From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #41 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, February 10 1999 Volume 02 : Number 041 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Old hat? So tell me to shut up! [Peter Washington ] quote this [MrE ] Whoa, slow down [kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko)] do i have the energy... [Ascending to the Stars ] liz piano songs ["Jenny Sayler" ] REM and Liz [Matt Schulz ] VERMONT!!!!! [Naomi Wright ] mezmerizing tab+....more mezmerizing ["Bryan Moore" ] Alanis / Liz Phair (fwd) ["Nicole W." ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Watch out for that bus! ["Nicole W." ] Liz in Chicago! Woohoo!!!! [Craig King ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:22:20 -0500 From: Peter Washington Subject: Re: Old hat? So tell me to shut up! Cynthia Nagle wrote: >I'm waiting for Peter Washington to give us the definition of >"Lilith" from Webster's, so we all know exactly what that 4-letter >word means. (Peter, are you coming to Liz Phest in Chicago?) Unfortunately, Webster's Third New International Coffee Table and Dictionary lists "lilium" (a large genus of herbacious plants) right after "liliiflorae" (a synonym of "liliales"). As for the Liz Phest (OK, I'm gonna rant a little here--the use of 'ph' for every f among liz pha--uh, I mean, fans--annoys me), I don't know. California is a long way off. Although I might be in Ohio at the end of May. I just heard Liz singing "I'm a Believer" for the first time tonight. Now, at the risk of incurring the ridicule of some of the more musically pretentious out there (cf. Cynthia's post again), I always did like this song. In fact, I kind of dig quite a bit of the Monkees' stuff. Anyhow, the point is, Liz took this poppy, bubblegum Monkees song and made it rock! I was impressed. MrE: rent swingers. Living in the hell-hole that is Southern California (stop filling up your pool with my trout-fishing water!), you might find it especially understandable. In general it's just a fantastic movie. Peter Today's Word of the Day, direct from Webster's Third New International Engine Block and Dictionary: bejan: (n) a freshman at certain Scottish universities. NP: Make-Up, "Destination Love: Live at Cold Rice" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 02:57:24 -0800 From: MrE Subject: quote this arrogance makes really dull subject matter...fecal matter from the self obsessed. when egos and e mail collide somehow doesn't seem appropriate liz content, which is, of course, what i understand to be the only appropriate posting matter...but maybe that doesn't apply across the board. tip of the hat (wanted or not) to cindy nagle for her liz-like scrutiny of an obvious though overlooked (or perhaps ignored) bit of reverse snobbery...and i thought casteism was strictly hindu... live from calcutta MrE ~~quote this~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 08:50:37 -0500 (EST) From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko) Subject: Whoa, slow down To Cindy & those who read her post, I feel grossly misinterpreted. I was stating facts about why Liz wrote what she wrote pre-1993, and all my post said was "hey, if you like Liz for this or that reason, that's fine! But you should maybe know a little background info. before you start championing her as this and that..." The "indie snobbery" thing I mentioned was only in response to Ruthie apologizing for being what others would consider an 'indie snob,' and I was thinking "Why apologize for not liking mainstream music?" Because certainly those who are very into the mainstream (on this list & in real life) don't feel the need to apologize. Don't think I'm an indie snob kid because of this, either. Hell, I like a lot of mainstream artists, I can hardly consider myself an indie rock aficianado. I didn't say that only indie rock aficianados could "get" Liz Phair, but they *are* more likely to than the lowest common denominator to which Liz Phair has pandered recently (obviously, her record sales didn't fly through the damn roof after appearing at Lilith, on Rosie, on Leno, etc., and they should have. You *can* blame the general public for much of Liz's commercial 'failings', if they are considered that. It's not her fault that most people aren't smart enough to realize how great she is). Nowhere in my post did I say that someone like you, Cindy, someone who doesn't align herself with indie rock, would not be able to "get" Liz Phair. Obviously, you do. You're *not* the lowest common denominator. Don't get so offended so quickly. I think if you re-read my post, you'll see that the bulk of it mainly explains Liz Phair's reason for being where she is (and it's not because she wanted to be a feminist crusader OR an indie rock princess). I was saying that all different types of people should be able to like Liz Phair for whatever reasons they have. But once they know where she herself is coming from, maybe that will help them "get" Liz Phair a little better. There's nothing wrong with that. Hell, I "get" Liz Phair a little more all the time. I'm always learning something new, seeing her in a slightly different light. And I'm *not* an indie rock snob. You were picking up on a little tangent there at the end of my post, and interpreting my quoting people like Ruthie as an indication that I agreed wholeheartedly with everything she said. I thought I was being pretty vague for the most part. Anyway, I know you read me wrong because what you got from my post was too far removed from what I was trying to explain. I think my original post has been really misconstrued. I did not mean for it to come off like that *at all.