From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #65 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, March 6 1999 Volume 02 : Number 065 Today's Subjects: ----------------- calvin klein and liz? [Mykayela@aol.com] re: Daria and Johnny F. [Oh4sythia@aol.com] more Uncle Alvarez [palik@ix.netcom.com] even more Uncle Alvarez [palik@ix.netcom.com] abuse? ["dana" ] Request this! [kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko)] [none] [Michael Connolly ] CD Insert ["DarkSide oftheMoon" ] 3/14/99 [Katie Brown ] Am I the only one? [mysticalcrowe@webtv.net (steven thomson)] red vs. pink, ken, middle school ["Sarah =^..^=" ] intel pIII ["G.Hartland" ] hello ["N. DAVIS" ] Liz on Rolling Stone Webcast March 10! Be there, or be square! ["Al" ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #64 [virginia miller ] Re: Something else about KEN'S CDs [kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee)] sometimes a dream... [JLD4125269@aol.com] P.E., Hendrix, S. Crow, True Romance, assorted crap... [tommyk7@excite.co] Re: support-system-digest V2 #64 ["keelyfish" ] Liz Setlists [Josh Webb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 01:26:23 EST From: Mykayela@aol.com Subject: calvin klein and liz? I heard on Kroq today that Liz and a number of other musicians will be attending a photo session soon for a possible ad campaign for Calvin Klein. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 02:00:47 EST From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: re: Daria and Johnny F. TMK wrote: <<"Daria" is one of the only TV shows I religiously watch, I have to chime in and tell all that "Johnny Feelgood" was playing during last night's episode - #302.>> You don't know how happy this news is making me right now - I am SO glad that I taped Daria last night, though my mother wanted to tape Lewisnky on 20/20 instead (don't ask why because I'm still trying to figure out myself). I can't even imagine that song juxtaposed with the familiar Daria animation - now I HAVE to finish my term paper so I can watch my tape. On the topic of Daria/Liz, I've always thought of them as similar in that they both make very effective use of monotone, but the first time I really heard Liz sound exactly like Daria was in Big Tall Man. You know when she goes, "I'm drag racing. Drag...." Does she not sound like Daria? Anyone who thinks she doesn't, please let me know. Leslie """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" "I don't have low self-esteem I have low esteem for everyone else." --Daria Morgendorffer """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 01:38:20 -0600 From: palik@ix.netcom.com Subject: more Uncle Alvarez Here is a photo of Uncle Alvarez. Eugene Isaac Alvarez http://www.sv-web.com/music/eugene.jpg Not sure if he is the one Liz sings about, but the pic looks like one that may be hanging in the hall. By the way, some groovy South American (Colombian) music is by Carlos Vives: Clasicos De La Provincia. Pretty sure Amazon.com has it: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000015TN/qid=920619255/sr=1-3/0 02-6455324-9344011 Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 01:40:56 -0600 From: palik@ix.netcom.com Subject: even more Uncle Alvarez http://www.sv-web.com/music/eugene.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:04:16 -0800 From: "dana" Subject: abuse? you guys, i don't know...i know in strict clinical psychology terms "abuse" involves harm on any level, but i just don't think liz's MO is to address ABUSE....all she's really talking about ("divorce song") is something that's turned, well, shitty. and that truly is the glory of liz: to take a clear-eyed, unflinching look at all the very real bullshit that goes on between people and then to talk about it NOT, and this is very important, in a sentimental or victimized way. i mean, that's fucking genius. especially after decades of hearing chicks moan about "look what you did to me, you bad man" or "gee, you're soooo cute; i love you." anyway.... dp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 03:03:55 -0500 (EST) From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko) Subject: Request this! I have an idea for you lucky dogs who'll be staring wide-eyed at Liz Phair on March 14: Shout for "Blood Keeper"! Of course, I don't expect her to play it, but her reaction would be terribly interesting, since, as far as she knows, no one outside her 'circle' should know about this song. Any reaction from her would be cool, whether it be "'Blood Keeper'? There is no such song, and there never was!" or "That is indeed a wonderful song, but I don't think it will