From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V2 #6 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, January 7 1999 Volume 02 : Number 006 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Blah blah [palik@ix.netcom.com] Oh Carson, my carson ["Nicole W." ] and purple haze wasn't just a song... [MrE ] It happened one Phair summer evening ["Chipko Arnold" ] philly show [liza kosciuch ] jenny's perfect world [Kaufmann@IPFW.EDU (Kaufmann,Mike)] PHIL--the TAPE ["Matson, Lisa" ] Liz in DC [Becky Crow ] Liz is number 3 in Canada ["Gerry Lipnowski" ] Goodbye...for now and my greatest concert [Craig King ] plans for Phest '99, etc. ["Chris DeLisle" ] Phair venues update ["Southern Students for Choice" ] Bed ["Stacey Wirt" ] Liz's looks [AngelLieb@aol.com] did liz read _The Awakening_? [Oh4sythia@aol.com] New member with questions [Kevin Granato ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 00:40:45 -0600 From: palik@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Blah blah moe@lac2.gulliver.fr wrote: > David: > >Liz says that just like God favored Lucifer > > Lucy Phair? Of course. As in Liz's song "Miss Lucy" from Girlysounds, where she paraphrases the kid's song that goes: Lucy had a steamboat, The steamboat had a bell, When Lucy went to heaven, The steamboat went to Hell... Don ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 01:51:45 -0500 From: "Nicole W." Subject: Oh Carson, my carson So he's not really mine,b ut i was going with that "oh captain, my captain" thing. anyway, in response to meredith, and having nothing to do with liz (DAMMIT! I'M GOIN BACK AND TYPING IN THE "G's" CUZ THEY JUST DON"T APPEAR! EXHIBIT D: "GOIN")... I found myself watching a rerun of MTVs new year's thing, just cuz Carson Daly was on it. But he was all lovey with is girlfriend, Ms. Love Hewitt, and I was... jealous? It was weird. I don't know what it is that pulls me to him! I'm not even YM age! Although my 14 y.o. sister subscribes to Teen but they keep sending her two copies, so she gives me one. but I dont' read it! Anyway about Carson and Love... he was all like "this is my best cohost ever" and all this googly eyed stuff. Ick. (I'm bitter) But I still subscribe to... 17? And I'm 19. But I've discovered Jane which is by far the coolest magazine EVER. Which, by 6 degrees of seperation (less, actually) makes this post about liz. cuz they had that really cool "10 things that drive me crazy (in a good and bad way)" or whatever it was called thing. K... signing off for now. OH GOOD! I'm glad i haven't sent this yet. MrE... you NEVER FAIL to make me laugh... snorting crank!! Riotous. You still are a superfreak... superfreak... the kind you don't take home to mothaaaaaa... Is there really already a MrsE? Just asking. - -Nicole cuz free love is a whole lot of bullshit. (that means my prostitution ring is okay) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 05:06:14 -0800 From: MrE Subject: and purple haze wasn't just a song... >>Speaking of MrE, one of us is on heavy medication because I >>haven't understood your last 5 posts. Is that even English? >>Jorge ...ya know what, ah, jorge? i just read my last five posts, and i was reminded of a concert i went to when i was a much younger child than i am today, and that was the one-hit-wonder, Lee Michaels, who had attained a degree of notoriety with the song 'do you know what i mean', or something close to that. anyway, i took my best new girlfriend to the gig, a stunning girl of fifteen wanting to see her favorite song performed and fifteen year old hippie-me who wanted only to bone bump with her latter...if only we had a car...one that her mother was not also in... Lee Michaels had a rather renowned drummer by the name of 'frosty'. now frosty was good, but this twenty minute drum thumping intro was as were/are most drum solos-dull, overbearing and anticlimactic (literally). but as the twenty minutes came to a close, Lee came to center stage. the fans went into crazed mode as this bugged eyed long haired phenom with the long standing number one sauntered to the microphone. a hush quickly descended upon the crowd as it became apparent that the star they so admired had something seemingly of importance to tell us. and in silence heavy enough to be seen (we saw a lot of things in those times), mr lee michaels gurgled a few non lyrical sounds, and with grace and aplomb, crashed onto the stage floor-inebrius maximus...and the moral? who the hell knows? i don't, i'm obviously a heavily medicated foriegner... ok, so i think i have this sessions thing worked out: (1) subtract three hours from their stated start time and (2) delete whoever is listed and substitute them with whomever you want to perform. simple...so, when is p j harvey scheduled? gratuitously re ______________________A.A.