* Really. Sorry, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:51:20 +0000 From: Ascending to the Stars Subject: do i have the energy... i'm trying to decide if i have the energy to respond to cynthia's post (which was exactly what i was trying to avoid with my disclaimer.. obviously it didnt' work) and i dont' think i do. i'm planning my trip to ireland for a week leaving on friday. chipko, dont' know if i'll make it to the show at the water rats tomorrow night.. i'm trying to save money for my trip anyways... maybe i will say one thing. i was, of course, making gross generalizations about the "indie rock scene" to make a point about why i found liz's decision to tour with alan-ass confusing, to say the least. however, if the reviews can be taken as accurate, liz is being fairly well-received on the tour, which is good, i suppose, for her. there is some more "mainstream" stuff in my cd collection (although not all that much, to be perfectly honest-- some sarah mclachlin, rem (but they are just all-encompassingly cool), fiona apple, uh.. okay.. does tori amos count?.. i'm mentally scanning my cd books here... moving on...) anyways, the indie scene may have been based in the college scene before, but now i tend to be one of the youngest fans at most shows i go to-- even more so here in london! so the age comment is frankly pretty much irrelevent. i guess to sum up, i was trying to make a point, and it is nearly impossibly to be completely PC and not use a single generalization when making a point. although we all acknowledge diversity very well, there is some truth and usefulness is "defining" groups with common characteristics-- as long as we recognize that there will always be exceptions. which i think do (no, i didnt' have my social psych class this morning... ) tootles all (:ruthie:), who blames all the matador cds in her collection for her catching some "matatude" NP-- pixies, death to the pixies disc 2 (live disc) "i'm alive, i've survived you... but i still have visions of you!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 11:14:02 -0600 From: "Jenny Sayler" Subject: liz piano songs If anyone has any info on how to play canary or animal girl, please post it or email me privately. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny If you get invited to your first orgy, don't just show up nude. That's a common mistake. You have to let nudity "happen." http://www.liz-phair.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 10:15:09 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Schulz Subject: REM and Liz Hey, everyone. Just saw that REM announced that they're touring this summer. Seems to me like the boys from Athens would be a great group for our gal Liz to open for, assuming that she continues that route as opposed to headlining. After all, we know that they know and like each other and have even recorded together. I say, Liz, go to your management and get them to get you on board. Oh, well. Just my two cents. Matt Schulz The Glory of Liz Phair http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Frontrow/5064/ == Matt Schulz schulz52@yahoo.com - ----------- "I believe in the Church of Baseball" - -- Annie Savoy, Bull Durham _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 13:30:52 -0500 From: Naomi Wright Subject: VERMONT!!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline ruthie said something about driving back from Vermont so i just have to throw in that I AM FROM VERMONT and I MISS IT SOOO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!! : ) naomi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:15:58 -0500 From: "Bryan Moore" Subject: mezmerizing tab+....more mezmerizing Ahhaa!!!!.....thats why it (mezmerizing) was sounding off.......thanks to Steve for correcting my assumption that that tune was in 440 tuning.........so does liz actually tune her guitar up or just use a capo at the third fret (as I am doing right now so as not to break my strings)?????......oh-ki-doh-ki.....I think I got the 2 chords at the 06-07 sec mark and the 14-15 sec mark of mezmerizing (steve's 6th and 7th chords)..they are the two chords that end the progression that is played twice before the fun begins!!!.....I will use your (Steve's) tab format... works for me... (low to high) Csus4 X open 2 2 2 3 X (or open) next chord (don't know the name)--Cdim3 (i think) X 4 2 2 2 X those chords may be played up higher, but it seems easier to play them where I have indicated....I just went over the whole intro before the lyrics start and it sounded pretty good....try those chords out steve and let me know what ya think.....ok.....I'm working on the all of the time part as we speak(or write...whatever).... I GOT IT....woowooo at the 1:47 min the 'all of the time' part starts.... first chord (Csus2) when she says 'all' X open 2 2 open open second chord (Csus4) ---when she says 'of' ---in 'all of the time' X open 2 2 3 open then she goes back to the Csus2 for the ' the' -- in 'all of the time' third chord is just a E chord structure (except it sounds like a G) this is for the 'time' in ---'all of the time' she adds the 3 fret of the b string (an e#) right before the next change that chord is a G7 (played in E7 format)--use your pinky finger for this (and the Asus4 as well) G7 open 2 2 1 3 open she only hits that once (an eighth) and goes back to the G before the rest.... next, on to the 