From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #12 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, January 13 1999 Volume 02 : Number 012 Today's Subjects: ----------------- My favorite lines. ["Alisha Heidbrink" ] that awards show - no liz content..well maybe a little [Isha Leigh ] List archives [Jason Long ] sheep go to heaven... ["Julia Rios" ] Feeling bounced ["Nicole W." ] so what? ["Nicole W." ] sweatshirt ["Jenny Sayler" ] Liz touring with Alanis [Jennifer Cooper ] whatever makes you happy/sleater-kinney ["Robert Hart" ] Grammys, Sessions [kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko)] Let's get started here! [AngelLieb@aol.com] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:38:48 EST From: "Alisha Heidbrink" Subject: My favorite lines. "It's harder to be friends then lovers and you shouldn't try and mix the two 'cause if you do it and you're still unhappy then you know that the problem is you" I am so glad that these were posted as very useful lyrics last digest. I use them all the time. Sometimes to remind myself when I am about to get into a sticky situation. I have also always like "I loved my life, and I hated you." The DIvorce Song is amazing and had, along with the rest of EIG, kept me occupied many times. I would sing them to myself while working my factory job in the summer. It's hard to keep yourself occupied for 8+ hours a day while doing monotonous work praying for school to start again. Liz Phair helped a lot. I must also send out another plea for any Liz recordings. I have nothing but what is available in the stores. I NEED more. It's like my drug or something. I think my roommates get fed up sometimes but I did have to listen to the Smith's Meat is Murder about two million times so they can't complain too much. and Liz is wonderful, they can't deny that either. But some variety would help. I would be so indebted to anyone who could get me copies. About all I can give in exchange though is maybe a free meal or pitcher when in Ann Arbor and postage/money. I don't have any rare recordings to trade of any sort. Well, that is all for me. I'm heading to the Detroit Auto show tomorrow. WOOHOO. Alisha ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 02:34:34 -0500 From: Isha Leigh Subject: that awards show - no liz content..well maybe a little I caught the very end of it because I was wondering what Clarissa and Brandy were doing on stage together and I read the little "disclaimer" about how the winners and nominees are chosen. From my interpretation it's all based on sales from SoundScan stores. So their disclaimer is telling us they take no responsibility for this year's choices and don't judge the quality of the music themselves. It explained a lot for me. obligatory alanis content - I saw the ape face on a Leno repeat a night ago. She said she has a twin brother and communicates with him telepathically. This makes sense. Maybe she only has one half of the brain. Real Liz content - I've been thinking about the "age" of albums and how wcse is more mature and how some of us who are emotionally attached might be growing with liz. When you guys say "have a spaceeggy day," it's looks like a fulfilling, reflective, happy, productive, sweetness of life kind of day to me. I tend to have have more girlysoundy days, unfortunately. My goal is to skip EIG and move right on to whip-smart. Is anyone else stuck in the era of an album? Maybe if I keep listening to newer liz I can mature. Maybe if I use it during REM sleep. I promise I'll bring chocolate flavor twizzlers if I come to Lizphest. lengthy..I know, but I must share. The jerk I love (hi sweetie) told me his wise love advice he gave to a friend. "you have to start with beasts and then move up to the pretty girls and the ones with high expectations. You're never going to marry a nice jewish girl because they don't go out with guys like us: poor." Isn't he sweet? What the hell does that make me? Anyway, you don't have to have looks to succeed in the music world, but they help quite a bit. I'm a psych major and in just about everything we learn they tell us that attractive people get the halo effect and are always "rated higher" when those research people do studies. the world is an awful place and I want to move out. - ---melissa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 03:06:20 -0500 From: "Michael Worrell" Subject: Re: Saturday Morning Was: This list does indeed rock >Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:09:30 -0500 >From: Mike Marlatt >Subject: This list does indeed rock >Scooby DOO!!!! I can't believe were talking about this!!!! It's >AWESOME!!! I was watching the "Wacky Racers" (Dasterdly and Mutley >rock!) last night and I felt myself longing for some old Saturday >Morning cartoons and the list comes through yet again! Did any one else >out there have a crush on a BUGALOO!!!!! (I did, the little brunette!!!) >Are they any stations out there playing any old Hanna Barbera adventure >our stuff? Those cartoons must have been amazing because I was only 6 in >1980 and I still remember the characters. If I may, let me interject and urge anybody and everybody who gives a damn to run out and get "Saturday Morning: Cartoons' Greatest Hits". Material Issue and some girl from Chicago cover The Banana Splits theme song, and like...a bunch of other stuff that I remember. If you're lucky enough to get The Cartoon Network, they re-run the Bugaloos and The Banana Splits, plus most of the Hanna-Barbera productions at odd hours of the night. TCN even used the Juliana Hatfield/Tanya Donelly cover of 'Josie and the Pussycats' in an ad I saw at least once or twice. Incidentally, why don't Liz and MI work together more often? I've heard two songs they've done, and 'Turning Japanese' & 'One Banana' are two pretty damn good songs. There's probably a pretty good reason that's been said before, but like...I missed it. Oh well.... Tra la la la la la la! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:37:58 -0800 From: MrE Subject: doon no >>As for grunge, doesn't the Metallica Garage >>tapes (not to be confused with Joe's Garage, >>Parts I - III) count this year? >>Mike Connolly ...uh, no >>So, please tell me why Stratford-On-Guy is >>my favorite Liz Phair song. Just what is it about >>that song that is so >>powerful? >>Jeff :-) ...and for five dollars, i can also predict your future. >> I probably won't post wed or thurs, >>cuz i'll be out of town. Although... there are >>always ways. but don't depend on it. >>still, ??Nicole ...THE HELL YOU ARE! liz phair content MrE the fn tired dog of l.a. - -- * :-- come on over and do the twist-overdo it and have a fit >-- * love you so much ya make me sick-come on over and shoot the shit ```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````` ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:11:01 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: List archives At 03:04 PM 1/5/99 +0100, Moe wrote: >Jase I didn't get digest v2 #3. Isn't there an archive somewhere on the web? >I went to the 6ft1 page but I didn't find anything. Thanks. The digests are archived on the web at the following URL: I've been meaning to update the information on the mailing list site for a while now, but I just never seem to get around to it. I'll likely do a bit of updating next weekend, since I'll probably have a bit of time to do so then. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:31:10 GMT From: "Julia Rios" Subject: sheep go to heaven... hey everyone. i don't normally post about random crap and i don't normally tell stories like "my most horrid valentine's day experience" but this one i think is horrid enough that i will share. i was sixteen and it was raining and i had no boyfriend (or girlfriend) and i was supposed to take my driving test for my license. so i went to the dmv with my mother and the evil test giving hag jumped into the passenger seat and began to direct me. i was doing perfectly fine and then she said, "okay back up in a straight line" and i started to do so before i realised that there was a big truck about to turn left out of a driveway just behind us. so i stopped. she said, "i told you to back up in a straight line" i said "now?" she said "now" i very timidly said, "into that truck?" she got pissed. "no" she said, "of course not. wait until the truck is gone" so i did and we finished the test and everything went smoothly, except that when we got back to the dmv she said i had failed. when i asked why she said i had turned left much too closely in front of a another car and that we were nearly killed. now the thing is that this didn't happen, but when you have a dmv hag woman's word and a test taker's who wins? the hag obviously. so i was naturally quite upset (and having already had a not so happy valentine's day, my upset was a bit magnified). the dmv woman noticed that i was upset and snapped "what's wrong?!" i said that nothing was wrong and she kept prodding me until finaly (mostly i think at this point because she was scaring me) i began to cry (against my will, but what can you do? sometimes these things just happen) and the dmv woman says (no jke this is a TRUE story) "oh honey. it's okay, are you worried because your parents will be mad at you? do they hit you? oh i'm sorry. i know how it is. when i was younger my father used to beat me and beat me..." i started just shaking my head and saying no while i was sobbing. it was a rather traumatic experience. the woman went on to say "he would just make me black and blue and i would wear long sleeves all the time like you. i understand. it's okay. your parents sholdn't hit you." i kept protesting that my parents didn't hit me, but the woman didn't believe me. we ended up in a special dmv conference room with my mom where the woman told her she should not blame me for failing the test and that she should not physically abuse me. it was pretty horid especially when you consider that all the people in line were staring at us through the glass windows and i was all red and puffy from crying. i didn't take the driving test again until i was eighteen when i HAD to and then i passed with no problems... although i did go to a different dmv. but enough of that stuff. i hear that liz and alanis are coming to cincinnatti the sixteenth of february and i think i just might be there. yes i hate the jewel hands song. i have an old recording of jewel singing a song called "god's gift to women" i had a friend who said it sounded like "liz phair with nirvana". i could kind of see that, except jewel can't pull off coolness like liz. i mean when she tries the shock effect "i was just thinking it would be really cool if i got hit upside the head with a manly tool... that way he would have nothing left to say and have his way with me all day" it just sounds silly. i prefer the lyrics to flower, which i would say is the most direct comaprison to this jewel