From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #54 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, February 23 1999 Volume 02 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- top 5 [Athena.M.Waligore@Dartmouth.EDU (Athena M. Waligore)] Re: support-system-digest V2 #53 [Oh4sythia@aol.com] Nicole ["Sullivan, Sean Joseph" ] da list [Peter Washington ] jokes, songs, dope, Grains [Peter Washington ] five unreleased songs, Martina! ["Sarah =^..^=" ] i danced the irish gig with a one-armed german man [Asceding to the Start] wcse and gary gersh ["Jenny Sayler" ] Liz in Philly ["Matson, Lisa" ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #53 ["Jay Winston" ] My top ten [AngelLieb@aol.com] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Top 5 unreleased Liz songs [Jason Long ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Feb 99 01:40:29 EST From: Athena.M.Waligore@Dartmouth.EDU (Athena M. Waligore) Subject: top 5 - --- You wrote: What is everyone's top 5 favorite Liz unreleased/non-studio-album songs? - --- end of quote --- oh god, number one is definitely go speed racer. that is actually my favorite liz song I think. the others are stuck on an island, a lot of the other girlysounds(i'm assuming those count). also, i'm a big fan of waiting for the bird. I've always thought Liz Phair was unique among the "indie" set in that she has a whole crop of great songs that she's never formally realesed- but i don't like any of those 'other' artist so I may be way off the mark here- anyone know? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:49:03 EST From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #53 So Steve named his ken-CD " _Fuck You, Gary Gersh: Music for the Vacuuming Housewife_." and added the disclaimer "(Those of you who know the "inside" story on the making, rejecting, and re- making of _whitechocolatespaceegg_ should get the joke.)" Well... Very good, Steve! Those of you who pay attention to Meredith's sigs should get the joke. No, really, I do love the title. In fact, I think I mentioned that very housewife to my liz-curious college interviewer. Yes, I'm certain that I did. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 02:37:45 -0500 From: "Sullivan, Sean Joseph" Subject: Nicole Nicole, It's all good; I'm rocked right now too. Later. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:00:24 -0500 From: Peter Washington Subject: da list Six Dick Pimp, Girls! Girls! Girls!, Erecting a Movie Star (Shudder to Think featuring Liz), Don't Have Time, The Tra La La Song, Rocket Boy, Stuck On an Island, Away With the Pixies (Ben Lee featuring Liz), Shirley MacLaine (Ashtray Boy featuring Liz), Infidel (Ashtray Boy again), 6'1", Help Me Mary, Glory, Dance of the Seven Veils, Never Said, Soap Star Joe, Explain it to Me, Canary, Mesmerizing, Fuck and Run, Divorce Song, Shatter, Flower, Johnny Sunshine, Gunshy, Stratford-On-Guy, Strange Loop?, Chopsticks, Supernova, Support System, X-ray Man, Shane, Nashville, Go West, Cinco de Mayo, Dogs of L.A., Whip-Smart, Jealousy, Crater Lake, Alice Springs, May Queen, Turning Japanese, Animal Girl, California, South Dakota, Batmobile, Dead Shark, Easy, White Chocolate Space Egg, Big Tall Man, Perfect World, Johnny Feelgood, Polyester Bride, Love is Nothing, Baby Got Going, Uncle Alvarez, Only Son, Go on Ahead, Headache, Ride, What Makes You Happy, Fantasize, Shitloads of Money, Girls' Room, Hurricane Cindy, Greased Lightning, White Bird of Texas, Black Market White Baby Dealer, Elvis Be True, Fuck or Die, Beg Me, Go Speed Racer, If I Ever Pay You Back, In Love With Yourself, Hello Sailor, Wild Thing, Can't Get Out of What I'm Into, Sometimes a Dream (Is What Makes You a Slave), Do You Love Me, I Know It's Not Easy, Red Ruby Lips (not Liz at all and I'm not sure why I put it on the list), Miss Lucy, One Less Thing, Combo Platter (really just a remix of a bunch of old songs), Oh My God, Desperado Theme, Russian Girl, Tell Me You Like Me, I'm Like That, Wasted, Carnivore, Beginning To See The Light, I'll Get You High, You Have No Idea, Alright Now (partial cover), I'm a Believer, Emotional Rescue (partial cover), Alison (not known for sure to exist on tape but someone probably recorded it), Bars of the Bed, Blood Keeper. I just counted 'em. 100. Peter see above ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:00:15 -0500 From: Peter Washington Subject: jokes, songs, dope, Grains Nicole writes: > First, I must say that I hate getting stoned. > However, I