From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #116 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, December 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 116 Today's Subjects: ----------------- stratford ["Jennifer Sayler" ] oopsie [Melissa Leigh ] Hello [c684506@showme.missouri.edu] Johnny Feelgood [Becky Crow ] russian stuff, liz dream [Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David)] Russian Girl [Craig King ] Responses to digest # whatever [Nicole Weisberg ] Cuttin' them down [kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko)] DiZzY mIsS LiZziE!!!!!!! [AngelLieb@aol.com] introduction [Catinosboy@aol.com] Erecting some analyses, yeah! ["Cynthia Nagle" ] Why I left California [mhuisman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:24:08 -0600 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: stratford i think it is a take on stratford-on-avon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "All the fear has left me now, I'm not frightened anymore" - Sarah McLachlan- http://www.liz-phair.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:40:53 -0500 From: Melissa Leigh Subject: oopsie Don Palik was nice enough to tell me that The Sessions at West 54th was taped ages ago. I feel silly now. Oh well. I'll just have to sit in front of my tv that day. Anyway it's supposed to be on around Jan 2nd or third. Check their website. Liz and pot smoking - I've never listened to Liz Phair stoned before. I never had any of her music with me when I was and I quit awhile back so I don't have much chance of doing it in the future. I'd really love to try though. I often hear new things when I listen even when I'm completely sober, so I could only imagine what I'd hear with a little marijuana in my system. Stratford- I agree with umm (scroll..) Lucas that it's Stratford-upon- Avon. I don't know how the two are related, but that's the only substantial connection I've ever thought of. High school english class had much EIG listening through a concealed walkman. Maybe Stratford has something to do with the guitar brand. Maybe her guitar is supplied by "guy" like Avon supplies water to the town Stratford. Okay, I'm reaching and babbling again. I wish Liz moderated this list (no offense jase) because she could step in at the end of the digest and tell us the answers to our questions. - ---melissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:19:18 -0600 (CST) From: c684506@showme.missouri.edu Subject: Hello Hello, everyone. My name is Eric and I am brand new to the Liz Phair mailing list. I am a huge fan of Liz and her music, I also think that she is one of the most beautiful women in rock. I got to see her this summer on the Lilith Fair in St. Louis. She played a great set, and afterwards she signed autographs! Let's just say I felt like a teenage girl meeting the Backstreet Boys. She was signing these promo posters for "whitechocolatespaceegg". I framed it and have it hanging up in my room. Also, I had tickets to see her in St. Louis in November but she cancelled. Anyone know what's up with those cancelled dates? I sure hope she reschedules! Anyway, I have a webpage that is available for your viewing pleasure at: http://www.missouri.edu/~c684506/ There's a cool photo of Liz on the mainpage. I urge you all to check it out! C-ya, Eric C. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:26:23 -0500 From: Becky Crow Subject: Johnny Feelgood Johnny Feelgood was supposed to be the first single, but I guess Matador reconsidered. Liz said so on stage at Lilith and in the interview with Kim Gordon that was in Pulse magazine. Is it now confirmed that this is the new single? I haven't heard anything around the office and the station is a big Liz fan. FYI for those of you in Europe, Matador is really pumping up for the European release in January. They've been collecting testimonials and the like for a huge advertising campaign. As for WHFS playing Johnny Feelgood "a lot" in August, um, I don't think that really happened. I would have noticed. The station likes to play songs off an album before it is released. I'm not sure why -- programming gets a kick out of it I guess. So if you heard it, it was probably at night or during Now Hear This before Polyester Bride was released. Becky ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:16:19 PST From: "Dolphin 95" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #113 I find it so weird that "Johnny Feelgood" is gonna be the next single from "whitechocolatespaceegg." Before "Polyester Bride" was formally released as a single, WHFS played "Johnny Feelgood" a lot, and this was back in August... - - -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 98 11:53:19 EST From: Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David) Subject: russian stuff, liz dream - --- You wrote: Hmmm....I noticed something very interesting. Liz sings of a Russian army in Headache and has a song called Russian Girl. Soooo....what other songs are there that have nationalities mentioned? And also, why would she sing of Russians? - --- end of quote --- isn't the artwork from whip-smart supposedly russian, too? or maybe it's just a weird dream i had . . . i forgot to mention (at least i think i did) the sole dream i've had about liz in my life (so far). it was pretty crazy, so i'll skip the stupid stuff. after dunkin' donuts exploded, i was knocked out and while i was unconscious or whatever, i had this dream (within a dream) that liz phair was in a music video with juliana hatfield. they were doing a cover of the lemonhead's "confetti" in pig latin. and they were jumping on a bed. i remember that i was wondering where i could get a copy of it . . . i don't know where i come up with this stuff from . . . off to by fellow donut-gal amy a x-mas present, sarah =^..^= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:15:37 -0800 (PST) From: Craig King Subject: Russian Girl Why didn't Liz include Russian Girl on WCSE? I LOVE the studio version of that song! It ROCKS! I can't get enough of listening to it! I know it doesn't really fit in with the rest of the album, but I really wish she would have put it on WCSE. Oh well, maybe she will for her next album. Craig "The KingAdRock" _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:08:21 -0500 (EST) From: Nicole Weisberg Subject: Responses to digest # whatever About the "Stratford" thing, I always assumed it was an allusion to Stratford-on-Avon, which is where Shakespeare was born and buried. I don't know why she titled the song that, but I just thought maybe she thought it was a cool title and had to apply it to one song or another. I'd bet my life that "Stratford-on-Guy", the name I mean, is simply a reference to Stratford-on-Avon. Shit. I was going to respond to something from a few days ago but now I forget it. Hmmm... let me go read past digests. Okay I can't remember but all I know is it was going to be profound and wonderful. Here's something I read in rolling stone that bothered me. It's an old issue so maybe someone has already posted about it. It's about the program Sessions at West 54th: "But Sessions isn't just good exposure for artists... it's educational. This is, after all, public television. 