From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #10 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, January 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 010 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: support-system-digest V2 #9 [steve ] Supernova nomination [Buggirl922@aol.com] The oh...poetic me [AngelLieb@aol.com] Sessions, Completely By Accident [Meredith Robbins ] love stories ["Jenny Sayler" ] grammys ["Jenny Sayler" ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #9 ["M.L. Magdalene" ] Liz and awards [Emerald314@aol.com] Re: Liz and awards [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Scooby Snacks... [PhishenGal@aol.com] This list does indeed rock [Mike Marlatt ] one more thing [Mike Marlatt ] Re: This list does indeed rock [Jason Long ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:15:33 -0500 (EST) From: steve Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #9 heya someone asked if liz was nominated for any awards...she did get a grammy nomination in 95 or 96...i think it was the same one where alanis one all the awards. i think it was best female rock vocal. i'm not positive, but i think it was for "dont have time". i do remember that she was at the ceremony and she looked soooo happy. steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:40:43 EST From: Buggirl922@aol.com Subject: Supernova nomination In a message dated 1/10/99 1:18:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-support- system-digest@smoe.org writes: << Does any one know if Liz has ever been nominated for any of music awards? >> yes, she was nominated for something (i can't remember what category) for "supernova." go liz. she didn't win the grammy. she probably lost to celiene dion or mariah carey or some other mainstream, low-talent "musician." - --a ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:40:39 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: The oh...poetic me Yikes! I noticed that my first post on the last digest sounded kinda poetic. Hmmm..more poetic thoughts on that anyways. Beauty is all in your head. Hmmmm...I dunno if anyone gets that. For some reason, I can see something beautiful in everything I see, even it's considered ugly to everyone else. Hmmmm.."I see you in everythiiiiiiiiiing" ();) Anyways, just curious. Does anyone who has a cd burner like Jewel? I have two cds I'd like to make a copy for a friend and would like for her to have a cd copy instead of tapes. I'll provide blank cds and return postage. Thanks! Oh yeah....anyone ever thought of putting Phairities on cd? I know it exceeds the 74 minute limit.......but I'm addicted to this tape! *yelp!* Boy oh boy...I guess you can call me a cd freak. KaTiE ();) "dreams unwind, love's a state of mind," Stevie Nicks. Scooby scooby do...where are you? (): ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 99 11:23:30 -0500 From: Meredith Robbins Subject: Sessions, Completely By Accident So I checked my local listings yesterday (Saturday) afternoon and observed that Liz's Sessions at W. 54th was scheduled for, and I quote, "June 09 2:00 a.m." Curses, I thought, foiled again. Because 2 am on June the 9th would be Saturday morning, right? And it was already Saturday afternoon. So then I had a bit of a sleeplessness problem last night; 2 o'clock *Sunday* morning rolled around. What the hell, I thought, let's see if Sessions is on. So I turn on the TV, and lo and behold, it *is*! It's lucky for me that my local PBS affiliate doesn't understand the concept of am/pm, morning/night, Saturday/Sunday. I made sure to keep a sharp eye out for Spastic Girl and found she wasn't hard to miss. Good Lord, what was she doing? I have a terrible sense of rhythm, but I know enough to sit still, tap my foot at the most. She appeared to be having, to shamelessly steal from Seinfeld, "a full-body dry heave." She did calm down for "What Makes You Happy," I think; in fact, I thought she looked rather glum, all slumped down in her seat. Perhaps someone chastened her? That's kind of sad, but sheesh, she might as well have been humming along loudly and off-key. I loved Liz's outfit; the shiny pants were maybe a tiny bit too Jagger-esque (Mick, not the "General Hospital" character), but the colors suited her very well. Liz is a snappy little dresser--was the outfit Agnes B.? It certainly looked like it, and I know Liz has worn her in the past. Um, um, what else. I concur with everyone who said she needed to playing guitar, not just singing on "Mesmerizing." The poor thing looked like she didn't know what to do with herself; at least in "What Makes You Happy," she was occupied with all that cutting loose. Oh, and to concur on another point that was brought up, Liz *does* sound better with a male backup vocalist. Actually, I thought the female backup vocalist sounded just awful; she was singing the