______________________ "One of the advantages of being disorderly is that one is constantly making exciting discoveries" - ------------------------------------------MILNE----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 05:38:25 PST From: "Chipko Arnold" Subject: It happened one Phair summer evening I love the idea of a big Liz love in and Chicago is a good idea (dirct flights from the UK and i might have a friend there by summer). However........ After the initial fun and frolics i can see things turning sour. As the evening draws on and guitars are unpacked there will be a split in the camp. A triumverate of powers will form, in one corner the Guyvilles, in another the Whips and over there the Spaceeggs. Some will try to break away to form Girlysounders, but will be beaten early on in the proceedings. Katie will try to calm everything (as only she could) and although initially successful, she will soon be felled by a violently thrown WCSE pen (oh, the irony), which will strike a fatal blow to her big heart. Soon weiners (i believe that's what they're called) will be hurled at each other and toasted marshmallows will fly. Petty arguments over wrong harmonies and chords will escalate into all out war. Soon the National Guard will be called and additional back up will come from the airforce. Some of the party will cover as the f-16 flies overhead, while others sneer as "that wasn't what she was singing". Their laughs will soon be silenced by the sound of m-16's firing at them. All of this will be obseved by two bulls atop a nearby hill and by a passenger in seat 27d that's headed for o'hare. By first light the party will be over, for good. Meanwhile, any Brit or German fans who were unable to attend will be waiting for the S-S posts to hear about all the fun and frivolity that we missed out on. We wait and wonder where our buddies are. They must be having so much fun that they're still partying. Next year we MUST go. ............ The end........ "and i wonder how i've come to know so much less than i knew before" ... Joseph Lee Henry. "i know the promise is so much better than the real thing" ... Grand Drive. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 99 08:27:33 PST From: "The Human Cannonball" Subject: those shoes In ssv2n5, Melissa wrote: >Speaking of clothes, I have to say I love Liz's shoes, every pair >I've seen. I think they were uncomfortable and that's the main reason >she kicked them off... did she say "the cool shoes" to the drummer? The >cool shoes are always the least comfortable. I may be wrong (there's a first time for everything, after all) but I believe she said "cruel shoes" bye for now - the Human Cannonball ********************************** "Help! I'm a Rock!" - FZ ********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:01:02 -0500 (EST) From: liza kosciuch Subject: philly show Last night, I was watching a Seinfeld rerun, which is unfortunately still my favorite show, and what did I happen to see during a commercial break? A big ass commercial for the upcoming Alanis how in February! In big huge type, it said ALANIS MORISSETTE and underneath that in tiny type it said "with special guest Liz Phair." And in the background of the commercial, there was Alanis standing nude, a la "Thank U." I just thought I'd share because if they haven't already, those commercials should be invading television space near you. However, previously any mention I saw of the Philly show said TBA, but according to the commercial, the show's at the First Union Center. Wherever that is. These places change their names so much I can't keep track. Maybe that's the Spectrum? Ok, enough. And after reading about that kid who's 13, i just thought I let you other older members know that I too can buy alcohol legally. Liza ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:19:21 -0500 From: Kaufmann@IPFW.EDU (Kaufmann,Mike) Subject: jenny's perfect world I agree for the most part with Jenny's view below, but I don't think the character in the song is in the guy's perfect world. She's in her "ordinary" life, looking at the guy in his perfect world, wishing she could be like "the girls that live inside his world." I like the idea that the speaker is thinking that she could play the Lucifer if she only keeps her mouth shut and somehow hold her own in his perfect world. Lucifer's fall came from his pride (thinking he was equal to God), so the speaker feels herself in a similar danger, wanting to be full of herself like those "tall, cool, beautiful and luscious" types who disdain when mere mortals sit too close, but fearing she won't be able to maintain the necessary egotism. Mike Jenny wrote: First of all, Liz is torn between 2 lives. One is the "perfect world" in which she is involved with the guy and she is cool tall vulnerable and luscious In the other, she is a mess, she cant even "navigate the guys backyard. she is leading this double life. People think that she is in the perfect world, but she knows that she is in the other one where "home is very ordinary". But she tries to keep up the act that she belongs in the perfect world, but she is really scared that she will open up her mouth and say something that will cause her to fall in the eyes of others (like Lucifer), and let them know that she is only pretending to belong to the perfect world, when really she belongs to the other one. welll I hope this makes sense, I am like half asleep, but I had to write this while I was thinking of it ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 10:38:04 -0500 From: "Matson, Lisa" Subject: PHIL--the TAPE Sorry to bug everyone but... Phil, I tried to email personally but it didn't work. I would really love the tape of Liz at the TLA since I was there (and in the front row Steve (Edward?) Kisko!!) couldyou email me the details etc. Lisa - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----- This electronic mail transmission contains confidential information intended only for the persons(s) named. Any use, distribution, copying or disclosure by another person is strictly prohibited - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 11:20:42 -0500 From: Becky Crow Subject: Liz in DC Just so the DC area phans know well in advance (in case you have not heard it on the radio already), the Liz show hits the area on February 9 (I think the post on the list before said the 8th) at the Patriot Center (George Mason University, Fairfax, VA). I don't know the ticket price, but tickets go on sale Saturday morning. You can probably get the price and exact time from the Ticketmaster Web site. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 10:04:41 PST From: "Gerry Lipnowski" Subject: Liz is number 3 in Canada Hi all, In case anyone is interested in such things, WCSE finished at number 3 in a nation-wide 'Best CD's of 1998' poll of rock critics at Canada's largest newspaper chain. (Tied for first place were Lucinda Williams and Canada's own Rufus Wainwright). And on a related topic... well, not really, but if anyone has a tape of the Liz show where she performed I'm a Believer and Alison, I'd be HIGHLY interested in obtaining a copy.Please e-mail me. Thanks. Have a swell day everyone, Gerry ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:16:21 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Kissed the Buddah Hmmmm...I dunno about this, but I remembered a post sometime ago that someone's brother got a statue of Buddha for Xmas. As I was listening to Dogs of LA today a thought came into mind when "I kissed the Buddha and made him cry" came on. Anyone remember those stupid (?) articles of people claiming they saw the statue of Virgin Mary cry blood? Hmmmm...Um... .... ... . . . <> Wow! While I'm at it, how about a personal fitness trainer? Today's workout is: jumping jacks! Anyways. I'm having a blast today! Sheryl got nominated for six Grammys! Go Sheryl! KaTiE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:17:53 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: YIKES! I FORGOT MY ANGEL SIGNATURE! YIKES! I forgot my angel signature! I feel sooooooo incomplete without it! teehee! Sorry for the pointless post. teehee! KaTiE ();) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 17:51:02 EST From: PhairDanes@aol.com Subject: vinyl hi guys i remember somebody saying there was a place online where they got their poly bride vinyl. i lost the address though. if you know what i'm talking about or know of a place i can get it- let me know. thanks sara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:27:10 -0500 From: Katie Brown Subject: 3 things 1. i keep forgetting to post about Katie ():D 's pens. they rock! they're like heavy and nice...honestly reminds me of a waterman pen i got for college graduation...ummm, with my boring name in place of golden spaceeggs and liz phair in wsce logo form. thanks katie. 2. dreams - other people have shared dreams on this list... i had dreamed about liz phest ... we were all stnding around Olive Park which is in Lincoln Park off LSD. there's a small beach where i used to go swimming after the fireworks on the 3rd of july. but we weren't at the beach, we were in the park area, deeper away from LSD and the parking lot.... liz was talking to a bunch of younger fans and she was loving it and just hanging out. i was farther away, talking to Jenny, drinking a big bottle of neon green (Kiwi-Strawberry?) Maddog! (do they still make that shit?) but basically it was about a hundred of people from support system hanging out with Liz in Olive Park, away from the loud bright parts of the city, but still in the city. i have to admit, i would not be shocked if the "phest" never happend, however, i don't