From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #7 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, January 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 007 Today's Subjects: ----------------- YOU BE THE JUDGE, dammit... [MrE ] ... [MrE ] Re: Bed/Juliana Hatfield ["=?iso-8859-1?Q?Terje_R=F8ysum?=" ] Liz floating through the Banana Republic.... [Becky Crow ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #1 [Peter Washington ] Kate Chopin's "The Awakening" [Sister Sina ] DC Show [Becky Crow ] Web Pages [Suzanne Walsh ] A little off the topic... [Katiek126@aol.com] vinyl and other assorted crap ["The Human Cannonball" ] That Phair evening where we have too much fun [AngelLieb@aol.com] Jen Trynin [Jason Long ] Re: support-system-digest V2 #6 ["keelyfish" ] TLA show 10/07/1998 [TADude9999@aol.com] [none] ["Stacey Wirt" ] Re: Web Pages [baggytrousers@mindspring.com] It's a family affair... not really. [Nicole Weisberg Subject: YOU BE THE JUDGE, dammit... >>From: "Nicole W." >>Subject: Oh Carson, my carson >>So he's not really mine ...would you settle for someone that has met him? **WE WILL CALL THIS 'CAMP IDEA NO.1'** >>I love the idea of a big Liz love in and Chicago >>is a good idea (direct flights from the UK and i might >>have a friend there by summer). However........After >>the initial fun and frolics i can see things turning sour. >>Chipko Arnold **AND WE WILL CALL THIS 'CAMP IDEA NO. uh...OTHER CAMP IDEA'** >> dreams - other people have shared dreams on this list... >>i had dreamed about liz phest ... we were all standing around >>Olive Park which is in Lincoln Park off LSD. there's a small >>beach where i used to go swimming after the fireworks on >>the 3rd of july. but we weren't at the beach, we were in the >>park area, deeper away from LSD and the parking lot.... liz >>was talking to a bunch of younger fans and she was loving it >>and just hanging out. i was farther away, talking to Jenny, >>drinking a big bottle of neon green (Kiwi-Strawberry?) >>Maddog! (do they still make that shit?) but basically it was >>about a hundred of people from support system hanging >>out with Liz in Olive Park, away from the loud bright parts >>of the city, but still in the city. >>Katie Brown YOU, THE HAPPY CAMPERS AND LOST SPACE EGGHEADS IN EXILE MUST CHOOSE BETWIXT THE TWO: (1) A WELL PLANNED BRAWL IN WHICH THE FIRST PERSON KNOCKED DOWN WINS THE DARRELL GATES TROPHY AND 3.1 MILLION DOLLARS...(2) FOR THREE STRANGE DAYS EVERYONE SUCCUMBS TO THANKU FEVER WHILE ON ACID AND NUDELY WANDERS ABOUT THE CHICAGO COUNTRYSIDE CHANTING 'CHOPSTICKS'. ...personally, nude trippin can worth 3.1 mil. nasa, we have MrE - -------------------------GREGORY------------------------------------ "What is Bloom County? What is the matter with me that i don't understand it?" - ----------------------------PECK------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 01:02:47 -0800 From: MrE Subject: ... how about camp 'liz-like-its-1999'? really sucks huh? MrE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:37:51 +0100 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Terje_R=F8ysum?=" Subject: Re: Bed/Juliana Hatfield >A note about the Julianna Hatfield BED album: I just bought it and I kind of like it. Is there older stuff that's even better? I have not heard Bed yet, but Juliana's 1993 album Become What You Are was one of my favourites that year. I think this is where you wanna start, but her other solo albums (Hey Babe and Only Everything) are decent too. You also might want to check out some of the Blake Babies stuff. Terje throysum@online.no ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 08:47:22 -0500 From: "Connolly, Michael EMC RSG" Subject: Blondie thread Any other Blondie fan besides me upset with the fact that the first televises reunion of Blondie will be on the American Music Awards this weekend? Not that this is bad in and of itself, but they'll be performing with Coolio. Taking bets now that "Rapture" will be the song. Mike Connolly Va Beach An unfamous, but not that kind, of man ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:05:21 -0400 From: Mara FitzPatrick Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #6 Please take me off the mailing list!!!!! Mara Teaffe FitzPatrick Bancroft School 110 Shore Drive Worcester, MA 01605 mfitzpat@bancroft.pvt.k12.ma.us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 09:55:26 -0500 From: "Nicole W." Subject: In Which Nicole Screams AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! First of all, above all, if Liz read The Awakening, I hope she hated it. I cannot tell you how much I hated that book. Quite possibly