song. in the jewel one she goes so far as to say "would you like to grab my thighs? yes i have a pair of nice tits. they are the perfect grab me size" which to me smacks of liz and "your lips a perfect suck me size..." but the liz lyric sounds better. and plus jewel could never come up with anything as ingenious as "you're probably shy and introspective --that's not part of my objective" that is by far my favorite line in flower. but enough ranting. if you are wondering about the subject title for this post it is because my roommate is a Cake fiend and they have a song which i assume is named the same as my subject which goes on to state that "goats go to hell" i have it running through my head because i go to hear the cd on repeat for nine hours yesterday. it made me a bit crazy which is the excuse i will use for posting a long silly rambling post. Julia :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:14:09 -0500 From: "Nicole W." Subject: Feeling bounced Okay... if you are one of those people who actually reads my posts (I'll get into the evidence that people do not in a second), you will notice that one of my posts yesterday got bounced, I don't know why. Anyway, you must read that one FIRST in order for some of the comments in the next two to make sense. The bounced message is the last message on digest #11. Why was I bounced? It hurts my head... i mean... you could have at least bounced me on a TRAMPOLINE! >RE: VELMA. I DEEPLY apologize for mis-remembering the name, but you need to >RELAX. I probably have not watched Scooby in like 18 years or something so >please cut me a little slack. Trying to relax. NOT WORKING. KEEP DREAMING OF TWIZZLERS AND SPACEEGGS AND FOX MULDER AND ME... umm... well I can't tell you that dream. And who is this naked chick who haunts me, walking around going "thank u, nicole" and asking me to like, ride the subway naked with her? how do I know people don't read my post? Let me quote something for you: Umm... nevermind. See... i thought I posted about that spastic girl on sessions, but apparently I never did. nevermind. Hmm. maybe I should have that checked out. Anywho. . . ALL vacation, I've really only listened to Liz. Is this a sickness? Nah. I just do NOT want to become burnt out. I'm alwasy afraid of that. I mean i guess if it was goig to happen, maybe it would have a long time ago, but maybe not. Maybe there's this threshold that takes a while to reach, but maybe i'm close to reaching it??? HELP! Well that's all for... now. I'm drag racing... - -Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:23:54 -0500 From: "Nicole W." Subject: so what? Sorry... I know my last post was only like 10 min ago, but you'd be surprised at what can happen in the meantime. a) the counter disappeared off my website. b) this mini-poll I had about only son v. baby got going disappeared too. FUCK! Oh and I had a clever and witty way to sign off my next post, and i've forgotten it. TROUBLE TROUBLE TROUBLE HERE! - -grrr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:02:47 -0600 From: "Jenny Sayler" Subject: sweatshirt Somebody from Canada named Chad mailed me a sweatshirt. THere was no note inside and I have no idea what this is in realation to. The only thing that I can think is that it had something to do with tapes I made. I dunno, I like this shirt and I would like to say thanks, so Chad, if you are out there, email me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I'll have just one more cigarette before I get myself to bed" - Jen Trynin- http://www.liz-phair.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:23:20 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Cooper Subject: Liz touring with Alanis I don't know if this is old news or not, I just got back on the list today but I was reading the new ROlling STone issue and it mentioned that Alanis Morrisette is going to be touring soon and Liz is opening for her on her first eight shows which are supposedly New Orleans 1/30, Atlanta 2/1, Birmingham 2/4, Chapel Hill 2/6, Williamsburg 2/7, Washington 2/9, Pittsburgh 2/10, Philadelphia 2/13. i hope i didn't just make an idiot out of myself by repeating ancient news. :) also I am very bewildered as to why Liz was not nominated for any Grammy awards. I love Sheryl Crow but her new album is not any better than Liz's is. Her last album defintely deserved the awards it got but i think the new album is weaker. I did read a couple of reviews of Liz's album that were not favorable but i also saw some for Sheryl's that were not favorable so i just don't know how that all works. It's a mystery I guess. The Grammy's are also unfortunately still influenced by record sales, even though there are plenty of other lame awards already dedicated to best sellers like the American Music Awards and the BIllboard Awards. I watched about 5 minutes of the American Music Awards before feeling as though I was going to be sick last night. :) Plus the Grammy people tend to have fovorites and Sheryl is a favorite and Liz is not, probably b/c the stuffy voters were turned off by Guyville's language and subject matter wheras Sheryl's first impression on them was more mainstream and "clean" I guess. well anyway that really is too bad that Liz was not recognized at all. later, Jen *********************************************** "I thought you were singing your heart out to me, but your lips were synching and now I see" +Sheryl Crow+ *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:54:43 