same vocal part as Liz, just louder and more strident, which does not a good backup make. Perhaps she was miked too high? I don't know, though, it still doesn't seem to right to back up an alto (?) with an alto(?). I thought (a softer) tenor(?) accompaniment, on the other hand, sounded terrific. Okay, wow, I've said a lot. Meredith +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ "As Shakespeare says, if you're going to do a thing you might as well just pop right at it and get it over." --Bertie Wooster, in P.G. Wodehouse's "Very Good, Jeeves!" eclectricity Exile in Netville ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 08:34:39 PST From: "*Adrienne* Gross" Subject: weirdness...kind of Last night, I was at my boyfriend's house and I decided to put on Exile In Guyville. Well, after a while we were just laying there in bed and "Shatter" came on. Now, for some reason this song has always evoked something in me; like a foreshadowing that this song would end up holding some *real* sentimental value for me. We were just laying there, listening to that song and it just kind of summed everything up in one neat little package. It was one of the neatest experiences of my life. That leads me to a question for everybody: Have you ever had an experience where a Liz song came on and just kind of summed everything up??? Oh and another thing...when "shatter" ended and "flower" came on, I just had to laugh. It made me think a little about the lay out of the album and real life. Just think about it. :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:47:34 -0600 From: "Jenny Sayler" Subject: love stories Darrin wrote: "Thanks in advance; I'm especially looking forward to stories from MrE, Nicole W., Jennifer S., Jase (you ARE a god!), and at least a couple of the Katies" Sadly, I have no Valentines stories, good or bad. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I'll have just one more cigarette before I get myself to bed" - Jen Trynin- http://www.liz-phair.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:47:24 -0600 From: "Jenny Sayler" Subject: grammys "Does any one know if Liz has ever been nominated for any of music awards? Like Grammy, AMA, Billboard, MTV, etc.? Do you know for what song(s)? I read an interview where Liz mentions how much fun she had at the Grammy's, but was she there 'cause she was nominated?" Liz was nominated for a grammy for the song "Dont have time" from the HIgher Learning Soundtrack ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I'll have just one more cigarette before I get myself to bed" - Jen Trynin- http://www.liz-phair.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:29:46 PST From: "M.L. Magdalene" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #9 > Anyway... more threads... it is my personal opinion that you can be the >ugliest damned fuck in the world,b ut if you're a rock star, people will >think you're hot. Isn't that the complete truth. I mean look at Marilyn Manson. If you look at pics of him before he was so big...ick...and even in the earlier days before the make-up...it was still horrible. But still i know several woman who think he is horrible sexy now. Even with those awful glasses. So i just always thought that the reason that people find rock stars beautiful is not only because of the glamour they think that they are living out, but because i think part of the reason theses people get thier big breaks is because they have a persona and ora that draws people to them. Like PJ, who i never really thought of as ugly...i just thought she looked like a guy...but who cares..you know, she is a killer artist. And to add to the scooby thing .....trip addicts....scooby and shaggy were trip addicts which would obviously explaine the images of ghosts...which would constitute a bad trip and make them freak out...for a time being..never lasting long since they knew what they where doing. As for Velma, Daphne and Fred, they were coke heads...they were always up to the job you know? Of course maybe they spent a lot of time rolling E considering how much time it seems they spent screwing around.... Anyway. "My thighs have been involved in many accidents and now i can't get insured and i don't need to be lured by you my cunt is built like a wound that won't heal and now you don't have to ask cause you know how i feel" - -Ani DiFranco' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:31:08 -0600 From: "Jenny Sayler" Subject: matador board Somebody posted the address for the matador posting board, but I lost it, I would appreciate it if someone could post that again! Thanks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I'll have just one more cigarette before I get myself to bed" - Jen Trynin- http://www.liz-phair.