From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #31 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, February 1 1999 Volume 02 : Number 031 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Liz Likes It... Why Don't You? [Xealot@aol.com] I sowwy [AngelLieb@aol.com] S-K+102.1theedge+top10albums ["Bryan Moore" ] oh shoot! [Melissa Leigh ] Re: meredith's movie dilemma [Oh4sythia@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V2 #30 [Oh4sythia@aol.com] close encounter of the phair kind ["jacqueline vreatt" ] Liz T-shirt [Suzanne Walsh ] Re: Liz T-shirt [Jason Long ] SETLISTS ["Nicole W." ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #30 [JJewelbaby@aol.com] Replies [Jason Long ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 04:40:07 EST From: Xealot@aol.com Subject: Liz Likes It... Why Don't You? Hola Supporters... Just wanted to add to Jason's comment about us Liz fans liking Alanis or anything else Liz may or may not like. Jason wrote: Actually, Tad, I could care less whether Liz likes Alanis' music or not, and I'm sure the others on this list who don't particularly care for Alanis feel the same way. We're not exactly blind followers of Liz who will automatically like anything she says is good. Liz has many times in the past praised artists I don't care for, but it's never changed my assessment, one way or the other, of those artists. Liz could, for example, say that she loves Hootie and the Blowfish, but that's not going to change the fact that I think their music is horribly bland and cliched and it does nothing for me. Please give us all a little more credit -- we're not a bunch of sheep. The last line really made me crack up. I actually pictured sheep listening to music. Okay, so that was dumb. However, in all truth, I about cringed when I heard some of the music Liz likes, but tastes are tastes. People criticize my tastes all the time. Also, from what I've read about Liz, she's not a big collector of music anyhow, so I doubt she's die-hard fans of some of the people she speaks about. But then, maybe she is. Still, it's interesting to hear what she finds pleasurable to the ear (ooh, that sounded dirty). When I found out Liz liked Alanis, I was like, "Well, that's not too shocking..." but then I remembered back to that infamous Squirt TV show where pre-pubescent Jake was badmouthing Alanis and Liz didn't seem to mind too much the slandering. Funny how times change, even in the span of three years. However, because of Liz's musical infatuation with Katell Kieneg, I bought "Jet" and I have to say it was a good buy. Her song, "Ole Conquistador" is excellent. Any Katell fans out there? Anyway, just wanted to add my thoughts. Sometimes, ROBBIE THE SLICK DIVIDE - a liz phair page http://valmccown.com/lizphair.html "We can't be certain who the villains are 'cause everyone's so pretty." --SHERYL CROW now playing: SHERYL CROW - There Goes The Neighborhood ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:32:48 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: I sowwy Sorry for those who responded to my post concerning the X Files list. I wasn't in a good mood at the time I posted it and shouldn't have brought it out to everyone on this list. So, I do apoligize. ();) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:19:27 -0500 From: "Bryan Moore" Subject: S-K+102.1theedge+top10albums O.k, where to start????....... Jase----what is the date of the S-K show at the Opera House???? I will try to make it down for the show....I live about 3 hours north of T.O., so if I dont have any stupid school crap to do that day, I am there.(hopefully on a weekend???)...The Opera House is also one of my fav venues in Toronto.....Gov't Mule played there awile back(good show) and years ago Phish played there. I caught Buddy Guy there as well.....Don't know too much S-K stuff, but the few tracks I have heard impressed me...... Also to Jase------ thanks for posting the 102.1 the edge, web site.....I was searching for it to post it with my other request addresses but couldnt find the site..... You are right Q-107 doesnt play any liz (or very little anyways, at 4 a.m. or somthing like that).... So----everyone on this list should check the S-S issue 30 and send a request to much music,mtv and 102 the edge.....ah, fire one off to Q107 too, they might wake up eventually..... Everyone else should post their local radio stations request lines and/or web sites so we can request the Phair one on a regular basis----I usually send one or two a week to the above mentioned addresses.....every little bit helps....if each station got 700 requests a week for Johnny F.G. then I guarantee we would hear it a lot more!! Oh, Brian S wrote:---- " I think Muchmusic has been in the US for a long time now. It's called MUCH USA. Don't get all hyped up about Muchmusic. It sucks. My 2 cents." Much Music and City-Tv (parent company) is one of the most essential, groundbreaking television stations in the history of T.V...... Shows such as Fasion Television (FT), The New Music, City Limits, Even Electric Circus and the new Sex T.V. are all influential, highly innovative and original......City TV has become the model for many US tv networks and stations.....its open concept approach is a completely new way of broadcasting....the much music video awards (anybody see them??) I felt this year and in the past was much superior to Mtv's awards show and the performers were just as solid as well (smashing pumpkins, Mase and Brandy, Barenaked Ladies, Tragically Hip, Our Lady Peace, Sarah McLachlan)----City Tv and Much Music are not afraid to take chances and have changed the traditional style of broadcasting......My 4 cents.....Oh, so remember send those requests!!!!