work with an acoustic guitar." I'm serious - Do it! Rollingstone.com is doing a nice favor for those Liz fans who don't subscribe to this list and won't be receiving Liz's Oct. '98 Chicago shows from the upcoming tree -- from page 26 of the latest Rolling Stone: "3/10 8:30 P.M. -- Indie queen Liz Phair is live in concert." Indie queen? Never! Too bad they make it sound like an actual *live* webcast. Catch it if you can... Steven E. Kisko ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 05:19:10 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Connolly Subject: [none] Cruising through Broadcast.com yesterday, and came across something interesting. Four Liz videos all in a row: "Never Said," "Stratford On Guy," "Supernova," and "Jealousy." Quality isn't that great (and I've got a T1 connection here at work), but hey, where else (besides the videos some of ya got) are you going to get four of her vids in one shot? http://www.broadcast.com/jukebox/musicvideo/Alternative/P/phair_Compilation_Video.stm Also, it had a Cat Power video, "Cross Bone Style." The quality was much better, and I found her music to be very interesting. First cut of hers I've ever heard. Give it a shot. http://www.broadcast.com/jukebox/musicvideo/Alternative/C/catpower_CrossBonesStyle.stm Also also, find it interesting that the first exposure most people are having to "The Tra La La Song" was the Liz Phair/Material Issue cover. I too grew up on the Banana Splits show. It was a scheduled across from Jonny Quest, so I never saw any of those show until a few years ago. BTW, it's on the CD "Saturday Morning Cartoon's Greatest Hits", a CD about three years old now. Most of the covers on it are crap, in my view. Especially Helmut's "Speed Racer." Blecch! == Mikey C Va Beach An unfammous, but not that kind, of man. "Sometimes at night. When I hear the wind. I wish I was crazy again." - - Johnny Cash (liner notes on _Unchained_) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 05:30:36 PST From: "DarkSide oftheMoon" Subject: CD Insert Hey all, I made a CD insert for the CD's that Ken is making. I know alot of you have them already, but this one looks pretty darn good. Its full color and made to fit perfectly in the case w/o cutting. You will recognize the picture when you see it. I sent some out to a few people on the list already and I'm gonna see if some of the Liz sites will post it. In the meantime if ou want a copy e-mail me at: hilofer@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:55:57 -0500 From: Katie Brown Subject: 3/14/99 Jorge with a J!!! damn I am so psyched for you. I also think with should grab a drink Saturday night! and camp out at the lounge ax all day Sunday of course.... seriously, with the way the tickets sales went, so I heard, do you all think that people will be lined up all day? this is going to be madness. Liz Phair in a tiny venue ... my 6th show! woohoo... keely, did you get a ticket? who all is going again? Life is beautiful is a wonderful film, recommended to me by Lani from the list... Bill in CT I did get your message and I still have to get that stuff for you. yuck, I have a press event today and this make-up on my face is itchy and I want to go wash it off now. only seven more hours 'til its all over... Boston people watch for me on the news! just kidding, sort-of, if anything watch for me holding a clipboard in the background and adjusting a tablecloth out of boredom. I still can't get over the mere idea of this lounge ax performance, it is going to be so intimate! I haven't seen her solo since '94! Liz Liz Liz... ok, I'm a wreck, I'm obsessed, I'm insane, ok, I think this make-up has expired and is now poisoning me. jenny have a great spring break... to all of you who are still in school, may I quote Billy Madison in saying "don't leave... stay as long as you can!" i am way too hyper right now. KB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 09:11:29 -0600 (CST) From: mysticalcrowe@webtv.net (steven thomson) Subject: Am I the only one? Someone help me out. Am I the only person on the list who is immensely disappointed when I get a support system digest that does not contain a post from Nicole and/or Mr. E? Just wondering. -----Steven ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 07:51:33 PST From: "Sarah =^..