. Look, whoever said something to the extent of "if you think Phish is one of the worst bands you're an idiot," then call me an idiot. Phish is NOT NOT NOT original. The most appropriate description that comes to mind is And I'm not basing this extremely harsh judgement on only hearing one song. I went to high school in New Hampshire (home of the ultra-conservative neo-wanna-be-hippies) where everyone listens to Phish. So I heard them all the time. And I did not grow to appreciate every nuance with time, I just hated them more and more. So, I'm sorry but they are not anything new or exciting (think re-hash, no pun intended, of the Grateful Dead, who I also despise). And if you think the fact that they have huge shows in Vermont (which is all hippies, satanists and socialists, the latter two I prefer), large quantities of people liking a band does not make them good (refer to the many previous Alanis discussions on the list). Phish is easy to swallow for a lot of people, whereas they would hate, hate, HATE the trippier stuff I listen to (any of the Elephant 6 bands) that pushes a lot more boundaries (heavily featuring saws, kazoos, french horns and even, occasionally, sampling. Therefore, I ask you not to call those of us who equate Phish with crap idiots without questioning. After all, we like Liz. (See, there was some Liz content.) - -Tiffinatrix "You can knock all night on my back door, but there are only two things I'll open it for... Rubber or Leather." -God Is My Co-Pilot "I'm just an ant in Alaska to you." -Liz Phair "All you ever wanted was someone to take care of you. All you're ever losing is a little mascara..." -Paul Westerberg (The Replacements) "This is why events unnerve me, they find it all a different story. Notice whom for wheels are turning, turn again and turn towards this time... Oh, I'll break them down, no mercy shown. Heaven knows, it's got to be this time..." -Ian Curtis (Joy Division) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:13:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Roper, Catherine E" Subject: birthday wishes from all hello again. i was lucky enough to recieve a letter privately from an oberlin alum who has access to liz's address in chicago. (thank you mystery sir or madam) so it's full speed ahead with a support-system birthday card!!!!! start sending me your b-day wishes to liz. i have already recieved a few so keep 'um coming guys. roperce@jmu.edu if you are at all confused as to what i am talking about, refer to the digest this past wednesday. thanks everyone...have a lovely weekend! oh yeah- katie in fl wrote: Veruca Salt......me was watching Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory today and there's some girl named Veruca Salt. Hmmmm.. weird or what? not wierd at all katie, the band is directly named after this character. - -- Roper, Catherine E roperce@jmu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:58:38 -0600 From: Terry & Donna McManus Subject: Liz Phair interview Hi, Jase. I e-mailed my transcript of a 1993 Liz Phair interview to Katie Brown. She said she might send it along to you. If you decide to post the interview, I'd ask that you keep my introduction intact. It sets the context for the conversation, which took place before I had even heard her music. If it's not used as part of the interview, people will think I'm, oh, I dunno, an idiot -- for not asking more music-related questions. I trust you'll do the right thing. Thanks, Terry McManus Freelance Writer Chicago, Ill. Here's my intro: I’m not sure how much interest this interview will generate for the mailing list, but I’m glad I wrote it down anyway. To set the stage: The transcript is taken from a phone interview I did with Liz in the spring of 1993. I was on assignment for the Chicago Sun-Times doing a story about Generation X. (Yeah, I know: What an embarrassing topic, but it was a paying gig, one of my first as a freelancer.) At the time, there was a buzz around the city about Liz, but she was not widely known yet -- partly because “Exile” was repeatedly delayed (some said because of the cover photo). The previous winter, I had read a review of a Liz solo show and decided this was someone I had to meet, or at least talk to. She sounded so cool. So when I got the assignment, I tracked down Liz through Matador Records. They gave me a number and I called at the appointed time, recorder running. I wish I could go back to 1993 knowing what I know now. Up until that point, I hadn’t heard a note of her music, though I think she assumed I had heard some of it, judging by her “Flower”-related comments. Now I think: If I had just talked to her a couple of months later, I would’ve asked so much more about certain songs and how she came to write them. I also regret that much of the interview dwells on generational issues. That whole topic seems completely boring to me, though Liz handled every question with her trademark intelligence, wit and aplomb. (The finished story had only one quote from Liz. I gave her more space in my draft, but the Sun-Times editor was not very hip, and cut most of her comments. Fucking editors.) In retrospect, some things worked out okay, though. For instance, as far as I know, this is the first lengthy interview that Liz gave to a reporter before “Exile” came out. Also, when I saw her at Lounge Ax on March 14, 1999, she recalled how nervous she was in her first performance there. That was weird for me, because near the end of this interview she makes a reference to that show, which was still a couple of months away. Also weird: My younger sister, Colleen, was friends with Liz in sixth grade. Colleen even told me that Liz played at our house on occasion, right around the time Liz was meeting Julia Roberts at summer camp! Unfortunately, I have no recollection of her from that era. But enough about me. Let’s go to the audiotape (or the transcript thereof). