From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #104 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, December 5 1998 Volume 01 : Number 104 Today's Subjects: ----------------- come on guys ["Jennifer Sayler" ] an addition to an earlier post ["Jennifer Sayler" ] jase-it's time [Melissa Leigh ] ... [MrE ] Craig's search for FL concerts ["Southern Students for Choice" ] jealousy in boston [Ascending to the Stars ] 1998 Wind-Down ["Chris DeLisle" ] pull [Monki ] Beginning to See the Light [Suzanne Walsh ] surreal experiences ["Jennifer Sayler" ] new kid on the list... [jdirksen@tmp.com (ST LOUIS)] covers... [Monki ] Re: Responses to #100/101& why I hate FL [Meredith Robbins ] What she should cover [Lucas Miller Johnson ] Re: Craig's search for FL concerts [baggy trousers ] Stealing Lines [AngelLieb@aol.com] tour crap [MrE ] Just browsing [AngelLieb@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:21:27 -0600 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: come on guys << The Support System digest v100 was *really* nothing to get all excited about. For pete's sake., I know the 6'1" was awesome, but who the hell cares if people get excited about #100? I think they are just happy that they have been priveleged to 100 great digest about Liz. Is there any need to rain on their parade? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious" - Liz Phair http://www.liz-phair.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:35:13 -0600 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: an addition to an earlier post I just wanted to let you all know that I am unlucky in cards. =) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious" - Liz Phair http://www.liz-phair.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 23:22:48 -0800 From: Daniel Allis Subject: New Post Board. Hi Guys, I just added a NEW message board to Lizphair.com and I would like to invite everyone to come by and say some words about Liz Phair. - -Dan http://www.lizphair.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 02:22:49 -0500 From: Melissa Leigh Subject: jase-it's time Okay, I think it's time that Jason goes back to moderating this list a la 6'1. All in Favor say "AYE!" Not that I don't enjoy seeing the same post many many times, but if he has the time and energy it would be nice. I also want to say that the Matador bulletin Board is crap and I tried to find out more info on the CD art of EIG and why it was changed. After wording my question carefully to avoid confusion, I got back a single sentence reply: "It was never Ken and Barbie on the back." Accutron 2000 I'll give you an accutron.... I want to get another of the original art for when I scratch the one I use. Does anyone else feel she needs more than one copy of each album or am I just looking for an excuse to spend money? What else... Places to see Liz videos. LizPhair.com has quite a few. I'm not sure how I feel about the site even if it does have lots of good stuff. Maybe I'm just angry at him for stealing the address before someone who has been around on the lists and the "liz community" got to it. Okayyy, it's a really nice site. http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/artists/text/hearsee.asp?afl=rsn&LookUpString=48&tmaster=&artistBio=1&album=1&galleryPics=1&covers=1&issue=0&v_venue=0&audvid=1&headlines=1&boards_link=/webx?13@^48@.ee6bac4&fanclub=1&guide=0 umm you can uh cut and paste that or something... rolling stone has 2 complete liz videos at the address above Never Said (what's with the greenhouse?) and Supernova, both pretty crappy quality in realvideo. You can tell Liz is completely in charge with her videos with all those photo booth pictures floating around. The Liz Phair demo tape Fundraising Campaign- Ken is asking for $2 donations from each and every (AHEM) member of the list so that he can buy some tapes off a bootlegger type guy. The goal here is to get the tapes and make a tape tree so in 2 months we all don't have to pay $25 for the same exact thing from some profit-making bootlegger. My job is to hunt down anyone who hasn't contributed and hack their accounts. Send money: well email him for his address because he may not be okay with me giving it out - kenmlee@ix.netcom.com Wcse- the song - Maybe I am interpreting too much from my own experience. I don't see this song about cute, little Nicky. I see it more as an infatuation with someone, like the light side of Johnny Feelgood. She sees him all around her in nature and rainbows. Damn I hate jewel cases. Broke it. The obsession part I get from the lines "my heart is holding on " and the don't tell me I've been wrong..dont tell me all the magic's gone." Not to mention the "I'll seeeeee youuuuu....." at the end of the song. It's almost like the attitude in that Blondie Tide is High song where the subject is waiting patiently and is confident that he'll be hers. She'll see him around because they're linked like the pitch of the sound that a certain hollow makes when the wind blows. I thought of the albums inner pictures at this point. Does anyone else have interpretations on this one? sorry for the lengthy ramble, It's 2 AM and everyone else told me to go to sleep. - ---melissa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 01:13:21 -0800 From: MrE Subject: ... always entertaining to read the wit and wisdom of someone berating a smartass with smartass attempts-(and we all know who they are). doesn't seem very liz-like somehow... and jase-lest i failed to mention-you do have the best digest going...try to keep it from being gone. too many good people to fail. take care-and give it back MrE the dog of l.a. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:18:31 -0800 From: "Southern Students for Choice" Subject: Craig's search for FL concerts Craig wanted to know how to find shows in the Orlando area when he'll be down here in mid-January. The best thing I can think of would be to go to www.pollstar.com and do some searches for Orlando and nearby cities. Pollstar lists a wide variety of concerts, many of which are not Ticketmaster shows. You could restrict the dates displayed to the dates you expect to be in the area so you don't see shows scheduled for when you're not in town. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:48:54 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Best of 1998 Hmmm, not much Liz content here, but I thought of sharing the best/worst of my 1998 since some people have mentioned it. Went to about nine or ten concerts this year with going to Lilith Fair being a dream come true. Skipped who knows how many dance classes. (please! Don't tell my mom!) Got this lovely computer and the internet service, only to have it crash right when I'm in such a good mood. Hmm...what else? Turned 18, got my tattoo. Made my room junkier by getting more music, as usual. Worked who knows how many hours at the theater and practically lived at work during the summer. Discovered new music like Liz, Natalie Merchant, Lisa Loeb and who else? Got addicted to Twizzlers. *hiccup* Um...what else? Got into the swing of Beta Club activities, not. Oh yeah, about living at work during the summer, I saw The X Files movie eight times to give you a general idea. I still like that movie, I still don't believe the truth was revealed like they said in the trailers. Oh well, that's basically my good year of 1998. I'm looking forward to 1999, so I can graduate from high school and have a blast! Katie ();) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:11:47 -0600 From: "keelyfish" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #103 This is completely unrelated, but I think it's the fault of this list so I'll tell you : ) I had a Liz dream last night! She was on a catwalk stage and my boyfriend had told her that i was mad for her before she went on and when she did go on, she reached out her hand and pulled me up on stage and talked to me : ) She told me how to get over my stagefright and she said that I really need to cause if I don't, I'll never meet her for real. So, I think it's a sign from angelliz that someday I'm gonna be able to sing for my supper. I love her. I must be insane. Thanks for listening : ) keely ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 14:15:36 -0500 From: Ascending to the Stars Subject: jealousy in boston yeah, to whoever mentioned it, that was me screaming "you promised in ny you would play jealousy" at the wbcn show i really really wish she had! oh well.. i'll just have to stalk her some more in england :) later folks (:ruthie:) - -- *******Deceive*******Inveigle*******Obfuscate******* "Wild and unwise, I wanna be mesmerizing, too" "So I hope you all will see, there just isn't a place here for me" --Liz Phair "I wish I could say it was great while it lasted, but I won't lie" --Jen Trynin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:26:58 -0500 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: 1998 Wind-Down Hello everyone, 1998 hasn't been the greatest year for me, but I'll spare you the details. I will tell you that most of the best things that happened to me this year are Liz-related. - -- she put out the album of the year, and for that, I'm most grateful - -- I joined this mailing list, and besides a couple of glitches (bootleg sheisters, going on about certain subjects a little too long, posts that are posted 30 times, etc), I'll take an educated guess that it's one of the best mailing lists on the entire Internet - -- I made a friend of the Nagle, whom I cherish to no end (you'll never know how cool she is) - -- I made another friend, who I call Beautiful, who has been SO incredibly kind and generous, I don't know that I'll ever be able to return the favor - -- I saw Liz in concert, and I must say I think she's skipped a few grades (she aint a freshman anymore, folks). The sex appeal that oozed from "Dance Of The Seven Veils," the sublime rendering of "WCSE"... So if the cosmos would please thank Liz for me for everything... Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 10:21:04 -1000 From: Monki Subject: pull hey all!! sorry for the LONG post but i read the whole week's isues in one sitting so i gotta respond all at once! - ---- in responce to chris (from #100): >I wonder if Liz (or any of those interviewers out there) comprehends the >emotional attachment her fans have for her. It's never mentioned! For all >you Tori, Ani, Sarah, Jewel, Natalie, Alanis, Paula, etc - heads out there: > do the emotional attachments run as deep with them as ours run with Liz? >I kind of witnessed a slice of the Ani cult at a Bob Dylan show, but I >can't imagine any of the other artists having that kind of pull on one's >life. I'm kind of revealing myself here, but none of my other favorite >artists pierce me as much as she does -- and that's saying something. of course they do... everyone has their favorite. my best friend is such a tori freak that he flew to the west coast (we live in Hawaii) for 3 weeks and saw 6 tori concerts in a row. Ack. funny thing was, his biological mother (if that doesn't say something!) died while he was on the road. She actually played a song for him, and like announced it and everything. so my answer is, yes, every artist can have that much of a pull. - ---- myself, i love tori's music more than just about anything, but something about liz phair as a person is so much more accessible to me. she's so sincere and real, which is hard to find. jewel (and please don't take this the wrong way) sounds so contrived next to liz. and funny thing about liz phair songs; they all apply to my life. that's how you know who your favorite artist is. btw, if anyone is not sure if they like tori, there are a few singles to try, if you like slow, pretty music, try jackies strength, the b-side called "never seen blue" is totemo groovey. i have a feeling that people who like songs like "canary" "shatter" and "fantasize" will like tori. not the same sound, but the same sort of energy. also, go out and by suzzane vega's "nine objects of desire" it's worth your money (ok, try to sample it first, cause it's not for everyone). - ---- in responce to derrick (ish #100): when i first heard wcse i thought, awww she sold out, this sucks!! heh, i finally LISTENED and... the noise just went away! sorry. anyway, now i love it, except for shitloads which was still much better on girlysounds/combo platter (i heard both). i was soooo wrong, but she is soooo right! also for the record, i don't really like only sone, and i LOVE baby got going (go figure, but i do think both only son, and big tall man could have been positioned better.) - ---- to gabriel, (ish #103): i'm not sure what i'd like to see liz cover but i think i'd really like to hear trent rezner (did i spell that right?) do "canary". it would be truley awsome, very dark. - ---- as for selling out, ok, i know i said it myself, but really, if you must have liz all to yourself, wouldn't you rather say, yeah well i had all her albums back in 94 or whatever? i would love to have more support im my liz phair worship! 'sides, i hate when people with a genius for music FINALY get recognized for their hard work and talent and then people have to go and compare them to green day. selling out is changing your style to fit other's (lables) perceptions. Becomeing successful is getting recognized for being yourself. but, affter all that, i still like the early "raw sounding" stuff better. heh. - ---- ken: i'll try to send something! um, for all of you who want to hear rare liz stuff, try getting mp3's! i've got just about everything on my computer, while i'm waithing to get tape/cd. also it's a great way to get all those interviews!! try posting on the list and someone will help you out! thanks for suffering through this! have a good week, everyone. please write letters to liz telling her she needs a working vacation in hawaii!!! - -monki- woop woop! go phag phans go! KICK ASS!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:06:37 -0800 (PST) From: Suzanne Walsh Subject: Beginning to See the Light I was just wondering if anyone had any insight into the song, "Beginning to See the Light." I think it's so beautiful but it doesn't seem like Liz's normal songs. Is it a cover? Also, any interpretations of the lyrics? == *Suzanne* ********************************************** * "I am not a pretty girl, * * I don't want to be a pretty girl, * * No, I want to be more than a pretty girl." * ************** Ani DiFranco ****************** _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 15:15:47 -0600 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: surreal experiences They are showing the Horse whisperer on my school's tv station this weekend, and I have never seen it before. I was just flipping through the channels, and I saw it so I stopped and watched. the next thing I knew, there were these two girls on horses singing "I met him at a party and he told me how to drive him wild.." how wierd. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious" - Liz Phair http://www.liz-phair.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 98 20:39:21 GMT From: jdirksen@tmp.com (ST LOUIS) Subject: new kid on the list... hey kids - i'm new here...i've been into liz's work since guyville + think she's a genius. i'm married + work at a marketing agency in st. louis. i've been trying to collect/trade for some of her live shows or bootleg cd's to no avial for the past year or so. if anyone is interested in trading or is willing to spin some for blanks + postage, please e-mail me privately...i'd really appreciate it. thanks. jd jdirksen@tmp.