----Oh, I forgot about the 'Spotlight' on muchmusic....the spotlight is where they feature an artist for half and hour, showing videos and interviews and such....and the 'Intimate and Interactive', sessions where an artist comes in and does live performances and takes audience questions and also real time email questions and such---past "I and I" performers have included Madonna, Alanis M, Sarah McLachlan, Smashing Pumpkins and the Spice Bitches to name a few..... On the Alanis issue......I dont mind some of her tunes, she has a raw edge about her....songs like hand in my pocket and ironic are catchy and I think she is a good live performer......but I also think her new album sucks.. O.k ---I think the top 10 album idea is cool---I'm always interested in what other people are listening to so heres my list--- 10. Rolling Stones - Exile on Main St. 9. The Roots - iladelph halflife 8. Sarah McLachlan - Fumbling towards Exstacy 7. Neil Young - On the Beach 6. Bob Dylan - Blood on the Tracks 5. Liz Phair - WCSE 4. Derek and the Dominoes - Layla 3. Tragically Hip - Day For Night 2. Pearl Jam - Live on 2 legs 1. Grateful Dead - Europe '72 Peace and Luv to all Bryan "Oh, wait a minute, actually, a woman is more like a beer, they smell good, they look good, and you'd step over your own mother just to get one....*glug, glug glug*......but you cant stop at one....you want to drink another woman.....*fridge opens, beer can opens.....glug,glug, glug*......." - ----Homer Simpson, explaining women to Bart------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:15:57 -0800 From: baggytrousers@mindspring.com Subject: mini discs heya... i was wondering if anyone on this list has a mini disc player or recorder? i am looking into buying one to transfer my bootlegs onto disc..i was supposed to be getting a cd burner but with a possible move in the future it got returned..i figured getting one of those handheld recordable mini discs might work just as well but im not too familiar with them and ive heard people mention them and 'eight track' in the same conversation...so basically, i dont want to invest in something that looks like it may not take off and be left on the wayside.... if you could respond privately as to not clog up the list i would appreciate it :) thanks roberta ICQ # 27407066 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Rock'n'roll is the most brutal, ugly, vicious form of expression - sly, lewd, in fact plain dirty..a rancid-smelling aphrodisiac..the martial music of every delinquent on the face of the earth..." - -Frank Sinatra 1957 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:15:56 EST From: FemART17@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #30 There is a big difference between liking Alanis' music and respecting her work. She is, in my humble opinion, a crusader in the feminist movement in music. In case any of you haven't noticed--LIZ PHAIR IS A PART OF THAT MOVEMENT TOO! I guess it is just another example of that "girl power" craze--but it works for me (outside of pop culture that is). It hurts me to hear people put down an artist who actually stands up for what they believe. Being a feminist, I enjoy listening to music that breaks molds for women--Liz does that, and so does Alanis. BUT----I guess I can only dream of a tour where Liz, Ani Difranco, Tori Amos, Sleater-Kinney, Indigo Girls, and Cat Power come together!! That tour could end the world!!!!!!!! Just remember, next time you are making fun of Alanis-etc. that an artist is entitled to like whatever music they wish, wear whatever they want, and tour with whoever the hell they want to!!!!!! Musical artists aren't products created to please us--they are real people--take it easy. Can I get an amen???? - ---"Every tool is a weapon if you hold it right"===ANI !!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:39:56 -0600 (CST) From: kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee) Subject: Anyone want to translate some French for me? Hi everyone, Is there anyone on this list who can read French and would be willing to translate a couple of articles I have? The articles are from some French publications, and I would appreciate it if someone would translate these to English. Any takers? Oh, by the way, I've updated my site a little. Take a look... - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:52:16 EST From: MemBeth@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #30 whipsmart is most definatley has been used in real world.....i hear lost of liz on mtv as background to various stuff...i think its been on road rules too. kind of sad that i watch mtv enough to know that.... mem "there is stregnth in the differences between us....and there is comfort where we overlap...." ~ani ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:17:56 EST From: TADude9999@aol.com Subject: Big Bad Wolf >I really do believe that those on this list who do not care for Alanis' music simply just don't like it.