From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #62 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, March 3 1999 Volume 02 : Number 062 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Guestbooks ["Nicole W." ] comercial/Jawbreaker [Alice Springs ] katie's word association ["tree shadow" ] ruthie's fabulous weekend (even though now i'm sick) [Ascending to the St] guestbooks ["Jenny Sayler" ] Liz, Sylvia Plath, etc. [Lana ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #61 [Dennis Junkoo Kim ] Poppies ["Nicole W." ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #61 [Peter Washington ] Sounds like? [Michael Connolly ] ramblings [LULU428@aol.com] Liz selling Pentium IIIs ? [palik@ix.netcom.com] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Please read! (Re: Bounced messages) [Jason Long ] KB [Craig King ] Re: Sessions / why I hate KSPS-TV [Brian Carmichael ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 01:16:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: Guestbooks I have to agree with Herbert Hoover about the whole guestbook issue. A guestbook *is* a book for a guest. It is a place where guests who have visited your site write what they feel about it. And in my case any other random things I have on my mind, sometimes. If you would like to eliminate that, but you still want people to leave a mark when they come by, then eliminate the "comments" part of your guestbook. (This is a collective "you," not directed at any one person). "Comments" encompasses both positive and negative words. You might try renaming it "complements" if all you want is good words. And I have to say, certain websites in question... well... what's a little constructive criticism if it doesn't help? IF someone is taking the time out to write about what they feel could be improved, then they most likely know what it is that can be done to better a website. It comes with the territory, in my (not so) humble opinion. Sure, someone could just e-mail you, but what's the fun in that? What's the fun if only one person ever knows your opinion?? ANyway... I want this to try and make the digest, so here goes... Later, Nicole visit my site and write in the guestbook at http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DontWalk. I am going to try and change the index page graphic soon. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:14:48 -0800 From: Alice Springs Subject: comercial/Jawbreaker Well, I have some semi-Liz content... I saw a comercial today for the Pentium III Processor, and they played "Tra La La" in the background. It wasn't Liz's version, but still, it reminded me of it. Has anyone seen "Jawbreaker"?! I thought it was one of the best movies since "Heathers"!! Except Marilyn Manson's little part was so minor...Was he really necessary??... Take care, M e l o d y "I wish you all the joy that you can wish." +++++William Shakespeare+++++ "Music is the perfect type of art. Music can never reveal its ultimate secret." +++++++Oscar Wilde+++++++ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:27:41 -0500 From: "tree shadow" Subject: katie's word association the first word that comes to my mind when i think of liz has always been beauty. not just in an appearance way, but the way she sings, the way she plays, her lyrics, everything.she just seems like a beautiful spirit, all around. steven, uninspired Homer: Doughnut? Lisa: No thanks, do you have any fruit? Homer: This has purple stuff inside, purple is a fruit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:29:07 +0000 From: Ascending to the Stars Subject: ruthie's fabulous weekend (even though now i'm sick) hey all.. i know you missed me... i was sick yesterday so i didnt' come to school, so i didnt' check my email. but i watched a lot of tv-- including seeing an episode of one of the austrailian soaps (home and away, i think it was, for those aussies on the list..) twice. and then of course, pump up the volume was on last night.. fun! moving on... > I > only have one concert tape of hers, the Boston broadcast from last October, > and there are certain things she said that show that I always re-use. "What's > it to me? What's it to *yoo*?" Anyway, whoever gets my lame imitation gets a > prize > well, i dont' know if i get the prize for the imitation, but do i get a prize for being at the show with the guy to whom that comment was directed.. although most of you have already heard this, i'll tell it again. she misunderstood my friend tom screaming "i wanna do it to you" as, obviously, "what's it to you?" which really didnt' make any sense anyways. so anyways, that's my little claim to fame.. although i have a bigger one after this weekend.. more about that later.. oh, and anyone in london should go see ewan mcgreggor in "little malcom". despite what time out says, he was fabulous. and he