From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #127 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, December 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 127 Today's Subjects: ----------------- lillith ["keelyfish" ] Pirner tells me on the radio [Josh Webb ] I just realized something, and my sister and Liz [Craig King ] Liz Phair vs. Pavement (No! i love them both) [JR? ] Liz wants to do it [Martin Quinn ] 3 Liz Songs to play in your favorite bar ["Al" ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #126 ["*Adrienne* Gross" ] replies, ad nauseum ["Cynthia Nagle" ] Some stuff [Tiffany M Wilson ] radio play [kate connnors ] Several threads ["Gerry Lipnowski" ] too many digests!!! ["katie beach" ] Happy Christmas [AngelLieb@aol.com] Holiday Cheer - from Katie [AngelLieb@aol.com (Katie)] perner?? [saylerja ] Debbie Harry and Blondie [Dermich@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:41:19 -0600 From: "keelyfish" Subject: lillith i disliked lillith, but like i said, i'd sit through a root canal over a loudspeaker to get to liz. i'm an addict. when i was at lillith, i wrote a song, well, the first bit of it and it made me think of this "lillith is teeny-boppers who think they're hip" vein. sorry for the unrelatedness, but tell me what you think. it's about a guy who was up dancing and all the weird cute girls who were all....oh i can't describe it correctly. see if you can see anything. practicing pretention for attention doesn't anybody notice his dementia or do they just not care? gives me the impression of depression looking elsewhere watching Sarah sing "Posession" as he dances while they stare do they let him be the jester do they watch him play the fool being part of the collective watching him makes them so cool convoluted thinkers heavy drinkers gather here with pretty hemp rings on their fingers makes them think they're so aware la la la there's another verse here that i'm stuck on. love, keely ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:44:05 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Webb Subject: Pirner tells me on the radio >One thing I never understand is whenshe says "like >Perner tells me on the radio" Is that what she >says? I'm not even >sure... and who is "Perner"? I'm about 99% sure that it's a reference to Dave Pirner, the lead singer of Soul Asylum. I've seen a few pics of Liz and Soul Asylum chillin' like villains. Late, Josh == "And it feels like I've got something to prove But in some ways, it's just something to do"-Liz Phair If you're interested in trading live tapes with me, visit: http://www.angelfire.com/fl/layeroffilm/tapelist.html Go Noles!!!!!!!! Rock those hillbillies!!!!!!! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 22:59:01 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: I just realized something, and my sister and Liz I just realized that since Liz lives in Chicago and I live in Milwaukee, that means I only live about 2 hours from her. I think thats pretty awesome! Plus I heard she lives on Lake Shore Drive, and I was just driving down that street when I visited Chicago in October. Thats too cool!!!! I was sooooo close to Liz and I didn't even know it! Now every time I go to Chicago I'm going to think of Liz and want to go find her or something. Well, I wouldn't actually go looking for her house or anything like some psycho, but it would be so cool if I bumped into her during one of my many visits to Chicago. Wishfull thinking!!!! I can't believe it, I actually got my sister to listen to Liz. Trust me, this is no easy task. My sister listens to crap like Boys II Men and shit like that. But I was listening to songs from Whip-Smart and WCSE. She really loved the song "Whip-Smart" and was singing along to the chorus over and over. I was totally suprised. She hates most women musicians like Sheryl Crow and Jewel, but for some reason she likes Liz. Go figure. But I haven't played Exile for her yet. I don't think that album would get a very good response from her, but who knows. I'll have to play it for her and see what she thinks. We may have another Liz phan in the making. Craig "The KingAdRock" _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 00:09:18 -0800 From: Brian Carmichael Subject: Some thoughts... On the ongoing Liz / Alanis thread: Jase wrote in #126: "Honestly, I do have to say, if it hadn't been for successes like the one Liz scored with _Exile_, a lot of artists, such as Alanis, probably wouldn't have gotten signed, or at least not as soon as they did. Liz sold a considerable number of records with an album that