the worst book I've ever read. I hope that her songs aren't references to that book. Oh I hope. Hmmph. I still refuse to believe that Liz is opening for Alan-ass. LIZ! GET A COLD OR SOMETHING! Hmm this is a real short post. Probably means I'll post again later. Why am I up at this ungodly hour? (9:51 AM) My mother made me get up @ 9 am to call a college cuz I'm thinking of transferring and I'm visiting next week. And I have to call someone at 10 am, so I'm killin time. NO G! WHY? WHY? Anyway... ANy of you listers go to U Mich? Oh please be 10 am "cuz i feel like shit and i wanna go back to bed..." Only I don't feel like shit. Only this post feels really contrived so I can tell I'm not in full Nicole form. Bleh. - -Nicole Hey... craig... that new beastie boys video is WAYYYYY cool. The one where Adam Yauch gets his head cut off? I mean that's not the cool part... I dont' mean that... I was just trying to tell you which video I meant. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 10:00:32 -0500 From: Becky Crow Subject: Liz floating through the Banana Republic.... OK. so I was on the phone last night taking advantage of some of the post-holiday sales from Banana Republic and I was waiting for the next representative to become available. What did I hear to my surprise? Whip Smart!! -- the song, not the entire album I've never heard Liz while on hold -- unless it was tuned to a radio station. I was in a bad mood when I left work and hearing Liz really cheered me up! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:35:24 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Washington Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #1 Ruthie sez: >ken! i got my cds yesterday! you rock my world! everyone who etc. Does this mean, ken, that you have started making copies? Is there a structure to this? Has it been organized? Did I just miss it while lying on the beach in Mexico for the past week (sorry, had to gloat)? Peter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 12:41:59 -0600 (CST) From: c684506@showme.missouri.edu Subject: Liz Wear I was wondering what kind of T-shirts of Liz there are floating around out there at the concerts that she performs at. When I saw her at the Lilith Fair, there was only one - a tiny blue one meant for teenage girls. It had the dancing girl from the Guyville booklet on it and just the words "Liz Phair" beneath it. Does anyone know of anymore out there, or does anyone have any? I was gonna buy one when I went to see her in November, but that was before she cancelled. Eric C. "Every time I comb my hair Thoughts of you get in my eyes You're a sinner I don't care I just want your creamy thighs." -"Erotic City" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 99 10:43:28 -0000 From: "Al" Subject: I taped Sessions at West and would like to trade. I was one of the lucky folks whose PBS affliate station here in the L.A. area showed the Liz Phair performance on Sessions at West 54th street. I am willing to trade with anyone out there who would like a copy of it. Things I'm looking for are some of the Girlysounds recordings. I have many of the recordings but from reading through many of the posts over the last few months, I realize that I do not have ALL of the recordings. I do have to thank Jen Sayler, who I owe a lot to because she was awesome enough to make me a copy of some of them (probably most of them, no?) a couple of months ago. I would also trade for this which someone mentioned on digest V2, #6 Anyone have And on a related topic... well, not really, but if anyone has a tape of the Liz show where she performed I'm a Believer and Alison, I'd be HIGHLY interested in obtaining a copy.Please e-mail me. Here's an example of songs I have not heard and would like which was mentioned in V2, #6. Of course. As in Liz's song "Miss Lucy" from Girlysounds, where she paraphrases the kid's song that goes: Lucy had a steamboat, The steamboat had a bell, When Lucy went to heaven, The steamboat went to Hell... Anyone interested please email me. Thanks and Right On! Al ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:17:33 -0600 From: "Jenny Sayler" Subject: my perfect world . She's in her "ordinary" life, looking at the guy in his perfect world, wishing she could be like "the girls that live inside his world." exactlly, thats what I meant to say. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I'll have just one more cigarette before I get myself to bed" - Jen Trynin- http://www.liz-phair.