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 11:55:35 -1000 From: Monki Subject: covers... wait, i do know a song liz should cover! heartbreak hotel, by elvis wouldn't it be so throughty and perfect, especialy if she hammed it up. *sigh* k-den, bye. ^ ^ ([0 0]) naughty " little U monki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:10:18 -0500 From: Meredith Robbins Subject: Re: Responses to #100/101& why I hate FL AngelLieb@aol.com wrote: > Think of all the stuff we went through, the bootleg people, Alanis bashing and > what else where we had disagreements and yet, we made it past 100. And you know what's even *more* amazing? We've made it not just past 100, but 650! Sheez. It ain't nothin' but a number. Meredith who is a bitch - -- "The Romantics had sex and drugs, but lacking rock-and-roll they made do with Switzerland." --Lloyd Rose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:34:17 -0600 (cst) From: Lucas Miller Johnson Subject: What Liz covers > HAHAHA!!! JENNY WAS DRUNK FOR HER SECOND POST!! Hee hee! :D > Anyway... Other songs where Liz has borrowed stuff... > "Whip-Smart," from the malcolm mclaren song, "Chopsticks," from the first > song that everyone ever learns on piano, ummm... i'm sure there's more, > but my stomach hurts cuz i just ate a butterfinger. I can't think. And I > feel pukey. Uh oh. > Anyway... oh yes... "South Dakota" is like an Iggy Pop song or > something, someone was talking about umm... some song on wcse... but i > don't remember which one, and what it's like. Oh well. > Bye. > - -Nicole Ok, there's also "Wild Thing". Did Jenny already mention that? And K.C. and the Sunshine Band's "That's the Way (Uh Huh, Uh Huh, I Like It, Uh Huh, Uh Huh)". And how could we forget "Combo Platter" which borrows heavily from Liz Phair's "Shitloads of Money" and "Don't Be So in Love With Yourself" (and maybe other songs too). BTW, I think that's the coolest marketing device, as used on Juvenalia. Luv, Lucas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 16:41:23 -0600 (cst) From: Lucas Miller Johnson Subject: What she should cover Hey, I would love to hear Liz sing "Sexual Healing". > hey lucas.. i doubt to you saw that jem thing on my page, seeing as how > i dont' have one Whoopsie. but i wish i was cool enough to have something > like that....cause jem is truely truely truely outrageous.. although, i > always liked the misfits, [their] songs are better... > (:ruthie:) It'd be cool if Liz would cover the Jem Song. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:33:55 -0500 (EST) From: baggy trousers Subject: Re: Craig's search for FL concerts craig may also want to check out ink19 which is a cebtral florida based paper that gives concert dates..i believe they are online at www.ink19.com..they usually give you some good ones and list basically all of florida and then some georgia dates.. roberta **oh you look so tired + "Rock'n'roll is the most brutal, mouth slack and wide + ugly, vicious form of expression - ill-housed and ill-advised + sly, lewd, in fact plain dirty..a your face is as mean as + rancid-smelling aphrodisiac..the your life has been + martial music of every delinquent crash into my arms + on the face of the earth..." i want you****** + -'jack the ripper' (morrissey) + -Frank Sinatra 1957 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:44:42 -0500 From: Katie Brown Subject: Pointing A Finger hi everyone! NICOLE- public apology sorry I misunderstood your may queen/ewok conversation with Liz...guess you weren't the only one who was nervous afterall! I'll call you when I get my pictures back and you do the same- still in shock over it and the "pointing a finger" episode which I will post below.... BILL IN CT have you been getting my private emails? I think some guy named rocko has my mailing address...but will he send me the Liz handbill? heeehee, sorry we missed each other. about my comment to Liz on COVERS... (bill in CT) when I told Liz I never heard her do any covers before, I *did* mean live...."Allison" and "I'm a Believer" totally blew us away that first night!! Especially because there weren't as many die-hard phans at that show... it was so unbelievable and amazing, I felt as if Lani and I were looking around like can anyone else believe this? So when I mentioned it to her and she said "I've never done covers before tonight!" we were talking about live shows, after seeing her five times and seeing eons of setlists! Dark Side of the Moon I loved your "why not?" response to my Florida sign! I did not have a sign but I did say to Janet while talking about the list "you all are so wanted in Florida" and she said "i know" and made a face like she had heard it many times before! so I did try and they do know about you!!!! KATIE ():D Great party the other night, Angel ! Thanks for having me! Me getting ready to have a mighty spaceeggy weekend! talk to you soon! JENNY I have an article where Liz is interviewed by kim gordon / sonic youth describing two songs off wcse that has music lifted off or based on something prior. one was the background music in baby got going. also, don't forget WILD THING and Turning Japanese! Fantasize (hey! you've got to...), chopsticks....what else? great idea. ok, here goes.... POINTING A FINGER My favorite Liz tune to sing happens to be Support System and I totally relate to the lyrics like many other tunes. At the Tuesday night show, while Liz was coming to the end of the line "to last me all the way