From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #57 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, February 26 1999 Volume 02 : Number 057 Today's Subjects: ----------------- shit [MrE ] sometimes a dream... ["Jenny Sayler" ] here's more help about Ken's CD [Oh4sythia@aol.com] phar out [MrE ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #56 ["David Kelley" ] Poster kids [Anthony Friscia ] 6'1" ["April Haitsuka" ] Liz on World Cafe [CARULLO@fordham.edu] Liz on World Cafe [NEXTKIN@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V2 #56 ["keelyfish" ] curses on schoolwork ["Nicole W." ] thanks [Katie Brown ] Shitloads of money, Johnny Feelgood analysis, Nicole's PH ["Darrin J. Sch] "Picture This" and "What Makes You Happy"? [Meredith Robbins ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] small clubs ["*louisepost*" ] Re: support-system-digest ["Cassandra Burrows" ] A poll for everyone [AngelLieb@aol.com] A request [Jason Long ] Liz on syndicated "World Cafe" 2/26/99 [TADude9999@aol.com] Village Voice poll results [Jason Long ] ebay liz auctions [Oh4sythia@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:14:28 -0800 From: MrE Subject: shit does anyone know the owner of the guyville list? if you do, please tell him/her that i, who am not a subscriber, am fn tired of deleteing shit like this: off please Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 00:28:06 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Cooper Reply-To: guyville@listbox.com To: guyville@listbox.com Could you take my name off of this list, i don't know how it got on there!!! Jennifer Cooper jecooper@indiana.edu and this: ubject: Message not deliverable Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:47:08 -0500 From: Administrator@dpc.senate.gov (Administrator) Reply-To: guyville@listbox.com To: guyville@listbox.com Please take my name off anything you've got it on. ...about 40 of these today. MrE - -- "Isn't it a universal truth that men regret their lives, and die wishing they could live again?" ~~ from Everville by Clive Barker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 00:29:13 -0600 From: "Jenny Sayler" Subject: sometimes a dream... >p.s. does anyone remember the hand motions to this ditty when played with >only 2 people? I swear there is a hand-clapping sequence that goes with it, >but none of my friends can recall one. When I was little we did this: Bubblegum bubblegum in a dish How many pieces do you wish my mother told me to pick the very best one and you are not it So we didnt do a hand clappy thing, but a you're not it thing instead ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny If you get invited to your first orgy, don't just show up nude. That's a common mistake. You have to let nudity "happen." http://www.liz-phair.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 01:35:51 EST From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: here's more help about Ken's CD A LOT of people have been asking about Ken's CDs, and since I just found out about them myself (the hard way - browsing old digests), I've helped at least 5 of them by e-mail. Let me just post some hints for others still confused. Go to the lists archives at www.smoe.org/lists/support-system. Look for the last post on #109 from last year. You can read it for yourself, but to make a long story short, Ken was bidding for some tapes of the studio sessions of wcse's recording and he needed money so anybody from the list who gave him some money ($2 minimum) would get a cd copy of the tapes. I contacted him by e-mail and he's still accepting donations at Kenneth Lee P.O. Box 1972 Union City, CA 94587-6972 Hope that helps, Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 22:42:48 -0800 From: MrE Subject: phar out >>Phame! I'm gonna live phorever! I'm gonna learn how to phly... >>Nicole ...truly an artist! - -- "Isn't it a universal truth that men regret their lives, and die wishing they could live again?" ~~ from Everville by Clive Barker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 00:47:26 -0600 From: "David Kelley" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #56 >Okay, I don't get it either. Isn't "Easy" about an ex-boyfriend trying to >get back into Liz's life. I know she mentions thinking he was dead, but he >didn't actually die, did he? That's the way I interpret it. A guy who had left her life (died) and was now back (haunting the halls). I still think the "I laughed when I heard you died, 'cause I didn't know what else I was gonna do.. now I laugh when I see you alive 'cause I think your just pulling my leg" is really funny. >I gave a copy of wcse to a friend, who just returned it with a note saying >"yucky Liz Phair." Hmph, some people have no taste. I know, just look at the Grammys. David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:20:57 -0800 From: Anthony Friscia Subject: Poster kids For those of you that may care about the second best musical act to come out of Illinois, the