is so nice... and i know that cause I MET HIM!!! (yes, nicole, I MET HIM!!) i met obi wan !!! and he signed stuff, and took pictures, and i made him laugh.. twice. YEAH!!! i have yet to get my pictures developed (cause i started a new role) but still... it was tremendous fun. although i was exhausted that day (saturday) cause i was out clubbing til 5am on friday night.... whoops. and now i am sick. but its weird... i feel fine, other than the fact that my throat is so sore and swollen that i can barely swallow. i guess i'll take another trip to the doctor this afternoon.... so, is anyone from the UK or europe going to the belle and sebastian bowlie weekender thang 23-25 april? i'm tryin to go, but you have to be in groups of like 4 or 5 or 6 or 8 or something for the housing, and just me and my friend jane want to go. i've sent out some email enquiries, but i was wondering if anyone on this list was interested... uh... the concert scene hasn't inspired me too much lately (chipko, pu-lease tell me you didnt' go to alan-ass over mercury rev.. i didnt' have tickets for mercury rev, but they are playing at the bowlie weekender, as are S-K, by the way...) so not much to report on that front, oh! wcse came out here yesterday, didnt' it? guess i'll go check out to see if they are any posters or anything i can pick up... oh and CHRIS!!!!!!!!!!! i accidentally deleted your email cause my telnet connection froze up... PLEASE!!!!! email me again! i miss you!! tootles all! (:ruthie:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:20:28 -0600 From: "Jenny Sayler" Subject: guestbooks Excuse me mr. hoover, do yo have a guestbook that we can sign?? b/c I would like to be honest with you *tone of extreme sarcasm in my voice* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny If you get invited to your first orgy, don't just show up nude. That's a common mistake. You have to let nudity "happen." http://www.liz-phair.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 08:00:31 -0800 (PST) From: Lana Subject: Liz, Sylvia Plath, etc. Greetings everyone! I have a few questions, comments, and concerns. First, I checked out the Collected Poems of Sylvia Plath from the library over the weekend and found a section of her earlier poems called "Juvenilia". Does anyone know if Liz named her EP after this or if it's just a coincidence? While reading the poems last night, I thought of several other similarities between her and Liz, but can't seem to remember what they were now that I'm sitting down at my computer. So it goes. Let's all hope that Liz doesn't meet the same end as dear Sylvia, however. Anyway, Plath's poetry is fucking amazing and should be required reading for everyone. Second, I read on the list a few days ago a discussion about the meaning of "Easy". This may sound bizarre, but I always thought the song had to do with her meeting her biological mother or father. "I can't believe that you found me after all these years..I guess you must have something heavy on your mind." Or maybe I'm on crack. And lastly, why have there been so many posts lately about guestbook "jerks"??? I mean, doesn't dealing with random comments come with the territory of having a web page?? I say the best reaction is NO reaction, dear Mr. Hoover. Obviously, this person is just trying to get a rise out of you and you are playing into his/her game. Believe me, I deal with mean people for a living...don't give 'em what they want or they'll never stop, my friend. Is there anyone on the list from KY? And also, does anyone know if Liz will be playing near KY in the future? I saw her in Nashville last summer at Lilith and would pay to spend a night with her some more. Haha. Sorry. Also, is anyone else out there addicted to the newest Sheryl Crow cd?? I can't get "Crash and Burn" out of my head. It's as if she read my diary and wrote a song about it. Ok--'nuff rambling. Thanks! Lanabanana NP--XTC "Skylarking", the ultimate springtime soundtrack _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 11:22:21 -0500 (EST) From: Dennis Junkoo Kim Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #61 On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, support-system-digest wrote: > > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:21:19 EST > >From: AngelLieb@aol.com > Subject: Liz article, Blondie picture, word associations > > Ohki, here's an article I found not too long ago. It's from the > February issue of the INsite magazine. They had a section called > "Flesh for Fantasy: INsite compares Rock's Sex Queens." > more like "we here at INsite masturbate quite a bit". > - -------------------------------------------------- > Liz Phair > > Known as: Indie-rock's foul-mouthed good girl, who's debut > Exile in Guyville sold 200,000 copies. > Used to look like: The cool, artsy, girl in the apartment next