From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #114 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, December 15 1998 Volume 01 : Number 114 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: "whip-smart" girlysound [kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko)] Stratford-on-Guy [Josh Webb ] Erecting a Movie Star ["Mark Schmidt" ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #113 ["Al" ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #113 ["Al" ] gs whip-smart, stuff [Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David)] Supernova in PBS Nova ads [palik@ix.netcom.com] Fantasize [palik@ix.netcom.com] looking at the board... [kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee)] Re: ken and the tapes [kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee)] Re: Ken's $ [kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee)] Girlysounds BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [mhuisman ] The awesome Craig video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [AngelLieb@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 02:11:17 -0500 (EST) From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko) Subject: Re: "whip-smart" girlysound On the chorus of the Girlysound version of "Whip-smart," the backing vocal is "Hey, ebon... ebon - ebonettes..." From what Liz said during a certain radio interview, it's *totally* another Malcolm McLaren thing. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 06:55:50 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Webb Subject: Stratford-on-Guy Hello all, In response to Katie's post on why people like Stratford, to me beyond everything else in that song, it's the lyrics. Don't get me wrong, the song's very interesting from a purely musical standpoint with the fades in and out and it's great to sing along to, especially with that fabulous chorus, but the lyrics are what does it for me. I can't tell you how many times I've had an unwilling listener when I was playing Exile and all of a sudden they turned their head up when Stratford came on and said, "Damn, those are amazing lyrics." I'm a big fan of visual lyrics. I guess this makes sense for a film guy. The two favorite lyrical songs are both extremely visual, Stratford and Ani DiFranco's Crime for Crime. In Stratford, I just love the use of color and emotion. It's very complex and yet quite simple. It's like a heightened awareness for things that we go through on a regular basis and at times the absurdity of our trust in those situations. I don't know if there's a better chorus than, "It took an hour/Maybe a Day/But once I really listened/The Noise Just Fell Away". There's my ramblings on love of Stratford. One question on the matter though. Does anybody know where the title came from? Late, I'm out, Josh == "And it feels like I've got something to prove But in some ways, it's just something to do"-Liz Phair If you're interested in trading live tapes with me, visit: http://www.angelfire.com/fl/layeroffilm/tapelist.html Go Noles!!!!!!!! Rock those hillbillies!!!!!!! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:35:42 PST From: "Mark Schmidt" Subject: Erecting a Movie Star Someone a while back posted wanting the lyrics to Erecting a Movie Star. I love the song, but it's a real challenge to make out some of the lyrics, and a whole new challenge after that to make some sense of them. But here's my best guess; input is welcome.... - -------------------- take off your right hand 'cause you don't use it a lot in dreams you're so scant but so what at the wrecking ball your eyes were open you had them flown it at birth your skin is hemp had and trained earth erecting a movie star I saw you there you had your lover so fair in your heart arrived in really bloody makeup and scarf I caught your glare you are the flower sewn into the bar there were we trying hard to make is a stare it's self-serve art take off your right hand (ooh ooh ooh ooh) 'cause you don't use it a lot (woooh-ooh woooh-ooh) your dreams are so scant but so what you're a packing don't who red lips the coolie yard's Joshua who just missed the murder car don't be dense from baby to baby to hotel bar playpens saw you there you had your lover a feather in arm a rain of kisses in the wake of the smarm just bobbing there the party spilled up the stairs to the bar which is a really small estate on a farm well you don't care i saw you there with your blue-blond hair your lipstick stare - ------------------- My take on it: don't try to understand every word. It's more like an abstract expressionist painting--it has a subject, but it's not a picture. It's an image which evokes the FEELING of the subject instead, a feeling which is subjective and highly variable from one listener to another. It's definitely about a party (the "wrecking ball") and a person at the party (the movie star we're erecting?). I see someone really wild looking guy, posing every second of every minute that anyone might be watching, definitely way too cool for his own good. And the whole thing is seen through a fog, probably a drunken haze, with that surreal, disconnected MTV-edit-like kind of vision you get with just the right amount of chemicals in your system. My favorite part (for which I hope I have the lyrics right): "a rain of kisses in the wake of the smarm/just bobbing there" gives me an image of this guy towing his girl through the crowd, giving fake movie-biz kisses and hugs (the "smarm"--not a real word, but a decent bastardized noun form of "smarmy"), with either this girl of his, or our narrator, just along for the ride, letting the waves bounce her around. At the risk of intruding too much on anyone's personal vision of this story, I just have to say that when I picture this guy, I see..... Marilyn Manson! THE END. except... (1) if anyone has to analyze a song or poem for some class, feel free to hand this in; I want to know what grade I get :) and (2) if you're interested in Abstract Expressionist art, I highly recommend the work of Mark Rothko. - --Mark (not Rothko...) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 98 11:14:50 -0000 From: "Al" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #113 I also forgot to include Fantasize on my current on this list: Also, my favorite songs on WCSE have been in no particular order and the ones I don't find myself skipping over are: white chocolate space egg, Big Tall Man, Perfect World, Johnny Feelgood, Polyester Bride (only recently realizing how awesome a song this is), Love is nothing (this is so awesome to listen to when stoned. one fuckin happy tune that always seems to put me in a good mood), Baby Got Going, Only Son, Headache (awesome, just awesome baby!), Ride, What makes you happy (if the world gets a hold of this song, it would be huge! Amazing song!), Shitloads of money and Girls Room (this is the type of song that Liz started her career making) AJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 98 11:06:30 -0000 From: "Al" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #113 Random thoughts... Has anyone else noticed that at the end of Johnny Feelgood that she says "I liked it...I can't believe it"? I never noticed the "I can't believe it" until I listened to it when I was stoned the other night. Oh well, I'm not trying to promote smoking pot, but I seem to hear so many sounds and instruments when I'm stoned that I would not normally pay attention to. Also, my favorite songs on WCSE have been in no particular order and the ones I don't find myself skipping over are: white chocolate space egg, Big Tall Man, Perfect World, Johnny Feelgood, Polyester Bride (only recently realizing how awesome a song this is), Love is nothing (this is so awesome to listen to when stoned. one fuckin happy tune that always seems to put me in a good mood), Baby Got Going, Only Son, Headache (awesome, just awesome baby!), Ride, What makes you happy (if the world gets a hold of this song, it would be huge! Amazing song!), Shitloads of money and Girls Room (this is the type of song that Liz started her career making) And to Jorge in Dallas, I totally agree. I think Liz is just fine where she is and also see the similarities between what Liz has done and the great Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell et. al. who have made a name for themselves without the help of the mainstream music industry. AJ ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 98 14:40:01 EST From: Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David) Subject: gs whip-smart, stuff - --- You wrote: on the girlysounds version of whipsmart, what is liz saying in the background during the chorus of "when they do the double dutch, they stand tensies" its sounds something like "ethyl" or "ever" or something like that. so go listen hard.. cause now i'm super curious! - --- end of quote --- i always thought it was "hey, ebo ebo ebonettes." hmmm. "ebon," according to webster's new collegiate dictionary is "consisting of, or like, ebony; of color, black; dark. then the "-ette": suffix added to English words to "form diminutives (as wagonette)" and "feminine nouns (as farmerette)" (farmerette??). i guess it just came to mind, because double dutch jump roping to me brings back elementary school memories where the young black girls would do all those tricks and whatnot and everyone else would just watch. maybe that's kinda the image liz had. it's kinda youthful, innocent--like thoughts about her then potential son. that's enough etymology for today, i suppose. jorge: "Doo Wop (That Thing)," I have heard one of these songs and that's too many. It sounds like a collection of Hallmark card sentiments and sap. Do any of these title grab you? Is this what you want Liz to write to get a hit single? i dunno, but i dig lauryn hill. off to write my buddhism paper . . . which shoulda been done yesterday. blech, sarah =^..^= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 14:32:49 -0600 From: palik@ix.netcom.com Subject: Supernova in PBS Nova ads I don't remember if anyone else has mentioned it, but the PBS show "NOVA" is playing ads featuring Liz's 'Supernova' (near the end of the ad you can hear the churning guitar riff quite distinctly). Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:59:49 -0600 From: palik@ix.netcom.com Subject: Fantasize In "Fantasize" when Liz sings: "I hear people are talking about us" I always seem to be reminded of that great old Go-Gos song "Our Lips Are Sealed" (also covered in a much darker brooding version by Fun Boy Three) where the lyric is: "Can you hear them? They're talking 'bout us..." Don ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:54:21 -0600 (CST) From: kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee) Subject: looking at the board... Hi everyone, Well, I went to the mailbox today, and I received 16 contributions totalling $103. :O In other words, we have reached the goal! Yay! No more pledge breaks! Hehe... For those of you who are curious, here is a general breakdown of the whereabouts of the contributors to the Liz Phair tape fund (as of Monday, December 14): Location Donations - --------------- --------- California 11 Connecticut 1 Delaware 1 Florida 5 Georgia 1 Illinois 2 Indiana 1 Iowa 1 Maryland 3 Massachusetts 5 Michigan 2 Minnesota 1 Missouri 1 New Jersey 4 New York 10 North Carolina 2 Ohio 1 Oklahoma 1 Oregon 2 Pennslyvania 5 Tennesee 1 Texas 3 Virginia 6 Australia 1 Canada 3 If your state/country isn't listed and you have sent in a contribution, don't worry. It's probably due to the fact that I haven't received it yet (remember, it's Christmas time and mail delivery is a little slower