new Poster Children album came out yesterday and it's amazing. It's their first fully self-produced album, and the first since they left Reprise. I have yet to check out the CD-ROM enhancement stuff on it, but considering that Rose (the bass player) programmed it, I'm sure it will not disappoint. Cheers, tony "the newbie" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:31:34 -0800 From: "April Haitsuka" Subject: 6'1" I've kind of got a workable version of 6'1" for my guitar, mostly from watching the Sessions video. The only part I can't figure out is the bridge/outro. Can anyone help? April =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= April Haitsuka april@haitsuka.simplenet.com ELINA- How will we live? BILL- We'll get jobs. ELINA- Yes, we'll get jobs and be happy. BILL- No, we'll get jobs and pay the rent, we'll get credit cards and be happy. -- from "Theory of Achievement" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:29:37 -0500 From: CARULLO@fordham.edu Subject: Liz on World Cafe Hey everybody To see if you can hear World Cafe on your friendly neighborhood radio station, see the World Cafe web site; http://xpn.org/sections/world_cafe.html I know that in New York, World Cafe can be heard on WFUV (90.7 FM) weeknights from 9 - 11 PM. Later Valerie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:47:19 EST From: NEXTKIN@aol.com Subject: Liz on World Cafe Hey all!!! I live a stones throw from Philly so......, as long as my tape recorder works, I'll be taping the World Cafe with Liz on Friday afternoon. As long as it comes out OK, I'd be glad to make copies. If you're interested, drop me a line. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 10:55:48 -0600 From: "keelyfish" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #56 BECKY CROW!!! I lost your address! I'm sorry! If you send it to me, I'll send your very late tape to you : ) Thank you : ) Sorry, list! keely ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 12:34:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: curses on schoolwork Last night, this girl said I could stop by her place if I wanted to take a break from studying for my Psychology test. I decided to stop by, and she and her roommate were watching... Stealing Beauty! It was past the part that has "Rocket Boy" in it. :( The thing is, they had the video tape, and I was really wanting to stay and get to see the vid for rocket boy cuz I've never seen it, but my conscience got the better of me and I left like 30 min. before the movie was over to go back to my dorm and study a bit more. :( I am pissed that they were watching THAT movie cuz I really wanted to stay and watch and stuff. Couldn't they have been watching something that is not related to Liz and furthermore doesn't contain a liz video after the film ends???? Damn school. It fucks everything up. The worst part is, someone posted somethign about remembering the "bubble gum bubble gum..." mantra, but not the last phone number dialed, and I just took my psychology test which contained information about SHort term memory and long term memory and all that shit, and I ALREADY FORGOT IT! I mean I JUST TOOK the damned test. Ironic? Well it's bothering me because how can I expect to possibly MAJOR in psych if i forget everything I learn?? AUGH! - -Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 13:17:35 -0500 From: Katie Brown Subject: thanks hi - sorry to do this here but i am freaky busy now... special thanks to peter and jenny and katie for the recent gifts! i will email you all individually when i can.. thanks also to craig for getting my lounge ax ticket... who is definitly going? i LOVE Liz's version of "Alright Now" by Free, thanks you know who! :) i'll do a top ten later, thanks KB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:51:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Darrin J. Schroeder" Subject: Shitloads of money, Johnny Feelgood analysis, Nicole's PH Lisa submitted the following: > first of all, > Darrin: > sweetie, i appreciate sarcasm as much as the next chickie. (no, >actually i live for it) i also want to thank you for focusing your >reply on the money aspect and not the ideological point, that helps >the ladies' case even more. (yes, sarcasm) And later Lisa wrote: > Darrin, this should interest you. > > My facts were wrong. According to the paper today, (see how timely >this digest is??) women make only 74 cents on the dollar which is only >a 15 cent increase since 1963 (that would be less than half a penny per >year for you math types and contrary by half to my earlier >caclulation). Don't worry though, women with executive degrees earn >only 68 cents to the dollar. > >My guess is that men die earlier from all the bad karma being thrown >their way. Ha, good one(s)! (I enjoy sarcasm, too, but I don't live for it; I'm just alive to convert oxygen to carbon dioxide. Top secret government mission and all). Cuz after all, just having a penis isn't enough to make me feel superior, I