door. > Now looks like: The rich girl in the apartment on the other side. doesn't she live in a house? > Biggest Mistake: Whip-Smart more like: "album that went over our sloped-foreheads while we were busy masturbating" > Smartest Move: Talkin' dirty to hard-up rock critics. can't argue with that. > Doesn't want you to know that: She was really never a slut. "unfortunately for us at INsite where all we do is masturbate." > Would be sexier if: She'd stop talking about her damn baby. "because it makes us realize that some people actually have SEX!" > Current status: Despite the serious decline in her use of dirty-talk > on her new album Whitechocolatespaceegg, she's definitely > a M.I.L.F. > - -------------------------------------------------- "WCSE is definitely more cerebral, but unfortunately, we're a little too shallow to care. And MILF is the type of clever, sophomoric acronym we use all the time on chicks. No wonder we masturbate so much." Ed's note: ok, that was satire. masturbation is natural and healthy in moderation. remember, practice safe masturbation and buckle your seatbelts and floss. d. www4.ncsu.edu/~djkim2 End of support-system-digest V2 #61 *********************************** (haha! just kidding kids.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 08:42:46 PST From: "Chipko Arnold" Subject: Guess who i went to see last night..... Yes, Jason Falkner!!!!! Got blown out for Alan-ass tix, so headed off to see the ex-Jellyfish man. It was pretty darn good too. AM got an "adequate" review in the papers, so it was a good thing i missed it. I wanted to go so i could shout "fuck and run" really loudly during her set. Nevermind. Tonight i'm off to see,umm, who is it now, let me wrack my brain, three letters..... E. something, there's an R. and i'm sure an M. it'll come to me. My friend won tix in a fan club draw, i still didn't, next time i'm sure i'll be lucky. They can't be much good as it's only a small venue!!!!!!!!!!! I must stop thinking about it, or i'll be sick. REALLY! On another note, tomorrow is Robyn Hitchcock's birthday (3/3 or for our American chums 3/3) so HAPPY BIRTHDAY UNCLE BOBBY AND ANDY (Metcalfe - former Egyptians bass player). Of course, as i get this on digest it's their birthdays today, DOH! Still no Liz news. Fingers crossed, i've heard the plans though!. Anyone here got the Ninian Hawichk album Steep Steps? Great stuff, it's on the fabulous Dreamy label and it's very bizarre, but very wonderful. Thought i'd mention it. Must go, i'm gonna hurl! Breathe deep, relax, calm down.........Bye. "and i wonder how i've come to know so much less than i knew before" ... Joseph Lee Henry. "i know the promise is so much better than the real thing" ... Grand Drive. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:19:18 +0100 From: johnny mala leche Subject: life as a dog named alvarez maybe you all think shit is made up in the US but i just mentioned that i think "uncle alvarez" (you know the song on the new cd i bought a month ago) the mainstream bus rider that i am, you all are so indie for me, does anybody else think it's southamerican (colombian sounding?) i would appreciate some answers from some nerds out there. i don't wanna bitch but iknow somebody has live liz phair and maybe they're tired of trading by now but c'mon, you can mail to my mother's house in maryland, i got some nice trades as well. please! ps :to Lanabanana, the first time i saw liz phair, she remindedme of sylvia in a photo of her in a striped shirt with one of the babies. and poppies, even tho i know poppies are common in poetry but shit i cant remember if she wrote her lyrics on the sleeve on other albums but now that i read them, they are pretty feely and poetic. and i as well don't understand the bitching about guestbooks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 16:27:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: Poppies I just thought I'd share a really meaningless nugget with everyone. (And I wondered why people don't seem to read my posts... it's these completely annoying nuggets). It is, however, Liz-related. I just realized, while listening to "Only Son" (the ken's cds version "daddy daddy daddy daddy," although this is of no significance to the story), sometimes, when Liz sings the line "All these babies are born like a field full of poppies" I picture a field full of my grandfather because we call him Poppy. Since you all *probably* don't know my grandfather, just picture a field full of this one 80 year old man. Just like thousands of him. Just picture your grandfather. Yeah. Picture a field full of your grandfather. Your dad's dad. It's pretty funny? Yes? I thought so. Okay... later. - -Nicole "field full of poopies"<-- stinky W. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 13:28:16 -0500 From: Peter Washington Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #61 Nicole wrote: > Nicole "orange and blue" W. That reminds me of something that's been bugging me. White Chocolate Space Egg goes "Orange and blue, green and pink ... Purple, yellow, reddish brown ..." The first four just happen to be the national colors of Ireland. What is the significance of the other three? My thoughts were maybe that the colors represent the nationalities of herself and her husband (in other words, the parents of Nick) but I don't know her background or that of her husband. That's all. No axes to grind today. Peter Today's Word of the Day, direct from Webster's Third New International and Dictionary: wooly butt: (n) ... 2. BASTARD MAHOGANY. NP: The greatest album ever, Blood on the Tracks ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:22:22 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Connolly Subject: Sounds like? Okay, a little help here. If you were trying to get someone to listen to Sleater-Kinney, who's fans would you try to shop them too. Not necessarily who they sound like (although that's an option), but who they feel like. NP: the awesome _The Hot Rock_, S-K's new one. == Mikey C Va Beach An unfammous, but not that kind, of man. "Sometimes at night. When I hear the wind. I wish I was crazy again." - - Johnny Cash (liner notes on _Unchained_) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:42:53 EST From: LULU428@aol.com Subject: ramblings I finally caught up somewhat on my digest readings- yeah, those girlysound cd's were patrick oltraver, thanks Jason for clearing that up! I will definitly send more money to Ken for those cd's, although I am in the process of getting tapes too, cause I can't wait! I hate listening to you guys talk about songs I haven't heard yet. also, thanks for the encouraging posts from all of you about teaching- it was definitly appreciated. now i'm off to do report cards. so how many people are going to this liz phair fest this summer in chicago? I am not able to but just curious. I would love to be able to meet all of you. its funny cause phish fans use the ph in the beginning of all their words and my "phriends" and I laugh about how corny it is all the time. It's funny to see it used in another context. later phair phans, Lani ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:08:01 -0600 From: palik@ix.netcom.com Subject: Liz selling Pentium IIIs ? Is that Liz's version of the "Tra-La-La Song" on the new INTEL Pentium III ads on TV ? Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:13:50 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Would Herbert Hoover please get a life? Ohki all, sorry to vent again, but I'm pretty sure that whoever this "Herbert Hoover" is didn't really unsubscribe to this list. If he did, that's cool, but that doesn't mean he's not gonna stop signing my guestbook and such. Who ever keeps signing it as a dead president REALLY needs to get a life! If he keeps signing it, I have the power to delete them and such, but it's so annoying though! The only thing I can think of is this guy is a poor loser who has no friends and wants to be loved. Well, sorry. Bad news for you, Mr. Hoover Whatever, you're not going to win the love from me. "Just let it out, let it go." ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Katie ();) The mind is the best instrument to play. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:15:52 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Tiffany M Wilson Subject: help! Hey all, I had to erase probably 15 digests without reading them because my mailbox was too full and I never have time to catch up (and stupid me signed up for a New Order mailing list today). So, what's up with Ken's tapes/discs? I'm interested, but I missed what to do. I know he's still taking donations. But, how do we express interest. And what's up with the tape tree? I really hope I didn't delete anything important... so, please help if you have any info for me... - -Tiff "I'm just an ant in Alaska to you." -Liz Phair "All you ever wanted was someone to take care of you. All you're ever losing is a little mascara..." -Paul Westerberg (The Replacements) "This is why events unnerve me, they find it all a different story. Notice whom for wheels are turning, turn again and turn towards this time... Oh, I'll break them down, no mercy shown. Heaven knows, it's got to be this time..." -Ian Curtis (Joy Division) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:17:35 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Valerie Barry Subject: Re: M.I.L.F, afghan whigs, departed listers katie wrote (or copied, as the case may be): Current status: Despite the serious decline in her use of dirty-talk on her new album Whitechocolatespaceegg, she's definitely a M.I.L.F. am i the only one out here that doesn't know what M.I.L.F. means? am i so