^=" Subject: red vs. pink, ken, middle school hmmmm. i've been thinking about the discussion of why liz excluded the color red from the song "wcse". i dunno. maybe she couldn't find an appropriate word to rhyme with "red". maybe she didn't like the connotations--passion, death, blood--that went along with it, since it's a song, i've always assumed, about her son. at any rate, i remember that when dyeing easter eggs, the red dye would only turn the eggs pink unless you left them in there for over an hour or something. as for reddish-brown--that's the color we used to get when we wanted to make red-violet by double-dipping the egg in red and purple. also, i was wondering if the people receiving ken's cds were informed before they were sent out. i know there must have been a lot of people who also contributed and everything, but i haven't heard anything about when/if mine would be coming in soon. plus, i've had a change of address . . . so i didn't know if i should contact ken, when i know he's probably very busy, or if he'd contact me before he mailed them. sorry, that sounds so pesty. i'm just itching to hear "blood keeper". oh yeah. i've always listened to liz with my little sisters--even when they were in elementary school (i probably shouldn't have, but i was a stupid ninth grader back then myself and was obviously lacking in good judgement.) anyway, one of my sisters, megan, is now in 8th grade and she says that all of the people in her class are crazy about liz. she was telling her friends that she's been listening to liz since she was in fourth grade (you know how that sounds in middle school . . .) and they were like "yeah right. i've been listening to her since THIRD grade." but in her case it's kinda true, i guess. i was just amused by this--all of the girls are giving out liz cds at birthday parties. and i'm glad some of today's youngsters are exhibiting good taste in music. well well. sarah NP in my head: the song "This Is the Day" by The The ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:24:34 -0000 From: "G.Hartland" Subject: intel pIII Whose version of "The Tra La Song are Intel using to advertise the PIII? I've never heard the Liz vers. as the cd is deleted in the UK Gez ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 12:57:20 -0700 (MST) From: "N. DAVIS" Subject: hello Hi- I just joined the list. I've been a Liz fan for quite a while. I've heard Liz is supporting Alanis Moreupset on some of her dates. Does anybody know if the Phoenix concert is one of them. I bought a ticket on the hope that Liz would be there. I'm crossing my fingers. Norman nodavis@NMSU.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 99 12:09:01 -0800 From: "Al" Subject: Liz on Rolling Stone Webcast March 10! Be there, or be square! March 10! Be there, or be square! Hey thought you all would like to know that that rolling stone webcast of Liz Phair is actually happening: Go here for details: http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/performance/text/vvupcoming.asp?afl=rs n Right On!!! Al ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 21:15:59 GMT From: "Julia Rios" Subject: uncle alvarez/martin guerre so i accidentally deleted the digest before i got a chance to remember that insightful person's name who responded to poor johnny mala leche (very strange name choice, johnny). anyway i meant to respond to this post about uncle alvarez a long while ago, but the pressure of midterms week took away from my devotion to the list. my deepest apologies. anyway i have always thought uncle alvarez sounded latin american, a bit. but then, why wouldn't it? it is called uncle *alvarez* after all. i think it is an american (meaning United states) ballad (a quick poetry study reveals that ballads are narratives which are written with a refrain and generally are formatted in four line stanzas in which every other line --or at least the second with the fourth-- rhymes) with a latin americam feel to it, because i always assumed uncle alvarez originated somewhere down there or maybe even came from a spanish family who settled in mexico or central or south america. in any event i kind of felt like he came to america and made up stuff to make himself seem more important. maybe he wrote home to the family about how great his success in the states was or maybe he tried to build himself up to the descendents... in any case i guess part of what makes me think it is the american civil war was the fact that she says "he's not really part cherokee indian," cherokee being a north american tribe and not central or south american. now it is possible he could be part of an indian tribe from the south (aztec, olmec, zapotec to name a few of the larger ones) but those would not seem as glorious as being part cherokee. he didn't fight in the civil war... maybe he wasn't even here yet. maybe he came over after it was over. i like comparing him to martin guerre, a french imposter who was really a man named arnaud du til, historians