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:12:53 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Konnhauser Subject: tour dates hello does any one know if liz phair is scheduled for any bay area appearances in 1999 ??? dk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:01:14 -0500 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: Erecting lyrics, etc. Hello Irritable Digesters (it's so nice to see it's not just me who pisses people off), OK, I knew I had saved them, so here they are: the unofficial lyrics to Erecting a Movie Star, courtesy of Mark Schmidt and yours truly (this is long, I hope it doesn't bounce). Mark did this transcription; the parts I hear differently from him are in parentheses. Where are you, Mark? We miss you! (START of snips from previous digests) - -------------- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:35:42 PST From: "Mark Schmidt" Subject: Erecting a Movie Star Someone a while back posted wanting the lyrics to Erecting a Movie Star. I love the song, but it's a real challenge to make out some of the lyrics, and a whole new challenge after that to make some sense of them. But here's my best guess; input is welcome.... - -------------------- take off your right hand 'cause you don't use it a lot in dreams you're so scant but so what at the wrecking ball your eyes were open you had them flown in at birth your skin is hemp-hand (hemp-had) and trained earth (trait-dearth) erecting a movie star I saw you there you had your lover so fair in your heart arrived in really bloody makeup and scarf I caught your glare you are the flower sewn into the bar there were we trying hard to make is a stare it's self-serve (self-sale) art take off your right hand (ooh ooh ooh ooh) 'cause you don't use it a lot (woooh-ooh woooh-ooh) your dreams are so scant but so what you're a packing don't (you're packing dope) who red lips the coolie yard's (cool yard's) Joshua who just missed the murder car don't be dense from baby to baby to hotel bar playpens saw you there you had your lover a feather in arm a rain of kisses in the wake of the smarm just bobbing there the party spilled up the stairs to the bar which is a really small estate on a farm well don't you care i saw you there with your blue-blond hair your lipstick stare - ------------------- My take on it: don't try to understand every word. It's more like an abstract expressionist painting--it has a subject, but it's not a picture. It's an image which evokes the FEELING of the subject instead, a feeling which is subjective and highly variable from one listener to another. It's definitely about a party (the "wrecking ball") and a person at the party (the movie star we're erecting?). I see someone really wild looking guy, posing every second of every minute that anyone might be watching, definitely way too cool for his own good. And the whole thing is seen through a fog, probably a drunken haze, with that surreal, disconnected MTV-edit-like kind of vision you get with just the right amount of chemicals in your system. My favorite part (for which I hope I have the lyrics right): "a rain of kisses in the wake of the smarm/just bobbing there" gives me an image of this guy towing his girl through the crowd, giving fake movie-biz kisses and hugs (the "smarm"--not a real word, but a decent bastardized noun form of "smarmy"), with either this girl of his, or our narrator, just along for the ride, letting the waves bounce her around. At the risk of intruding too much on anyone's personal vision of this story, I just have to say that when I picture this guy, I see..... Marilyn Manson! THE END. except... (1) if anyone has to analyze a song or poem for some class, feel free to hand this in; I want to know what grade I get :) and (2) if you're interested in Abstract Expressionist art, I highly recommend the work of Mark Rothko. - - --Mark (not Rothko...) - -------------- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:04:27 -0500 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: Erecting some analyses, yeah! A few things... hope this isn't too long! Mark Schmidt, thanks so much for the lyrics to Erecting a Movie Star - your translation and interpretation was fantastic! You're right, it's not easy to make out these lyrics. I agree with you, it's not designed to make sense as a literal, consecutive representation of events, but as a series of fleeting images and the feelings they evoke. I see a lot of references to the shallow movie star's having had plastic surgery, perhaps on a drug-ravaged body and face... schmoozing at a Hollywood party with his (equally, but