From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #13 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, January 14 1999 Volume 02 : Number 013 Today's Subjects: ----------------- please [MrE ] Questions he has many [Michael Connolly ] Hello from london! (finally!!!) [Ascending to the Stars ] Lizphest [Jennifer Cooper ] my new name [Msmrizing2@aol.com] RE: digest V2 #12 & Spirituality in '98 [AngelLieb@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V2 #12 [Dermich@aol.com] painfully new ["jacqueline vreatt" ] Re: Lizphest [baggytrousers@mindspring.com] You knew I couldn't stay away. [Nicole Weisberg ] briefly brief ["Cynthia Nagle" ] spasm girl/soundscan/gathering ["Robert Hart" ] Tra La La La.....OOPS! [AngelLieb@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:07:56 -0800 From: MrE Subject: please >>i hope i didn't just make an idiot out of >>myself by repeating ancient news. :) >>Jen ...OHMYGODNO! THE DREADED DEAD THREAD RETREAD, AND ITS GONNA BE A BIG ASS THREAD! DO NOT POST UNTIL YOU SEE THE WIDE OF HER THIGHS! RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY! just almost kidding, but i think i read something in passing about alanis... >>Sleater-Kinney -which ones are good >>rob ...they're both great, but the first is better than the second and the last is better than the previous both...but save your bucks for the new release in febuary. liz content. live from calcutta MrE - -- - ----------come on over and do the twist - -----------------------over do it and have a fit - -love you so much ya make me sick := Subject: Questions he has many >From: "Michael Worrell" >TCN even used the Juliana Hatfield/Tanya Donelly >cover of 'Josie and thePussycats' in an ad I saw at >least once or twice. Which is the only other song on that disc worth listening to, IMHO. >Incidentally, why don't Liz and MI work together more >often? Um, hate to break it to you sport, but Jim Ellison's a little busy pushing up daisies to be recording. While we're on this note, anybody got a tape of anything else LP and MI recorded together - studio demos and throwaways and such? Anybody ever HEAR of these existing? >From: Jennifer Cooper >Subject: Liz touring with Alanis > Williamsburg 2/7, Washington 2/9 The Ticketbastard site has LP/AM playing Richmond on the 7th, not William & Mary College (Williamsburg). My radio station contacts are in the dark about anything new on this. Anyone got some info? Which date is right? Sorry about the little yahoo thing at the bottom of this post. Price ya gotta pay for free e-mail. Mikey C (poster formerly known as conmic@mailhub...) An unfamous, but not that kind, of guy. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:34:09 -0500 (EST) From: Ascending to the Stars Subject: Hello from london! (finally!!!) howdy all you fabulous liz phans... its been a while, but i'm ba-ack!!! did you mis me? i know you did. anyways, this is ruthie from the far side (for most of you ) of the atlantic. i got here a little over a week ago, but i was only ale to access email starting a couple days ago. unfortuntaely, i had to delete a whoel bunch of digests, cause i just dont' have to time to sit in the cmputer room here a UCL and wade throught them. and since for some unknown reason they won't let me jack my laptop[ into their system, smoeone will just have to catch me up on anything importnat. hmm.. a couple things i remember wanting to write about... MrE.-- i tihnk at one point you said something abour "ruthie the damp"... i'm asumeing that is a london reference (it was actually supposed to be sunny today, but its raining :-p) and not some well.. i wont' go there ;-) hm.. lte's see.. i hope that my vcr worked and taped sessions... i should have my dad check it. i can't believe i have to ait 5 monts to see it!! but i guess i'll et over it if i get to liz in concert again. \ speaking of concerts, there are a bunch of good ones here.. unfortuntately m i just found mervury rev is completely and utterly sold out :( my new friend brian will be very disappointed. elliot smith and sebedoh.. i have to call the box office woman back... she said she was trying to find more tickets. in the beginning of february there is heather nova and madder rose. not that any of you are actually interesting in all this... i've been finding the liz cd i've been listening to a lot latel.y is actually secretly timid. i really like the girlyshounds stuff. .. can't get out of what i'm into and fuck or die are just so much fun. a new song i really .like is blood keeper, off ken's demos tapes. ithink the lyrics just really fit my state of mind, and described how i was feeling that this guy was geting off on trying to hurt me, (which he was, i think) i\ll give a more detailed explination when i am actually listening to the song. so, any new news on more non-alan-ass (borrowed frmo nicole, cause i just think its pretty cool) tour dates? when is the new sleater kinney due out? i may just have to order it, or have my 'rents pick it up for me. anyways, big hugs to the channel wcse folks (i can't find the damn pound sign on this silly british keyboard!) i miss chatting with you guys.. unfortunately , sicne i can't get online from my flat, i dotn' think i will be able to stop in at all while i am here, although i am looking into the possibility of subscribing to an isp. in any event, even if i could get in, we would prbably have to set up a time to meet, cause when you all are normally in there would be the middle of the night for me try not to miss me too much while i am gone. later folks! (:ruthie:) ps- oh, and i haven't met any cute british boys yet, although i did proposed to by an old welsh guywho kept telling me i was the most attractive woman (no joke) in the pub last night... oh, and brian (my little indie rock boy) is pretty cute pps-- my birthday is on saturday.. i'm in he last few days of my