< Jase, I appreciate and respect your input as well as everyone else on this list. My comments are based on what I observe. Now I'd be the first to admit that I could be totally wrong with my perception. My comments are not geared towards all people on the list who dislike the music of Alanis, but more towards the people who are critical of her physique. I may come across like a huge Alanis fan although I'm not. I do like her but I wouldn't say she's one of my 20 favorite artists or anything. I was hopeing that you wouldn't respond as quickly as you did, just to see if over the next month or so was I was wrong or right? I apologize if I offended anyone else on the list, my comments were directed to only those people who fit the description in my post. As a matter of fact there may only be a handful of people to whom this may apply.It's not like I have a list or anything, so try not to read more into than is really there. I guess you all are really happy that I only post once every month or two.(joking) Honestly, no harm intended!! TAD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:59:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: More things Yes, I'm sorry, but no matter how much Liz says she likes Alanis' album, and how much "Thank U" made her cry or whatever, I DO NOT, WILL NOT, CANNOT appreciate Alan-ass' music. I love Liz, I love Liz's music, that is not changing just because she might have bad taste herself in music, but my opinion is my opinion and it is not going to change on behalf of the opinion of my idol. That paragraph made no sense, but I don't think I'm capable of making sense so I guess I'll just leave it. Anyway... People... I wouldn't get excited about a new album. Remember how much wcse was postponed? Even when it was ready and a release date was set, that didn't mean anything. Sure, Liz is writing new material possibly, but even that is theoretical, adn maybe "new material" means two songs, and alot goes into an album. Plus, she's got that whole "record company" that seems to dick her around alot. (I have used that expression a couple times in teh past few days, and yes, it's borrowed from Liz). I can't imagine them finding it in best commercial interest to release a new album so soon. Especially since only one single (maybe two?) has been released from wcse and you konw, Liz is touring with that whore right now. But I'm sure the record execs find that to be advantageous or whatever, and want to promote Liz from that angle. Yes. Well... sleep delays my life, and so does laziness, and it's 3 pm and all i've done is eat breakfast and brush my teeth, and I have work to do, showers to take, laundry to put away, etc, so I have to close here. BTW... I've had such a men are pigs weekend. If there are any men out there, please don't be pigs. it's not attractive. And some girls will refuse to be friggin' objects, but actually... then be drunk and then be an object and not really care, but above all NOT be an object and not plan on ever being one again. Well... it's all aobut the approach. AAAAAUGH okay I'll take this elsewhere, like in my head and not out to share with strangers who probalby don't care anyway. I'm sorry. I'm just... feeling weird. Later, Nicole "You're gonna have to let 'em dick you around, but don't let 'em make you do what you can't live with" W. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:55:35 -0500 From: Melissa Leigh Subject: oh shoot! I just sent the whole digest to the list. I'm sorry to everyone if it doesn't bounce. I hit the send button accidentally! Damn me! Anyway I don't think the lead singer of garbage (shirley manson?) and liz are being honest when they talk about alanis. I think it's just lip service. Notice how they said almost EXACTLY the same thing? They both said how they thought she was a cheap marketing ploy at first and now they appreciate her more. I think they were both trying to say that she was a cheap. m.p. without having to really say it since they're touring with her. P.R. is important. I just can't believe that she said that and no, I do not feel differently just because liz said she was okay. Any CD-R people for the girlysounds charity? anyone? - ---melissa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:39:13 EST From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: Re: meredith's movie dilemma Meredith said: << ObLiz: I really, really don't want to have to go see "She's All That." The song's at the beginning of the movie, right? I'm pondering the cost effectiveness of paying $4.50 (I go to a matinee, of course) and only seeing the first fifteen minutes of the movie. >> There's another option if you don't mind cheating a little. If you have a multiplex nearby, go see a movie you DO want to see that ends just about when She's All That starts, so you can just theater hop in and see the first fifteen minutes. I know this is not exactly ethical, but you're not trying to see the whole movie or anything. Also, for further self-justification, the theater is really making the bulk of its money off refreshment sales, so you won't be hurting them that much. Something to consider.... Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:50:48 EST From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #30 TAD said << I guess all of the Alanis bashers will now rearrange their comments when they see that Liz actually likes Alanis' music. Be careful, the hypocrits are about to either bye an Alanis CD or search for the one they previously bought. I can't wait to hear the comments. >> I think many of us were already aware that Liz has made several positive comments about Alanis's work in several articles previous to the recent one at jamtv.com. However, we also know that Liz tends to be less picky about music than many of her fans are. It seems like she's out of touch with the music scene: for example, she avoids purchasing CDs for herself. The musicians she favors aren't much like her (Will Smith, etc). When considering Liz's opinion of Alanis, we have to keep in mind that Liz *liking* an artist does not necessarily mean the artist is as good as she is... Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 13:55:51 PST From: "jacqueline vreatt" Subject: close encounter of the phair kind hi everyone, this is my second post so be gentle.... just wanted to share the one and only time i have met our phair lady. it was last july, when she was in the D.C. area for lilith. she did a show with WHFS called "just passin thru", DC people will know what i'm tlaking about... it was a very small audience in a recording studio... it was maybe two days after "polyester bride" was first played as a single, i called in to the station and won tickets... anyways, i sat in the front row, mesmerized the whole short time. she played johnny feelgood, never said, polyester bride, divorce song and supernova and she sounded GREAT. she attributed her stage fright to the fact that she doesn't think she has a very good singing voice at all (blasphemy!). after the show, she signed my copy of juvenalia and said "Hi! i was singing to you for a while cuz i could see you knew the words! I don't see this (juvenalia) very often, that's neat, wow!" possibly one of my most memorable moments! just thought i'd share this completely related post... in response to earlier posts: i made my boyfriend a tape of what i liked best from "Celebrity Skin" because it was an uneven album in my eyes. i leave for england on tuesday feb 2nd, am VERY excited about the idea that liz will be recording soon and want to offer many thanks to the girl who posted that article, it was great. NP: The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, a stellar album i'm starting to like this posting thing :) bye for now jackie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 14:06:40 PST From: "katie beach" Subject: i just need to vent... i am so upset!! i am going to miss sleater-kinney, quasi, elliott smith, garbage, hole, and bangs concerts because i am at college!! this sucks!! **sorry for the lack of liz content, but this anger needed to be released before i exploded or something. tired of being screwed over (you know what i mean), katie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:28:04 -0800 (PST) From: Suzanne Walsh Subject: Liz T-shirt OK, I was just looking at ebay and someone is selling a Liz t-shirt that was made for 6'1'' mailing list and it's really cool, but I know it's probably going to get pretty high bids and it's an XL, so whatever...but that got me to thinking - let's make another one! I don't have the resources but someone must! If we got a whole bunch of them made it wouldn't be too expensive would it? so that's my idea...anyone can go with it... == *Suzanne*Suzanne*Suzanne*Suzanne*Suzanne*Suzanne* "Father, you seem like a religious man." -Steve Martin (The Jerk) "Wild and unwise, I wanna be mesmerizing, too." -Liz Phair http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Hall/9429 - Liz Phair http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Musee/1104 - photography _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:49:09 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: Liz T-shirt At 03:28 PM 1/31/1999 -0800, Suzanne wrote: >OK, I was just looking at ebay and someone is selling a Liz t-shirt >that was made for 6'1'' mailing list and it's really cool, but I know >it's probably going to get pretty high bids and it's an XL, so >whatever...but that got me to thinking - let's make another one! I >don't have the resources but someone must! If we got a whole bunch of >them made it wouldn't be too expensive would it? so that's my >idea...anyone can go with it... Actually, the shirt being sold is not from the 6'1" list (which was this list in its original incarnation), but a shirt from the Guyville list, which is an entirely separate entity. We did talk about putting together a shirt for the list at one point last year, but we were afraid that the use of any of Liz's lyrics or published photographs of her without permission would constitute copyright infringement, and that out of respect, we should at least try to get the authorization to make use of such materials before doing so. I was able to contact Liz's management about the shirts, but was never given a definite 'go ahead' from them. I could maybe try contacting them again, if people are still interested. Otherwise, I cannot and will not endorse the production and distribution of any shirts bearing the mailing list name -- if we do go ahead with this, it will only be with the appropriate authorization to do so. I really feel strongly about not infringing on Liz's rights, and at the same time, it's in our best interests not to do so. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:05:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Nicole W." Subject: SETLISTS IF ANYONE GOES TO ANY OF THE SHOWS COMING UP, PLEASE E-MAIL ME THE SETLISTS FOR LIZ. nweisber@emerald.tufts.edu. THANK U. ;) Laterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I'm outta heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere - -Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:07:47 EST From: JJewelbaby@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #30 Hello all! A word to all of you who have been talking about seeing the movie "She's All That." DON'T! Okay, I know this is my opinion, but I just saw it and it was SO lame and a waste of $4! Maybe if you can get in free, stay for the first 5 minutes and listen to "Baby Got Going" by LIZ because that was the BEST PART! :) I was so excited to hear Liz that I actually thought the movie was going to be good- like it was a sign or something. It wasn't! Anyway, just thought I'd add my own comments! Happy listening, Julie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 01:13:49 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Replies Bryan wrote: >Jase----what is the date of the S-K show at the Opera House???? I will try >to make it down for the show....I live about 3 hours north of T.O., so if I >dont have any stupid school crap to do that day, I am there.(hopefully on a >weekend???) The S-K show is on March 24, a Wednesday. There's still no word on when tickets go on sale, but I'll post to the list as soon as I hear anything, seeing as how there are quite a few S-K fans here. If anyone misses out on getting tickets, don't worry -- I'll try to pick up a couple of extras like I did with Liz's show. >Also to Jase------ thanks for posting the 102.1 the edge, web site.....I was >searching for it to post it with my other request addresses but couldnt find >the site..... You are right Q-107 doesnt play any liz (or very little >anyways, at 4 a.m. or somthing like that).... >So----everyone on this list should check the S-S issue 30 and send a request >to much music,mtv and 102 the edge.....ah, fire one off to Q107 too, they >might wake up eventually..... > >Everyone else should post their local radio stations request lines and/or >web sites so we can request the Phair one on a regular basis----I usually >send one or two a week to the above mentioned addresses.....every little bit >helps....if each station got 700 requests a week for Johnny F.G. then I >guarantee we would hear it a lot more!! It would be great if we could coordinate some sort of mass effort to get Liz some radio play. If people could post the email addresses or URLs for their local radio stations, we could all make an effort to request "Johnny Feelgood" a couple of times each week. It really wouldn't take that much time or effort for everyone to send off a few emails every day. We should also focus on getting Liz played on MuchMusic and MTV, since the exposure would be much greater than what any one radio station could offer. There's still no word on whether or not there will be a video for "Johnny" (at least, last I heard), but we could always request "Polyester Bride," "Supernova," and Liz's other videos instead (although I don't think Much has the videos for "Never Said" and "Jealousy.") Nicole wrote: >Anyway... People... I wouldn't get excited about a new album. >Remember how much wcse was postponed? Even when it was ready and a >release date was set, that didn't mean anything. Sure, Liz is writing new >material possibly, but even that is theoretical, adn maybe "new material" >means two songs, and alot goes into an album. Plus, she's got that whole >"record company" that seems to dick her around alot. (I have used that >expression a couple times in teh past few days, and yes, it's borrowed >from Liz). I can't imagine them finding it in best commercial interest to >release a new album so soon. Especially since only one single (maybe >two?) has been released from wcse and you konw, Liz is touring with that >whore right now. But I'm sure the record execs find that to be >advantageous or whatever, and want to promote Liz from that angle. I think a lot of WCSE's delays stemmed from the fact that Liz initially only seemed to be half-heartedly working on the album; early on, she wasn't even sure if she still wanted to be in the music business. She also wasn't satisfied with the recordings from the first set of sessions with Scott Litt and scrapped a lot of them; in effect, more or less starting the album again. She also didn't do a lot of recording during the latter stages of her pregnancy and took some time for herself after Nick was born, which is perfectly understandable. Once Liz got back to work, she really dove into things, and she seems to have that same passion -- "the bug" -- now. A lot of the later delays stemmed more from record company politics. Liz did complete one version of the album (which everyone will soon hear as it was included among the material on the studio tapes that Ken purchased), only to have Capitol suggest that