'If you're a jazz fan, you might tune in and say you can't stand Liz Phair,' says [David] Byrne. 'but you should know she's there and what she's doing.'" Now why did he have to pick on Liz? And saying that you might not like her? Okay maybe it's just me. Bleh. Well if I remember the other thing I was going to post, you'll have to forgive me for posting twice today, esp. since this was a long post, but no one will probably read it anyway. Bye. - -Nicole I Spy a May Queen http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DontWalk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 98 15:26:00 -0500 From: Meredith Robbins Subject: Re: Russians wrote: >And also, why would she sing of Russians? Because "El Salvadoran" has too many syllables. Meredith who was accepted to Columbia yesterday, so she doesn't care if she makes any freakin' sense +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ "No, you're not going to see me stay put...I'm not going to forsake my responsibility. You may not see me put as much--I mean, un un-put, as much." - --George Bush, discussing his travel plans at a presidential press conference eclectricity Exile in Netville ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:24:40 -0500 (EST) From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko) Subject: Cuttin' them down Katie asked about the references to Russia on a couple of Liz's songs, so here goes: Liz probably got to thinking about Russia when she was house/cat-sitting for friends who lived in Michigan in the summer of 1995. She went there, alone, just her and her guitar and her 8-track, under the trees (as the story goes) and wrote the majority of 30 songs she would later demo with Scott Litt. Two of these songs were "Headache" and "Russian Girl." See, the people she was house-sitting for were vacationing in Russia that summer, so maybe that sparked Liz's interest in it. Hence, the references to Russia. (I doubt it's a coincidence.) MrE, nowhere in my previous posts did I indicate that I would be smoking pot and then getting behind the wheel of a car (unlike Liz, *ahem*). You need not worry. This is my fourth consecutive day of posting, somebody stop me. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 16:33:36 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: DiZzY mIsS LiZziE!!!!!!! "you make me dizzy miss lizzie the way you rock and roll" "you make me dizzy miss lizzie oooh girl you look so fine just a rocking and rollin' girl, i bet you wish you were mine" "you make me dizzy miss lizzie the way you call my name" "i wanna be your loving man" Hmmmm..I'm not sure why I quoted some parts of the song. I found it very interesting though. Any Johnnys, Henrys on this list? "they way you rock and roll" is really cool phrase you can address to Liz. Oh yeah, I finally got the pictures of the cookies up on my page. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Birdland/9820/cookies.html I also have a postcard shoppe at my Sheryl Crow page. Just venture through the links and you'll get there! Katie ();) "heading down to Roswell to wait and see." P.S. Howdy Melissa! I was the one asking for lurkers on the list. ();) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:47:47 EST From: Catinosboy@aol.com Subject: introduction Hello all, been on this list for about a month, and keep seeing this Girlysounds tape mentioned- I would love to have. If anyone wants to trade ( I don't have any Liz yet, but have some XTC, the La's, Bob Mould...) drop me a line- got a CD burner here at work (ya!!) enjoying the discussions, Brent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:04:27 -0500 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: Erecting some analyses, yeah! A few things... hope this isn't too long! Mark Schmidt, thanks so much for the lyrics to Erecting a Movie Star - your translation and interpretation was fantastic! You're right, it's not easy to make out these lyrics. Here are the few things I hear differently from what you posted (in *asterisks*): (2nd verse) your eyes were open you had them flown *in* at birth your skin is *hemp-had* and *trait-dearth* erecting a movie star (last line, 3rd verse) it's *self-sale* art (middle of 4th verse) you're packing *dope* who red lips the *cool* yard's Joshua (toward end of last verse) well *don't you* care I agree with you, it's not designed to make sense as a literal, consecutive representation of events, but as a series of fleeting images and the feelings they evoke. I see a lot of references to the shallow movie star's having had plastic surgery, perhaps on a drug-ravaged body and face... schmoozing at a Hollywood party with his (equally, but unwillingly, surgically-butchered?) girlfriend. The movie star is already shallow, nearly no mental substance - and now has a changed physical substance that's not his own. But he doesn't care - he's there to be seen, and "wreck" himself with other "substances." So here he is, adored by all the ass-kissers who recognize his grotesque efforts to literally mold himself into what the people want ("self-sale art" - can you say Michael Jackson?) I think it's a nice, stinging comment on Hollywood culture. Aside from all the imagery, I just LOVE the way Liz sings this song - she kind of lets loose vocally, then comes back, and then lets loose again - like swinging out over a canyon on a tether. Jorge Cooper - I love your breakdown of the 4 compelling aspects of artists. You are dead-on with this! For me, Liz is 1) intangibles, 2) words, 3) music, 4) voice. And may I offer that whereas Liz is cerebral and lusty, Madonna is lusty and gutsy... different traits for different purposes and moods. Depending on what aspect of my own being I want to emphasize at a given moment, I sometimes want to emulate Liz, sometimes Madonna, for different reasons. And through their work, I also find encouragement in what I already am! Cindy "Well look at me, I'm frightening my friends." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 19:25:49 -0500 From: mhuisman Subject: Why I left California hey, I just wanted to say that this is now one of my most faovrite Liz songs......you gotta agree that this song is amazing....I just love how Liz talks about the bulls........ Also, Black Market White Baby Dealer is awesome too....even if it goes to the tune of My Bonny:-) Marlie ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #116 ************************************