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 14:44:32 -0700 (MST) From: Sister Sina Subject: Kate Chopin's "The Awakening" I thought it was a really great observation to compare _The_Awakening_ with Liz lyrics. I wish I had thought of it myself last year when I was studying that novelette in a University English course. But.. uhm I truly only skimmed it. C'mon.. 2 novelettes and 5 novels in a 36 hour course? Not do-able. Anyhow.. I enjoyed your ideas (gosh I forgot already who you are) and I am so sure you will get a good grade on your paper. Also.. I really need to know. I asked in the last post if anyone knew which song it was where Liz sings "Jeremy's talking about the Bronx?" You see, my boyfriend's name is Jeremy and my best friend's name is Henry and I am yet to find a friend called Johnny. But I guess Johnny symbolizes all those dickassed guys from the past who fucked us over in trust. - -Sina Ziegler The things I have to do would make a slut blush blue -Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 16:59:21 -0500 From: Becky Crow Subject: DC Show Update -- The tix are $32.50 and there's assigned seating rather than the usual General Admission at the Patriot Center. They go on sale at 10 AM Saturday morning. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:13:27 -0800 (PST) From: Suzanne Walsh Subject: Web Pages OK, so, to all of you out there who have a web page - do any of you get really strange email from people saying they're from another country and they want to make friends with you? Cuz I've gotten two so far, one from Bahrain and one from Kuwait. Is this something people do, or do I just attract these people? Well, anyway, everyone go to my website. It's cool. Yeah. == *Suzanne*Suzanne*Suzanne*Suzanne*Suzanne*Suzanne* =================================================== "Father, you seem like a religious man." -Steve Martin (The Jerk) "Wild and unwise, I wanna be mesmerizing, too." -Liz Phair _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 18:41:55 EST From: Katiek126@aol.com Subject: A little off the topic... Hey all! I have been searching for Jen Trynin's "Gun Shy Trigger Happy" and I can't find it anywhere!!! I was wondering if anyone would be able to mail me a copy and I would greatfully send you some tapes in return. I have lots of different stuff ranging from Liz to Smoking Popes to Material Issue and others. If anyone could actually get me a copy of the CD I would definetly give you a check for the amount and some tapes to show my gratitude. I've checked everywhere and all the independent record stores around here don't have it! I've never heard anything from her before, but do you ever get that feeling where you want something really bad and you can't find it and that makes you want it even more? That is what I am going through!! Ah! PLEASE email me privatley if you are interested! And to Lani who mentioned go speed racer: I love this song! I sing it over and over, i write down the lyrics in my notebooks. I wish it was longer though. And liz phest is a totally great idea! Chicago should definetly be the major location. The home of out princess...... Someone help!! katie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 99 17:52:29 PST From: "The Human Cannonball" Subject: vinyl and other assorted crap in ssv2n006, sara wrote: >i remember somebody saying there was a place online where they got their poly >bride vinyl. i lost the address though. if you know what i'm talking about >or know of a place i can get it- let me know. Somebody probably already responded, but I shall do likewise. I got my single at Yesterday and Today records: members.aol.com/yatrec/private/index.htm They have lots of kick-ass stuff; worth checking out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kevin Granato wrote: >I need to be informed about all this Sessions talk. Sessions is "Sessions at West 54th", a regular series hosted by rock deity David Byrne on PBS. It features "alternative/edgy" type artists in live performance every week - a chance to see some interesting artists in a fairly intimate setting (although the Elvis Costello / Burt Bacharach thing is a total ass-whipping if you ask me). Liz Phair's "Sessions" aired on KERA in Dallas at 1am on Jan. 3. However, PBS stations are notoriously maverick and you may still be able to catch liz's show on your local PBS - check yr local listings or call yr station. Also - "Sessions" has a web page, but I forgot where the hell it is. Speaking of "sessions", did anyone else find it uncool that they bleeped "fuck" from Johnny Feelgood? It's 1am on PBS - nobody's watching except liz phair phans who have heard her say "fuck" more than a few times. Personally, I find Benny Hill and Michael Flatley 1000 times more offensive than the word "fuck." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This sounded funny when it was in my brain, but now that it's typed out, I see that it's just a piece of shit. Enjoy! To celebrate Elvis Presley's birthday, Imagine the following converstion: LIZ PHAIR: "He's just a junkie redneck." ELVIS PRESLEY: "Don't be cruel." LP: "Elvis, I love you!" EP: "Well that's alright, mama." 'bye for now - The Human Cannonball ************************************* Antmusic for Antpeople! ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:26:38 -0500 From: Dan Subject: non LIz = JULIANA HATFIELD STacey asked: >A note about the Julianna Hatfield BED album: I just bought it and I kind of like it. It's not as brilliant as, say, >LIZ PHAIR (of course), but I thought that most of the songs were pretty good. Is there older stuff that's even >better? the album "BECOME WHAT YOU ARE" is much better. It was Juliana's second solo album and the songs are much more....god, i hate to say it because it was 2 and a half albums ago..but almost more mature, even though they were about juvenile things...(ie- Her big sister, spin the bottle, childish relationships...teen rebellion-esque songs..) basically, the nicest thing about BECOME WHAT YOU ARE, is it's simplicity...I think it's *her* best example of fine lyric writing. I really enjoyed BED..it's a fun album... SWAN SONG and DOWN ON ME are pure gems..and BAD DAY flat out rocks, but again, I kind of always considered Juliana to be EAR CANDY! like, she never really struck a deep nerve in me. It's like watching an episode of one of those really cheesey teen drama's that are infecting TVs everywhere..they can be fascinating in a strange way..like, once you start watching, you have to finish, even though you know there is going to be a happy ending...can't say i really relate all that much to Juliana's music, but it's fun to listen to. Like eating sugar: Sweet, but too much may make you sick. by the way - wasn't Juliana supposed to have some EP called "GOD's FOOT?" or something?? oh well..at any rate, browsing the CD shop, DAN. ****************************************************** "Crash and Burn, all the stars explode tonight." -Hole. ****************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 19:57:20 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: That Phair evening where we have too much fun From: "Chipko Arnold" Subject: It happened one Phair summer evening HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! Funny one! For some reason, I see myself running around yelling and screaming that my mom's Tamagotchi's are going to take over the world cuz she has seven and I'm sure she'll get more. Yikes! But then again, after I get over this fear, I'll all of suddenly snap into the other freaky things I do. Like screaming that I saw aliens the other night and confess for the millionth time that I know what I did in my past life. Oh yeah, any freaks on this list? There aren't any! <> Sounds cool, but it reminds me too much of Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour. Yikes! Hmmmm Chuck mentioned that some of Liz's songs that are thrown out there (rarities, soundtracks) rock. I was thinking it would be a cool idea if there was a cd of all of these songs. Wasted and Beginning to See the Light are really cool songs. Oh yeah. The place to go to get the Polyester Bride vinyl single is slcd.com. You can also get it on cd, but it's an import from cdjapan.com. I just found a place on the net where you can find a few things I've never seen before, including EIG vinyl: http://www2.vinylvendors.com/VinylVendors/ KaTiE ();) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:00:14 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Jen Trynin Hey everyone, Since I know there are a lot of Jen Trynin fans here, I just thought I'd reprint a message that she posted about a week ago on the Message Board on her official website . A bit of a downer, but I thought you'd all be interested anyway. - -Jase Dear people who write to me here: Thanks for your continued support and interest. I do check in here from time to time. Warner Bros. and I no longer work together. As "breakups" go, it was a positive one. The company is undergoing a major restructuring, as is the basic state of the music industry as a whole. I wish them all luck. This seems to be becoming one of those times when rock music is no longer in vogue. Because of that, you rock music fans may have to dig a whole lot deeper to find that kind of music. Be aware that many of your favorite bands may return to indie status and the best thing you can do for them is to work harder at trying to find their music and BUY IT!!! As for