From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #14 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, January 15 1999 Volume 02 : Number 014 Today's Subjects: ----------------- MP3s [Dermich@aol.com] Engerland swings ["Chipko Arnold" ] "To end this call, please hang up now." [MrE ] hello again my sunshine's in the rain ["Chipko Arnold" ] Richmond show/planning help needed for Chi-town [Michael Connolly ] Liz opening for you-know-who [DaisyFoo14@aol.com] I bought a map of the moon [Nicole Weisberg ] smell of sweet... something something I don't know the words [Nicole Weis] Fw: MAgIC TRICK ["Bryan Moore" ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #13 [AngelLieb@aol.com] my ramblings [LULU428@aol.com] lucinda's coming [Oh4sythia@aol.com] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] PLEASE READ! [Jason Long ] Liz and aliens ["Jorge (George) Cooper" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:43:39 EST From: Dermich@aol.com Subject: MP3s Hmmmmm...not to preach, but every MP3 you upload to your site is a huge potential loss for Liz Phair, and thereby her fans. If her "fans" give her music away for free then people won't buy her albums because why should you when it's on the Net in the same quality and Matador won't be able to support her recording and then Liz won't be able to make any more records and even if she does she won't be able to get them to those of us around the country and the world who might want to listen to them. Unreleased stuff, fine. MP3 your hearts out. I wouldn't even bitch about songs that are very, VERY hard to find in their commercial releases ("Carnivore," "Freak of Nature"). But Liz fans should NOT support MP3s of Liz's (or any other artists') normally-released studio stuff, unless she is releasing it to the Web on her own accord. Would you buy a bootlegged copy of Exile In Guyville? Or would you TAKE one without paying? Is that any way to show your support for an artist? They used to say in the '70s, "home taping is killing the recording industry." Well, MP3s REALLY have that potential. Derek ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 02:00:55 PST From: "Chipko Arnold" Subject: Engerland swings Ruthie wrote.. "speaking of concerts, there are a bunch of good ones here.. unfortuntately i just found mervury rev is completely and utterly sold out :( my new friend brian will be very disappointed. elliot smith and sebedoh.. i have to call the box office woman back... she said she was trying to find more tickets. in the beginning of february there is heather nova and madder rose. not that any of you are actually interesting in all this... " Some of us are interested in UK gigs, i can't be the only Brit here! Hopefully i'll be at these gigs and more... Divine Comedy & Mark eitzel on Saturday (happy birthday Ruthie), They might be giants on Mon and next Sat. Muttonbirds & Grand Drive on Feb 6'th (f#*K, i think that's the same day as Madder Rose.) Anyway, hope you're enjoying it Ruthie, maybe we can persuade all the colonials to hold Lizphest this side of the pond.. While waiting for a gig to start last night i found Jen Trynin's last cd in a store. It cost £18 !!! and as you CAN'T but one cd i had to get another import (the only cd i wanted and didn't have) so Jen's cd cost me £35!!! It better be good, i'm going to play it at work in about 10 mins time. Bye for now... Ruthie email me off list, i may be able to help you! "and i wonder how i've come to know so much less than i knew before" ... Joseph Lee Henry. "i know the promise is so much better than the real thing" ... Grand Drive. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 01:57:42 -0800 From: MrE Subject: "To end this call, please hang up now." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>MrE.-- i think at one point you said >>something about "ruthie the damp"... >>i'm assuming that is a london reference >>(it was actually supposed to be >>sunny today, but its raining :-p) >>and not some well.. i wont' go there ;-) ...you just go right on ahead to wherever you must venture. >>Or maybe it should be >>held on a special Liz-date, >>like her birthday or something >>(I have no idea when that is though) >>Jen ...i think april would be ideal...we could all hang out around her house (some of you know the address, and if not, celeb addresses are easily acquired), have a liz tune sing-song, camp out in the driveway and die of hypothermia just prior to arrival of the badge-men. or liz might actually let us in for baileys&java and let us shower and she... hypothermia. possessed...i'm fn possessed. nicole...are