PST From: "Robert Hart" Subject: whatever makes you happy/sleater-kinney OK, I have been off the list for the last few months because I recently moved, to Seattle, it is so beautiful up here, any liz fans up this way? I was driving up I-5 recently thrilled because my fiancee was arriving that day and I hadn't seen her in a month. I was listening to WCSE , Whatever Makes You Happy, and one of the lines really hit me strong. It was clear and sunny, the first day in a while that rain had forgiven the northwest, and I looked up at the sky basking across Mt hood and Liz sang: "I feel the sun on my back I smell the earth in my skin I see the sky above me like a full recovery" and I was reminded of those times when new love had rescued me from the mirth of depression, and time seemed to smooth out and the sky was clear and my senses were renewed so that I took in every scent and sight and sound like it was my first, for those first few minutes of euphoria. Once when an old girlfriend and I fought through some problems, and everything seemed right, I was walking down Figueroa Blvd in Los Angeles, staring at the skyline, irridescent like a priceless jewel, and listening to "Electrolite" by REM, and although the song has nothing to do with relationships, I had one of those moments you always remember, that attaches itself to your memory so that whenever you are in a rut or having a particularly rough conversation at work, you can pull that moment up and play it over again. OK, I read about some Sleater-Kinney fans here, and I had a question - I bought the last album and loved it, and I heard their previous efforts were great - which ones are good, I'm kinda broke and trying to save money but as always my music interests clash with all those fiscal responsibilities..... In any rate I wish you all a happy 1999..... peace, rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:24:10 PST From: "michael webster" Subject: looking for girlysound demos Hi All This is my first post on the board, however i've have been a member for a while and have been reading your posts whenever time permits. Sorry i have not posted earlier, but i don't know how to compose a post. pretty pathetic huh. i'm not even sure i'm doing this right. Anyway, i'm looking for a copy of the girlysound demos. It's pretty exciting to think there is more of liz's music out there that i haven't even heard yet. If you can help me then please e-mail me, or post an address where i could contact you. It would be very much appreciated. Also, on the topic of Liz-Camp, or whatever the hell your gonna call it, i think it is a great idea. It would be great to get together with a bunch of people who have heard of liz Phair, let alone are as big of fans as i am. Any chance of having it in Bumfuck, Maryland. Just asking. Hopefully now that i've cracked the complex enigma of creating a post that has left me befuddled for so long, i will try to post more frequently. Mike ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:06:52 EST From: Tokeepme@aol.com Subject: spinin liz 'round 'round 'round like a cd << Oh yeah....anyone ever thought of putting Phairities on cd? I know it exceeds the 74 minute limit.......but I'm addicted to this tape! *yelp!* Boy oh boy...I guess you can call me a cd freak. >> i put phairities on cd. i only had to cut like a couple songs, i just cut tralala and comboplatter i think and added the erecting a movie star song cuz i wanted that on cd too. i also spent time fitting her other recordings on to cds. i hate when i have to cut stuff. ~aly. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:53:22 -0800 (PST) From: Suzanne Walsh Subject: Sessions tape All right, I've heard lots of people griping about not taping/seeing/whatever the Sessions at west 54th - so I'm willing to make copies if people want to trade, send a blank tape/postage, or something else, email me. i've got the whole show and I'll hook ya up! == *Suzanne*Suzanne*Suzanne*Suzanne*Suzanne*Suzanne* =================================================== "Father, you seem like a religious man." -Steve Martin (The Jerk) "Wild and unwise, I wanna be mesmerizing, too." -Liz Phair _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:43:32 -0500 (EST) From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko) Subject: Grammys, Sessions Greetings - Those of you wondering if LizPhest will happen, I have a question: How many people does it take to have a LizPhest? 700? (there won't be 700). 100? (eh, probably not). 50? 3? It *can* happen, and it *will.* I'll be there. It's entirely possible. This is Chicago I'm talking about, by the way, not Florida or some odd pseudo-LizPhest in some godforsaken state. I went to Dallas over the weekend & met Jorge, easily one of the coolest Liz-listers (and people in general) I've ever met (and there have been a lot, as you may know) & I had an amazing time seeing the sights and eating & drinking the best pizza & beer of my life. So there you go: it *is* possible. You just gotta have a) money for plane ticket; b) a car or friends w/ a car; or c) li'l bit o' $ and a *lot* of patience if you're taking the bus. re: Liz *was* nominated for an MTV award for Best Female Video, "Supernova" NO, she was NOT. MTV had a pre-Grammy show (which I recorded) and all they did was show clips of videos from the people who were nominated in various categories. Although when "Don't Have Time" was nominated the year after "Supernova" (same category, Female Rock Vocal Perf.) they played a clip of "Supernova" over an audio snippet of "Don't Have Time." For those who didn't know, when Liz lost in 1995 (when she was nom'd for "Supernova") the winner was Melissa Etheridge. Sheryl Crow was the Best New Artist -- Liz was presenting that award with Adam Sandler when Sheryl Crow won. That ends the confusion, I hope. re: Sheryl Crow not Grammy material -- Yes, she is. In case it's not obvious, the Grammy people don't really give the cutting edge artists such as Liz a chance -- Sheryl Crow's new record is damn good and it *is* Grammy material. She ain't cutting edge. (Liz still is.) There are exceptions to this generalization (none of which I can think of right now), but for the most part, the Grammy assocation rewards artists for sales &/or longevity, and little else. re: Sessions, spastic girl, edited 6'1" I didn't catch that no-rhythm chick the first 6 or so times I watched, I never knew which one you were all talking about, but when (I believe) John Kim complained about 6'1" being cut and I had to check to make sure it wasn't (and it ISN'T - at least *my* PBS affiliate didn't cut it - it's all there, "cold & rough" x2), I finally saw this girl. One thought: wouldn't it be sad if this person was actually on the list, reading all this bashing of her spasticness/rhythmlessness? She *is* funny to watch, though. One last thing before I end this way-too-long post: 6'1" doesn't *sound* as "rock" as it once did. It *looks* like rock, but there seems to be some confusion on either the part of the soundperson / Liz / bandmembers... "They" seem to think that everyone is interested in hearing a keyboard or a guitar that isn't being played by Liz above everything else. It wasn't *quite* as bad on Sessions (check out "Polyester Bride" for example - Liz's guitar is wayyy up front in the mix) when compared to, say, the Boston 10/6/98 broadcast, where Liz's guitar is the *last* thing you can hear. The new bandmembers are nice people, but Brad, Leroy, Casey -- I miss you. Sorry this was so long. 5 missing days yield a lot of email to sort through. But I wouldn't trade in my trip to Dallas for nothin'. ...Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:04:11 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Let's get started here! Ohki peeps! Are really gonna do this Lizfest or no?! I just spent the day giving Craig (the KingAdRock guy) a tour of Orlando it was really nice to be talking to another Liz phan. Of course, we kept saying that it would be nice if we did get the whole list together and camp out and what nots. Sooooooooo......do I have to don my stupid ol' cheerleading outfit and pump everyone up or no? RAH! RAH! RAH! LET'S GO THE LIZFEST! RAH! RAH! RAH! Arrrg! Me must put down my stupid ol' smelly poms poms. Anyways......I was at a store and saw that they have EIG and WS on vinyl. All's cool, but I had trouble buying the stuff I wanted cuz the store wouldn't accept personal checks. Well, I put on my little angelic face and they accepted mine. Go me! ();) Let's bring out the G's and rock on! KaTiE ();) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:49:12 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "Bryan Moore" Subject: info-Johnny Feelgood for stacy The names Bryan Hey folks, I am a new Liz Phair fan (fanatic??). I recently bought EIG and the very next day I bought WCSE and neither has left my cd changer since. Whats the deal w/ Whip-Smart? I hear differing opinions, but I'm sure I will love it. Personally, I think that WCSE is better then EIG on many levels such as songwriting, production, overall sound. But you gotta love the balls (for lack of a better word) that EIG has. For Stacy, I read on a Liz page that the single Johnny Feelgood is set to be released to radio this week. However, I also read that much like Polyester Bride, the single is not going to be released commercially. What this means is basically this. ---- the song is a single and will be promoted on radio, but the song is not entered into billboard's charting system. The bottom line is, we will probably not be hearing very much of it on the radio. We must all do our best to email, phone, harass our local stations and request the tune !!!! I do not know why Liz's record company is not doing a better job of pushing the album. The way I see it WCSE has at least 4 singles, Big Tall Man, Polyester, Johnny and Happy. In my opinion, What Makes You Happy is the strongest tune (commercially anyways) and it smokes all that other crap out there now. By crap, I mean alanis (thankyou), sheryl (mistake). Actually, I dont mind either of those chicks, but it pains me to live in a world where a tune like WMYH goes un-noticed when it is an amazing tune. Luvtoall bry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 00:56:47 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: "keelyfish" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #11 Add me to the big fat list of people who want to trade for a copy of Sessions : ) I'm a poor college student who can't afford cable right now, and my apartment is wedged between two buildings, so I can't even get local : ( I have juliana stuff, fuck and run, girlysounds, a liz video, blah blah blah, and i'd be willing to send tapes and return postage if you don't want anything i have......pleeeeeeeeeeease : ) keely ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #12 ***********************************