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:53:00 EST From: Emerald314@aol.com Subject: Liz and awards I remember Liz being nominated for some sort of MTV award a couple years ago; it was for "Don't Have Time." I remember it really well because I had never heard the song and I freaked when I saw the little clip of it that they played. Had to rush out and buy the Higher Learning soundtrack! ~Emily ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:35:39 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: Liz and awards At 07:53 PM 1/10/99 EST, Emily wrote: >I remember Liz being nominated for some sort of MTV award a couple years ago; >it was for "Don't Have Time." I remember it really well because I had never >heard the song and I freaked when I saw the little clip of it that they >played. Had to rush out and buy the Higher Learning soundtrack! Actually, it was nominated for a Grammy, not an MTV Award. It was nominated in the Female Rock Vocal Performance category at the awards held in February 1996. I also remember that PJ Harvey's "Down By The Water" was nominated. Unfortunately, this was the year when Alanis won everything, including this category. First Alanis beats Liz for the Grammy she deserved, now Liz has to open for her? Talk about adding insult to injury. Ugh. Liz had also been nominated in the same category the previous year, for "Supernova." Again, she didn't win, but I can't seem to recall who did at the moment. Was it Sheryl Crow? Does anyone remember? I still find it hard to believe that Liz didn't get nominated for one single award this year. Not that the awards really mean anything ultimately (I mean, look at some of the past winners -- Milli Vanilli?), but it's always nice to see Liz get a bit of recognition, wherever it may come. The nominations this year in the Female Rock Vocal Performance category are a bit of a joke to me -- I have nothing against Sarah McLachlan or Ani DiFranco and I'm certainly not knocking them, but neither of them are really "rock" to me. I guess what constitutes "rock" and what doesn't is objective and varies from person to person, but I think that those artists' roots are in other genres, more in the pop and folk spectrum. I really don't intend to sound like someone who equates "rock" solely with "rocking out," but I suppose I do, to one extent or another. But anyway... Jase ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 20:46:23 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #9 Nicole wrote: << >Thelma is the intelligensia of sorts. < Subject: Bounced message From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #9 Nicole wrote: << >Thelma is the intelligensia of sorts. < Subject: This list does indeed rock When I think back to the spirit of this list a couple of months ago to how it is now is just plain great! The topics have gotten better, I think we've all been discovering new artists along the way (one of my favorite parts, although the first 3 tracks on the "Loud Family" CD have not inclined me to listen to the next 15, Jase!) and I can see it only getting better as our kind of music is leaving the mainstream even more. What I'm referring to is how these corporate mega-mergers are squeezing out a lot of the artist that actually have talent but don't appeal to the masses (or the accountants). There was actually a pretty wicked article about this in Rolling Stone (the Beastie Boy one) about how these fucking MBA types (note that this is coming from a Arts grad turned Stock Broker for a Big Canadian bank) have turned mainstream labels into "first-week" sales machines. These execs have no passion for music and they have sucked most of the creativity away from widely available music. I don't think any of these people realize that the best part of listening to music is when you get that little tingly feeling during a line or riff or some creshendo (phonetic spelling!) in song. The most pathetic part is how they create a star and the masses flock to them. The R&B/rap/hip-hop scene does so blatantly when they find a hit with some crap like Brandy and now that she's a star they pair her up with another cute gal in a duo (Monica) and the next thing you know, Monica's solo album comes out and it's a hit based on one overly played song. Puff Daddy and Mase and Usher another example of this. Anyway off my rant I'm going to hit on a couple of other things Scooby DOO!!!! I can't believe were talking about this!!!! It's AWESOME!!! I was watching the "Wacky Racers" (Dasterdly and Mutley rock!) last night and I felt myself longing for some old Saturday Morning cartoons and the list comes through yet again! Did any one else out there have a crush on a BUGALOO!!!!! (I did, the little brunette!!!) Are they any stations out there playing any old Hanna Barbera adventure our stuff? Those cartoons must have been amazing because I was only 6 in 1980 and I still remember the characters. Saw Liz on Sessions last night (a week late- sorry to those waiting another 