you missing any parts that might be trippin' the light fantastic inside my head? >>most of them deal with spirituality or >>finding spirituality or finding a sense in oneself. >>Does anyone get what I'm trying to say? >>KaTiE ();) ...sometimes, but occasionally i have jorge interpret for me, something about his medication helps him understand KaTiEiSmS. with regard to spirituality amongst the 98 releases, i must first say that 1998 was a pitiable year for music that appealed to the fringe and as a result, i purchased very few discs, far fewer in fact than i stole. a random sampling of 98 acquisitions revealed the following spiritual values: 1. Harveydanger-Where have all the blahblahblah..? 'flagpole sitta' is perhaps one of the more soulful tunes, or else it's just so damn close to my own reality... 2. Julie Ruin: from a kinder, gentler kathleen hanna comes "what the fuck if we all got guns to off the fucking pigs and all the other motherfuckers"...from the song 'i wanna know what love is". 'nuff said. 3. Sheryl Crow-The Globe Sessions: the insert blurbs about the "campaign for a landmine free world", but having a love sorta song ostensibly written about eric 'the once great' clapton leaves this reviewer looking for a tent revival... 4. Garbage-2.lame: brings to mind amy grant. with such lyrical content as 'heaven knows what a girl can do' and 'golden showers', shirley manson could indeed bring new meaning to 'prayer meeting'... 5. Ani Difranco-Little Plastic Castle: from the mariachi laced 'i wish they could see us now in leather bras and rubber shorts' to the colorful "i'm gonna pull out my tampon", the 'righteous babe' is well on her way to becoming the next aimee simple mcpherson... 6. Dwight Yoakam-A Long Way Home: not the least bit spiritual, but why in the hell should i care? he's yoakam. it's psychobilly. sharon stone called him a 'dirt sandwich' (guess she's familiar with the flavor). did i mention spiritual? no? good, because there's none... 7. Bikini Kill-The Singles: (see julie ruin) uh...well, here goes-"ask you what the fuck, what the fuck, what the fuck, what the fuck did they do to you?"..."but she's not bacon, boy-she's fucking sizzlelean". sounds like an ode to Tammy Fae Baker... 8. p j harvey-Is This Desire?: an artist without peer whose spirituality and sexuality/sensuality are consistent themes, but it remains doubtful that she will become a 'dove' award recipient any time soon... >>I'm feeling un-Nicole like right now, so I'm going to send >>this crappy post. But hey, at least you got a damned post. >>Bye.- -Nicole ...i guess i can turn off the 'self inducing carbon monoxide inhalator' now and tie off...ahhhhh >>This time I don't have to work out a freakin' >>budget, and fly people in from across the country, >>and put them up in a hotel, and chauffeur them around... >>July 9-10-11, 1999. >>Cindy um...i always considered those things to be the best part of camping. how am i supposed to camp without a hotel and a chauffeur. if we leave this to you, we'll probably devolve into some outdoor sleeping cult...and what the hell is wrong with JULY 12? just because it falls on MY birthday, it has to be excluded? >>I know that KROQ in Los Angeles >>has played "polyester bride" on occasion... >>rob ...which occasion was that? cereally, KROQ used to be cool enough to be phair, but until richard blade is quits programming that eighties CRAP, i've decided to listen to rick dees...and someday i may even turn the radio on... AND I THINK SEATTLE IS AN EXCEPTIONAL IDEA! it too is centrally located, sitting midway between yukon (jack perma-frost: the Mre beverage of choice) and ensenada. or better yet, think l.a.-a mere 275 miles from the MrE campground of choice: Camp Las Vegas! >>TOP 10 POP/ROCK RELEASES OF 1998 >>4. Liz Phair "Whitechocolatespaceegg" ...beat out by seal (say what?), galactic and the beasties. this concludes our liz content for today. "To end this call, please hang up now." MrE - -- - ----------come on over and do the twist - -----------------------over do it and have a fit - -love you so much ya make me sick := Subject: hello again my sunshine's in the rain Well i've listened to Jen (can't remember how to spell her surname and the cd's in the other room) and it's pretty darn good. So thank you all for raving about her. Someone came in while it was playing and said "Cowboy Junkies" and i agreed (it was one of the quiet songs with slide guitar). There was a nice amount of variety and good songs, well worth the huge sums of money. As another thank you i urge all of you, yes even the "lurkers" at the back, to