1:51 part of the tune "in the world to spend it" there are four chords in this part and here they are: 'world' X open 2 open 3 open 'to' X open 2 open open open 'spend' (F/C) X open open 2 3 X 'it' (F)- ( D chord structure) X open open 2 3 2 That should be it........let me know what ya think...... Now playing: Allanis ---- you outta know......haha... just kidding.....mezmerizing just finished playing for the 20th time today....playing after that......a little live Velvet Underground (go lou go)... Peace and cheers Bryan "two t.v sets, two cadillac cars you know they aint helpin us at all......every time she turned on the new york station she couldnt believe what she heard at all.....she started dancing to that fine fine music and her life was saved by rock and roll........despite the implications, you can dance to the rock and roll station and it was alright.....ya it was alright"-------VU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:54:00 -0800 From: "April Haitsuka" Subject: Mesmerizing Thanks to Steve for the "Mesmerizing" chords. Just in case anybody else wants 'em, I wrote out the chords in standard format, 'cuz it drove me crazy to read it the way it was written. (No offense intended, of course...) Speaking of Liz tabs, I've been working on "Support System" from the tab on the old Guyville mailing list Web page. The intro riff sounds about right, but the rest is a little hard to follow, so I fudge it. Any ideas? April =-=-=-=-=-= Mesmerizing Tune up 3 steps (or capo at 3rd fret) E 012200 C/D 3320xx D/A 5540xx D 577755 G 355433 B 7998xx G* (10)(10)9xxx F 133211 B* 22100x Intro progression: E C/D D/A D G B G* E C/D D/A D G B G* E C/D D/A D F B* =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= April Haitsuka april@haitsuka.simplenet.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:59:28 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: Alanis / Liz Phair (fwd) This is the e-mail I just got, after the e-mail I got offering me the concert now (the girl who was going to go has a test. Couldn't she have found this out earlier? BITCH! Unfortunately, I can't go. Do you know how it pains me? Subject: Alanis / Liz Phair We have a press pass for the Alanis Morisette / Liz Phair concert this Thursday night in Amherst. Any takers? - --Adam Machanic Later, Nicole "I know it's not easy" W. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:31:59 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: DaisyFoo14@aol.com Subject: Liz at chapel Hill, feb 6 Hey! I don't usually post, since I'm a busy, stressed out, studious...student, but I just wanted to post about my super-groovy and draining weekend. And yes, this is Liz related, I'm not just publicizing my personal life. Ok, so on Saturday morning I fly down to Raleigh, NC from NY to visit my best friend since I was dying to see Liz in concert again. So we get there early, all is well, she comes out eventually and she looked AMAZING! She was wearing these cool black pants and this awesome top that was like a piece of kinda- shiny black fabric (leather? i couldn't tell from where I was sitting) as the front, and it started above her stomach. My god does she have killer abs! Then it was like these straps that went down her back and they connected to this one horizontal strap that tied. When she turned around it looked like 3 thin straps, kinda like a rectangle w/out a top line. It's really hard to explain, and I'd try to draw it if i could, but I really can't in this letter. grrr.. Anyway, she had her hair up in a perky ponytail and she looked absolutely adorable and gorgeous, as always. If anyone wants the set-list, e- mail me; I don't want to post it in case anyone wants to be surprised. Anyway, this guy in back of me, my friend Christine, and her family friend Rob, was bad-mouthing Liz, pondering how anyone could want to see her. (How stupid are these Alanis fans?) So, Rob turns around and gives him a good talking-to, telling him that Christine and I came only to see Liz, and we thought Alanis was crap, and asked him to shut up so he wouldn't ruin the concert for the Liz fans. ANYWAY, Liz was so awesome! One of her strings broke (of her guitar, you sickos!) and she's like, "I guess I won't be using that one!" Some guy came over to help her, but she's like, "No, I can do it. It's not like you can hear above me anyway." Christine and I screamed so damn loud so Liz would know that SOME people appreciated her greatness. The concert was kinda scary though; it was like family hour funtime or something b/c there were all of these little kids there. These people in front of us w/ a little kid kept covering his ears, but since they didn't know the lyrics, their censorship wasn't very effective. it was actually pretty damn funny. In supernova, it was like "and you fuck like a [cup ears here] volcano," so the kid heard everything. During Flower, they just gave up. Since Liz wasn't sure if the audience was too G-rated, she yelled out, "Do any of you know the song Flowers?" (And yes, she pluralized it, which was kinda cute.) We screamed so damn loud...I did NOT fly down to see Liz and miss out an opportunity to hear my favorite song! Christine and I were such dorks...we screamed along to "dick is blue" but Liz slowed up at the end so we were so off...we felt like such idiots but we had so much fun and lotsa ppl stared...twas cool. Now comes the sad part...afterwards, Christine and I were planning to stalk Liz. I begged about five security guards, but they told me she'd left already, and I wasn't allowed