From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #37 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, February 7 1999 Volume 02 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- tears of a clown (me) ["Nicole W." ] One more thing... sorry ["Nicole W." ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #36 [Peter Washington ] Amherst Show [Mattison99@aol.com] Busy Ruthie [Michael Connolly ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #36 [LTN1@uno.cc.geneseo.edu] how'd she learn to play? ["dana" ] liz+theguitar (tosteve and all) ["Bryan Moore" ] Tape tree sign-up form [Jason Long ] Chicago show setlists [Jason Long ] stuff ["Amy Blue" ] And about time too... [Brian Cooper ] Oh yeah...one more thing [AngelLieb@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 02:07:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: tears of a clown (me) Ugh... that sucks that when you a search for Liz Phair on whatever search engine one of their suggested keywords is "morrissette". FUCK THAT SHIT! Go to hell, is what I'd like to say. Which is somethign I'd like to say to alot of people right now, but that wouldnt' be Liz content... Oh hell... I'll give you a clue: they're both guys. One was just a friend (WAS... doesn't mean we're more than just friends now, means we are not friends now, according to him), the other was... nothing, really, but me, being not cool, not really tall, but quite vulnerable, fell into his trap and well anyway... I feel used. Which wouldn't be so bad if I was going to be used again... don't ask me the logic of that, but like... at least that would mean he was thinkign of me? In whaetver perverse way? I don't mean perverse like he's thinking of me naked (that's not perverse!). I mean that it's perverse that I think ... ugh lost my train of thought. Anyway... I have more applicable content... hold on have to look at the digest... Oh yes, right. Oh shit. Nevermind. Case of mistaken identity. To the person who was asking about that hole song, "is it absess", close. I think it's "abcess" with a c. Anyway. UGH UGH UGH UGH. I'm going now, cuz I can't obviously hold onto a topic, and I'm obviously way off topic anyway. bye. Nicole "FUCK LIZ QUOTES, I JUST FUCKING HATE THE WORLD RIGHT NOW" W. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 02:16:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: One more thing... sorry Chipko... I want to hear what you have to say about Gillian Anderson! Please? (that's me, asking nicely) To anyone I owe an e-mail to: I'm really disorganized, and eventually, when I'm not playing solitaire obsessively, I'll do it. grrr, Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 01:45:56 -0500 From: Peter Washington Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #36 Leslie wrote: >[snip] >her. I swear, I would get so close to conversion and then somehow >screw it up. > >Now I think that maybe I was just trying too hard, because today, an >[snip] >Now I'm debating sending her a Liz-mix tape with the requisite thank >you note. >What do you guys think? Resist the urge. Trying too hard can ruin many a relationship. Ever see 'Swingers?' (Who hasn't.) Remember the answering machine sequence? I'm not saying you're anywhere near that bad, no one is, but it sounds like you've got that try-too-hard tendency (so do I). Let her make the discovery herself, and let her get you into college herself. Or you could do whatever the fuck you want, since you don't know me from a sack of puppets (first noun that came into my head). Ruthie: quit writing us to tell you about all the cool shows you see in London. Just makes us jealous. Plus some of us didn't take advantage of those opportunities when we lived in London. (By the way [I refuse to use those stupid e-abbreviations], do you check your email in that cramped little room in the basement of the UCL where you usually have to wait like a half an hour? Oh, and there's a good cheap Indian restaurant for lunch down the street, but I don't remember what street anymore. There are good cheap Indian restaurants on every corner in that city.) Forgot what else I was gonna say. Better go anyway, I'm taking the LSAT in like six hours so I think i should spend most of them sleeping. Peter Today's Word of the Day, direct from Webster's Third New International Dam and Dictionary: dvandva: (n) a class of compound words having two immediate constituents that are equal in rank and related to each other as if joined by and : a compound word belonging to this class (as bittersweet, secretary-treasurer, sociopolitical). NP: Liz, 10/6/98 in Boston. The stage banter is pretty good on this one. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 08:36:39 EST From: Mattison99@aol.com Subject: Amherst Show Hello fellow Liz-lovers, Is anyone planning on going to next Thursday's show (Feb 11) at UMass where Lis is opening for Alanis? Would anyone like to meet beforehand? Mimi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 06:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Connolly Subject: Busy Ruthie >well, that's about it... more from me after the next >week (ie i dont'come to school on the weekends to >check my email...) >(:ruthie:) Seems to me, with the schedule you have attending concerts every night, you wouldn't be in school during the week either! == Mikey C Va Beach An unfamous, but not that kind, of guy. "I like cats too. Let's exchange recipes." - - Ward Larsen _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 11:00:40 -0500 (EST) From: LTN1@uno.cc.geneseo.edu Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #36 does anyone think that it's so cool how in stuck on an island the guitar is like an old western...dun dun dun dun like happy trails or something like that? just thought that you would agree. bye now! love,laura p.s. listen i was walking through my friends dorm and heard girls room and i went into the room that it was playing in and just had to tell them that rocked. it made me feel good that there were closet phair fans out there. shocked me a lot! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 09:33:54 -0800 From: "dana" Subject: how'd she learn to play? hi. i was a subscriber for awhile and then i wasn't and now i'm back.... anyway, does anyone have any info on how she learned to play guitar and/or how she writes (on the guitar)? in all the interviews and discussions i've never come across this. i mean, her lyrics are undoubtably brilliant but she's also a fantastic composer and excellent guitarist and no one ever talks to her about this....anyone? anyone? anyone at all? thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 14:00:59 -0500 From: "Bryan Moore" Subject: liz+theguitar (tosteve and all) Hey all.....it is saturday and that means one thing for all Canandians ---Hockey Night in Canada....wooowoo GO LEAFS GO!! Anyways.....I think I must clarify my response to Kaite's hardest Liz tune to play.....I did not mean in any way that they are not original and groundbreaking and whatnot.....Liz is a good rhythm guitarist who (as Steve mentioned) does come up w/some crazy shit.....as for made up chords...well there really is no such thing as a made up chord...all chords have basic elements that make up the chord....a root note and some extra harmonous notes that create a certain tone....all chord are based on the major scale...a major chord is a 1-3-5 combo, a minor chord 1-flat3-5 and so on....if you look in a detailed book of chords you will see that there are well over 50 different chords for every root note...what liz does is take these existing chords and re-work em, adding open notes and different fingerings and such (Bob Weir of the Grateful Dead pioneered this)....many great songwriters do not know that they are using say a Bb6/9 chord...it just comes out in the creative process.. As a guitarist I give Liz much deserved credit for writing great songs such as Mezmerizing......so today I sat down and learned mezmerizing ----the "all of the time part" is based on a II: D/G(with a twist) I G I A# I F :II pattern......play the F in a traditional D format on the 5th fret and you will get that ringing effect that Liz gets....the D/G thang....thats a little tricky...I will transcribe that for Steve and email ya in the coming weeks....(I'm on reading week in a couple weeks so I will have time then).....anyways the jist is, I learned the basic song structure in about 10 minutes....As I mentioned in my last post, Liz does a lot of jumping around the fretboard....but the song mesmerizing is a basic II G-A# I F I A# I CaddF-GII progression.....and as such it is not hard to play. Steve is right about the WCSE stuff (songs like Uncle Alverez have tricky parts in them)....How long have you been playing the geetar Steve????.....I've been playing for over 10 years.....stuff I would consider hard to play would be stuff like --the solo in heartbreaker by JimmyPage...thats a toughie.....as for rhythm guitar....if you think Liz stuff is tricky, pick up (if you dont have it) Axis:Bold as Love, by Hendrix....that album is widely considered to have the best rhythm guitar playing ever recorded....the structure of songs like spanish castle magic, wait until tomorrow and best of all - Casles