go out and buy ONE of the following...... Josh Rouse, Robyn Hitchcock, Buffalo Tom, Joe Henry, Weeping Tile, Belly, The Jayhawks, Neutral Milk Hotel, Wilco, Son Volt, Uncle Tupelo, R.E.M., The Wannadies, Mojave 3, Kelly Hogan, Bettie Serveert, Grant Lee Buffalo or Baby Bird. Thank you. I do hope Ruthie won't fall into the Indie trap now she's in the UK. She'll start listening to xfm (a crap radio station) and liking the Manic street Preachers. If this happens i fear we'll lose her forever. If she starts quoting Catatonia dial 999 (911 for non-brits) straight away! I'm off to listen to Jen Trynin (????) again. I'll also learn how to spell her name. Ta. "and i wonder how i've come to know so much less than i knew before" ... Joseph Lee Henry. "i know the promise is so much better than the real thing" ... Grand Drive. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 08:52:38 -0600 From: ashilhanek@marceline.k12.mo.us (Andrew Shilhanek) Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #13 Hello everyone: I'm new to this list. I saw Liz at St. Louis with Lilith Fair. I don't have tapes to trade, but I would like whatever demos or concerts. Am willing to send the tapes or whatever needs to be done. - -"She picked out a book of poems and handed it to me. Written by an Italian poet from the 15th century. Well everyone of them words rang true. Pouring off of every page like it was written in my soul from me to you - Tangled up in Blue. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:04:04 -0800 (PST) From: Lana Subject: Introducing.....ME! Hello fellow Phair Phans! I am new to the mailing list, so I thought I'd introduce myself. I've been listening to (obsessing over) Liz since 1993 when I got Exile for Christmas. My favorite things about her are her candidness, her haunting melodies, and how damn cute she is :) Did anyone else see her at Lilith over the summer? I saw her in Nashville and just about exploded from excitement. I also had 6th row tickets to see her in St. Louis back in November, but she cancelled a few days before the show...I'm just now recovering from that trauma. Does anyone know if she's going to tour on her own after the Alanis gigs? Also, does anyone else out there like Ani Difranco too? I read something in the last few digests about a discussion on Scrappy, Scooby, and the whole Mystery Machine gang...I hated Scrappy, but I have to say that Scooby's dumb cousin (can't remember his name) was WAY more annoying. Also, is it true that Casey Casim does the voice of Shaggy??? And, finally, does anyone else think that Velma was a lesbian? I mean, the only attractive person on the cartoon was Daphne, so it would only be sensible. By the way, I have a miniature Mystery Machine in my car :) Everyone take care!!!! Lana _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 07:26:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Connolly Subject: Richmond show/planning help needed for Chi-town For those of you who are planning to attend the Richmond concert, here's the scoop. The show is on the 7th at Lakeside Theater (or whatever it is), starting at 7:30pm. There will be no show at William and Mary College. And, according to the person my editor talked to at Matador yesterday (Wednesday) afternoon, LP is NOT giving interviews on this tour. He didn't get a reason, but figures it has something to do with an agreement between LP and Alamoose for this portionj of the tour. Oh well, I almost had LP calling me at home. As for the Chicago thing, let me tell you how it went when I broached the subject with Wyf. Her: "Who's going to be there?" Me: "A bunch of people I don't know. A lot of them are college-aged." Her: "And where is it at again?" Me: "Chicago" Her: "Don't you have a cousin there who's a lawyer?" Me: "Yes, I do. Mary Beth." Her: "Good. Then you can get her to represent you in the divorce when you go." So, unless I can (or anyone else here) figure out how to get from Va Beach to Chicago w/o pissing off Wyf, I prolly won't be there this July. Any suggestions? Mikey C Va Beach An unfamous, but not that kind of man. Yet. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 11:25:53 EST From: Paradise79@aol.com Subject: Liz Phest > Liz Phest will happen. > In Chicago. > July 9-10-11, 1999. Ahhhhhh. I'll be on my honeymoon. We were gonna spend 2 weeks in Florida, but maybe we can find a way to change plans and spend a week in Chicago. My fiance' has friends there and I have family there, so I can use that as an added excuse to try to convince him to go. Keep me updated. Hyphen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 17:22:03 GMT From: "Julia Rios" Subject: liz vs. jewel (celebrity death match anyone?) katie wrote: ><> > Not to flame anyone here, but I like Jewel's song "Hands." I find >myself liking her songs that are not on her albums. Also, must we >have to compare so-and-so to so-and-so? That's one thing Craig and >I talked about yesterday: reasons why we like the music we listen to. >Usually, there's one talent that I find in an artist that I like about them >that no other has. Like Jewel can yodel and I'm sure no one is gonna >care about this part of my post, so I'm gonna shut-up. you are right. normally i wouldn't care, but i feel the need to defend myself for the one part of that post that i felt was entirely justified. I don't compare everyone to liz. and i don't hate jewel. i just hate the hands song. i think a few songs from pieces of you were decent (though certainly *not* the title track), and normally i would never bother to compare her to liz. it seems like a completely assisnine comparison. BUT there *is* the small matter of "god's gift to women," a song which is rare and usually surprises the hell out of any jewel fans i play it for (who expects to hear jewel say Motherfucker?). i kind of like the song because it *is* unexpected, but at the same time everytime i hear i can't help thinking it is a rather lame attempt at something like "flower," which we all should know was *not* rather lame (of course one of the reasons i like the jewel song is because it's lameness is kind of endearing). plus the fact that my friend had said it sounded like liz with nirvana; well after that how could you listen and *not* compare? but no generally i do not compare liz with jewel or alanis or the spice girls or they might be giants... but who said comparison is bad? when a song reminds you of another song, to compare -i think- is good. stimulates the brain and whatnot. okay so liz camp in chicago... um why 9,10,11 july, cynthia? just curious... Julia :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:02:06 -0500 (EST) From: steve Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #13 katie the ();) said: "Bjork - Homogenic (I think there's something in there)" i dont think this album is really that spiritual, nor does she try to find herself. the only lyric even remote to that is "i'm no fucking buddhist, but this is enlightenment," which is more of a mockery than a spiritual statement. i dont think she was going for any singular theme on this album anyways. plus, it came out in october of 97, so thus it doesnt qualify for the trendy spiritual albums of 98. hehe;) bjork is the greatest. not to start a thread or anything, but i am just actually reallllly annoyed by this new trend...i'll call it the "thank u india" trend. boohoo, i have millions of dollars so i can go diddybopping off to another country for months and 'find myself'. please buy my album so i can go do it again! thank u america, thank u india, thank u madonna. i just hope this trend doesnt seep it's way into '99. i would just crucify myself if the new Nine Inch Nails album has a tribute to yoga on it. liz's muses are much better, and im sure we would all agree on that:) steve "imagine what my body would sound like slamming against those rocks and when it lands, will my eyes be closed or open? i go through all this before i wake up so i can feel happier to be safe up here with you" -bjork 'hyperballad' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:56:26 EST From: DaisyFoo14@aol.com Subject: Liz opening for you-know-who OK, I only have a minute to write this, so...yeah. Um, are we totally positive that Liz will be opening for you-know-who for the Feb 6 date in Chapel Hill? I went to ticketbastard, and they don't have Liz listed...I'm not sure if it's b/c they're dumb, or if she's cancelled.......I just wana make sure b/c I REALLY don't feel like spending $35 just to see Alan-ass, in addition to mucho money flying down from NY to Raleigh for 2 days to visit my best friend, who's gonna come w/ me. I checked pollstar and capitol, and they both have Liz listed, but I'm just paranoid and trying not to waste shitloads of money. Also, granted that I end up going, what's the best way to meet her? I'm not planning to stay for Alan-ass, so would I be able to find Liz then? I'm planning to go all-out stalker-girl, so if anyone has an suggestions as to how I could meet her, please do tell. Liz sig here eventually - --Allison DaisyFoo14@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 15:56:52 -0500 (EST) From: Nicole Weisberg Subject: I bought a map of the moon No I didn't. I just thought it was a good line for a subject heading. HI RUTHIE!!! Ugh, I went to the movies the other day, adn they had an X-Files pinball gamej, but some one was playing it, and today, on the campus of U Mich, I went to this place called Pinball Pete's , thinking htey'd have it maybe? But theyd idn't. Which brings me to liz con tent: I'm glad that if i transfer, which at this point is highly likely, that I didn't do it last year. cuz then i wouldn't have been in boston!