backstage anyway. Then Alanis came on so we decided to go up to the top seats of the auditorium and use Christine's opera glasses to search for Liz. Those damn security guards are just freakin' liars b/c I saw Liz really clearly on the side of the stage, though she'd layered on a maroon shirt. Christie and I snuck up closer and went into an "illegal" area of the seating that they'd covered over and a security guard yelled at us. I started crying, begging her to let me go meet Liz since I'd flown all the way from NY, but the lady told me Liz had left. I was like, "That's such bullshit, I see her right there!" but she told me to go back to my seat. then Christine and Rob and I go outside and I stalked a few more guards and some policemen, harassing ppl w/ backstage passes, chatting it up, but no one helped me. Finally, during Alanis' second to last song or something, I met this guy who was like, "You wanna meet Liz? It's too tight backstage, and she's probably sneaking out anyway since it's almost the end. I'll take you to her tour bus." My god did I get excited! So we head outside, and the building's on this plot of land and then alongside one side there's a little one-way road that leads back to the parking lot where the tour buses are. Then the guy's like, "Oh, shit, there used to be four buses, now there's only three." I'm like, "fuck!" and I start walking down a tiny bit down the road, so I'm kinda in the middle of it width-wise, at the way top of it length-wise, while Christine, Rob, and the guy are on the curb. the guy's like, "Well, she's probably not even in her bus, they probably snuck her out in a car." meanwhile, this car is backing up and I'm in the middle of the road, and Christine tells me to step to the side so I don't get run over. It takes me a minute since I was dazed, then I step aside, and the car backs out, turns around, and drives off. As it passes, Rob goes, "Oh, Liz is in that car." I'm like, "you have to be shitting me!" He repeats himself one or two more times, but I dont' believe him. Then I step out and look at the car, and it's just turning out the area and onto a main road, and I start sobbing. Shit! I was so damn close to meeting her! If I'd been facing the road from the curb I would've totally seen her from my angle, since she was in the back, right side of the car. I'm kinda over the bummed feeling now, but I was soooooooooooo upset right after and the next day. I cried when I told me mom the story, and she told me that even if I had run after the car (as I would've had I believed Rob the first time he'd said it) that the driver would've speeded up. Nobody tell me otherwise b/c I want to believe that! I'd like to continue thinking that I did all I could to meet her, not that I could've had I run after. Whew! I had no idea I had so much to babble about! Well, I guess it's kinda cool that I was so close to meeting her, and I could extend the story and say that Liz Phair almost ran me over, although she wasn't driving the car and I think the car would've waited for me to get out of the way before backing out, but...still. I guess I'll just have to wait till the next concert to meet her or something. I tlod my brother my disappointing endeavor, and he's like, "Third times the charm!" (He was referring to the time in jan when I had front row, center seats for this thing w/ Nick brendon @ a sci-fi convention and he missed his flight and didn't show.) I said, "Bad luck comes in threes " I guess I'll have to see. Oh, and Christine wrote me a little e-mail about some concert review from some local paper, but she's planning to fax it or type it up for me. here's her summary of the article: << In short they said that Alanis is a complete loser phony who sings crap and that Liz is very talented, but a bit crude for the little kids that came for Alanis. At they end he said that Liz should have had the ninety minute set and Alanis the forty because Liz was much better. Alanis was too serious and therefore silly, and Liz kinda had a mocking tone about the whole star thing. I'm sure your list will enjoy the Alanis bashing. I know I did! >> I'll post the review as soon as I get it. Insert one of many, many cool liz lyrics, although I'm not in the mood to think of one this second. - --Allison DaisyFoo14@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:35:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: Watch out for that bus! I know other people on this list watch "Felicity". I actually only half watch it, and only occasionally at that. So I was half watching it tonight. THAT GUY GOT HIT BY A BUS! Like MAD HIT! This pertains to Liz because... that one time the Julie character said "I can't believe Rigofsky got my Liz Phair reference." If I had professors that got Liz P. references, well that would just be pretty damned cool. Alas, who here is that hip? Anyway... still sad that I can't go see Liz. Sigh. Hey Robbie... HASTA! ;) - -Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:38:17 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: Liz in Chicago! Woohoo!!!! FINALLY!!!! The news I've been waiting for for a long time. Liz to play Chicago? I'm going no matter what! I don't care what it takes!!!! Boy, this plus the fact that i just found out I'm going to Las Vegas in May! I'm on cloud 9 right now! "When they do the double dutch that's them dancing" Woohoo!!!! Craig "The KingAdRock" Phair Territory http://phairterritory.freeservers.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #41 ***********************************