hafta make more money than you, too! (Darrin ducks as karma flies) > Second: > on that liz and abuse and women's lyrics article > >that was pretty interesting. i mean, you could read liz's lyrics in > johnny feelgood a hundred different ways (i.e. the genius of liz) like >if i wanted to defend the idea that some women just need to be hit >(thank you jimmy stewart!) i could point to the song. if i wanted to >say that women like the bad boy thing from a purely emotional >standpoint, i could point to the song. if i wanted to say that liz is >full of shit and demeans the real problems that battered women face, >then i could point to the song. if i wanted to say that the song has >nothing to do with domestic issues but is really about heroin abuse, i >could point to the song. (think about it, hard core drugs work really >well in the place of "johnny") Excellent points, Lisa. Should *anyone* really try to give rock music *so* much power over people's attitudes, beliefs, and actions? I think the screwed up people of this world (racists, homophobes, paedophiles, physical abusers both male and female, lawyers, etc.) were/are screwed up LONG before any media comes into play. We keep hearing how cannibalistic murders like Jeff Dahmer *enjoyed* killing small animals, the family pet, etc. when they were really young, and I fail to see how (or maybe I just reject the idea) that normal kids would behave in such frightening ways after watching the Road Runner and Wylie Coyote. After all, hundreds of thousands of kids watched the same thing, and the vast majority *didn't* turn into horrible people. Courtesy of Nicole: >Look at "PH". Why does that combination of letters equal an "F" sound? >Okay I'm just looking at that. Anyway... Phuck it! I think I'll Phlap >my wings and Phly away from here. And then... >Phame! I'm gonna live phorever! I'm gonna learn how to phly... Phuck that phemale is phunny! I phear the phanphare and phlames this phaithful Phair phan will phace will be phrom phatheads who phear pheminists. Phinally I'm phinished. I remain... Darrin _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 99 16:24:43 -0500 From: Meredith Robbins Subject: "Picture This" and "What Makes You Happy"? Speaking of Blondie... Okay, maybe I'm on crack here, but has anyone else noticed a similarity between the opening chords of "What Makes You Happy" and Blondie's "Picture This"? I'm no music major, and the resemblance isn't exactly uncanny, but there's definitely a strong echo of "Picture This" in "What Makes You Happy." Give it a listen. If you think I'm on crack, go ahead and say, "Meredith, you surely have taken one too many hits off the crack pipe." It's okay--I can take it. >So I will explain that my lame joke was really more of a "where's meredith" >thing? Her sigs always had a line from Wodehouse's "Very Good, Jeeves!" I >miss her posts... Aw, you people are nice. Love, Meredith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ "The capital is still reeling from shock today after it was revealed that at least eight members of the Senate are smug, white bastards." --Suck (http://www.suck.com) eclectricity Exile in Netville ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:06:04 -0800 From: veravani@student.law.ucla.edu (Paul Veravanich) Subject: Does anyone want to do a 2:1 trade? Hi all, I'd like to get either a tape or a CD-R copy of a Liz show (I'm not too particular as to which tour or show) but I don't have any Liz shows to trade and don't have an audio recording device. Pretty pathetic, I know. So ... is anyone out there interested in doing a 2:1 CDR or audio tape trade with me? Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:07:05 -0800 From: veravani@student.law.ucla.edu (Paul Veravanich) Subject: Tape Tree? Is there a status report on whether the tape tree is in effect yet? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:17:52 EST From: LizzyPurr@aol.com Subject: Girlysound Hi i'm lizzy and i'm new to this mailing list, and i love liz phair but i need to improve my collection. I was woundering if someone could tell how to get a hold of a CD or Cassette copy of the full GirlySound Demos? I would really appreciate it. Thanks, Lizzy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:20:38 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: Tape Tree? >Is there a status report on whether the tape tree is in effect yet? Since people don't seem to bother reading my posts, here's an excerpt from yesterday's: "For all those who are curious, I'm still working out the structure for the tree for the three Chicago shows, and I should have it posted before the end of the weekend." Sorry if I seem a little pissy, but it's just been one of those days. Ugh, Jase NP: XTC, _Apple Venus, Vol. 1_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 18:56:12 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "michael webster" Subject: Help Me Mary on WHFS Hey everyone, I was at work today listening to 99.1 WHFS. From 12 to 1 every day they do something called Lunch From the Archives. It was about quarter to one when they played Help me Mary. I was so excited. Just hearing that song played on the radio got me through a long-ass day of work. As it turns out, this was a request that someone had called in. Just thought i would share. It really made my day. Later, Mike P.S. Coincidently(or maybe not), the song they played right before it was the original version of Turning Japanese, so i was already thinking of Liz when they started to play Help Me Mary. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:12:12 -0500 From: "*louisepost*" Subject: small clubs hey i feel like i should *POST* somefin since i'm on the list but i dunno what to really say except for i think *liz phair* fucking rocks and it would be so cool to see her in a small club my ex-grrrrrrlfriend saw her in *chicago* like in october or somefin and like actually got to talk to her cuz she got backstage or somefin and like she knows people so i think that's why she got to met her but she was really psyched about it =) bye byes *+*the future is a whore she promises herself to everyone*+* *+*the bitch is back and she's ready to party*+* Get your Free E-mail at http://veruca-salt.zzn.com ___________________________________________________________ Get your own Web-Based E-mail Service at http://www.zzn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:19:48 PST From: "Cassandra Burrows" Subject: Re: support-system-digest Jason, as much as I love Liz, I just don't have time for this anymore. If you could please take me off your list that would be good. thanx, Cas ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:28:28 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: A poll for everyone Oh geez, don't I just love reading what I post the day after I posted it and then realize it didn't necessarily make any sense at all?! Oh well, I also forgot to mention that the name of the fifth husband for the Wife of Bath is Johnny. That's why I saw some relations. Anyways, nothing exciting of course....... Am I making any sense here at all? Hmmm.. I really liked Nicole's post with the Ph's and F's. Ohki....this is something I'd like for everyone to participate in! I mean EVERYONE! I'm organizing a poll for everyone who has gotten their cds from Ken. If you haven't gotten them yet, don't worry, you can still participate cuz I created two different sides. But the thing is it's a secret poll, so you have to email me. Don't worry, it ain't anything mean or anything. So please email me at AngelLieb@aol.com ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ KaTiE ();) If God were a woman, then women would be ruling the earth. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ NP: Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers_Greatest Hits ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 20:44:45 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: A request Hey all, I just wanted to remind everyone not to send 'unsubscribe' messages to the list itself; I know in the list's old days as 6'1", when everything went to me, it wasn't a problem, but anything sent to goes right to the list without making a stop in my in-box first. Honestly, I will admit that there are times when I do not read the list posts as closely as I should, and if you send an administrative request to the list, I'm not always going to catch it and you could remain subscribed. When I moved the list over to this server, everyone got an introductory message detailing the list's operation in its current format. Everyone who has subscribed to the list since then has received it as well. The message stated that it should be kept for future reference; for those who still have it, please take the time to read it again. For those who don't, you can find it on the web at . The message is a little out-of-date and I will be putting a new one together soon, but all of the information on subscribing and unsubscribing to the list is still the same. If you ever need off the list and forget how to go about unsubscribing, please do not send your requests to the list; if you must, please send them to me. That way I'll be sure not to miss your unsubscribe request, which could very well happen otherwise, and it won't clutter up the list needlessly. Thanks, Jase NP: XTC, _Fossil Fuel: The XTC Singles 1977-92_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:04:49 EST From: TADude9999@aol.com Subject: Liz on syndicated "World Cafe" 2/26/99 Someone had asked about what radio stations you might here Liz on tomorrow. The syndication is through PRI (Public Radio International) Contact them at http://www.pri.org/ Or you can go right to the radio station locator at http://www.pri.org/locator.html Click on the pull down to select a program box and go to "World Cafe" enter your state and click on find. The true World Cafe runs for 5 hours but the usually will give you an idea when something is coming up. Some of the stations carry