@!! Think about that!! I would only have seen liz once at the most, not met her, not met ruthie, katie b., et al, yada yada yada. So it's allright. I mean, it s harder to transfer as a junior, but it was worth it to be in the boston area in 1998. Okay I feel ad cuz i'm taking up the phone line in here and, while my friend isn't here anyway, her roommate is and she's probably mad or soemthign that i'm being so ... intrusive. So tomorrow, people, tomorrow you will get the full nicole effect. Nicole is in full effect, no doubt... (remember that no diggity song? well i do.) So goodbye, so long, i'm gone already...I'm runnin out of time... I"m losing my m\ind... won't somebody hold me... That sums it up! - -Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 16:11:47 -0500 (EST) From: Nicole Weisberg Subject: smell of sweet... something something I don't know the words I was trying to sing 7 Chinese Bros. I know Voice of Harold, but i don't know 7 Chinese Bros. Anwyay, as usual, I remember something after i post. If i can find his e-mail addy, I know someone who said he had a really bad copy of 11/30/98 boston. If you'r ejus tDYING to hear allison and i'm a believer, maybe i can find this guy. But he said it's horrible quality. I don't know if i have his e-mail addy still cuz he sent me this e=mail like, 12/1 and i might have deleted it. But i'll see in about a week. Allright. Going for real this time. Lovingly, - -da May Queen, Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 18:03:08 -0500 From: "Bryan Moore" Subject: Fw: MAgIC TRICK >>Subject: MAgIC TRICK >> >> >> You have to try this............... >> >>Go to this URL and try this magic trick. >> >> http://www3.mcps.k12.md.us/users/rsfay/magic/index.html >> >> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:34:42 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #13 << Liz Phest will happen. In Chicago. July 9-10-11, 1999. >> Wo genau? (translation: Where exactly?) Sounds cool....but need more info......help her out peeps! Oh garsh! I sure hope no one responds to my spiritual post! I was only thinking out loud at the time. Anyways.... KaTiE ();) "You'll never trust your pink, bless your hearts," Jewel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:27:13 EST From: LULU428@aol.com Subject: my ramblings I have a good story- I thought this was really funny, my brother just got a job working for a pr/marketing co. that handles miramax films in nyc, as well as some broadway shows. well, one show they are dealing with right now is delaguarda which is like the hottest thing right now. anyway, my brother left me a message that he had 2 tickets for tonight if I wanted them and to call him immediately. so I get home and call him and he said that the tickets were gone already, and I could have seen the show with - you guessed it- Alanis! she had someone call today and get her tickets so I would have been sharing floor space with the one and only! oh well :( you dont sit down for this show, everyone stands around and these people fly around on bungee cords (or something to that effect- I havent seen it yet). he also told me courtney love is going soon, so I told him he HAD to get me tickets for that day. I would also love copies of the boston shows, since i was at the 11/30 show and was absolutely mesmerized by her and it was one of the most amazing nights of my life, I have to relive it on tape. i have just about everything of liz if anyone wants a copy- girlysounds, phairities, shelved demos, fuck and run, pottymouth, etc. oh, and i just acquried a homeless teenage female cat in heat (yeah, lucky me!) who is the most precious thing in the entire world. charcoal gray, long hair, green/yellow eyes, just to die for, and she is standing on me right now, nuzzling my face. ooh, I am in love, finally. I know nothing about cats, i have owned turtles for the past 5 years, can tell you everything you need to know about them- but cats- nothing. if anyone wants to give me any helpful hints, I would be glad to hear em. one last thing, I read that article about jewel in rolling stone, and I think it portrayed her