From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #67 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, March 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 067 Today's Subjects: ----------------- oh what can it mean to a daydream believer... ["Nicole W." ] Thanks Tad W. [palik@ix.netcom.com] colors and musings ["dana" ] JJJ Radio Interview ["Chris Whitfield" ] Moreupset in Wonderland [MrE ] S-K [MrE ] Re: posters [Meredith Robbins ] Sumday Night's show [mark@njycamps.org] flower & juvenelia [virginia miller ] newbie [Ophelia969@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 01:14:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: oh what can it mean to a daydream believer... >Someone help me out. Am I the only person on the list who is immensely >disappointed when I get a support system digest that does not contain a >post from Nicole and/or Mr. E? Just wondering. -----Steven Awww... that's really sweet of you! Just wanted to say I really appreciate being appreciated. But to answer your question, I think you are the only person on the list who is disappointed when you don't see a post from at least me. I dunno about other people and MrE. Ugh I started this post way earlier today and never finished, so i'm just going to post it. I"m in an awful fucking mood. Bye, Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 01:28:44 -0500 (EST) From: george2@sas.upenn.edu (matt george) Subject: ack !!! i'm REALLY sorry guys, when i wrote that little post about posters i don't know WHAT i was thinking cos i said "polyester bride posters" when i actually meant WCSE posters...argh, i must have spaced out when typing that ! i guess i hadn't had my usual bowl of saturday morning cereal yet. but hopefully you guys knew what i was talking about and if not i apologize for any confusion i may have caused... matt http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~george2/music/liz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 22:37:09 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Webb Subject: Flower, etc. Hello Listers, First a response to Hurricane Cindy, who said, "This is not a flame... but if you can use your imagination, I have a different take on it for you. Perhaps you'll consider this a goodscenario for playing Flower: Imagine being a woman, and playing it for the manfor whom you are quite hot. Translation: in Flower, Liz sings from mypoint of view, describing my EXACT feelings for my Johnny Feelgood (and saying it far better than I could). Pretty potent stuff! Call it an aural aphrodisiac. I'm dying to play it for him, and then let whatever may happen afterward, happen... ;^)" I can definitely think of many times that Flower would be a great song to play and if I heard a lovely young lady playing that song in my presence, I'd be feeling large and in charge. I guess I'm viewing playing Flower for a group of friends. If I want to play something pornographic for my friends, I'll go to something funnier like Snoop Dogg's "It Ain't No Fun". I guess more than anything it just feels like a novelty song to me. I think she's such an amazing songwriter and if somebody hears that song, all their hearing is a list of sexual acts read off. I'd prefer a song like Johnny Feelgood that kind of sneaks up on you. It's an easy song to sing along to without listening to what you're singing along to. That said, I still completely understand that Flower was a groundbreaker for women rockers, so Alanis could talk about going down on you in a theater and stuff like that. I just don't care to play the song for my friends anymore. I've been kicking back listening to the wcse sessions discs and I didn't hate Only Son before, but if she released this version, I sure would've. I hate that Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, oh Daddy. Okay, I'm starting to worry about myself. I've complained about two Liz songs in the same post. That's not good. Late, Josh NP: Liz: 02/12/99 Portland, Maine == "The world is full of ugly things that you can't change. Pretend it's not that way. It's my idea of faith."--Ben Folds Five "If you've got a one in a million girl, don't let her get away, 'cuz the next one in a million girl is a million girls away."--Liz Phair If you're interested in trading live tapes with me, visit: http://www.angelfire.com/fl/layeroffilm/tapelist.html _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 01:30:50 -0600 From: palik@ix.netcom.com Subject: Thanks Tad W. Tad, Got the tape, thanks. Don (Sorry to use the list for the personal thanks, but I lost your email.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 23:57:44 -0800 From: "dana" Subject: colors and musings the colors in "wcse" are pairs of oppositions on the color wheel: orange and blue, green and red (pink), yellow and purple. this was already mentioned by someone else...plus, liz was an art student; she'd know the color wheel. i think she's using the oppositions in pairs like that because it furthers the point that she sees her son in everything and those colors, grouped like that, are all-encompassing and inclusive. i think the reason she uses "pink" and then "reddish-brown" is just to make the rhymes for the respective following lines. i kind of have to agree with an earlier post (i forgot to get the name--i'm sorry!) that the whole album is sort of disappointing in some ways...especially considering what could have been on it. i think that was a really good point; i'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks this...it really struck me after i listened to it and then to "juvenilia," especially. her lyrics are as dead-on as ever (on "wcse"), but something is sort of missing with the music end of it. "girls' room" kind of hints at that earlier guitar-driven sound, but i don't know....sorry