think it is impossible by any means. have there been discussions about this off the list? has there been any coordinating? i volunteer to plan, if this is for real. 3. voice. i love her voice. that's what it is. not just the sound of her voice, but in the sense of the actually lierary term "voice" that she speaks/sings from... especially her use of voicing the words/thoughts of others, Big Tall Man, etc. VOICE. also, i have been addcited to Soap Star Joe (and yes, Nicole I love that part on girlysounds..."rode" reminds me of joni mitchell). I just love the way liz interprets him, that is "Joe"... bye KB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 15:48:49 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: Goodbye...for now and my greatest concert "On Saturday mornings, my brother and I used to live for cartoons. I lived for Scooby-Doo." - Liz Phair What do ya know, I did too. Scooby-Doo was my favorite cartoon when I was a kid, and I never missed it. At last, my trip to sunny Florida has finally come! I leave today (Thursday) and I will be back on January 15. So I will have plenty of digests to read once I get back. But first I want to describe the greatest concert I've ever been to. No it was not Liz, but then again, I haven't had the opportunity to see Liz live yet (sob!). But the greatest concert I've ever been to was my very first. It was Stone Temple Pilots during the Purple Tour, and I will never forget it for as long as I live. It was on July 10, 1994 at the Marcus Amphitheater in Milwaukee, WI. My friend and I had 3rd row seats and I was so pumped for the concert because not only was I seeing my favorite band, but it was also my first concert ever. We were one of the first people in Amphitheater when it opened, so we decided to check out our seats before the show. We're walking around, and who do we run into, but Scott Weiland and Eric Kretzl from the band! We talked to them for a little while, and I have to say that they were two of the coolest people I have ever met. Then after sitting through great sets by Redd Cross and The Meat Puppets, the lights finally went out. All of a sudden, two HUGE 50 ft. lava lamps lit up. One on each side of the stage, as the band ripped through a stirring rendition of the hit "Vasoline". The band played for about an hour and a half, and had the whole crown singing along to EVERY song throughout the whole show as frontman Scott Weiland flailed away like a madman on stage. The atmosphere was pure electric, as the sold out crowd of over 25,000 was on their feet from start to finish. I was deaf for a few days, and I lost my voice, but it was by far THE best concert I have ever been to, then and since. Well, if anyone else wants to share their greatest concert experience, Liz or not, please do so. I think I've going to get frost bite if I don't leave for Florida now, as it is about -10 degrees outside. So I'm off to the airport. I'll talk to everone when I get back on January 15. Wooooooooooooooo!!!! Craig "The KingAdRock" _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:20:08 -0500 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: plans for Phest '99, etc. Hello everyone, Hard to say if this is too early to plan on/for, but what would you think of renting a bus for that somewhat nebulous weekend (but perhaps early-mid July) like they do for "pub crawls" so we could get a "historical tour" of Liz's career: Guyville, her bedroom where she wrote the Girlysound songs (hey, that's a picture to snap), :) , bars where she had some of her earliest horrible gigs, New Trier, etc. Perhaps logistically, fiscally, and time-wise it might be hard to pull off...but I thought I'd throw it out there just to see what all of you thought... Would that kill a bit of the "camp" idea, or add to the experience? Isn't "Stuck On An Island" just amazing? It could very well have been a highlight on WCSE. Does Liz know these songs that are just sort of "tossed out there" RULE as much as they do? Do you think she still knows the words to "Erecting A Movie Star?" Anyway, it's good to know I'm making a return trip to Chicago this summer... Chuck "You there, have you ever even kissed a girl?" -- William Shatner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:51:31 -0500 From: "Southern Students for Choice" Subject: Phair venues update I got a update notice from Pollstar (www.pollstar.com) for the dates Liz is doing with Alanis. With this notice I suppose that all of the venues have been confirmed. Formatted for this email, the list from Pollstar follows: Date City, State Venue 01/30/99 New Orleans, LA UNO Lakefront Arena 02/01/99 Atlanta, GA Fox Theatre 02/04/99 Birmingham, AL Boutwell Auditorium 02/06/99 Chapel Hill, NC Carmichael Auditorium 02/07/99 Williamsburg, VA William & Mary Hall 02/09/99 Fairfax, VA Patriot Center 02/10/99 