due to the massive amounts of presents and cards being sent). It should be here soon. :) If you still want to contribute, you can. Just email me for the details. By the way, the tapes should be in my hands on Tuesday, December 15. I will post a note as soon as I get them. Thanks again to everyone who helped out! - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:01:22 -0600 (CST) From: kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee) Subject: Re: ken and the tapes Sara wrote: >like some others on the list, i want to contribute to ken's tape funds, but i >didn't have ANY money until this weekend. if its not too late, i'd really >like to contribute. just out of curiousity- are you only going to make copies >for those people who contributed? i have a feeling this is the case and i >REALLY want these tapes, so i definitely want to give you some money. i can >have money in the mail tomorrow. Hi Sara, A lot of people have emailed me, letting me know that they didn't have any money until after the deadline. I understand that, especially around this time (the holiday season). But you can still contribute past the deadline (to spare me from having to pay too much myself for these tapes). As for the tape copying, the people who contributed will have top priority in getting the tapes (re: they will get them directly from me). For anyone who didn't contribute but still want the tapes, I (with the help of Mr. Jason Long) will set up a tape tree (or CD tree, I haven't determined that yet) where you can sign up, etc. This will happen probably in January, since I believe Jason wants to do his Chicago tape tree first. :) I hope that clears things up! - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:05:32 -0600 (CST) From: kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee) Subject: Re: Ken's $ Jeff Dorion wrote: >Due to my struggling college student status, I can't send Ken money >until after I get paid on Tuesday. >I've been feeling guilty, so I needed to post that. Hi Jeff, In my earlier post in response to Sara, I totally understand your situation. Quite a few emailed me privately about their situation. Don't feel guilty about it. As long as you contribute, that's okay with me. :) - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:02:52 -0500 From: mhuisman Subject: Girlysounds BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hey all I just got my copy of Girlysounds (thanx soooo much Chris) and a copy of the 10/17/98 minneapolis show.........Girlysounds is awesome....I love Why I left California...and did anyone notice on WhipSmart, liz says before the first singing part.....where'd you go?? Is she talking to her cat....cause in this little seventeen magazine blurb from 1996, she said something about recording with her cat and squeezing her tummy... Anywayz, bye:-) Marlie (PS...is everryones copy kind of bad quality for the songs up to Stratford-On-Guy????) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:03:58 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: The awesome Craig video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! << So my message to everyone is: Happy Holidays, peace on earth, and good liz music to all!!!! =) =) =) (you can never have too many smiley faces) =)=)=) >> Thanks Jenny! It cheered me up! And Ruthie....keep on grinning! ();) Just wanted to give out my shout of thanks to Craig for the video!!!!!!!!!! I love it, if I could only give you a big hug cuz it's ....it's GOOD! I couldn't believe me eyes that I was crying! If you haven't gotten to him yet about it, I recommend that you do so cuz the video rocks! She's so beautiful in that black dress....sigh.... I love how she made eye contact with the audience. Oh yeah, I read her lips during Supernova to catch the lyric that was confusing us a while ago. She says: "Like a cherub's bare red ass." Hope that helps! Sigh....I don't know what else to say about it... =] The Squirt tv thing was really interesting, I thought the kid was some kind of a dork though. Ohhhhhh...my god.....ohmygod..... What else could I write? Stratford-on-Guy song: I like it cuz of the drums. I have this thing for drums somehow. hmmmm...like how I always tend to have crushes on drummers. hehe! ();) But anyways, that's why I like the song. Something very interesting. Today was my good friend's birthday and I got her a Liz cd. (of course, what else would I get?!) I got her Whip Smart cuz I knew how much she liked the Supernova and Jealousy songs. I would have gotten her WCSE, but she can't stand Polyester Bride at all, only cuz she hears me singing it ALL the time. ();) Anyways, the funniest thing out of all of this is the card I made for her. I used the picture of Liz clapping (my fave picture for some reason) on the cover with it saying: "Why is Liz clapping?" Go and open the card and it reads: "Cuz she would like to wish you a happy birthday silly!" hehe! Her reponse, "That is so you Katie. I knew you'd probably do something like that." hehe! I'm glad she likes the card at least! Now, here's my new year's resolution for this list: I find it very interesting that there's 700 or so subscribers on the list. Just curious...could it be possible that some (perhaps all?) of the lurkers come forward and introduce yourselves? It doesn't have to be long...just like to know who else is on the list! AYE! AYE! AYE! AYE! AYE! finish your story Jase! AYE! AYE! AYE! AYE! AYE! AYE! I'm dying to hear the rest of it! AYE! AYE! AYE! AYE! AYE! AYE! what happens next?! AYE! AYE! ohk..I think you get the picture! ();) Katie ();) "Cuz I've built my life around you," Stevie Nicks. P.S. Marlie, I got myself the Veruca Salt's American Thighs cd. It rocks! P.S.#2 Is Molly still around? PLEASE EMAIL ME!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #114 ************************************