wasn't particularly commercial, that received only minimal airplay, yet at the same time had a lot of major publications covering it and solidly connected with an audience that many people maybe didn't realize existed. I think a lot of the major labels looked around and saw this and tried to determine a way of exploiting it so they could cash in. Hence, a lot of artists with lesser talent that were more mainstream friendly got signed in the wake of this. The new breed were watered-down lyrically and musically, and were the recipients of a great deal of hype. The labels found a way to dumb things down to achieve greater mass appeal and make a lot of money, while filling a void that for the longest time no one knew existed." I was having a discussion with a co-worker yesterday about this very subject and only wish I could have articulated it this well. While I am not diehard against Alanis, (I have mild dislike / indifference) my friend tried to tell me that because Jagged Little Pill sold 28 million albums and Exile sold 500 thousand, (I think) that Alanis was obviously more talented and deserving of this success. As many of you can imagine, this statement kind of bothered me so I treated my friend with a quote (paraphrased from some executive at Apple-Macintosh) "Cockroaches outnumber humans by a margin of many thousand fold. Alanis fans may take note that numbers alone do not in and of themselves denote a higher life form." Disclaimer: I meant no disrespect to Alanis fans in using the above quote (which I was darn proud of using at the time). I myself purchased Jagged Little Pill when it first came out...but I would like to point out the fact that I have not listened to it in over 2 years. Just thought some of you might find this amusing. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:07:51 -0800 From: JR? Subject: Liz Phair vs. Pavement (No! i love them both) > Could you imagine a LIZ PHAIR/BECK show?? No but i saw Pavement open for BECK :) i loved loved LOVED that show. anyways then the thought came to mind, who would open for one another? Liz Phair or Pavement? or am i just being stupidly bias since Pavement is my fave band in the world and i clearly dont see that its obviously Liz would open up? mind is tore, Daniel has a weak will http://lausd.k12.ca.us/~duytiepo http://www.foolarchy.com/REOnline ICQ-1010543 AIM-CoxonRyder IRC-Cranberry_Sauce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:42:42 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: My first cd I'm not sure of which album was my first. I can remember listening to Debbie Gibson when I was eight. Anyone remember her? How about Tiffany? Oh well....the first cd I bought for myself was Rod Stewart's Unplugged and Seated when I was about twelve or so. Can't we just get over this Liz opening for Alanis thing? It still ticks me off to read such posts by people complaining or whatever. By gosh! You people are lucky if Liz is opening in a town near you and yet.....you complain cuz Alanis is coming on after her! so.........GET OVER IT! Still waiting for Liz to come to Florida and to have any listees flame me. Katie "Please be careful with me. I'm sensitive and I'd like to stay that way," Jewel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 11:02:18 EST From: JLD4125269@aol.com Subject: chgo tapes, ken's tapes, alanis, replies, and liz on LSD? OK, I said I wasn't going to join in, but... I'm really sorry, but I was flipping channels a day ago and on Vh1 there was Alanis. Knowing that Liz is going to be touring with her, I left it on. Forgive me - I'm paraphrasing, but it went something like this: the announcer said "ALanis would much rather be remembered for what she's done for women than her actual music." Then Alanis comes on and starts talking about how because of her album now women are allowed to be in touch with their aggressive sexual side. I shut it off. I have to say that Alanis makes me sick. Oh yeah, did I ever tell you? I have always been incredibly sexually repressed, and then one day while driving in my car I heard this song on the radio -- it was Alanis and I thought to myself, gee, it's ok to say "go down on you" or maybe even do it. Wow! I am free! And the sky opened up and the clouds rolled away....ok, ok I'm being incredibly sarcastic. That never happened. If you love her music, and that's really how it happened for you, great. Sincerely - Good for you! But it kills me that she's taking credit for this on TV when there were so many others before her who truly changed things, including changed things for HER. (Isn't that obvious?) If she had said