an abbreviated version of the show so look for the full 5 hour show. This is the exact show I discovered Liz on the week EIG was released. The show is of the highest quality. TAD NP "Whip Smart" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:44:56 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Village Voice poll results Hey everyone, The results of the Village Voice's highly regarded Pazz & Jop Critics' Poll for 1998 were published earlier this week, and although Liz didn't do as well as I would have liked, _whitechocolatespaceegg_ placed at #17 for the album poll, and "Polyester Bride" tied for #69 among the singles. Liz has done much better in the past; _Exile in Guyville_ was voted the #1 album in the poll for 1993, and _Whip-Smart_ was #6 in the following year's poll. I forget exactly where it placed, but I believe that "Supernova" was among the singles that year as well. Here is an excerpt from Robert Christgau's essay about the year in music: Catch is, I'm not sure I've ever seen a hog wallow, certainly not in the South, and I doubt many OutKast voters have either. For Northern whites, the Dirty South is exotic in an all too familiar way— whenever pop fans seek "tradition" they flirt with exoticism, which often leads them south, although seldom to a drawl as ripe as Dre's. Hip hop remains disruptive by definition— even at its hookiest, it looks askance at melody and the white man's law. But in a year when rock noizetoon went, well, south, it's fitting that our two hip hop chart-toppers pursued versions of organic r&b; Gang Starr and Black Star also went for a smoothness, leaving Jay-Z and the Beasties together to trickerate the spiky stop-and-go with which so much of the deepest hip hop has complicated its booty-bump. In white people's music, familiar names sang similar tunes. Faux rapper Beck made a vrai folk record. Hole and Madonna impressed critics who disdained Savage Garden and Will Smith with albums designed for radio— albums that with no atheism aforethought I found barely convincing on their own unexceptionable terms. Liz Phair evolved from iconoclastic indie babe to quirky singer-songwriter and sold zilch, Sheryl Crow evolved from lowbrow singer-songwriter to middlebrow singer-songwriter and sold a million. Garbage's computer-tooled hooks were marketed as sex toys and swallowed that way. And drummerless R.E.M., charmless Pulp, and boundless Bruce all did what they'd always done, only worse. Either this wasn't a year when critics wanted to get all bothered, or it wasn't a year when musicians figured out interesting ways to bother them. I was a little surprised by the comment about Liz -- was anyone really expecting the album to go gold in the course of a few months? The album seems to be selling more briskly than _Exile in Guyville_ and _Whip-Smart_ did, so I don't see what there is to complain about. I could maybe understand the disappointment if Liz had released the album two years ago at the height of the 'Women in Rock' media onslaught and it sold zip, but really, _whitechocolatespaceegg_ isn't doing all that poorly and its second single was only released to radio a month ago -- there's still some life in the album yet, I would think. Also, Liz isn't known as someone who sets sales records, anyway. It maybe would be alarming for _whitechocolate_ to be selling at the rate it is had _Exile_ and _Whip-Smart_ set the charts on fire, but it took those albums five and three-and-a-half years, respectively, to go gold. If anything, the new album will likely achieve that same status much sooner than its predecessors. In case anyone is interested, you can find all of the results for the poll at . Cheers, Jase NP: XTC, _Fossil Fuel: The XTC Singles 1977-92_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1999 00:08:05 EST From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: ebay liz auctions I was looking at the Phair page on ebay and someone has already obtained and put up for auction a radio promo for Johnny Feelgood. And then there was this interesting item from xgirlbex (?): _______________________________________________________________ Liz Phair' 40 minute set opening up for alanis morissette, at the mullins center, amherst MA 2-11-99 chopsticks f*** and run johnny feelgood mesmerising flower 6'1 what makes you happy guyville polyester bride supernova white chocolate space egg good luck! ( I also have alanis' set!) _______________________________________________________________ I just thought it was funny that she advertised her Alanis set on the same blurb for the Phair set. If she read the opinions *posted* on our list (any Alanis lovers have been staying quiet... poor people) she would've realized the futility of her effort. And she thinks "guyville" is a song? Hmmmm.... [note: I hope I don't sound really mean... I'm totally saying this in an benignly amused voice, no malice included]. Leslie ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #57 ***********************************