unwillingly, surgically-butchered?) girlfriend. The movie star is already shallow, nearly no mental substance - and now has a changed physical substance that's not his own. But he doesn't care - he's there to be seen, and "wreck" himself with other "substances." So here he is, adored by all the ass-kissers who recognize his grotesque efforts to literally mold himself into what the people want ("self-sale art" - can you say Michael Jackson?) I think it's a nice, stinging comment on Hollywood culture. Aside from all the imagery, I just LOVE the way Liz sings this song - she kind of lets loose vocally, then comes back, and then lets loose again - like swinging out over a canyon on a tether. - -------------- (END of snips from previous digests) Enjoy! And if you use these on your site, please give Mark credit. Thanks! Hurricane Cindy, swinging out over the canyon NP: Husker Du, "I'm Never Talking to You Again" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:29:42 -0500 From: Katie Brown Subject: FW: support-system-digest V2 #87 [Katie Brown] [Katie Brown] Chris wrote: > on the liz side of things i once saw on pbs of all places a liz phair concert > i know it is fairly recent does anybody know how to get a copy of this or if > there are more like it? [Katie Brown] That was Sessions at West 54th... I don't have a way to copy my tape but someone on the list might be able to... > >>And has anyone noticed the irritability level on the list seems to be > >>rising steadily? > >>shut up, meredith. > >>Julia >> ...shut up julia [Katie Brown] talk to me mystery Somebody wrote: > >into her music) and I was looking through his old college yearbooks and > saw > >this really cool picture of her - remarkable, basically, because it's > so > >unremarkable - your basic attractive college stoner chick talking to > some > >other stoner college chick. too bad I don't have one of those things > you > >high-tech types use to put images on the internet... > [Katie Brown] then Lucas wrote: > It's called a BRAIN, SMOKEY! GET ONE, and GET THAT DAMN PICTURE IN THE > PUBLIC DOMAIN WHERE IT BELONGS!!! > [Katie Brown] I have to agree here, we need to see that picture!!!!!!! Lucas wrote: >> ok, that won't happen again, sorry, i'm trying to quit smoking [Katie Brown] I'm trying to quit too... but Lucas, I JUST SAW LIZ IN CHICAGO [Katie Brown] Suzanne wrote: >>OK...so now that it's starting to soak in that Liz is coming to [ > [>Minneapolis - does anyone have any tips on how to meet her? I've never [ >tried to meet the bands/singers before and I don't have a clue...Also, ] >how can I get a camera in there? [Katie Brown] put it in your bag and carry it in [Katie Brown] > I was thinking of smuggling one of >those small, cheap disposable cameras in(that way if it gets taken away, [ >not a big loss) If I start taking pics w/ a flash, [Katie Brown] yeah do that > are scary people [ >gonna come over and take it away? [ [Katie Brown] he might be scary looking but what ever you do, don't tell him he has a small dick or he will take your camera- good luck, suzanne... and let us see the pix! [Katie Brown] My post "The Walrus" didn't make it to the list! is there something wrong with me? i mean besides the things that have already been identified and treated sucessfully? I got the Terry McManus interview, and it is amazing! I will post it in segments. I hope this post makes it. KB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 13:16:33 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: Liz again Woohoo! Looks like I'll be going to see Liz again at the University of Chicago on April 17. It's advertised as only being open to students, but I have my devious ways (hehe) and should be able to snag tickets. We shall see! Craig "AdRock" RVD 4:20 - I just smoked your ass _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:07:21 -0800 From: MrE Subject: blessing of the horses >>>>Today is Make Up Your Own Holiday Day...and this is Dumb Week in Greece... >>And in Luxembourg, they celebrate Osweiler...the blessing of horses, >>tractors and cars. so go on ahead, party like its 1999, um, because, well, it is 1999. make up a holiday, bless a horse and just be yourself, because it is after all, dumb week. and in other liz related news, has anyone any pertinent or even impertinent info on liz returning to the left coast, or will i be obliged to attend yet another canned heatish variety freak show and alledged entertainment extravaganza? and, part II: is some one gonna prepare a liz flavored birthday card to be signed by one and all, and perhaps every one else also? not that i or anyone else will attempt to or even give a dammit, but it is liz and it is topical and it is foddor for the more serious posters (or poster-children) and it is MrE - -- - - "Of course behaviorism works. So does torture." ~ W. H. Auden, noted psychologist ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:44:46 PST From: "Paul Erickson" Subject: it's a steady job..... >You should be happy for them if their song was on a commercial. >"Selling" is how they make their living you know. If they didn't get >paid for their music, they couldn't afford to spend time making music. >They'd have to work a dull, soulless job like me. > And how IS the postal industry these days? It's a steady job, and it's the only thing that makes me money, and it gives me something to laugh about, cause my real life ain't fucking funny. Well, in reality sometimes I wish I was in the postal industry. It would have to be less stress than my current job and I might not need. . . . . Anyway, I just was informed yesterday by my boss's boss that my assignment is changing and that I may be working in San Diego for a couple months, which in itself isn't too bad but I will definitely be disappointed if it interferes with my plans to see Liz Phair in Columbus in April. I just got my tickets in the mail yesterday!!!! Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:52:08 PST From: "Paul Erickson" Subject: "HELLO MY NAME IS..." "HELLO MY NAME IS..." slim shady Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:55:55 PST From: "Paul Erickson" Subject: "you made the boys spring" Well in "Wild thing", i am wondering... about a line... it could be either: "you made the boys' Spring" like you made that season for the guys... not like manufactured, but like when you say... "you made my day!" or it coudl be "you made the boys spring" like you made them get erections or something, or maybe just made them jump. I always sort of thought that it meant spring as in spending money to buy something (or maybe the erection thing). i.e. your friend doesn't have enough money to go out so you say "don't worry about it, I'll spring for ya!" Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 14:59:56 PST From: "Paul Erickson" Subject: Stratford-on-guy (EIG vs girlysound) Am I the only one on this list that thinks the girlysound version of Stratford-on-guy kicks the shit out of the EIG version? I love the spoken word narratives she overdubbed in the background about the plane crashing and so forth. I don't think I ever appreciated the EIG version until I got hooked on the girlysound version. Everyone, let me hear your thoughts. So far one person has completely disagreed with me. Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:30:41 -0700 (MST) From: "N. DAVIS" Subject: Somebody asked . . . Hey, What would I like on the "Cruel Intentions" soundtrack? The obvious match with the storyline would be "Fuck and Run". I like soundtracks with unreleased/unavailable elsewhere stuff. So my fantasy track would be "Je t'aime...moi non plus" with Liz doing the Jane Birkin fake(?) orgasms and me as Serge Gainsbourg. If she's not comfortable with the French, there's another Gainsbourg song "Just me and you" with the chorus- It would be Just me and you Fuck the rest of the world It would be Just me and you And to hell with everyone Liz could probably get behind that too. Later, Norman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:18:52 -0800 From: MrE Subject: you're invited ok all you Moreupset fanz, this be your very best and yet somehow uninvited moment. yes, that is a link below, and yes, it does go somewhere else, and yes, it is Moistette connected, and yes you will find it to be entertaining because of your low amusement threshold...but don't just take my word for it...take hers: http://www.brunching.com/toys/toy-test.html so much for the afterglow MrE - -- "Of course behaviorism works. So does torture." ~ W. H. Auden, noted psychologist ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 21:13:29 -0500 From: mhuisman Subject: Willy Willy Wonka, Willy Willy Wonka Hey Katie, Actually, thats where they got the name for it. If you change it to british meaning it means 'wart seasoning':-) I just checked out the new Liz tourdates...SHES NOT COMING TO TORONTO!!!!ARRGHHHH!!! My parents wouldn't let me see her the first time she came here in October.....anyone know if she'll be coming back?? Also, check out my Liz website for the new sound file of the week http://www.geocities.com:80/SunsetStrip/Alley/4522/ Marlie ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 99 23:25:56 EST From: Athena.M.Waligore@Dartmouth.EDU (Athena M. Waligore) Subject: May 1 Worchester Show Does anyone have any details about the May 1 Worchester show? I would really appreciate any info anyone might have... if you could email me at gow@dartmouth.edu i would be very grateful!! thanks, Athena ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 00:07:11 -0600 From: palik@ix.netcom.com Subject: Ken's CD, and a CD cover photo idea Just got Ken's WCSE Sessions CD. Thanks Ken! I like the retro vocal harmonies on Greased Lightning. Too cool ! I like the disc #2 Desperado Theme too, much better than her disc #1 effort. I hope she releases it sometime (for a cowboy movie soundtrack ? we know Liz isn't averse to releasing songs on soundtracks). Or maybe it needs some lyrics. As for a cover for this CD, I used the top half of the image below, from her head to her waist printed on a Epson Stylus printer, on the Epson specially-clay-coated photo-quality paper. In either 720 or 1400dpi modes, the result is just incredible, even though I didn't add a title to mine. http://www.city.ac.uk/~er583/music/liz_phair/images/liz_red_couch.jpg Just so nobody gets the wrong idea, this isn't my website, I just happen to think this photo is extra groovy. Don ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #88 ***********************************