have found myself stoned quite a few times lately. Curious. Why, one wonders? (Also, judging from the rest of your post I'm going to take this with the proverbial Grain since it seems the time of its composition was one of those "quite a few"--correct me if I'm wrong.) Just as a side note, I happen to enjoy it. Steve writes: > I beg your pardon! How can you possibly see that little joke, which > came complete with a disclaimer, as "harsh"? Have we forgotten Peter > Washington's 3 Simple Words story? All I was trying to do was hammer Thank you Steve. These sorts of explanations shouldn't be necessary. However, it is always possible that KaTiE was joking back, in which case you would have fallen for the old reverse-psychologico-bait-and-switch-thingie that I just made up. Craig writes: > Ok, it's been a long time since we've done any type of top 5 or top > 10 list. Kinda like the stuck on an island album thing. Here's a > new one for everyone to respond to if they want. What is everyone's > top 5 favorite Liz unreleased/non-studio-album songs? Here's mine: > 1. Russian Girl > 2. Stuck On An Island > 3. Tell Me You Like Me > 4. Carnivore > 5. Oh My God > Anyone else care to respond? Oh all right, I'm bored and after all it's only 3:30 am, the night is young. Although I must point out that under very strict criteria your nos. 2 and 5 would not count, both having been officially released and commercially available. That's alright, no big deal to me, but I'm going to impose those strict criteria on myself, thus the following list of five songs represents my list of favorite Liz songs that have in fact never been released commercially. 1. Go, Speed Racer 2. I'm Like That 3. Sometimes a Dream (Is What Makes You a Slave) 4. I'll Get You High 5. Hello Sailor Which reminds me, there was a request for me to post the list that I was just reading off (a handy resource for asking the previous question since I conveniently went in order of albums/CDs/tapes on which the songs appear and did all the official releases first, thus all the unreleased stuff was at the end). Better use a separate post. Peter Today's Word of the Day, direct from Webster's Third New International Iron Lung and Dictionary: whitmaniac: (n) an enthusiast about the poet whitman. NP: Some weird ethnic music show on NPR, and the sound of the creek outside my apartment ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:30:50 PST From: "Sarah =^..^=" Subject: five unreleased songs, Martina! >list. Kinda like the stuck on an island album thing. Here's a new >one for everyone to respond to if they want. What is everyone's top 5 >favorite Liz unreleased/non-studio-album songs? mine: 1. You Have No Idea 2. Beginning to See the Light 3. Ant in Alaska 4. Freak of Nature 5. Wasted okay, and is Martina Feichtinger around anywhere? i hope i spelled that right. if so, could you e-mail me? i moved and everything got mixed up over christmas break and it's been confusing, so . . . but i've got yr tapes all made up. . . sarah ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:24:16 +0000 From: Asceding to the Starts Subject: i danced the irish gig with a one-armed german man yes, i did, but more on that later... okay, so i'm back from a tremendous week in ireland.. it was fabulous... and apparantly i can't get any of my email. i am going to ring the necks of all the dumb-ass IT people here. i come in on saturday to check, only to be told that all the computers are offline for a systems upgrade. and seeing as how i am going to have a weeks backlog of digests, along with whatever personal email i got, i am going to need like 3 hours to go thru it all! arg! and now i can't. i am going to kill someone. um... since i haven't read any digests, i dont' really have too much else to say that would be relevent to the list... oh! i got my new cd copy of the fuck and run boot, (hugs and kisses to that anonymous source) yippie! i haven't listened to it yet though.. i'm listening to eig right now though. i really missed my stereo headphones while i was in ireland.. they were just too big to fit in my bag! okay, here's the quick summary of ireland for those who are interested (i promise, its absolutely hysterical!) first night in the hostel in dublin some girl came into our room, drunk as hell, moaning.. the only way to describe this moan was a cross between orgasm and death second night in dublin we got majorly shot down by the clubs in temple bar... one said "sorry, we're full" and the other