that she was part of something that had changed things, or "I wasn't the first," or something...but it makes me ill when people try to claim credit for something that's already been done, that they couldn't have done without the help of others or people before them. It almost makes it seem appropriate that Liz would take the stage before her then, if you think about it. Liz leading the way. Quite an act to follow. Someone mentioned something about a Chgo tape tree? Or a Minneapolis tape tree? Or both? When is that/are those happneing? And Ken's tape/CD tree? When is that hapneing? Is there more to your review Ken? It was appreciated. =) Finally, KB said that she was driving on LSD and thought that Liz's condo was there. On LSD? Just curious, because I thought she lived farther in. In Lincoln Park. Just wondering. Christmas shopping was easy this year. I got everyone a copy of WCSE. =) Best Christmas shopping yet! Oh, and I, too, am old enough to remember the Challenger and ABBA and saving up all of your allowance money to go to the RECORD store. Hey, I have 2 8-track players, one of which is part of a Hi-fi system which has a tuner and a turntable, and a big box of about 500 8-track tapes. Still works. I still listen to them. Yeah, I'm old, too. =) Merry Christmas, everyone. - -Janet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 98 10:46:56 -0500 From: dbickin@ibm.net Subject: first album, et al. >From: Jason Long >Subject: Back for more replies... >You can count me in as a Blondie fan, I've loved them ever since I was a >kid. I haven't heard much of Harry's solo stuff though, and what I have >didn't do a great deal for me. It wasn't bad by any means, but it just >didn't measure up to the greatness of _Parallel Lines_ and _Blondie_ >(which I've had no luck finding on CD anywhere, and my vinyl copy is >just about shot). Just out of curiosity, is _The Hunter_ really as bad >as people say? That's the one album of theirs I've never heard. Count me as a Blondie fan as well, though "Eat to the Beat" is my favorite. If one ever gets bummed out by life, "Living in the Real World" helps put it in perspective. I have "The Hunter" on vinyl. It is a great album, but it is fun to listen to. Since I am a Science Fiction fan, I find "Dragonfly" cute to listen to. And "English Boys" is wonderful melancholy - a favorite of mine. If I ever get energetic enough, I could try copying it (or selected songs... how many songs is too many to stop being "fair use?") I'll let you know if I get around to it, and my stereo actually cooperates -- doesn't always record on the left channel, damned annoying. >Since Derek asked us all what the first album we ever bought was, I'm >just kind of curious as to how old everyone was at the time? I was >either six or seven and had saved up my allowance money to buy that Joan >Jett album; even First album I bought would be "Beauty and the Beat" by the Go-Go's, which I bought when I was in college. Actually, I got it as part of the 12 album intro package from Columbia House. I bought Liz's "Exile..." on my third or fourth round of re-joining Columbia House. (I'd join, fulfill my contracted number of purchases, then stick around till the selection got stale, or their accounting system screwed up my statement, which was far too frequently. Rejoin when the ads had enough new material to warrant getting more. Of course, I have the internet now, so if I want something, I just get on-line and buy it. besides, the last time I looked, Columbia House still didn't list WCSE.) I was listening to music long before I started buying it. I'd get tape copies from my brothers and sisters. I probably wore out my sister's copy of Elvis Costello's "Armed Forces", my favorite album of all time. That would have been when I was around 15 or 16. Before that, I was influenced by my brothers who liked Johnny Cash and Paul Revere and the Raiders. Make that around the early teens. And while I still love all these artists mentioned (and rank Elvis Costello's "Armed Forces" higher than Liz's "Exile"), Liz Phair has somehow captured my imagination like no other artist has done. I have no idea why, but I hear her sing and I think, "life makes more sense now." Possibly it is that she can sing about depressing subjects, death and car breakdowns and divorces, yet still imbue a sense of hope and optimism in it. Later, David Bicking. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- dbickin@ibm.net - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:10:19 EST From: SmelliSF@aol.com Subject: BLONDIE >>I was just wondering if anyone here listens to one of the first >>pioneers in women's rock...Debbie Harry and Blondie? yes! My brother and I both have huge crushes on her. (he introduces me to Liz, I introduce him to Blondie.) And, i heard that Blondie will be playing New York/New Jersey some time in March, so i suppose that means she'll be doing some sort of tour soon. I have a question re: blondie lyrics. in "heart of glass" does she say at one point "yeh i'm riding high, i'm going to the jewish life?".... Shelli ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:18:22 -0500 From: Dan Subject: My first album. okay: My first Vinyl - Michael Jackson - "Thriller" My first Cassette - Cyndi Lauper - "she's So Unusual" My first CD - Sinead O'Connor - "the Lion And THe Cobra" there ya go... Dan. **************************************************** "Crash and burn, all the stars explode tonight." -Hole. **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:22:26 -0800 From: Martin Quinn Subject: Liz wants to do it (Jason - I haven't posted in eons and only have posted once before. I have a feeling the way to do it is not to write you directly. Sorry!!!) Hi, Two reasons why I think Liz herself wants to open for Alanis (not her record company or management or Mom or any other external forms of pressure). 1) Liz wants to be a star. She said so herself many times. She is the best lyricist in music right now (and Vic Chesnutt) and if I wrote lines like "Imagine me behind your eyes, what did I see, I saw hips, I saw thighs..." , I would be bursting with pride and want every goddamn person in the world to hear my creations. Maybe, just maybe, all the people who think "Would she go down on you in a theater?" is the most daring thing ever recorded will dig Liz. The more people exposed to Liz, the better a place the world is. Although it is easy to elevate her to godlike status, she is human and wants to be loved by the masses. I know I do. 2) She has a sick sense of humor. How many lame interviewers have asked "What does it feel like to have Alanis be inspired by you (or copy from you) and be 10 times more popular? How "ironic" is it to open for that person? It's an illustration of how lame the music business is, but good for Liz for swallowing her ego and playing for as many people as possible. And Alanis isn't that bad! Her songs are formulaic - you live, you learn, I'm drunk but I'm sober... But anyone who can use the word "antibiotics" in the first line of a Top 10 songs deserves some props. I think. Liz and Vic Chesnutt doing an acoustic show is my dream. Or a duet. Love, MJQ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 98 11:06:10 -0000 From: "Al" Subject: 3 Liz Songs to play in your favorite bar OK, I know there have been all these favorite lists going on for a while, but last night I was hangin and shootin pool with some friends in a local bar and as I was at the juke box searching for some music to play, I thought, "man wouldn't it be cool if they had something from Liz here." I tell you, at that moment it would have been bitchen and perfect to hear Never Said. Anyway, you have only 1 dollar to use and 1 dollar will get you three plays. So get out your dollar and select the 3 songs you would play from Liz and keep in mind the atmosphere of the bar in which you are in (whatever it may be). Here are mine: Never Said Supernova Strattford-on-Guy It was a hard decision to make between Johnny Feelgood and Supernova Oh well, I thought it was a cool idea and it will help to change the Liz/Alanis debate. Right On! Al ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:12:26 PST From: "*Adrienne* Gross" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #126 >I was just wondering if anyone here listens to one of the first >pioneers in women's rock...Debbie Harry and Blondie? Women like >Debbie Harry were actually the one's that blazed the trail for women >like Liz, PJ Harvey, and (gulp!) Alannis, to be so aggressive and >sexually frank in rock. Blondie really was/is an amazing band. Just >wondering if anyone else here felt the same way? I must say that I am a fellow Blondie fan too. I'm not exactly a HUGE fan, but I am definately a BIG fan. I have _Parallel Lines_, _Autoamerican_, and _Eat to the Beat_. Must say I love them. As to what my first album was, I cannot precisely remember!!! But what I do remember was what my first obsession with a musical group was. In Kindergarden, I was madly infatuated with the Rolling Stones. I remember I'd be on the playground singing "Wild Horses", or "Paint it Black", or "Heart of Stone" and all my class-mates would be looking at me weird. Oh well. I wanted to marry Mick Jagger then, too. On a sad note, I must point out that some asshole broke into my locker and stole my CD player and _Gun Shy Trigger Happy_. I was extremely pissed. later. Adrienne ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:27:49 -0800 From: "Southern Students for Choice" Subject: Some Phair venues for the Jan. tour Here's the dates with some venues from the Pollstar tour listing, updated Dec. 22: For further updates from Pollstar see this URL: http://www.pollstar.com/tour/an.cgi?Artist=Liz+Phair Date City State Venue 01/30/99 New Orleans LA UNO Lakefront Arena 02/01/99 Atlanta GA To Be Announced 02/04/99 Birmingham AL Birm.