teenage years.... how scary! feel free to throw m e a liz-themed birthday party oh, and i would do a liz-camp.. but lets make it cnanada so i'll be legal.. i have a car.. i can drive from the nyc area... *******DECEIVE*******INVEIGLE*******OBFUSCATE******* "Mulder, I'd kiss you if you weren't so damn ugly" "Wild and unwise, I want to be mesmerizing too" "All the stars up in heaven were rushed by the angels to see the light of your face better" --Liz Phair "I'd like to say it was great while it lasted, but I won't lie" --Jen Trynin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:30:52 PST From: "robert joyner" Subject: mp3's one of my website visitors asked if there were any places on the web with liz mp3's. I'm not really in to the mp3 scene but i wondering if anyone on the list knew where some could be located. any help would be greatly appreciated. please e-mail me. if this has been posted before, sorry, but i missed it. robert joyner ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:28:13 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Cooper Subject: Lizphest I have to say Lizphest would be a very cool thing. sometime in the summer in Chicago would be the way to go I think. After all it is Liz's hometown and it is (roughly) in the middle of the country. I'm sure Liz phans could pull together and help each other out with carpooling and such things to ensure as many people as possible could make it. Or maybe it should be held on a special Liz-date, like her birthday or somehting (I have noidea when that is though) well just a few thoughts, Jen *********************************************** "I thought you were singing your heart out to me, but your lips were synching and now I see" +Sheryl Crow+ *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:06:50 EST From: Msmrizing2@aol.com Subject: my new name hey all- this is katiek126. i had to delete my old screen name due to an ex boyfriend who has decided to try to make my online life miserable. :( so here i am with my new screen name, new hair color and new piercing, trying to get over a stupid jerk (progress is not good) well, i just wanted to let you guys know that there isnt a new katie. this is the same old katiek126- just in the witness protection program. ha ha katie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:39:20 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: RE: digest V2 #12 & Spirituality in '98 <> Not to flame anyone here, but I like Jewel's song "Hands." I find myself liking her songs that are not on her albums. Also, must we have to compare so-and-so to so-and-so? That's one thing Craig and I talked about yesterday: reasons why we like the music we listen to. Usually, there's one talent that I find in an artist that I like about them that no other has. Like Jewel can yodel and I'm sure no one is gonna care about this part of my post, so I'm gonna shut-up. Um....I just noticed that there's a common trend in most of the cds that were released in 1998. Hmmmmm...most of them deal with spirituality or finding spirituality or finding a sense in oneself. Does anyone get what I'm trying to say? Examples: Jewel - Spirit Madonna - Ray of Light Bjork - Homogenic (I think there's something in there) Stevie Nicks - Enchanted (I think) Liz - WCSE and one I'm not gonna even mention the name, or else I'll be banned. Now excuse me while I try to find myself some spirituality. *WHOOOOOOOOOOSH* KaTiE ();) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:24:15 EST From: Dermich@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #12 Michael asked: >Incidentally, why don't Liz and MI work together more often? I've heard two >songs they've done, and 'Turning Japanese' & 'One Banana' are two pretty >damn good songs. There's probably a pretty good reason that's been said >before, but like...I missed it. Jim Ellison of Material Issue committed suicide in summer of 1996, so as far as I know, all bets are off for MI. Also, please e-mail me PRIVATELY if you want to do a Liz cover. I'm getting more and more submissions and inquiries, so it is getting somewhat close to being ready to go soon. As I said before, I'm waiting till I have 45-60 minutes' worth of material. Derek http://loveamongpuppets.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:44:49 PST From: "jacqueline vreatt" Subject: painfully new hi i've never posted to a list before but i keep seeing things floating around.... could it be true? would some kind golden soul be willing to tape me some girlysounds? i have nothing to trade but would be willing to pay all costs and send tapes.... have pity, please please jackie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:47:57 -0800 From: baggytrousers@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Lizphest From: Jennifer Cooper |ensure as many people as possible could make it. Or maybe it should be |held on a special Liz-date, like her birthday or somehting (I have noidea |when that is though) 17 april..same day as mine but 9 years earlier.... roberta ICQ # 27407066 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Rock'n'roll is the most brutal, ugly, vicious form of expression - sly, lewd, in fact plain dirty..a rancid-smelling aphrodisiac..the martial music of every delinquent on the face of the earth..." -Frank Sinatra 1957 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:50:22 -0500 (EST) From: Nicole Weisberg Subject: You knew I couldn't stay away. Hey peoples... it's me. Look! I can get my e-mail from my friend's room, but I feel rude so I'm going to keep it short. To guy who was askign why Liz doesn't do anything with Material Issue anymore (I imagine this has been answered already, but since I get this in digest form, I wouldn't know these things): Jim Ellison, the ?lead singer? of the band, well he was a member of the band, died from what one magazine called "Self-induced