speculate. though somersby was a loose adaptation of the martin guerre story for an American box office response, i think i like comparing Uncle Alvarez to the real martin guerre (or arnaud du til) better. it seems arnaud du til was seen as a trickster who took over Martin Guerre's life after he saw an opportunity to better his position in life. now i never really thought of uncle alvarez taking over someone else's place literally, but it does seem like he would be the kind of man to pretend to be someone he wasn't (you don't have to be a rocket scientist to pick up that vibe... "imaginary accomplishments..."). anyway, i feel like the underlying latin american touch makes the song a tragic sort of testament to a man who tried to cover up his roots. enough for now... and johnny if you still are in desperate need of something live or rare or whatever, email me and i will see if i can help you. Julia :) sorry if this message was blurry sounding. i just came off three exams and am being distracted by people who expect me to know what we're doing planning wise for he road trip to new orleans that starts tomorrow. see you all next week when i return. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 99 16:18:16 EST From: virginia miller Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #64 hi. just wanted to share my "elite eight." 1) liz phair-whip-smart 2) amps-pacer 3) patti smith-horses 4) david bowie-low 5) r.e.m-murmur 6) dinosaur jr.-where you been 7) joni mitchell-blue 8) foo fighters (first album) does anyone know where i can get a liz poster? thanks. Gin :) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- virginia miller Carleton University "If you complain once more, you'll meet an army of me." -bjork Email address: vmiller@chat.carleton.ca - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 15:21:59 -0500 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: the song remains the same Hi Prop-Positioners, Hooray from me to Jase and Tony, re: digests #62, #63, #64! You two are basically saying the same thing... and believe it or not, it's also basically the same thing I was saying a couple of weeks ago (albeit in a more strident and heavily sarcastic manner). Belated kudos to Jaime for your 2 cents on Johnny Feelgood & Divorce Song. I didn't agree with every point you made, but I agreed with much of your post, and I appreciated your thoughtful take on the themes. I think what makes a piece of work "classic" (whether a song, a novel, a poem, a painting) is the many facets it presents. They mean something different to each person who encounters the work and contemplates it, and thus it endures. Wouldn't it be a dull world if the fruits of our best efforts could only be interpreted in one way? (If t'were so, ugh, stop the globe, I want to get off.) To Leslie, re: the colors mentioned in the song WCSE... "orange and BLUE, green and PINK" -- I have a feeling it's no coincidence that blue and pink are the traditional colors for newborn boys and girls. More evidence that the song is indeed about son Nick, perhaps still unborn when she first came up with the lyrics? Maybe she avoided red because, well, it's a pretty graphic color when you're envisioning giving birth to your first child. LIZ PHEST: for those asking for info, is July 9-10-11, in Chicago. Details are forthcoming (sorry to sound like a broken record, but busy lives means things don't happen overnight). Non-Liz content: I'm all excited because I'm going to see the Dave Grisman Quintet for my 3rd time, March 11 at the Smith Opera House in Geneva, NY. This is REALLY a long shot, but is anyone from the list going to this concert? (Or maybe I should ask, is anyone on this list even a fan of Dave Grisman's music?) I won't go on and on about it if nobody is interested. But, I WILL say that these have got to be 5 of the most talented musicians currently inhabiting the planet. Hurricane Cindy ...frightening my friends. ("And, lemme tell ya, they like it!") NP: Belly, Star (essential, IMHO!