From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #23 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, January 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 023 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Liz vs. Juliana [Craig King ] Label cuts, Fear of Pop [Michael Connolly ] Rumours and Speculation [Brian Carmichael ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #22 [Nick Nelson ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #22 [Peter Washington ] won't you please please help me...when i was younger... [MrE ] Re: Liz's guitar playing [kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:39:44 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: Liz vs. Juliana For everyone debating Liz vs. Julianna's guitar playing, I just have to say that louder does not equal better. Just look at all of those shitty death metal bands. Now I'm not taking anything away from Julianna's guitar playing, but I just think that Liz is more passionate and creative with her guitar playing. Liz writes chord progressions that I've never heard before, but that sound so amazing. A perfect example is Stratford-On-Guy. I love the chord progressions in that song. I just love the way Liz writes songs and play guitar. It's just too amazing to explain. She really is the Goddess Of Rock. Well, I could go on and on about Liz's guitar playing, but I won't. It needs no explanation. Craig King"AdRock" "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine. Ovaltine? Son of a bitch!" - Peter Billingsley from the movie "A Christmas Story" _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 22:56:06 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Connolly Subject: Label cuts, Fear of Pop Warning, non-Liz content Saw a whole butt-ton of press releases from the new mega-corporation Universal Music Group, Seagram's entertainment wing. Seems they're going to be cutting several hundred artists from the slew of labels they've acquired last month: Island, Geffen, Mercury, Polydor, Interscope, Motown, A&M, MCA, Universal among others. This will make, paraphrasing a UMG corporate weasel, "a leaner and more cost-efficient" company which is free of duplication. (MrE, you work for UMG? Sounds like something you said about goosestepping.) The reason I bring this up is because a lot of the affected artists are faves of our dear posters. Hole, PJ Harvey, Lisa Loeb and Shania Twain seem to be safe in this new world order, but Juliana Hatfield and a few other artists considered to have "marginal" sales will be getting the cut. Expect specific bands to be named within two weeks. If you want more details, I can post or e-mail to individuals the article my editor and I spent four hours writing today to get it in before deadline. Also, anyone catch Fear Of Pop on Conan Friday night? That is the Ben Folds "he kids, let's make a goofy album and see who plays it" project. They did "In Love", featuring five minutes of spoken word by William Shatner (the first Enterprise CO, for those baby trekkers out there.) The woman singing background was Fleming McWilliams (of Fleming and John), whom I mistook Liz's background singer for on Rosie a while back. Just brought that up so y'all wouldn't think I was seeing things. I still say they look alike. Okay, maybe there is Liz content in this after all. Mikey C Va Beach An unfamous, but not that kind of man. "I found Jesus. He was behind the couch the whole time." - -Will Harris _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:27:22 -0800 From: Brian Carmichael Subject: Rumours and Speculation So, Thursday night I go out for a drink or two with some people I know and I hear this little tidbit of information from an individual who is "in the know". Liz will be heard as background music on an American tv show which is produced/located in Canada. Don't know which show, but you know the ones I mean - Due South, Forever Knight, what X-Files used to be when filmed in Vancouver. My guess would be Due South, with the whole "Chicago setting" and all. Don't really watch the show, but I remember a few years ago they had some kind of Sarah McLachlan theme in their background music and at least 2 or 3 songs were heard during that episode. I also unfortunately do not know when this will happen or even if it is guaranteed to (so what good am I then). No matter how many highballs I had Thursday, I am certain there is at least a grain of truth above... Brian Too busy working for The Man to post as often as he'd like to... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 00:32:44 -0800 (PST) From: Nick Nelson Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #22 >From: AngelLieb@aol.com >Subject: KC and the Sunshine Band? > >Well, now that we're talking about Oh My God, a thought came into my head. > You know that annoying song by KC and the Sunshine Band? "That's the way uh >huh. I like it." > Hmmmmm...similarities? I sure hope Liz didn't listen to them when she was >growing up! On the Squirt TV show (MTV) she played Oh My God and segued into That's the Way without missing a beat. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:04:55 -0500 From: Peter Washington Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #22 Nicole writes: >alone, adn then came back here again. alone. but i still have >makeup on, What a coincidence, I have Makeup on, too; the band Makeup. Anyone out there should check them out. Check the indies section at your local records store. And KB said: >Well, now that we're talking about Oh My God, a thought came into my >head. You know that annoying song by KC and the Sunshine Band? >"That's the way uh huh. I like it." > Hmmmmm...similarities? I sure hope Liz didn't listen to them >when she was growing up! Given Liz's penchant for ripping off other songs (White Babies, Fuck of Die, Go, Speed Racer, South Dakota, Wild Thing, Do You Love Me, What Makes You a Slave and I'll Get You High all come to mind [okay, so actually I had to look at the Girlysound sleeve]) it's clear that that was the inspiration for that particular part of the song. The question is, did she actually like it or just copy it because of its popularity? And would it really be that bad? What's so wrong with some good old disco? Peter Today's Word of the Day, direct from Webster's Third New International Cornerstone and Dictionary: zannichelliaceae: synonym of POTAMOGETONACEAE. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 01:54:08 -0800 From: MrE Subject: won't you please please help me...when i was younger... >>"You put a perfect strain on my heart, >>you put a perfect strain on my heart!" Is that it? >>Lucas ..."She keeps it pumpin' straight to my heart" >>As for the mp3 issue,..shameful story...THREE sleater-kinney >>albums...one (90 min.) tape...Should I feel guilty? >>Lucas ...if you do the math, all three S-K discs might fit on one 90 minute tape and have room enough for some bikini kill...but then again, english are my better subject. and should you decide to remain in guilt, render all your possessions unto the poor (that's me) and spend the remainder of your life with charlie sheen...penance extradinaire. oh, and you can order all three discs for ten bucks or less from Kill Rock Stars: www.killrockstars.com and they even pay the freight and there is no sales tax. >>>>one has to be on today's internet. >>...that k is exactly correct >>MrE ...what the hell you mumblin about, E? (this may have said"not everyone has to be on today's internet" to which i may have replied "that is exactly correct"...but don't quote me.) >>Ruth Seabrook >>Flat 3 >>64 Redcliffe Gardens >>London SW10 9HD >>England ...you just might/will/maybe be sorry/annoyed/grieved. >>(:ruthie:), who fucking hates twisslers ...they're ok once you get them lit. >>Nicole >>If I haver, well I know I'm gonna be >>I'm gonna be the (wo)man who's haverin to you... ...promise? >>For what it's worth, Polyester Bride finished >>at No. 68 on the 91X (91.1 FM radio station in San Diego) >>listeners' top 91 songs of 98. >>Al ...91X isa great station and when the wind blows just right,..l.a.is such a shitty town for music. >>"Press the any key? Where's the any key?" - Homer J. Simpson >>Craig King"AdRock" ...so, is this part of scott weiland's release agreement? (IT'S A JOKE-NOT A VERY GOOD ONE-SO SHOOT ME (UP)- IT'S ANOTHER ATTEMPTED HUMOR THING-YOU DON'T HAVE TO LAUGH- I'M SURE IN THE HELL NOT...) >>Meredith "Brownshirt" Robbins ...now that was well put, non condencending, irreverently polite and an altogether much less antagonizing approach to what may/may not be a problem. my problem with the post of my reply was not so much the 'ways' as it was the humorless 'means'. and you madame robbins, in as much as you yourself possess a bitingly witty sense of irreverence, i (and pardon my assumption) believe that you know whereof i write...we are drawn to ms phair for a number of reasons, but in the end is it not her spirit of independence, irreverence and wit that captivates us moreso than anything else? and all jargonized verbage aside, i just don't like being told to 'jump'...how about you? actung, baby...and 'schloop' (thanx Peter) and on a finally maybe note, desperately seeking content, i will close in a johnny sunshinesque 'you left me nothing' mode courtesy of my friend for life (whither she agrees or not), Nicole: >>Argh. Men have it so fucking easy. >>Goodnight. >>- -Nicole some wax philosophical, some wax bikini lines... and some wax on, wax off. MrE ~~ "Give me a Leonard Cohen afterworld So I can sigh eternally" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ piss-does anyone know how to get windows to recognize one of my hard drives after a crash? i have the crash part down pretty good, but the bodywork is too fn hard...PLEASE! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:19:56 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: Liz and TP So Liz listens to Tom Petty. That it SO cool. I just read it in the issue of Request magazine that Liz was on. I would absolutely love if Liz and Tom either played a concert together or did some songs together. Two of the best songwrites in the world coming together. It would be amazing. One can dream........ Craig King"AdRock" "Real love is amid salvation. The weak one's fall. The strong carry on. - Tom Petty _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:13:52 -0500 (EST) From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko) Subject: Re: Liz's guitar playing I'm so glad that everyone is all of a sudden interested in Liz's guitar playing. For those who don't know, her technique is anything but simple. In fact, it's really hard to grasp just how complex it is until you see her play live. That's the problem with this new tour -- with so many backup musicians, Liz has simplified her guitar playing so that they'll *actually* have something to do. In the past, Liz's playing was (and in some instances, still is) so complex that she could actually get away with a solo electric tour (and she did). I hope this makes sense. When she wrote songs in her bedroom (that would be Girlysound, for starters), she could hear a full arrangement in her head and thus wrote weird guitar parts to compensate for the fact that she never had a backup band (in those days). John Henderson (who originally worked on Guyville w/ Brad & Liz until he and Liz disagreed to the point of falling out as friends) said that Liz always had such an unusual way of playing guitar. In the Tribune article "All's Phair" (which can be found archived at the Guyville site -- read it; it's long but very informative), he said her playing was percussive and melodic at the same time. Liz remembered this in a very recent article and said Henderson noticed how she would write *bass* and *lead guitar* parts into her songs (even though she's a rhythm guitarist, if you have to label it). That's the key. It worked damned well, with the spare arrangement of Girlysound & Exile & Whip-Smart and subsequent solo performances. I could go on about this forever, but I know there are many who couldn't care less, so I'll stop. It's just unfortunate that many fans & journalists don't give Liz the credit she deserves. She's so creative w/ this particular aspect of her music, and I think the problem is that people don't know how to recognize this talent. I want to thank Meredith for spelling out what I was getting at with my posting guidelines. Some things go *right* over some people's heads. Thank you, Meredith. Steve ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #23 ***********************************