said "we're closed". whatever. temple bar was overrated anyways 3rd day in kilkenny we discovered that the really cool castle was closed that day. bummer. but we did climb a 500 foot 500 year old tower 4th day in cork we had a blast! rang some several hundred year old church bells, kissed the blarney stone (which is supposed to grant you gift of eloquence.. is it working?) ran around inside a medieval castle (blarney castle) in order to kiss the blarney stone you have to hang upside down off the edge of the castle wall.. it was an experience. then we got back to our hostel and relaxed in the sauna (yes, sauna in the hostel). went out and got drunk. our first night galway we were in our first co-ed dorm room in the hostel. our roommates included a 40 year old german woman and a 60 year old man who spent the entire night hacking up a lung. oh, and the two FREAKS!!! who came back at 2:30am, totally drunk and otherwise fucked up, who continued drinking in the room, lighting matches in bed, singing a song that went "i wanna be a fucking monkey" and casting spells on us. yes, he started casting spells on us. it was rather frightening. and then when my friend christina cleared her throat, he goes "i've got a bullet with your name on it" that was the scariest night. then the next day we did our only organized touristy thing because it was the only way for us to get to the cliffs of moher. the people on the bus were total freaks. they got drunk at the pub we stopped at for lunch. this is where we met the one armed german man and this other sketchy guy tony. we ran into them at this pub later that night. we had all drunk a bottle of tequilla, and decided it would be really fun to just show up at this pub. so we got them to buy us many drinks, tried to keep tony from molesting us, and laura and i danced the irish gig with the one armed german man. then we went clubbing, where i met a really cute guy named patrick. we also had devised this revenge plot for when we got back to the room at the hostel. we are going to just randomly start making animal noises. unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, freak-boys were asleep, so we all just stumbled into bed. and that's pretty much it. hope you enjoyed my little story. (:ruthie:), who promises to post something relevent once she can get her damn email.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:37:48 -0600 From: "Jenny Sayler" Subject: wcse and gary gersh _Fuck You, Gary Gersh: Music for the Vacuuming Housewife_. HA HA this is funny and I dont even know what the hell it refers too. it just sounds funny, so I might have to adopt this title as my own and try to make a cover. although my trial copy of paint shop pro has expired, and I am too poor to get a real copy. =( ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny If you get invited to your first orgy, don't just show up nude. That's a common mistake. You have to let nudity "happen." http://www.liz-phair.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:44:12 -0500 From: "Matson, Lisa" Subject: Liz in Philly Well, sort of. I just heard that she will be on XPN on Friday at 3:00 pm live. That's all I know. Whether it's just an interview or she'll play some stuff I have no idea. Lisa P.S. anyone else still reeling from the Liz and Feminism discussion in which someone stated that Liz wasn't being political, but doing something personal. Welcome to Feminism 101 class: Major tenant of the women's movement #1: "The personal is political." See: Kate Millet's Sexual Politics from at least 20 years ago. you may want to read it. and to the people (dare i say the men) who referred to "chicks" and "ladies" in their discussion of feminism: let me be the first to tell you, gentle sirs, that you lost any tiny fraction of credibility you may hoped for. not just in that discussion, but pretty much going forward from there. guess you'll just have to console yourself with that extra 25 cents on the dollar you make (and lets congratulate the ladies on their astounding progress from 52 cents to 75 cents in only 30 short years!!! why, that's almost a penny a year by gosh) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- and it seems like i've got something to prove. but in some ways its just something to do - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:58:53 -0500 From: "Jay Winston" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #53 utterly ignorant question dept.: who is Ken and how can I get one of these famous CD's? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:57:25 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: My top ten << What is everyone's top 5 favorite Liz unreleased/non-studio-album songs? >> 1. Beginning to See the Light 2. Hurricane Cindy (Japanese version) 3. White Bird of Texas 4. Wasted 5. Carnivore (raw) 6. Blood Keeper (believe it or not....it's starting to grow on me) 7. Rocket Boy 8. Oh My God 9. Fuck or Die 10. Sometimes a Dream Ein prosit! KaTiE ();) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:08:16 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Sellwood Subject: Exile Hey, I just thought this was cool, there's a music magazine here (Oz) called Juice, and they did a 100 greatest albums of the 90s list and Exile in Guyville was number 18. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:10:02 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: BBelbis@aol.com Subject: Chicago Tribune's Top 50 of the 90's hey everyone, just thought i'd pass along the tribune's 50 best of the 90's. notice that liz is sitting pretty in the #2 spot. what would your top 50 of the 90's be? oh god, dare i say? let the long lists begin! :) ROCK SOLID By Greg Kot Tribune Rock Critic February 21, 1999 1. Nirvana, "Nevermind" (Geffen) The underground finally rocks the shopping malls and signals an end to the '80s, big hair, spandex and Bon Jovi. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" defines its time every bit as emphatically as the Stones' "Satisfaction," Aerosmith's "Walk This Way" and Prince's "Purple Rain" did theirs. 2. Liz Phair, "Exile in Guyville" (Matador) Phair talks to the guy who done her wrong by adopting the voice and attitude of the Stones' "Exile on Main Street" and paves the way for Alanis Morissette and countless others. 3. Public Enemy, "Fear of a Black Planet" (Def Jam) Hip-hop that outrocks any rock band, and the end of an era: the last great album of rap's first golden age. 4. Sinead O'Connor, "I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got" (Ensign/Chrysalis) One of the few albums to match the naked-truth intensity of John Lennon's "Plastic Ono Band." 5. Tricky, "Maxinquaye" (Island) A spooky, claustrophobic masterpiece from a ghetto visionary. 6. My Bloody Valentine, "Loveless" (Warner Brothers) Kevin Shields' guitar builds a new bridge between noise and pop. 7. R.E.M., "Automatic for the People" (Warner Brothers) A low-key, deeply moving meditation on the AIDS era. 8. A Tribe Called Quest, "The Low End Theory" (Jive) Building on the great East Coast rap tradition, the Tribe brings jazzier textures, slinkier beats, deeper rhymes. 9. The Orb, "The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld" (Big Life/Mercury) The final frontier of Pink Floydian psychedelia and Ground Zero for the electronica nation. 10. Beck, "Odelay" (Geffen) Like the Mad Hatter with a channel changer, Beck flips through the past and connects seemingly random moments into a grab bag of groove. 11. P.J. Harvey, "To Bring You My Love" (Island) Deep blues as scripted by Tennessee Williams. 12. Lauryn Hill, "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill" (Ruffhouse) The Tribune's Maureen Ryan said it best: This is hip-hop's answer to Liz Phair's "Exile in Guyville." 13. Smashing Pumpkins, "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness" (Virgin) Billy Corgan -- in the role of alternative rock's Phil Spector -- makes his "symphony for the kids." 14. Ice Cube, "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted" (Priority) Though it set the tone for much of the shallow, money-grubbing gangsta rap that followed, Cube's chilling portrait of ghetto culture is a sonic masterpiece done in conjunction with Public Enemy's Bomb Squad. 15. Pavement, "Slanted and Enchanted" (Matador) Indie-rock's most rewardingly cerebral pop band. 16. Radiohead, "OK Computer" (Capitol) Psychedelic arias for the machine age. 17. Moby, "Everything is Wrong" (Elektra) Techno maverick juggles rock, reggae, gospel, disco, blues and classical minimalism without fumbling. 18. Bjork, "Post" (Elektra) Quirky little earthquakes of the human heart. 19. Cornershop, "When I Was Born for the 7th Time" (Luaka Bop) Bollywood rock, raga rap and a "Brimful of Asha"- the heady sound of the new Asian underground. 20. DJ Shadow, "Endtroducing . . ." (Mo Wax/ffrr) The art of the deejay-mixer taken to new heights. 21. P.M. Dawn, "Of the Heart, of the Soul and of the Cross: The Utopian Experience" (Gee Street/Island) Hip-hop's most blissful album. 