From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #46 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, February 15 1999 Volume 02 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- liz in Philly 2/13/99 [TADude9999@aol.com] Don't complain [aquarius74@webtv.net (Stephanie Morris)] support-system-digest V2 #45 -Reply ["Amy Cleary" ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #45 ["Peter Washington" ] Here ["Nicole W." ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:40:45 EST From: TADude9999@aol.com Subject: liz in Philly 2/13/99 Although the King of All already posted the setlist I feel obligated two add my two cents. Liz and the band were right on,as good as I've seen them.They were like a finely tuned engine. Liz wore a black spagehtti strap dress,the spagehtti staps being thin gold chains. The dress was angled at the bottom and shear up to about mid-thigh.She did not have any shoes on.She seemed to be having a great time. I was fortunate enough to be first in line at the venue to get tickets the day they went on sale,and while I was in line I spoke to a guy who didn't know who Liz was,so from about 6am to 10am I told him about Liz. Well I saw him at the concert and he couldn't stop thanking me, he bought all her CD's and loves them, also thoght her performance was great. Unlike the King of All's experience I had quite a few people around me saying how good Liz was and that they were going to have to check her music out further. Alanis was really good as a performer and like Mick Jagger she almost never stops moving.It was tough though because I was there to see Liz,and would've been happy to leave after her performance. My seats were in the third row from the stage,two seats off center. Alanis played for 101 minutes to be exact. LIZ RULES !!! TAD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:29:52 -0800 (PST) From: aquarius74@webtv.net (Stephanie Morris) Subject: Don't complain This is for Craig- Don't complain about having to sit in the car for 4 hrs. to get Liz tix. I live in CA and she probably ain't coming 'round these parts, alone or with Alannis for a long time. I wish I only had to drive 4 hours. Oh well, I missed her here in May so I am just whining. Bye. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:18:29 -0800 From: "Amy Cleary" Subject: support-system-digest V2 #45 -Reply I will be out of the office until Feb. 22. I will respond to your e-mail when I return. Amy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:20:02 -0800 From: "Peter Washington" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #45 Patrick wrote: >Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 01:07:46 -0700 >From: Patrick Chan >Subject: self-censorship > >Hey all, > >Peter writes in response to my post... > >>>about body language and intonation.) But your 'solution' is, if I may >>be permitted to speak frankly, a bunch of shit. Self-censorship for the >>sake of others is only a concession to the overly fragile. If you can't >>take a joke, oh, I don't know, I can't think of anything to say except >>you suck. What you're suggesting would take me longer than most term >>papers I wrote. Besides, is what I write to this digest really that >>important? And if people out there don't like what I say, doesn't it >>make more sense for them to just dismiss me as an asshole than to get up >>in arms about it? > >I think you may be misinterpreting my post... which is the whole problem I've >pointed out. If I took the time to properly present my arguement this wouldn't >happen... ;-) heheh... thanks for reinforcing my point... ;-D Funny, you failed to quote the only part of my post that I actually meant in any semi-serious way. I even put it at the end so no one would forget! REMEMBER THE THREE MAGIC WORDS. I'm not the only one who misinterprets. >I don't think I would call it self-censorship... more along the lines of >writing well. Most people do not take the time or thought to write what they >actually think, nor do they present their opinions particularly clear or >concisely. Actually, the real problem is most likely the fact that most people are shitty writers. This may have something to do with the state of the public school system in this country. >This leads to misunderstandings and complete chaos. People have >to guess what you're trying to say and sometimes they guess wrong.... or they >simply misinterpret what you wrote. Also, as far as I'm concerned, you can >say whatever you damn well please.... but there are ways of saying things so >that people will listen, and ways that will make people tell you to fuck >off... it's called diplomacy. Well, it depends on what you're aiming at. If you WANT people to listen, it's called diplomacy. Sometimes it's just verbal sparring. >>You wouldn't believe how many flame wars I've been involved in. It just goes >back and forth... and the other people just continually seemed to twist my >words around... When I took the time to explain each and every point I had >to make, and to address their concerns... I suddenly had everyone agreeing >with me. Oh, you're no fun anymore. >This isn't a tactic I would recommend for all situations. Just when people >seem to continually miss your point... and when you have something "delicate" >to discuss. eg. If you didn't like wcse, it might not be in your best >interests to post "I hated wcse"... but if you worded it better.. maybe "I >wasn't happy with wcse"... and went on to explain why... you'd get a >constructive discussion going... Yes... And that would be boring. >I dunno... all my opinion and theories... ;-) > >later folks > >Patrick I really think our differences boil down to those three magic words I keep talking about. (For the uninitiated, the three words are "grain of salt"). I take everything you say, and everything I say, with a grain of salt, and I would suggest you do the same (at least with my words--you can think what you like about your own). The reason I post anything to this list is definitely not to generate constructive discussions. This is recreation. Email lists like this provide a rare and interesting forum where we all get to expound and actually have people, people we don't even know, read it! But nothing we say in this forum is going to do anything to change the world, affect political change, or indeed change anything of any importance whatsoever. So have fun with it. Play with your words. And don't take me seriously, whatever you do. If I took you seriously it would just give me something else to worry about. I'm willing to admit I wrote a little mean-spiritedly; I tried to get under your skin. But why on earth should you let me? One more time, folks, because you should never forget it. Grain. Of. Salt. Peter It's pretty scary when two egos collide, isn't it? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:03:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: Here No, I didn't go to Amherst. Had no way to. Yes, I'm still sick, no not so much fluey anymore, just a wicked cough and an annoying runny/stuffy nose. And the feeling that I'm going to sneeze but I don't, which is about the most irritating thing ever. Oh and if I lay on my back, it feels like i'm inhaling water, which is NOT pleasant. grrr. - -Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:16:19 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message [Just a quick reminder: If you're using a mail program built into a web browser, please make sure you have your preferences set for 'plain-text' only. Any HTML-encoded messages will bounce on their way to the list. Thanks. - JL] From: "Jaime" Subject: Can't we all just get along? >From: Valerie Barry : >, perhaps we can all be friends again and end this >fighting or this board will end up like postcard! This is the >friendliest board I've known, let's keep it that way. I love what Valerie wrote here...She brings up an excellent point! I was a member of this list last year up until May, when I left college, and now in February, I am back in "PC-heaven" and again a member of this list. It has changed significantly. I enjoy living vicariously through other Liz Phair phans who are lucky enough to see her live, but I cannot stand reading all the useless bickering between other members. People, we are adults, right? We all need to become a little less jaded. If you disagree with someone--- hey! disagree!!! But please put an end to these personal crusades. This list isn't for fighting, it's for bonding over a common thread: Liz, and Liz only! Perhaps we all need to grow up. And before I get all the hate mail, let me say, that I am adult-enough to ignore it, delete it, and move on with my life, because I am here to read and discuss Liz-related issues, the rest isn't relevant... Sincerely, Jaime "Love is nothing like they say... You've got to get up and work the people everyday..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:50:13 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Sellwood Subject: Liz in Oz Mag etc. Thanks to all the Oz people who helped me with my Rage problem, yeah "Polyester Bride" was replayed, interesting clip. I noticed that the current issue of Juice has a review of WCSE in it, I am unsure whether there is any other Liz content 'cause I didn't have the time to check, but the spine of the mag had her name on it, so you never know, Emma. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #46 ***********************************