out of the loop, or was this an acronym created by the illustrious author? is it "mama i'd like to f***," or "muse in lou's ferrari", or any other stupid thing i can think of? any afghan whigs fans out there? i just saw them friday night, and it was a truly amazing show. entertainig, intense, very funked-up (they even worked a cover of michael jackson's "don't stop til you get enough" into a song intro), and greg dulli, normal, even plain, appearance aside, manages to convey this amazing sexuality...go if you have the chance! and, old list members....whatever happend to FRAN? he used to amuse me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:21:55 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "John Cotter" Subject: 2-12-99 maine for trade have tape of 2-12-99 portland maine for trade analog, ~40 minutes, middle of floor will trade for other liz tapes have put show on cd also, email me and we can talk help me out, i need more liz tapes peas john c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:22:44 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: tommyk7@excite.com Subject: it's late...and I'm not sleeping *yawn* Yes, I'm still awake. 4:15 AM and I can't sleep. No crying child to tend to and I'm not in college either. No, not drugs. Unorthodox sleep patterns just get me once in a while, so I thought I'd read the latest SS digest. Quite thin this morning I must say. Maybe I'll start a new thread. Yes, that's the answer... ...So I was trying to fall asleep to some music (as I always do) and, after appraising my CD collection for at least 5 minutes, a wave of nausea came over me. Over half of my discs are no longer worthy of being played in my presence. To be a little more concise, they fucking SUCK! A little while ago, I actually lied in bed and listened to Sheryl Crow's first album in its entirety. Have you ever tried this? It was almost painful. Unsavory, even. Please don't think that I'm 'dissing Sheryl, because I adore her second album and I like her latest. But "Tuesday Night Music Club" just wasn't pulling its weight tonight. Back to that thread idea. Based on tonight's events and the high esteem I hold for y'all (no, I'm not a hick but I do live in Virginia), I need more music. No, not just more (I'm greedy) - BETTER music. It's probably been done before, and it's quite similar to the "if-stuck-on-an-island-what-5-CDs-would-you- take" thread. Simply, I know that ALL people own at least ONE album that they consider a "must have." You know, an CD that has 12 tracks and you love 9 of them (or even all 12). I have very few such discs. I definitely have less than 10 (not counting Liz, mind you). Selfishness taking over now: I want more of them. So I would like to offer 5 discs in my collection for which I would say to anyone, "buy it now." These are not necessarily my 5 "favourite" (for Ruthie, et.al.) albums - - It's 5 CDs that I feel "should" be owned because they are, in a word, masterpieces. My own rules for choosing were: no soundtracks, greatest hits, compilations, singles, live albums, box sets or bootlegs (sorry, Girly Sounds). In honor of the upcoming NCAA basketball tournament, I wanted to name this thread the "Elite Eight:" 5 albums go on the list, plus EIG, WS and WCSE automatically holding the top three spots (not open to negotiation). Can we do this? Please? C'mon, I'm hurting here... Here goes 1. 2. 3. 4. Beastie Boys - "Paul's Boutique" 5. R.E.M. - "Murmur" 6. Phish - "Rift" 7. Barenaked Ladies - "Gordon" 8. The Smiths - "The Queen Is Dead" The promise: If you don't own one or more of these discs, acquire them for instant orgas...er...joy TMK He's in a bunch of movies Really stupid movies It's not entirely his fault You can't control it all - -The Juliana Hatfield 3, "Spin The Bottle" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:24:07 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Nearco" Subject: Re: Lounge AX and I hate "hotmail" Alas, I have no luck about Liz's concert. First of all, as you guys know, Liz cancelled some concerts last fall. The concert I had a ticket was involved one of them, (at Columbus, OH. If I knew the fact before, I would go to Cleveland definitely.) despite the day was my birth day. So I was really looking forward to see Liz at Lounge AX. Actually, I am going to back my country (i am a Japanese) next month. It was supposed last chance to see Liz for me. Though Liz is a cereblity, she is not very popular. Even among younger my friends, she is not so well known. So she may not come to Japan, though Alanis come. I usually receive mails from "support system" by "hotmail". As the users of it know, the server had been down in last week (2/16-2/20). I could not read any information about her concert in this term. I had no idea when and how do the ticket was sold. Unfortunately, tickets had gone in this term. I hate "hotmail". I curse my destiny. Is there no God on the way I go? I would be grateful if somone can give me the extra ticket to this pathetic man. M. Kawauchi, Ribot@city-online.