22. Portishead, "Dummy" (Go! Discs/London) The cinematic sound of one heart breaking. 23. Goldie, "Timeless" (Metalheadz/ffrr) Groundbreaking drums 'n' bass dance music that sounds great in the club, even better on headphones. 24. Flaming Lips, "Transmissions From the Satellite Heart" (Warner Brothers) An acid-rock "Fantasia." 25. Wilco, "Summerteeth" (Reprise) Young roots-rock band makes its own version of the Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds" (to be released March 9). 26. Los Lobos, "Kiko" (Slash/Warner Brothers) Veteran roots-rock band makes its own version of The Beatles' "Revolver." 27. U2, "Achtung Baby" (Island) Like Bowie in the '70s, the earnest Irish rock band reinvents itself -- and nearly finds a sense of humor -- by making a spiky, intoxicating album in Berlin. 28. Pearl Jam, "Ten" (Epic) "Can ya see the real me?" The Gen X "Quadrophenia." 29. Bob Dylan, "Time Out of Mind" (Columbia) One more masterpiece, from the brink of middle age. 30. Iris DeMent, "My Life" (Warner Brothers) The Voice sings timeless folk-country songs about God, death and the transforming power of music itself. 31. Bloque, "Bloque" (Luaka Bop) A new era of Hispanic rock begins. 32. Pet Shop Boys, "Very" (EMI) Sly, witty, bittersweet disco anthems. 33. Tupac Shakur, "Me Against the World" (Out da Gutta/Interscope) Unlike Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg and other gangsta rappers who dominated hip-hop in the mid-'90s, Shakur dared to present both sides of the "thug life" and to suggest that even in this harsh world tenderness still has a place. 34. Johnny Cash, "American Recordings" (American) Grand Canyon voice, six acoustic guitar strings and a batch of great songs. 35. Ani DiFranco, "Living in Clip" (Righteous Babe) Folk music with a Doberman's bite. 36. Sleater-Kinney, "Dig Me Out" (Kill Rock Stars) The "Sgt. Pepper" of riot grrrl rock. 37. Lucinda Williams, "Car Wheels on a Gravel Road" (Mercury) Timeless songs, exquisite singing, turmoil redeemed by beauty. 38. Tony! Toni! Tone!, "Sons of Soul" (Wing) The last great soul group. 39. Yo La Tengo, "Painful" (Matador) One of rock's best, longest-lived bands explores the sad-eyed beauty of drones, moans and murmurs. 40. Meshuggah, "Destroy Erase Improve" (Nuclear Blast) Virtuoso metal that pushes extremes on all fronts: not just faster, louder and harder, but defter, denser and more agile. 41. Jimmie Dale Gilmore, "After Awhile" (Elektra) The zen cowboy with the high, lonesome voice takes country into the realm of Dylan, Sondheim and Leonard Cohen. 42. Wu Tang Clan, "Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)" (Loud/RCA) A coming-out party for one of hip-hop's greatest sonic architects, producer RZA. 43. Beastie Boys, "Check Your Head" (Grand Royal) Started an onslaught of rap-rock-funk bands, most of which couldn't match the inventiveness of this release. 44. Belle and Sebastian, "If You're Feeling Sinister" (The Enclave) Seductive, sharp-tongued guitar pop not heard since the heyday of the Smiths. 45. Common, "Some Day It'll All Make Sense" (Relativity) A lost hip-hop classic from a master wordsmith and enlightened thinker. 46. Matthew Sweet, "Girlfriend" (Zoo) Power pop as agony, ecstasy, exorcism. 47. Arrested Development, "3 Years, 5 Months & 2 Days in the Life Of . . ." (Chrysalis/EMI) Earthy, soulful hip-hop conceals tough-minded lyrics. 48. Sepultura, "Roots" (Attic/MCA) Thrash metal goes to Brazil. 49. Paul K, "Love is a Gas" (Alias) The great lost songwriter of our time. 50. Nirvana, "MTV Unplugged"(Geffen) The flip side of grunge, with Kurt Cobain's cover of Leadbelly's "Where Did You Sleep Last Night?" serving as a haunting epitaph. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:54:38 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Top 5 unreleased Liz songs Here are my picks: 1. Blood Keeper (which is everything Steve said it was; easily among my top 5 Liz tracks ever) 2. If I Ever Pay You Back 3. You Have No Idea 4. Sometimes A Dream (Is What Makes You A Slave) 5. Beg Me I only included songs that haven't been officially released in any form; had this list included non-album tracks that have been released, "Carnivore" and "Don't Have Time" would have likely made the cut, although I am somewhat partial to "Freak of Nature" and "White Bird of Texas" as well. Jase NP: XTC, _Apple Venus, Vol. 1_ ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #54 ***********************************