made of sand (the best rhythm guitar part EVER recorded) make Liz's stuff seem simple by comparison.....again I am not taking anything away from liz as a comparison to hendrix is of course unfair....oh, I have never seen Liz live (I cant wait to) but if I can figure her stuff out just by listening to it then it cant be that hard.......when I do see her live, I will be taking so many mental notes of chord fingerings and postitioning and whatnot that my brain will probably go on overload. The thing about figuring out liz tunes is get the basic root note of every chord (the low note is easiest to pick out).. then listen for any secondary base notes (liz does a lot of this)....after that listen for the ringing notes....liz has a lot of notes in the chords she uses that are the same open notes played over two or three chords. Now, a lot of the sliding up and down the neck that she does have some of the same basic structure (i.e. --hold the same chord and slide her up/down, or change the chord and use the same open high notes)....an example is mezmerizing.....I'm listening to it thinking----fuck, I know the base note is G--but its not a major, not a minor.....hmmmm.....so go for the ringing note.....mostly it is a D, held on the chord changes..in the "wild and unwise" part there is also a ringing G....I think the verse is mostly a bar of the d,g,b, strings w/the first finger (5th fret for C, 7th fret for D)....anyways I gotta go study for mid-terms..... Peace and Love to all Bryan "Everything will be all right as long as I've got enough beer.......*fridge opens* Dohhhh...., Marge, if I'm gonna be stuck in the house with the family all day, I've gotta have beer" Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 15:19:51 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: YAY! HAPPY ME! ():D To give everyone a phair warning, no Liz content here. I'm just in a happy mood and feel like posting something! I got fourth row seats for Sheryl Crow! YAY! Go me! I'm soooooooooo happy! And then what did I do afterwards? I went and got myself tickets so I can go and see Hole. Sorry, I ain't staying for Marilyn Manson. Yay! Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy! I spent nearly ninety bucks on concert tickets in two hours! I'm having one hell of a spacceeggy day! ():D KaTiE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 14:38:58 -0600 From: palik@ix.netcom.com Subject: Portrait of Uncle Alvarez ! If you want a portrait of Eugene Isaac Alvarez for hanging in the hall, go to http://www.sv-web.com/music/eugene.html I don't know if it is our heroine's Uncle Alvarez, but he sure looks like I thought he might. Hey Jase! When will you tell us the rest of the story of your meeting with Liz Phair last year ? Don ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 15:53:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Stacey Wirt" Subject: liz's piano and x files Hi there!!! With all this talk about how hard liz's songs are to play on the guitar, I've been thinking about the difficulty liz's piano songs. I took about two or three years of piano a long, LONG time ago, so I'm not a very good judge of the difficulty level of her piano stuff. I know that most of us can play chopsticks, but what about "animal girl" and "canary". I tried to figure out canary about a month ago using the cd and a boot video, but no luck, I couldn't even find the beginning notes.... I told you I sucked at piano. Has anyone tried liz's piano tunes?? It would be interesting if anyone out there played both piano AND guitar and could tell those of us who were less musically inclined which one was harder. But I guess that would be kind of hard concidering there are so many guitar songs and only a handfull of piano songs. Leslie said: <> I vote that you send the liz tape. As one who just finished the whole fucking college process, I can tell you that melissa will definetely remember you if you send her a tape along with your thank you note. Even if she was just indulging you (which I don't think she was) it would impress her that you went to the trouble to make a tape. AND you might even turn her into a liz phan!!! go for it!!! Exactly which songs you chose to put on the tape will be the hard part. On a totally non-liz subject, who has seen the movie "Playing by Heart"? Everytime gillian anderson came on screen I was expecting her to whip out her little cell phone and call Mulder. Did anyone else have this reaction? - --Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 18:15:32 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Tape tree sign-up form Hey everyone, Here is