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:29:13 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Jaime" Subject: My take on Mr. J. Feelgood >>``Johnny Feelgood'' is more likely an ode to the joys of >>emotional slumming -- living periodically in the danger zone while >>maintaining a >>basic grasp of oneself. And that tension is part of falling in love. Okay everyone else is putting their two cents in on the song-- Here's mine: I believe* that any girl who has ever been in any sort of abusive relationship would agree that not only is it the worst relationship you've ever had, but also the most passionate-- you know how "make-up" sex is, well in abusive relationships, "make-up" sex is a consistent part. Also, when two people who like fighting are together, you thrive on it! You get a type of high, an adrenaline rush maybe, from every fight. And when your not fighting-- you are so in love. Its a vicious cycle. Perhaps that is one reason why it is so hard to leave. And I should say that I do speak from experience-- My first love and I had the most passionate/abusive relationship... And though I do not condone any abuse, and though I did not enjoy the abuse-- it was something that made the relationship so chock full of passion. And one reason I love Liz so much is because I can relate to EVERY song! Never have I heard a musician that I could relate to on so many levels. I related to her "johnny" relationship... I think she is saying that "johnny" was a self-absorbed guy she idolized and she got this guy, and when she did, she realized that this guy "knocked her down" yes, verbally and emotionally (I don't think he hit her) I think he put her in her place. He "dragged her around" by her ego. I think he was her first real love and he hit her so hard-- in her emotions, from all angles. She had an image of herself and he showed her a different image-- an image she never thought about. I think she admired this in him. This was her most passionate relationship, obviously, because how many years has she been singing about her obsessions for "johnny" ? She owes him alot, for showing her this image she never could have seen without him. I am thankful for "johnny" because without him, we never would have seen so many aspects of Liz. _The Divorce Song_ is a song I feel is about "johnny", and in the song she says "When you that I wasn't worth talking too, I had to take your word on that" He obviously did not regard her feelings, but when he said this-- she agreed. I have often been in the situation when someone has said that I wasn't worth talking too... And before Liz I would get defensive and pissed--- but now, after Liz, I really think I would think about the statement (as she did) and figure out if I was worth talking too. I believe she admired "johnny's" honesty so much, because he forced her to look at herself and her actions. I believe we all need a little honesty now and then... Hey, maybe that's what she is trying to tell us! "Never realized I was so dirty and dry, til he knocked me down started dragging me around"--- Here she explains how she never saw her faults, or how she actually could be in someone else's eyes-- Until "johnny" showed her this. Now, after "johnny" she can look at her entire self, faults and all... Not many people can do this-- most usually look at all their good points and act like conceited assholes, or they only focus on their faults and are emotional basket cases, constantly thinking of their images. I applaud Liz for finally finding a happy-medium !!! I know I just wrote a novel, so I'll stop now... and also, Sorry = Jason!!! this was probably a bounced message... - ---Jaime *I do not speak for others, I merely assume based on opinions of other I have spoken with, and of course my own. ***"I've got seven other men in the ditches behind me, and I think I'm the last survivor"*** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:30:30 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Jay Winston" Subject: Re: world cafe As far as legit CD's go, they come out with a "best of the world cafe" one app. every time WXPN does a fund drive, which could conceivably have a track on it by Liz, but it would be unprecedented to release her whole performance. can't tell you about the used CD store in Manayunk, but I'll check it out when I'm down there next week. Jay P.S. congress is basically a mix of smug white guys and smug white SUPREMACIST guys. I think that's the important distinction. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:33:11 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Please read! (Re: Bounced messages) [I posted this quite some time ago, but thought a repost of it now would be appropiate. Not to single anyone out, but could we all especially pay attention to the part in number four about not quoting the entire previous digest? It's just common sense, and I've said this several times before. Sorry to always be harping about this, but sometimes I just don't have time to deal with bounced messages, especially those due to careless posting. Thanks. - JL] Hey everyone, Usually I'm fairly easy-going as the owner of this mailing list, but at this time, I would like to make a few requests of everyone: 1. If you have multiple email accounts, please remember to post from the one you use to subscribe to the list. Otherwise your messages will just bounce to me and will not make it to the list until I have a chance to forward them. 2. Do not send unsubscribe requests to the list. This sends your message to the list itself, and quite frankly, there's nothing that anyone can do to help you. Please follow the instructions for unsubscribing as they appeared in the welcome message you received when you first joined the list. If you no longer have this message, you can find the information on the web at . Or, if you're really desperate, email me privately and I'll remove you from the list myself. Just don't clutter the list with administrative requests -- you'll just end up frustrating the members of the list who have to read them, and you'll also end up a little frustrated yourself to find that you're still subscribed to the list. 3. Do not send HTML-encoded messages to the list. You may be unaware that you are doing this, as the message will look normal to you. However, not all mail readers can handle this type of mail (for example, those using Unix shells). These messages do bounce from the list for a reason, and once again, won't make it through until I have a chance to forward them myself after deleting the HTML content. If you are using any mail program built into a web browser (IE, Netscape, etc.), make sure your options are set for 'plain-text' only. 4. Please use common sense when posting. For example, if your signature file is longer than your message itself, please do not include it. Also, be responsible when quoting from previous digests. Include just enough so that people can see what you are responding to and can easily follow the thread, but do not quote excessively or unnecessarily. Whatever you do, DO NOT quote the entire previous digest -- common sense should dictate that no one really needs to read the entire previous digest again. These messages are always too long for the listserve to handle and will only bounce to me anyway, but if they were to go through, you can bet a lot of people would be annoyed by this needless cluttering of the list. I'm sorry if this comes off as being a little harsh -- I really hate playing the bad guy, but it seemed that a refresher on list etiquette was needed. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:43:56 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: KB Katie, Do me a favor if you talk to KB before Sunday. Please ask her if it's ok to call her on Sunday night. I just wanna know if she's gonna be around or not. Thanks! Craig _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 22:19:22 -0800 From: Brian Carmichael Subject: Re: Sessions / why I hate KSPS-TV I believe I can shed some light on this subject: "Hey hey.. I havn't been paying much attention to Liz Land but.. I did mark down february 28th as a special TV date with Liz on KSPS PBS isnt it.. from Spokane, WA which I am oh so fortunate to get here in Canada. I thought the time was at 7:00pm pacific standard.. but doods.. it wasn't on at all. some ballroom dancing was on!!!! so anyone from Calgary or (God forbid) even Spokane, please let me know why my story went sad." I am from Edmonton, and am also (unfortunately) in KSPS territory. Sessions was actually scheduled to air at 1:00 AM on last Saturday night, the Program Manager at KSPS-TV told me in an email eight weeks ago. Anticipating (or perhaps expecting) a possible disaster, I set the vcr to start taping early and ending late, but it was never meant to be. Upon checking the tape the next morning, as I was out late, I noticed that the show before Sessions ran very late...in fact I fast forwarded 50 minutes of that particular show - a Dr Who episode from circa 1978. KSPS then had a message - "Due to the length of the previous program, this show will be joined in progress." I was then treated to the last 10 minutes of the Liz segment and the rest of the show...it seems that Sessions actually started a half hour late but the first 20 minutes were not broadcast. Needless to say, after waiting eight weeks, I was pretty pissed off. Bunch of savages. Brian ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #62 ***********************************