me, I'm taking some time off from the professional music business. I've been taking some classes around where I live and am thoroughly enjoying it.... which is strange since I despised school the first time around. As for a "third" record, if/when my inspiration returns, I hope to make one. As far as anyone hearing it, we'll have to see..... the internet seems to be becoming a great way to distribute music. Maybe I'll rekindle my Squint Records label and buy a CD burner and sell CDs myself through the mail. Ahh yes, a plan. Now all I need to do is create some music that doesn't suck — always a challenge to which I only sometimes rise. Thanks again. Happy New Year. And please feel free to write to me at SquintRec@aol.com. Jen T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 20:18:08 -0600 From: "keelyfish" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V2 #6 To whoever said something about early Juliana Hatfield....it is A THOUSAND times better than bed. I must admit that I was really really really really disappointed with Bed. Try Only Everything or Become What You Are. If you like those, then you might like stuff by the Blake Babies, her earlier band. They're awesome, too. If you decide you like her, you can email me and I can make you copies of some live shows. I have a recent one from the soundboard that sounds just amazing! I *love* Juliana! keely ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 21:37:27 EST From: TADude9999@aol.com Subject: TLA show 10/07/1998 >About Phils post on this show,which by the way is one of the 5-10 best >concerts >I've ever been, not bad considering I've been to 400-500 in my life. I would >break the law to get a copy of this video. > >I tried emailing Phil privately but it wouldn't go through so I'm searching >for him through the list, please contact me at TADude9999@aol.com ASAP and put >my name on the first copy you make. > >Thanks >TAD > >I sent this post on 1/5 but did not see it in the dialogue as of yet and >haven't heard >from Phil,so sorry if this is a duplication.I just need that tape!! > >As far some of the best concerts I've ever been to in my life(I can't pin down >just one) > >July 1972 when I was in 8th grade my very first concert was The Stones with >Stevie Wonder and Martha and the Vandella's-the first one is always memorable > >Sept 1987 U2 on the Joshua Tree Tour > >Not sure of the the M/Y but sometime in I think the 70's The New York Dolls >-who >Buster Poindexter was the lead singer for- the one of the original glam punk >bands. > >1973 or 74 David Bowie on the Ziggy Stardust Tour > >1973 or 74 Lou Reed on the Sally Can't Dance Tour > >Aug 2, 1975 The Stones -J Geils Band- and Rufus(featuring Chaka Kahn) at the >Gator Bowl in Jacksonville ,Fl. I have to tell the story that goes along with >this one. >As a then 18 year old living under my parents domain I didn't think they would >let me >drive to Fl from the Philly burbs so I told them I was going to the Jersey >Shore about >90 minutes away for the weekend. My 3 friends and I left on a Thursday night >at 9pm >and drove straight thru to JX ; we arrived there in the early afternoon on >Friday, got a >hotel, stayed up all night and went to the concert at noon on Saturday. After >the >concert in the blistering August sun we got in the car and drove home. I >walked >into my parents home as dinner was being put on the table. > >Early 80's The Pretenders > >About 6 months(?) before Kurt died Nirvana > >April 1995 Page/Plant playing nothing but Led Zep tunes , I swear Jimmy Page >is the >Devil > >July 1987 Madonna- an amazing show full of none stop energy and pin point >choreography > >Keith Richards Dec.1988 solo tour- the tightest band I've ever witnessed > >Liz Phair 10/7/1998 > >Sorry for the long post but I only post once per quarter >I'm putting an APB out for Phil with the TLA tape. >Hello, Hello,Hello is there anybody out there? > >TAD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 21:28:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Stacey Wirt" Subject: [none] Hi all! How many of you out there hoard magazines with liz phair in them like I do? Because I am a liz phair junkie and must own, like, every Liz article that's worth buying. Anyway, I'm asking because I discovered a very small shipment of the November issue of Music Choice (liz is on the cover) in my local Borders Bookshop. I managed to hide a few copies behind some old travel magazines - so if you want one, email me and I'll go buy you a copy tomorrow if they're still there. - -Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 22:34:48 -0800 From: baggytrousers@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Web