Pittsburgh, PA Pittsburgh Civic Arena 02/13/99 Philadelphia, PA First Union Center At this time www.ticketmaster.com only lists the UNO concert as onsale (going onsale on the Internet on January 8th). The site does not say how much the tickets are, but it gives a 504 area code number one can call to order tickets, and I suppose you can get info from there on that show. Area code 504 is in the New Orleans area. I doubt they'll have info on the other venues. You might get more info about onsale dates for the other cities by calling radio stations or locally listed Ticketmaster numbers for the community you're interested in. If you go to www.ticketmaster.com, you'll need at this time to search for "Alanis". If you search for "Phair" you get the same 'ol page referring to the cancelled Nov 18 concert. I don't like it either, gosh, but I just wanted to make sure you were warned! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 21:33:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Stacey Wirt" Subject: Bed Hi everyone! A note about the Julianna Hatfield BED album: I just bought it and I kind of like it. It's not as brilliant as, say, LIZ PHAIR (of course), but I thought that most of the songs were pretty good. Is there older stuff that's even better? I know nothing of this singer and only bought the album cause I know some of you were talking about it.... Any fans care to enlighten me a little?? OK OK that's enough of the non-liz postings.... no, wait, one more thing: I thought that there were a number of songs on the BED album that started out with guitar melodies just like some EIG songs. Maybe it's just me... - -Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 21:55:47 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Liz's looks I like Liz's short, blonde hair. The other look makes her look like she's still in college or something. Also, I like the nice dresses she's been wearing. My fave would have to be the dress she's wearing in the picture with Jenny. Katie ();) Yay! I remembered! teehee! ():D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 23:19:57 EST From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: did liz read _The Awakening_? There's a book that I think influenced Liz's work: Kate Chopin's _The Awakening_. Have any of you read it? It's a classic from 1899 about a lady named Edna who realizes that she is trapped in an oppressive marraige. Check out these pairs of lines from The Awakening and wcse: ***"Even as a child she had...apprehended instinctively the dual life--" compared to Perfect World - "I was born to lead a double life" ***"she herself was nothing, nothing, nothing to the engaged young man" compared to Love is Nothing "nothing, nothing like they say..." Also, there's the bird motif. I wrote my paper on this, called it "Flap Your Wings and Fly," and mentioned Liz songs. I used some lines from Polyester Bride as an introduction, because, as one critic wrote, "The ability to spread your wings and fly is a symbolic theme that occurs often in the novel." Edna has trouble flying away because she's a polyester bride of sorts - the novel says "Her marraige...was purely an accident". In my conclusion, I used lines from Canary, since Chopin also uses caged birds to symbolize Edna. Is this pretty good evidence that Liz read the book? I wouldn't be surprised - - if she didn't have to read it in school, she just might have read it for fun. After all, it's about marraige - something she's always been interested in. Between Whip-smart and wcse she's been married, and before that, it was a main metaphor in Exile (Divorce Song...any others?). Please give me some input - and if you haven't read it, do - it's really pleasant reading for a novel about so much emotional turbulence. It's almost Liz-like. You know how people say listening to Liz is being pulled in by her catchy tunes and then getting knocked out by the emotional truths? _The Awakening_'s like that too. Okay, enough of my heavy literary criticism stuff (let me know if this kind of thing really annoys everyone, so I can spare you from my observations about the poetic techniques in various liz songs). By the way, my last message got cut off at the end. It just ended "Dan said." I noticed this *after* I got an e-mail from someone who thought my name was Dan. It was supposed to say: Dan said ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jan 1999 23:35:34 -0500 From: Kevin Granato Subject: New member with questions I need to be informed about all this Sessions talk. I also need a copy of girlysound recordings something of the likes of secretly timid. I would appreciate some responses back on both questions as it seems that I am one of the many smittened with liz phair--Gratzy ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V2 #6 **********************************