in such a favorable light- I really enjoyed it. I really dont mind her- I used to like her alot- I had that ep of hers with that song - gods gift to women- and i really liked it, I think it was about the time i started listening to liz come to think of it. the interviewer also seemed to fall in love with her while getting to know her during the interview process, so maybe it skewed the whole tone of the article. whatever... sorry this was such a long post- be safe and keep warm in this crazy winter weather, peace, Lani ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 20:49:24 EST From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: lucinda's coming Reading everyone's top-10 lists a few weeks ago, I noticed Lucinda Williams a lot. She's performing in my area next month, but I don't know her music. Should I find a way to try it out and then go to her show? Now back to Liz. Someone mentioned seeing a few Liz-mentions in the year-end Request mag. (from Musicland / Sam Goody). Actually, Liz is mentioned a billion times, sometimes randomly. I guess this is because she was kind of ubiquitous among the critiqued-rock this year, and so critics have her on the mind constantly. ***She appeared under "overrated" (but it was pretty gentle: "Who ever said we wanted her to evolve at all?", a sentiment we can all kind of relate to, though we got over it). ***Also, there was an item about the Spice Girls, which started out by discussing "ancilliary merchandise (dolls, lunch boxes, kiddie makeup) and ended "...impending domestic-leave issues affecting half of SpiceCo's corporate officers. Can they survive with *three* Baby Spices? Is there Girl Power beyond the diaper pail? Liz Phair offered hope, if little ancillary merchandise." (Perhaps Katie can change this - mass-marketed wcse cookies and beanie Spaceeggs, anyone?) Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:30:04 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Brett Pemberton Subject: bugaloos ... no liz here, officer *** from support-system-digest Wednesday, January 13 1999 Volume 02 : Number 012 on a note that has absolutely nothing to do with liz... for some amusement, play the bugaloos theme backwards.. i'm sure its easily obtainable on the net somewhere... from memory... " we will maim you we will maim you we will matsurbate you we are the ultimate we are the ultimate " thank god i never watched the show... now where did i leave that axe... / brett > >If I may, let me interject and urge anybody and everybody who gives a damn >to run out and get "Saturday Morning: Cartoons' Greatest Hits". Material >Issue and some girl from Chicago cover The Banana Splits theme song, and >like...a bunch of other stuff that I remember. If you're lucky enough to get >The Cartoon Network, they re-run the Bugaloos and The Banana Splits, plus >most of the Hanna-Barbera productions at odd hours of the night. TCN even >used the Juliana Hatfield/Tanya Donelly cover of 'Josie and the Pussycats' >in an ad I saw at least once or twice. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 21:37:55 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Aaron Walker Subject: Billboard charts > For Stacy, I read on a Liz page that the single Johnny Feelgood is set > to be released to radio this week. However, I also read that much like > Polyester Bride, the single is not going to be released commercially. > What this means is basically this. ---- the song is a single and will > be promoted on radio, but the song is not entered into billboard's > charting system. The bottom line is, we will probably not be hearing > very much of it on the radio. We must all do our best to email, phone, > harass our local stations and request the tune !!!! Didn't Billboard just change their charting system recently so that tracks that haven't been released commercially as singles would still track? I could be completely wrong but I'd swear I read that recently. - -- - -Aaron Walker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:33:53 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: PLEASE READ! [I posted this quite some time ago, but thought a repost of it now would be appropiate.] Hey everyone, Usually I'm fairly easy-going as the owner of this mailing list, but at this time, I would like to make a few requests of everyone: 1. If you have multiple email accounts, please remember to post from the one you use to subscribe to the list. Otherwise your messages will just bounce to me and will not make it to the list until I have a chance to forward them. 2. Do not send unsubscribe requests to the list. This