Pages From: Suzanne Walsh l Well, anyway, everyone |go to my website. It's cool. Yeah. hmmm..hard to go visit your webpage when you dont give an address :) oh..and to nicole w. i agree..the awakening was a bit too ugh for my liking...i had to read it for an introduction to literature class my..umm..sophomore year of university?? i read it all because i hate skimming anything, but it just didnt interest me that much...ive found that most of te time i have to read something..had to..i graduated..ack..i didnt really enjoy it as much as if i would have read it by my own choice... i can see where the ideas came from the book though..but its not as obvious as something like morrisseys 'borrowing' from shelagh delaney's 'a taste of honey' roberta ICQ # 27407066 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Rock'n'roll is the most brutal, ugly, vicious form of expression - sly, lewd, in fact plain dirty..a rancid-smelling aphrodisiac..the martial music of every delinquent on the face of the earth..." -Frank Sinatra 1957 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 00:39:46 -0500 (EST) From: Nicole Weisberg Subject: It's a family affair... not really. Second instance of parent being exposed to Liz Phair: My mother insisted on driving my car because it handles the snow better than hers (The kind of snow in my town that causes you to take other cars out is like, less than an inch, literally, kind of like your boyfriend... OUCH!). So my mom had to give me a ride to work. I had my copy of girlysounds playing, and my mom asks "is this a friend of yours or something?" I guess referring to the bad quality of the recording, and I was like "No, (i mean, not in the true sense...i didn't say that though. that's a little to... hard fo rmy mom to comprehend) it's liz phair, before she was famous... it's like a recording she made in her bedroom, and it got passed around and passed around, and this is just a copy of it, so it's not great quality." She just gave me kind of a dirty look, so i compromised and stuck my copy of "pottymouth girl" in the tape deck. Bleh. Take it from me, parents just dont' understand. And zees, my friends and comerades, ees my second post of zee day. going, Nicole ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:05:00 +0000 From: "Jorge (George) Cooper" Subject: I am a Liz Phair whore Fellow Liz whores, 1) MrE, you have to come to LizPhest. However, I can't decide if meeting you would be cool like meeting a Kennedy or a letdown like finding out the Wizard of Oz is human. I think I prefer MrE to be bigger than life. Maybe a legend, like the Loch Ness monster. I saw Tori Amos sing "Smells Like Teen Spirit" in a slow, seductive pace. I think that would spank your "Drummer Boy." 2) Amy S, it sounds like Jewel fans need to lighten up. It's something all fans do, romanticize one particular album. Liz fans do the same thing with Exile. But I think the fans on this list accept that artists grow and don't want to be chained to one sound. I would guess the Jewel list doesn't have such a wide range of ages (13-44 for support sytem?). That could explain the frustrating group think. Chill out. Don't let it get you down. By the time you read this, it will be time for a beer. 3) Time now for a story+++.I have two pictures on my computer at work, one of Liz Phair and one of Jewel. My boss came by and asked me who the "models" were. That brings up a musical question +.do you have to be pretty to be a female rock star? I'm not being sexist but Bob Dylan, Aerosmith and most of the Rolling Stones prove that it doesn't apply for men. But look at Sarah, Natalie, Jewel, Liz, Tori, Madonna. Compare them to singers past like Janis Ian, Phoebe Snow, Allison Moyet (spelling?), even one of my all-time favorites, Lucinda Williams. Would we still love Liz if she was not very attractive? For me, I don't think "Flower" would have the same bite. Ouch. 4) Chipko Arnold in London. What do I call you? Is Chipko a first name, sounds like a subdivision of Chips Ahoy! Cookies. I enjoyed your apocalyptic vision of LizPhest. I think we should organize some type of sports activities for the Guyvilles, Whips and Spaceeggs. These games, of course, should be to the death! By the way, since you're British, are you a Monty Python fan? I had a chance to see Terry Gilliam speak in Dallas last year. He was brilliant but I was shocked to hear him speak. I didn't know he was the only American Python. And now for something completely different++ 5) Sliding Doors is a great movie! Rent it, today! Jorge in Dallas ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #7 **********************************