she do a little more work on it because they didn't think there were any "hits" on it. They didn't reject the album per se, but had Liz insisted on releasing it as it was, they may not have done much in the way of promoting it, which would have effectively killed the record's chances commercially. The ironic part is that this version of the album is almost as good as what was eventually released, although in a different way. When the version we all know and love was finished, it was originally scheduled for a June release, but got pushed back to August due to many other high-profile releases due to be released by Capitol at that time. This was really stupid, in my opinion. Had WCSE been released in time to coincide with Liz's Lilith appearances, I'm sure it would have done even better than it has. However, anyone who did see Liz at Lilith and was interested in checking out her albums were left to choose from only _Exile_ and _Whip-Smart_ instead. The Beastie Boys' new album was one of the major releases that was cited as cause for the delay, which makes no sense to me - -- they could have released that album at any time and it would have done well. It's not like Capitol's marketing and promotional departments were needed to be entirely focused on that album for it to be a hit. Their solution of simply deciding to delay Liz's album to a slower release time for them seemed like an insult to me -- like she wasn't enough of a priority to them or had enough pull with them. They made both Liz and us fans wait, when the record could have been released that much sooner. I don't really blame Matador at all; they seem to give their artists much more freedom than other labels do. If any label is dicking Liz around, it's Capitol. About the new album, even if Liz were to start recording it this month, it probably wouldn't see release until the end of the year, at which point WCSE's commercial life would pretty much be over. Most non-superstar albums don't have a very long shelf life, and the album was released over five months ago. My suspicion is that if "Johnny Feelgood" doesn't take off, we'll probably only see one more single from the album and that will be it for promotion. As for how much Liz has been able to write, I imagine she likely has enough material for a new record by now. She finished recording WCSE last January, so she had quite a bit of time to write songs before she started doing promotion and touring for it, and as she said, she's writing now. In terms of commercial interests, Liz may be small beans to Capitol, but she is Matador's top-selling artist. I'm sure that once WCSE's period of commercial potential is deemed to be over, they'd love to have another record ready to release not long afterwards. The only problem may be scheduling it with Capitol. There was only a sixteen month period between the releases of _Exile_ and _Whip-Smart_, so it does seem possible that maybe we will get WCSE's follow-up just as quickly. I'm not placing any bets or anything though, because really, anything could happen and we could end up waiting four years again. _Exile_ was recorded over the course of the summer of '92, the bulk of _Whip-Smart_ was recorded during a nine-day trip to the Bahamas, and _spaceegg_ was recorded off-and-on over the course of two years. Liz doesn't really have a consistent time span for the making of an album. If nothing else, maybe instead of a new album this year, we will get an EP of some sort. Liz did record a lot of tracks for WCSE that didn't make the cut for the record, and she'll have more to potentially release if she does get in the studio again so soon. _Juvenilia_ was released just eleven months after _Whip-Smart_, so there's another pattern that could potentially be followed. FemART17@aol.com wrote: >It hurts me to >hear people put down an artist who actually stands up for what they believe. >Just remember, >next time you are making fun of Alanis-etc. that an artist is entitled to >like whatever music they wish, wear whatever they want, and tour with whoever >the hell they want to!!!!!! Musical artists aren't products created to please >us--they are real people--take it easy. I don't think any of us were putting down Alanis herself (at least, I know I wasn't). Some of us were simply stating that we either don't care for or are indifferent to her music. It's not anything personal against Alanis herself, it's just a matter of personal taste and opinion. I know that some of us have expressed that we weren't thrilled with the idea of Liz touring with Alanis, but I don't think anyone ever demanded that Liz not go through with it. It's not that we're not allowing her to do it. Some of us just don't like the idea of going to see Liz play a short set in a huge venue for outrageous ticket prices, especially when we aren't fans of the headliner. It's just not as worth it to us as seeing Liz on her own was and is, so we've chosen not to attend these shows. No one ever said that Liz can't do what she likes, though. Anyway, there were a few more things I wanted to respond to, but I'll save those for later or else I won't get this sent out in time to make this digest. Cheers, Jase NP: Jen Trynin, _Gun Shy Trigger Happy_ ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #31 ***********************************