sends your message to the list itself, and quite frankly, there's nothing that anyone can do to help you. Please follow the instructions for unsubscribing as they appeared in the welcome message you received when you first joined the list. If you no longer have this message, you can find the information on the web at . Or, if you're really desperate, email me privately and I'll remove you from the list myself. Just don't clutter the list with administrative requests -- you'll just end up frustrating the members of the list who have to read them, and you'll also end up a little frustrated yourself to find that you're still subscribed to the list. 3. Do not send HTML-encoded messages to the list. You may be unaware that you are doing this, as the message will look normal to you. However, not all mail readers can handle this type of mail (for example, those using Unix shells). These messages do bounce from the list for a reason, and once again, won't make it through until I have a chance to forward them myself after deleting the HTML content. If you are using any mail program built into a web browser (IE, Netscape, etc.), make sure your options are set for 'plain-text' only. 4. Please use common sense when posting. For example, if your signature file is longer than your message itself, please do not include it. Also, be responsible when quoting from previous digests. Include just enough so that people can see what you are responding to and can easily follow the thread, but do not quote excessively or unnecessarily. Whatever you do, DO NOT quote the entire previous digest -- common sense should dictate that no one really needs to read the entire previous digest again. These messages are always too long for the listserve to handle and will only bounce to me anyway, but if they were to go through, you can bet a lot of people would be annoyed by this needless cluttering of the list. I'm sorry if this comes off as being a little harsh -- I really hate playing the bad guy, but it seemed that a refresher on list etiquette was needed. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 23:24:00 +0000 From: "Jorge (George) Cooper" Subject: Liz and aliens Fellow Liz aliens, 1) Although I have tried, I have never had a friend become a Liz fan or even buy a Liz album. Therefore, I've never had a chance to really talk about Liz songs to anyone. I felt like an alien, walking the earth. All that changed last weekend, when fellow alien Steve came to Dallas. We had a great time waxing Lizical. And Steve is a walking Liz encycolpedia so it was fun just having conversations about songs. Steve is also chock full of TALES FROM THE LIST. Other adventures included the Kennedy museum, a cool bar in Fort Worth called the Flying Saucer, a biker bar we stumbled into complete with an awful metal band and meeting an artist who paints nude paintings of her friends who then hang them up in their living rooms. I think we had fun. This experience only makes Liz Phest more enticing. 2) Steve brought some tapes that had me glassy eyed. Highlights included Liz on the piano in NYC singing Canary and Chopsticks. I wish she'd write more piano-based songs because hers are beautiful. I also saw Spasm Girl on Sessions. Everybody rags on her but I'd ask her out just to have someone to talk to about Liz. Of course, I don't think I'd want to make her Mrs. Spasm girl. And I'd definitely make her wear a seat belt in the car. That guitar player is too wimpy for me. Liz sounded and looked good. Seeing her reminded me of that Spinal Tap song "How could I leave this behind?" I also love the video of Statford-On Guy because Liz makes me feel lusty with those sparkling blue eyes. On second thought, maybe I'll give Spasm Girl a call. 3) Nicole wrote something several days about not being as good in person. Nicole, I think we're all in that same boat. We're all better on paper. But that just shows you the beauty and magic inherent in words, even in today's culture. Besides, your humor and charm will come out at Liz Phest because you will be with people who like the same things. Steve and I were complete strangers but we became very comfortable with each other because of our common musical interests. 4) To Ruthie: My brother and I may be going to London in late July. If Liz is there this spring, kidnap her and hold her there for a private show upon our arrival. Is that too much too ask? Or how 'bout some suggestions on cool places to go after you get to know the place? Jorge in search of Spasm Girl ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #14 ***********************************