7). I thought it was great and I was really impressed with her vocals. They were so much stronger than they are on the Minneapolis bootleg. And I did notice that the spasming girl in the back stopped moving during the last song. I don't see how people expected it too be a big party in there? It was 3 o'clock in the afternoon and I doubt many people had a chance to liquor or smoke up!!!! It was more like going to the symphony, it's not like you expect the lead violinist to jump up a go crazy like Boyd Tinsely (of the DMB who is one of the greatest performers in music by the way!). I was really happy with it and even had a couple of those "tingly" moments! To Brian who was talking about J.H.'s Bed: I know that it was recorded in a week and meant to be raw and all that stuff but I really think they could have done the music a little more justice. I've seen Juliana live 5 times in the last 5 years and the most recent one was one of my favorite shows even though she played very few of my favorites. It was awesome because the new stuff sounded so great and now I'm let down every time I listen to the album. They really seem to have forgotten to plug a mic into her guitar. If they wanted it raw they should have just taped one of her shows. It sounded ten times better, and she only had one take on each song! Long post but so what! Mike "Sometimes it takes a Jimi-Thing to keep me Swingin''" Marlatt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:19:17 -0500 From: Mike Marlatt Subject: one more thing Oh and one more tid-bit for the fellow Canooks out there on the list. Here's a flashback (especially for those on the West Coast). Spirit of the West played a show at the UBC Sub Ballroom on Friday night! I could not resist the temptation to re-live my first couple of years of university (I think it's been 5 years since the last time I saw them) Bouncing away to Home for a Rest and "D" for Democracy. They must have played for 2 and half hours and they stuck to their old stuff playing everything I was hoping for. It was a great little evening. For the Americans (and beyond), Spirit of the West is a Vancouver-based Keltic-rock band(maybe not the best words to classify them) that use to be the headliner for a lot of shows that the Barenaked Ladies would come to town for 6 or 7 years back (at least out west). "Go Figure" and "Save this House" are great albums for anyone who loves music influenced by rain, politics, alcohol, and Scottish parents (that probably describes them a little better). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:36:12 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: This list does indeed rock At 10:09 PM 1/10/99 -0500, Mike Marlatt wrote: >When I think back to the spirit of this list a couple of months ago to >how it is now is just plain great! The topics have gotten better, I >think we've all been discovering new artists along the way (one of my >favorite parts, although the first 3 tracks on the "Loud Family" CD have >not inclined me to listen to the next 15, Jase!) and I can see it only >getting better as our kind of music is leaving the mainstream even more. Ouch! :) I guess the Loud Family may be a bit of an acquired taste for some (although I loved them immediately), but don't give up on them just yet. Seriously, if you play the album a few times, I'm sure it will grow on you -- there are some great songs on there, and you can see how _Plants and Birds and Rocks and Things_ was an influence on Aimee Mann's superb _I'm With Stupid_. If it turns out you really don't like the CD, let me know; I'd be more than willing to buy the CD from you or trade some Liz shows for it. I have a friend who I know will love the CD, but seeing how I had such a hard time finding my copy of it, I don't count on finding another too easily. Since buying the Loud Family CD a week ago, I've been spending some time checking out their official website . On one section of the site, you can find lists that Scott Miller, the frontman of the band, put together of his favorite albums from each year. For 1993, _Exile in Guyville_ was his top choice; for '94, _Whip-Smart_ was #3 on his list. I just thought that was cool to see; it's one thing to read favorable comments from music critics about Liz, but it's even better to see how highly regarded she is among her peers. Plus it gives this post some Liz content. One last thing, since I know there are a lot of Sleater-Kinney fans on here, their new single "Get Up" is going to be released on January 26th and can already be advance ordered from CDnow. I just ordered my copy earlier this evening, and I only hope it will manage to tide me over until their new album is released in Feburary. I can already tell that this will be one of my musical highlights for the year. Jase ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #10 ***********************************