the sign-up form for the upcoming tape tree for the three Chicago shows from Liz's fall tour. I would appreciate it if everyone who is interested could fill out the form and submit it to me as soon as possible, preferably before the end of the week. I really want to get the ball rolling on this right away and move forward quickly. I will leave the sign-ups open until a week from tomorrow; hopefully that will be a sufficient amount of time for those who are interested to sign up. As I mentioned previously, if all works out as I hope it will, those who sign up as branches will get CD-R copies of these shows to make the tapes for their leaves from. Please only volunteer to be a branch if you will follow through with making copies for your leaves and if you have high-end equipment (in other words, no boomboxes or anything of that sort). If anyone has any questions, please feel free to let me know, and I will get back to you as soon as possible. The sign-up form: Send an e-mail to . *Do not* hit reply, as it will send your message to the list. Use one of the following subject headings: Phair Tree Branch Phair Tree Leaf Phair Tree Questions The above should be self explanatory, but here's an explanation: Branches will make copies for others. Leaves will make arrangements for copies from their assigned branches. If you have just questions or comments, please use the "Phair Tree Questions" as a subject header, so I can sort mail without too much thought. =====cut here===== (items marked * only apply if you're interested in being a branch) Full name: Reliable E-mail address: Street address: City, State, Zip: Country: Dolby preference (no, B, C): *Precise description of dubbing equipment: *Number of copies you're willing to make: Comments/Questions: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 18:23:18 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Chicago show setlists Here are the setlists for the shows that we will be treeing. October 25, 1998 Vic Theatre, Chicago, IL 1. Explain It To Me 2. 6'1" 3. Cinco De Mayo 4. Support System 5. Never Said 6. Johnny Feelgood 7. Dance of the Seven Veils 8. Uncle Alvarez 9. Big Tall Man 10. Polyester Bride 11. Supernova 12. Flower 13. What Makes You Happy 14. Mesmerizing 15. Jealousy 16. White Chocolate Space Egg 17. Divorce Song 18. Perfect World 19. Go On Ahead 20. Stratford-On-Guy 21. Fuck and Run October 26, 1998 Vic Theatre, Chicago, IL Same set as the previous night. October 27, 1998 Vic Theatre, Chicago, IL 1. White Chocolate Space Egg 2. Never Said 3. Cinco De Mayo 4. Johnny Feelgood 5. Dance of the Seven Veils 6. Uncle Alvarez 7. Polyester Bride 8. 6'1" 9. Big Tall Man 10. Perfect World 11. Flower 12. Jealousy 13. Support System 14. Supernova 15. Go On Ahead 16. Mesmerizing 17. What Makes You Happy 18. All Right Now (an abridged cover of the '70s song by Free) 19. Fuck and Run 20. Explain It To Me 21. Stratford-On-Guy 22. Divorce Song ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 17:40:47 PST From: "Amy Blue" Subject: stuff I love me some Boogie Nights I love me some Buffy, the Vampire Slayer and I love me some Liz Phair Hugs, *Rollergirl* ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 14:35:30 +1100 From: Brian Cooper Subject: And about time too... After oh so long, I've finally seen the Polyester Bride video on TV in Australia. I still haven't seen the CD of WCSE in stores yet (though I got it months ago from the States). In fact, I can't find any of Liz's CDs in stores around here, but I'm hoping this'll change when the album is finally released. It's hard to convert people to Liz if you can't find them CDs. Speaking of not being able to get Liz CDs, Exile is banned in Singapore as it is too explicit. It's such an odd world. Brian * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * True words are spoken - when electrodes are attached to your scrotum Hale & Pace ;-) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 23:35:55 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Oh yeah...one more thing Ohki...one more thing. The more I think of it, maybe it wasn't such a bad idea of Liz opening for Alanis. Please don't flame me here! The guy who submitted the reviews on my list is gonna send me tapes for me to copy some stuff for him cuz he's eager to hear more of Liz. Well well well! A Liz phan in the works! Garsh, I had this huge grin on my face when I read that he wanted to hear more of Liz. Happiness is contagious! Pass it on! KaTiE ():D "He tastes like candy, he's so beautiful," Hole. ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #37 ***********************************