carbon monoxide inhalation" or something like that. I mean he definitely died that way,b ut I'm not sure how they phrased it. So, like, I was on this scary small airplane today, and I was listening to Ken's CD (no, ken doesn't have a cd, it's the cd he made me, the one most (all?) of you will get eventually, and I realized on the raw mix of wcse, there is no ONLY SON! DAMMIT! Well that just means that liz saved the best things for last. Hmmph. But then on the other CD, there is ONly Son, and instead of "Good bye, so long....." the chorus is just "Daddy daddy daddy daddy..." Ha! I'm spoiling it for all of you! I'm feeling un-Nicole like right now, so I'm goign to send this crappy post. But hey, at least you got a damned post. Bye. - -Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:41:50 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Washington Subject: Boston Shows I know this has been asked before (maybe even by me, I can't remember), but I never saw an answer, so here it is again. Does anyone know of, have a copy of, or whatever, a recording, any recording, or either or both of the 11/30/98 and 12/1/98 Boston concerts? You know, the ones where Liz sang covers? I really want to hear this, given that 'Allison' and 'I'm a Believer' are both great songs, plus the fact that it's Liz singing a song I've never heard Liz sing. By the way, I remember some talk about these being the first covers she had done live. That's sort of true, but if you were lucky enough to be at the Vic in Chicago on October 27, which was definitely the best concert I've ever been to (OK, so the list isn't that long) then you know that she played about a minute and a half of a slightly disorganized version of 'All Right Now'--the band just went into it while she was introducing 'Fuck and Run', and it was clear she hadn't been expecting it, so it was cool (though she stumbled on some lyrics). Just thought I'd add that. And to fan the flame of the subtle undercurrent that is the Scooby debate, Scrappy is too cute, and that's not an opinion, that's an empirical fact. Not that I'm at all suggesting that it wasn't very lame every time he said "Puppy Power" or "...and Scrappy Doo too!" Peter "To end this call, please hang up now." --Actually heard by yours truly earlier today on the Wells Fargo credit card activation line. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:42:44 -0500 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: briefly brief Hello Support System! "I do need a support system..." I've been really busy lately, so I'm just going to say one thing: Liz Phest will happen. In Chicago. July 9-10-11, 1999. I told you before, mark it on your calendars! Don't you ever listen? ;^) How do I know this? Because it was my idea. I've run large events before, so I know this is really a piece of cake. This time I don't have to work out a freakin' budget, and fly people in from across the country, and put them up in a hotel, and chauffeur them around...! Really, this Liz Phest doesn't have to be (and will not be) grandiose in its planning. Just Liz fans getting together in Chicago, with exact details to be worked out. With everyone responsible for their own transportation, accommodations, food, and miscellaneous expenses. I'll work on the details. You other people who said you'd like to work on it, e-mail me privately, and tell me how close to Chicago you live (I'm in upstate NY, so I'm not close). You Chicago people who offered information, thank you... and if you'd like to be a local point person (again, I'm NOT talking a lot of work here!), e-mail me privately too. As they say in the goal-setting sessions I've attended for work, when you write it down, you make it real. So write it down, folks. Cindy "Well look at me, I'm frightening my friends." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:48:24 PST From: "Robert Hart" Subject: spasm girl/soundscan/gathering OK, first, in response to spasm girl two days ago, Liz did receive a slight pan by Rolling Stone in their year end issue: "The older, maternal Liz Phair is not as immediately engaging, or as sexually aggressive, as the Liz who threw out the feminist-punk rule book out the window with her Susan sontag-and-Keith Richards on a blind date double album, EIG. But just as motherhood is an exercise in patience, this record - softer and smoother than Guyville - requires extra forbearance.... is prickly pop, impresive in its living-room serenade intimacy and the tight-focus impact of Liz's singing." Soundscan changed recently, so that they now count radio airtime in addition to single sales, so theoretically liz could get recognition, if a decent radio station I listen to would ever play them. I know that KROQ in Los Angeles has played "polyester bride" on occasion... This Liz fan-phest sounds great except it should be in seattle because seattle is such a great city......... chicago has great blues and great ribs and lovable losers and freezing winters.... I almost went to Northwestern but decided against it on account of the extreme temperatures..... USC and Los Angeles suited me better..... anyways, take care everyone.... peace, rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:19:10 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Tra La La La.....OOPS! Yikes! Past my bedtime and my Tamagotchi Queen is yelling and screaming at me to get off the damn puter cuz I said that I'd only update my pages on the weekends. Well I lied! ():P There's only more pictures on there and a new graphic on the main page. Oh yeah....it past the 1,000 mark! Thanks to everyone who visited! My page ain't even two months old! http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Birdland/9820/lizphair.html KaTiE ();) Please do check out the cartoon! I love it! ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #13 ***********************************