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:52:46 -0600 (CST) From: kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee) Subject: Re: Something else about KEN'S CDs Nicole wrote: >People... >$2.00 seemed really cheap to pay for Ken's CDs. That's because it was a >little *too* cheap when you factor in postage and the cost of the CDs and >the two- CD jewel box and Ken's time and all this stuff. Hence, if you >only paid $2, it would be nice if you'd donate him some more money. True, >I haven't done so yet, but that's because I need to break my $20 and I >never spend money so I haven't had a chance to use it yet. But when I do, >youc an bet I"ll be paying ken-o. > >Anyway... once I was talking to ken and he did a little >calculation of what the actual CDs cost after all was done, but I dont' >remember the figure. I think it might have been like... $7? I'll ask him >and then post the figure or something. Anyway, I just think it would be >nice, even if youcan't afford $7, to give him a couple of extra bucks. >Keep in mind, $7 is still SUPER SUPER SUPER cheap for what you're getting! >Two CDs, kids (and adults)! A two CD bootleg essentially. >So... his address is: > >Kenneth Lee (I can call him Ken-o, though) >P.O. Box 1972 >Union City, CA 94587-6972 > >C'est tout. >For this post, at least. It needs to be expressely about thsi issue so >maybe since it will be short, people will read it. KEN KEN KEN KEN KEN. >If i put ken's name in here, people might forget it's my post and actually >read this. > >But a few people actually read my posts. Thanks pholks! ;) You are >phaboo! Phreebird!!! Nah... this isn't just a philler. Hey, I read this a week ago, but haven't had a chance to respond until now. Let me thank Nicole, Leslie, and the others who have championed this *more money* cause... What I explained to Nicole in #wcse is how much it is costing me to make and send these CDs. Let me break it down for everyone to see: $2.00 --> This is for the tape fund (to raise money for the purchase of these fabled WCSE tapes) $2.00 --> The cost of 2 blank CD-Rs (to burn the tapes onto them) $0.89 --> The cost of a double-CD jewel case (to house the CDs) $0.69 --> The Jiffylite bubble mailer (to mail the CDs) $1.21 --> The postage to send the CDs first class (to get to your doorstep) $7.00 --> The total rounded up (actually comes out to $6.79) That's the minimum I need to keep me from going bankrupt. I have over 100+ folks I still need to burn CDs for, and I'm sure there are some stragglers/procrastinators/newbies who will want the CDs too after I post this. So, to help me out, if you could please send a little more $$$ (if you haven't sent $7 or more already), I'd really appreciate it. If you can't afford to, that's okay, I'm not making it a requirement. Only if you can... :) Sheesh, and to top it all off, I'm sick now. And Miles Davis owes me twenty bucks (don't ask, it's a loooooong story)... ;) - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:39:53 EST From: JLD4125269@aol.com Subject: sometimes a dream... Hey All, Please forgive me... OK, I hate it when folks post like this -posts that are not relevant to everyone or even pertinent Liz topics and such. But I have to tell YOU since no one else would understand this. I had this incredibly vivid dream last night that I was at a Liz show at a bar in Chicago and there was this asshole sitting behind me making rude comments about Liz. I kept giving him dirty looks but he wouldn't shut up. All of a sudden this guy in front of me (in the first row) turns around and puts the rude guy in his place. It was Jason. I was floored. And sitting next to him was Craig. Turns out, all of the people sitting (yes, we were all sitting - -for some reason -in folding chairs) around me are from the list! And somehow this ignorant Liz-basher had seated himself in the worst possible spot (for him) -- in the middle of all of us. Just then Liz walked onstage and she knew all of us too (?) and thanked us for coming. She thanked Jason for all the work he puts into the page and the list and the tapes and all for her. Then she says to the asshole (even though she wasn't around before, when he was being rude) "what are you doing here? Like-don't you have somewhere else to be?" and started her set. (with Erecting a Movie Star). Now, mind you, I've never met anyone from this list, so I don't know what any of you really look like. But somehow in this dream I just knew who everyone was - I recognized them by face. And I was almost star-stuck, so to speak. I just couldn't believe that I was meeting all of these people who (sorry, no offense) in reality are like ghosts to me - it was very real and very bizarre. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 19:12:45 PST From: tommyk7@excite.com Subject: P.E., Hendrix, S. Crow, True Romance, assorted crap... Tony wrote: I think you're being a little closed minded [sic] in your selections. First, I would like to thank those who came to my defense regarding this thread (Jase, Nicole). My list was alternative because Liz is alternative, and my alternative collection is rather weak at the moment (the new S-K did improve it immensely, however). And I can assure you, Tony, that I do have some diversity working in my collection as well. I liked your "Master of Puppets" pick, but I would have to go with P.E.'s "It Takes a Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back" in favor of "Fear of a Black Planet." Also, has anyone picked up Hendrix's "Live at Fillmore East" double album? If you have and you're actually reading SS digests instead of listening to "Machine Gun" 24-7, could you please give me a review? I'm sure it's great, but I want to hear it from someone besides Rolling Stone. Lana wrote: is anyone else out there addicted to the newest Sheryl Crow cd?? I can't get "Crash and Burn" out of my head. Yes, it's been getting heavy rotation in my CD player lately, along with S-K's "The Hot Rock." I love "Riverwide," and her rendition of Dylan's "Mississippi" is quite good. Have you heard the "secret" track after "Crash and Burn?" It comes on 7:14 into track 11 ("Crash"). It's OK. If you play the disc on your computer you can also see a cool video. Sorry if got the Liz song on Daria wrong - Just hearing Liz on TV coupled with my subconscious desire to hear "Johnny" officially released in any medium must have triggered the error. Someone wrote (sorry): She's so beautiful and all I could think about was that part in True Romance where Patricia Arquette writes on the napkin, "you're so cool" This is by no means an invitation to start a "Top ? Movies" thread, but I have to say to anyone who hasn't seen "True Romance," RENT IT NOW!!! Just reading your post made me want to watch it again for the 10th time or so. The scene with C. Walken and D. Hopper is unreal, and for you females who haven't seen it, Brad Pitt is at his best. TMK NP: Sheryl Crow, The Globe Sessions I woke up and called this morning the tone of your voice was so horny but you don't care for me anymore I made up the bed we sleep in I looked at the clock when you creep in It's six AM and I'm alone Sheryl Crow, "The Globe Sessions," "My Favorite Mistake" _______________________________________________________ Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 22:33:22 -0600 From: "keelyfish" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #64 Sorry, Jorge : ( Keely's chicago people did not get her tickets. They went and discovered the extreme paucity of tickets and so they left. Bastards. Have fun, Louge Ax people! My top 5 essentials : ) 1) Liz- Exile 2)Red Red Meat- Bunny Gets Paid 3) Heavenly- Heavenly vs Satan 4) Slint- Spiderland 5) Halo Benders- God Don't Make No Junk These are the ones that I never got tired of or temporarily shelved for other stuff. These are the ones that kick so much ass, they deserve a pile of gold, each of 'em. Keely ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 21:12:50 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Webb Subject: Liz Setlists Hello Liz Phreaks, I was just kicking back listening to the 2/12/99 show of Liz doing a show which somebody else closed(unimportant). I found it interesting the songs Liz is choosing to play. Look how she starts the show: Chopsticks Fuck and Run Johnny Feelgood Then, she lightens it up with Mesmerizing before returning with Flower. Gee, do you think she's going for shock value? It's interesting how a lot of people try to run from their stereotypes and others just stick to what was honest to them personally. Liz seems to be the latter. On a personal note, am I the only one who's really sick of Flower? It's just not something I want to play for anybody. Oh wow, can you believe what she said? It seems like if you play a song like Flower for somebody, that's all they'd remember is that Liz can sure talk like a sailor. I think I have a possible thread here. What song would you like people to form their perception of Liz off of? I think for me it would be Stratford-on-Guy. It's not my absolute favorite Liz tune. That would be May Queen, but Stratford is the perfect combination of phenomenal lyrics with a catchy and very unorthodox song. Oh, and for everybody who wants to flame me for being tired of Flower, please do. Flame me as hard as you can, but I just ask that everybody else who agrees with me flames those people and we can start the end of the world that everybody is telling us is coming in January, 2000. Late, I'm out, Josh == "The world is full of ugly things that you can't change. Pretend it's not that way. It's my idea of faith."--Ben Folds Five "If you've got a one in a million girl, don't let her get away, 'cuz the next one in a million girl is a million girls away."--Liz Phair If you're interested in trading live tapes with me, visit: http://www.angelfire.com/fl/layeroffilm/tapelist.html _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #65 ***********************************