if i'm making anyone sad, but i don't think i'm totally off the wall here.... i guess she figures that she made one of the greatest albums of all time and so now she's gonna concentrate on getting out there, and why shouldn't she, considering all the sucky artists out there who are so huge....know what i mean? i think maybe she's trying to be more "palatable" or "appealing" or something. hmmmm. dp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:33:40 +1100 From: "Chris Whitfield" Subject: JJJ Radio Interview I just put up a radio interview that was aired on JJJ tonight about an hour ago. Unfortunately I missed the first few minutes of it... if anyone recorded this please get in touch. anyway goto http://www.micronica.com.au/~cerebus if you want to download it. She talks a bit about the process leading up to recording Whitechocolatespaceegg, mentions Alanis and the "vacuuming housewives quote". no more news on touring tho :-( Chris NP: Ben Lee "Breathing Tornados" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 02:37:09 -0800 From: MrE Subject: Moreupset in Wonderland `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~` >>Alanis Moreupset >>Norman '...once upon a time, in a land phar, phar away, let's call it, uh, 'Phucn Phair Phlower Pharm' (hi Nicole! everything's good?). life was just phine in PPPP until that phateful and horrid day in which some low life phuc phosted, or rather, posted a phrankly unphorgiving phost, or rather, post concerning the udder disregard a certain Miss(erable) Moistette rendered her phans at the now inphamous and altogether phorgotten "pre super tour warm up and shit on the little people" lost angels palladium show..and the rest was but a thread to hell.' but all the maliciousness that followed that phost, or rather, post was well worth the bandwidth because we have finally arrived at the place in which we can be healed...aw phucit! "Moreupset" is the new and uninvited winner or something. and because you came up with such a brilliant moniker, i'm not even going to publically phlog you for not being aware that phoenix is not a part of the eastern united states... >>I still have to get that stuff for >>you. I want to go wash it off now. >>I'm a wreck, I'm obsessed, I'm insane. >>This make-up is now poisoning me and >>adjusting a tablecloth out of boredom. >>Don't leave... stay as long as you >>can! I am way too hyper right now. >>KB ...uh, i can like relate or something. (and she always seemed like such a normal girl, and then she started dating that bad kennedy boy. if only she had learned to say no, and maybe swim too...) liz content: it will soon be her birthday. the end. except for...thank you steven. serially delirious MrE - -- "I used to be Snow White, but I drifted." ~ Mae West ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 02:54:54 -0800 From: MrE Subject: S-K oh, and, Sleater-Kinney...phucn awesome at the roxy. if you weren't there, well, you weren't there. i think i'll dye my hair blue MrE - -- "I used to be Snow White, but I drifted." ~ Mae West ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Mar 1999 11:24:41 -0500 From: Meredith Robbins Subject: Re: posters Dude, hook me up with one of those Liz posters, yo. I will pay handsomely... Meredith - -- "And why let a perfectly good old guy go uneaten?" --JoAnne Schmitz on alt.folklore.urban ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:27:30 -0500 From: mark@njycamps.org Subject: Sumday Night's show is anyone here going to the show at Lounge Ax in Chi-Town on Sunday. I just paid out the ass for tickets, but I am RARING to go! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 99 16:32:07 EST From: virginia miller Subject: flower & juvenelia hi. thanks for the take on flower cindy. i like that point of view and i'll have to put your plan into action at some point in time. hey can someone tell me what a "tape tree" is? also-i got juvenellia yesterday!!!!! i listened to it so much last night it's not even funny. i love the way her voice sounds in 'california,'especially when she tells the bull joke. anyway, i'd better go now 'cause "i think i'm turning japanese..i really think so." -gin - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- virginia miller Carleton University "i'm so bored of cowards." Email -bjork address: vmiller@chat.carleton.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 17:06:10 EST From: Ophelia969@aol.com Subject: newbie hey- i just joined the list, and i thought i'd just share a couple things. first, i was wondering what everyone thinks about liz's new album in comparison to exile in guyville. i actually dont like it as much, personally, not because it isnt as dirty, but because it just doesnt contain the same emotion for me. i've been listening to exile since sixth grade, and its still one of my favorite cds, but whitechocolatespaceegg actually gets on my nerves after a while. i think its because all of the songs seem very radio-formatted. i went to see her concert in chicago recently, and i was really glad it wasnt whitechocolate-oriented. secondly, (god, you must all hate me now), i was wondering if i could be clued into the cds and tapes that are occasionally alluded to in the first few messages that i received. also, i always used to wonder about Liz's relationship with her father, but if anyone else was wondering, i actually have some inside info into the situation. her father works in the same hospital as my father, he's head of the department of infectious disease or something, and my dad was in his office the other day, and he had a big poster from liz's new album covering about three walls of his office. i guess their relationship couldnt be too bad. thanx, abby ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #67 ***********************************