-Jefferson Coliseum 02/06/99 Chapel Hill NC Dean E. Smith Center 02/07/99 Williamsburg VA William & Mary Hall 02/09/99 Washington DC To Be Announced 02/10/99 Pittsburgh PA Pittsburgh Civic Arena 02/13/99 Philadelphia PA To Be Announced I checked the Ticketmaster website www.ticketmaster.com when for onsale dates and ticket info but there was no new info there. When you search for "Liz Phair" they're still listing the October New Orleans date (though if you read closely it does say it's been cancelled). At this time there is also no ticket info listed in Ticketmaster online when you search for Alanis or Garbage. (end of post to Support System list) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:54:27 -0500 From: "Nicole W." Subject: AAAAAAUGH! Umm... just out of curiousity, I looked up "spy may queen" on alta vista, and there is more than one site... more than MY site, called I Spy a May Queen. NOT COOL! NOT FUCKING COOL! And it's on angelfire too! What to do? - -Nicole I Spy a May Queen... the original one, dammit! http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DontWalk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:31:25 -0500 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: replies, ad nauseum Hey folks - a few replies, and then I have to go finish Christmas shopping... sorry for the non-Liz content. In response to a lot of what's been said lately, I hope the person who sent this to me privately doesn't mind if I quote you (anonymously), because you said it so well: <> This (as well as any of my own statements) is not meant to insult or piss anyone off. Just to remind everyone of the diversity of opinions/tastes on this list (and in the world) that should be respected because they aren't right or wrong, they just are. Like religious beliefs - I don't want anybody righteously preaching theirs to me. But I'll gladly discuss pros, cons, values, interpretations, offer my own views. And I won't diss their beliefs, and I fully expect they won't diss mine either. Hey, what if you met someone who was intelligent, witty, fun, seemed to share all of your tastes... you hit it off great, you maybe start to fall for this person, this may be your soulmate! And then this person blurts out that they love ______. (Fill in the blank - Alanis, Metallica, Conway Twitty, Milli Vanilli, NASCAR racing, whatever). Does that change your assessment of this person? SHOULD it? My point is, there are many wonderful, smart people in the world who just may have some different tastes in entertainment than you do. And you're just cheating yourself if you write them off as stupid. I really love to see lively debate and dissenting opinions here on the digest. And I especially love it when humor and/or sarcasm are thrown in for good measure. But people (harping like your mother here), don't take dissent personally, and feel the need for rebuttal ad nauseum. We heard ya the first time. Jase: <> You bet I did! Chrissie Hynde is another underrated female rock pioneer, and like Joan Jett, still going strong. And add me to the list of die-hard Blondie lovers, too. Parallel Lines is an absolute classic, one of my favorites in my whole music collection. I'm partial to female musicians, whether solo or fronting a mixed gender group. (Arf! Sounds like a kennel.) For the first album purchase files: mine was Saturday Night Fever (oh gawd). I was 12. And my first vinyl single was "Play That Funky Music," by Wild Cherry. (2nd was "Sir Duke," by Stevie Wonder.) Mark Schmidt, I've definitely heard of Men Without Hats, Willie Dixon, Extreme's III Sides to Every Story, the Hooters, and I saw Kansas OPEN (gasp!) for Lynyrd Skynyrd in September. And I have a vinyl single of Sweet's "Love is Like Oxygen" (nope, I'm not trading it!) As MrE would say, checkmate? ;^) Mmm, Liz opening for Beck, yes I like it! How old is Beck, anyone know? Cindy another old 80s fart, enraged with melting head ;^) Perception is reality. "Don't you know sarcasm when you hear it?" Lucy Van Pelt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:33:29 -0500 (EST) From: Tiffany M Wilson Subject: Some stuff Hey, 1. Don't even get me started on the whole liz opening for Alanis subject. I wouldn't shut up for days. 2. Perner on the radio--I always thought it was Pirner, as in Dave Pirner from Soul Asylum. 3. I'll be willing to tape Girlysounds for people, but after the new year. E-mail me for more info. 4. Top ten albums: - -wcse (of course) - -Introducing-Cadallaca - -Celebrity Skin-Hole - -s/t-Kim Lenz and her Jaguars (great rockabilly) - -In Their Eyes (90's teen bands vs. 80's teen movies)-v/a - -Empty Bottles, Broken Hearts-Murder City Devils - -I'm So Confused-Jonathan Richman - -American Teenage Rock'n Roll Machine-The Donnas (that was '98, right?) - -The Boy With the Arab Strap-Belle and Sebastain - -Is This Desire?-PJ Harvey 5. First album I bought: "Dirty Dancing" soundtrack on tape-I was in third grade... Questions, comments, constructive criticism? - -Tiff "If I ever pay you back, if my money and wallet's in tact, I'll probably be in a box lying down, loosely suited in black..." -Liz Phair "Little girl keeps growing up, playing makeup, wearing guitar..." -Paul Westerberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:20:26 From: kate connnors Subject: radio play ok, maybe this will offer a little insight into the whole radio-stations-that-don't-play-liz thing. I was just in this little record store where i found the single for whip smart. only it was the promotion-only version..they weren't supposed to be selling it in a store. i guess the radio station just couldn't figure out what they were supposed to do with it. idiots! oh, it belonged to 89X -the windsor/detroit radio station, for those of you around here, who must be aware of how little they play her on the stations here. molly ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:01:54 PST From: "Gerry Lipnowski" Subject: Several threads Hi everyone, First, I'd like to wish you all a happy and healthy holiday season, whether you celebrate Christmas, Chanukah, Kwanza or Ramadan ( or anything else for that matter.) Now, to add my lash to beating a dead horse, I concur that the opening for Alanis news is somewhat unsettling, but in spite of the fact that I don't care at all for Ms. Morrisette or her music, I am not quite as horrified as many of you. Although I agree with many of Jason's points in his thoughtful post on this subject, I believe he is wrong when he says it's not a sound marketing move (pun intended). I was more disturbed about Liz appearing on Rosie's show. To my mind, that approaches a far worse 'selling out' (I use the term loosely) than opening for Alanis. At least she'll be playing for rock music fans (again using the term loosely) who buy CD's and are inclined to attend rock shows - and are affluent enough to afford Alanis shows. I would guess those audiences will be way more likely to listen to Liz and be intrigued enough to buy her CD (and expand her audience) than the folks who watch Rosie and most daytime talk shows. I'd wager the demographics would reveal that most of Rosie's fans haven't attended a rock show since Jim Croce died... And yes, it's a sad commentary on the buying habits of consumers and the state of the music industry that Alanis is a far bigger commercial success than Liz, and Alanis would not even have the career she's enjoying if Liz hadn't blazed the way for her. What can I say other than -yuch! - isn't it ironic? Two other threads in which I'd like to throw in my 2 measly Canadian cents' worth.. Top ten list for 1998. A good year in music, and dominated for me personally by female artists. Off the top of my head, here are the CD's I listened to most of the new ones I bought this year. Not in any specific order, but if I had to pick the CD of the year, it would be pretty close between WCSE and the Lucinda Williams effort, but I would most likely choose Liz. Albums by: 1. Liz Phair 2. Lucinda Williams 3. PJ Harvey 4. Heather Nova 5. Cat Power 6. Ani DiFranco 7. Lisa Germano 8. Jewel 9. Ember Swift 10. Steve Poltz And lastly, in terms of buying our first records, mine was the Paperback Writer/Rain single by the Beatles in the summer of 1966. Our family didn't even own a record player, so I had to listen to it at my cousin's house. When I finally did get a record player about six years later, the first album I bought was Ian Matthews 'If you Saw through My Eyes', still one of my favourite albums ever. That's way too long a post: my apologies, and my best wishes to all of you for a 1999 filled with great music, terrific friends, and everything else that you love best. Regards, Gerry ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:13:10 PST From: "katie beach" Subject: too many digests!!! man, i don't check my e mail for a couple of days and i'm swamped. i would like to see a festival(?) type thing with liz, elliott smith, cadallaca, sleater-kinney, garbage, quasi, hole, and maybe smashing pumpkins. i guess that is a lot of music to pack into one day though. my best of 98 list: 1. quasi-featuring birds 2. garbage-version 2.0 3. elliott smith-XO 4. liz-wcse 5. cadallaca-introducing... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:21:10 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Happy Christmas Just wanted to wish everyone a happy and safe Christmas. Hoping '99 will be a blast to all. "God bless us all everyone," Tiny Tim. Katie ();) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 98 17:30:12 -00800 (PST) From: AngelLieb@aol.com (Katie) Subject: Holiday Cheer - from Katie Guess what!! You have just received an animated greeting card from Katie You can pick up your personal greeting by connecting to the following WWW Address http://www2.bluemountain.com/cards/box7845r/win3umeggbdhvc.htm (Your greeting card will be available for the next 60 days) This service is FREE! :) HAVE a good day and have fun! ____________________________________________________________ Accessing your card indicates your agreement with our Website Rules posted at the bottom of the following Web location: (You're welcome to send a free card to someone at this location) http://www2.bluemountain.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:28:54 -0600 From: saylerja Subject: perner?? Hee hee, I thought it was funny about whoever memntioned "perner on the radio" from Go West. I have been thinking about this lately. I have always thought of it as Dave(?) Pirner from um....Soul Asylum?? Is that what the name of that band is, I am having a slight case of Brain Meltdown right now. Anyways, that is prob because that is the only person I know of with the name pirner. ALso, it kinda makes sense "lik pirner tells me on the radio" because she could be listening to them on the radio. Yeah...anyways, it took me like ten minutes to type this cuz my mom's keyboard is retarded. Well...I hope you have a merry xmas(if you are of that persuasion!!!) - --Jenny - --Jenny "I wasn't sorry to see you lose" - -Liz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:35:22 EST From: Dermich@aol.com Subject: Debbie Harry and Blondie Quoth the goodly Jase: >I haven't heard much of Harry's solo stuff though, and what I have >didn't do a great deal for me. It wasn't bad by any means, but it just >didn't measure up to the greatness of _Parallel Lines_ and _Blondie_ (which >I've had no luck finding on CD anywhere, and my vinyl copy is just about >shot). Debbie's first solo album, _KooKoo_, recorded in 1981 while Blondie was still together, is as good as ANY Blondie album, IMO. It was produced by Nile Rodgers (with Bernard Edwards) of Chic fame, who's also responsible for Bowie's _Let's Dance._ It's funky and really, REALLY inventive. And, luckily for us in the US, will be released on CD next month here for the first time ever. All Blondie/Harry CDs are available now in the UK, in a mid-price line, by the way. But the rest of Debbie's solo stuff is pretty typical late-80s, early-90s middle-of-the-road pop/rock, and it's not up to snuff. _Eat to the Beat_ is the ultimate Blondie album, I think. >Just out of curiosity, is _The Hunter_ really as bad as people say? No, not really, but it's definitely not as good as any of the others. It's got a couple of really good tracks, though. I'll be excited to see what the new Blondie album, out in 1999, will sound like! >And Derek, since you've told us that the first albums you bought were by >Blondie and the Ramones, I just have to ask: Were you born with great taste? Heh heh, I dunno. I got those when I was 8, I think (on 8-track tapes!). My music progression went like this: Ramones/Blondie->Devo->Bowie->Gary Numan->Crass->Fad Gadget->Throbbing Gristle/Chris and Cosey/Foetus->Ministry/Front 242->Long period where I hated all rock music that was coming out->NIN->Nirvana->Massive Attack->PJ Harvey/Tricky/Liz/Jen Trynin->What I am today, which is very eclectic. Those of you who celebrate, hope you have a nice holiday. Derek Why do you need a reason more than you've already got? http://loveamongpuppets.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #127 ************************************