through" I pointed my finger at her early and since mine was the first arm outreached, it caught her eye and she obviously recognized me from the night before. Since she doesn't play guitar during support system, she walked over to me and was pointing back, "Pointing a finger I'm counting on loving you over and above the passion, I'm connected to you." and we were pointing at each other this whole time! Then I mouthed the words "how are you?" and she mouthed "good" as she was putting the microphone back onto the stand. I didn't know if I was imagining this until Nicole and many others were turning around at me like wow (plus others have since mentioned it to me- I wasn't dreaming!) and then I squealed, "I'm freaking out!" Guess I couldn't be smooth the WHOLE time! Important realization: I of course was thinking that I was counting on loving Liz and her powerful words and music and that I was connected to her. Watching her sing those words while looking at me meant something different- obviously she doesn't count on loving me and talking about out common people/places in Chicago doesn't necessarily make her feel all that connected to me....but I seriously believe that LIZ FEELS CONNECTED TO HER FANS...more now than ever before....she even said in Boston in October "I really appreciate all of you coming out here tonight....more than you'll ever know". and I'll never forget how pissed she was at the "fans" screaming obscenities at her at a show in 1994. I hope that I don't get any negative responses from any of these posts, I definitely hesitated to post about these experiences for fear of being bashed like I was bragging and especially because of all the cancellations....but I am glad to have this place to share these experiences. and I wouldn't have had such a great time without this list because Nicole and lani and I all approached Liz together and we wouldn't have known each other w/o the list. please keep faith that you will see her- and if anyone wants a picture of Liz or Liz and Janet dancing please e me privately! Since the first show was an invite only celebration, there was lots of press and they weren't confiscating cameras....I took 36 exposures total both nights! so that's it- sorry I didn't post for 100 but Katie's party was so much fun! sorry so long, didn't quite know how to say it. I think I need to subscribe at home- this work thing is killin' me! at least one hour of my work day is Liz! Liz! Liz! would this look good on my resume? KB ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:52:10 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Stealing Lines Hmm...very interesting when Jenny mentioned Liz taking lines out of other artists' songs. The only one I can think of right at this very moment is some song off of Girlysounds, "it's in my kiss, that's where it is." That's from that Cher song from the movie Mermaids and I know she was covering this song from the 50's. Oh well, the more I think of it, some of Liz's songs remind me of some Beatle songs. The "ho ho ho's" and "hey hey hey's" sound like the "yeah yeah yeah's" from their She Loves You song. Also, the ending of In Love With Yourself sounds almost like the ending of Love Is All You Need. Hmmm....just thinking of it. I dunno know why, but this song by Ringo Starr called Devil Woman sounds really cool! "Your eyes are green and your legs are long." Hmm...so nice to get back to the Beatle days. "You're like the devil with horns in your head." Huh? What was that all about? Another thing to add to the great 1998. All of the good new albums people have released. Sheryl Crow, Jewel, Liz and Madonna are good ones on my list. Katie ();) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 20:46:58 -0800 From: MrE Subject: tour crap the dismay directed toward the inconsistencies and unphairness in touring practices have been more than merely opinions expressed by 'deviates'. perhaps the ivory tower is not what it seems, but never the less, when did the expression of fact become inflammatory? (from Matador) Liz Phair: All dates have been cancelled...even december... word is they will be rescheduled in early 1999. (rather ominious, isn't it?) ...and "The Self-Congratulatory Remark With Unintentional Self-Effacing Qualities" award goes to...(we all know who he is). good will to all MrE the dog of l.a. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:50:39 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Just browsing Hey, I'm bored as hell, got out of work early (around 8pm and have been on the puter since 9) and have nothing to do so I'm on my little spaceeggy surfboard surfing through the net. Here are really cool results I've found: AOL users, you might want to go to Keyword: rolling stone. They added really nice pictures of Liz from Lilith Fair on 11/4/98 and one from 11/6/98. Need not worry, I downloaded them for anyone who might like to have them if you don't have AOL. The one from 11/6 doesn't look so great cuz there's a big line running across her face. I also tried the rollingstone.com thing, but I didn't find much there, but I found something. Head down to the subject under the next. No news of the Sessions thingy. sigh..... I found the Supernova and Never Said video!!!!!!!!!! http://www.rollingstone.com/sections/vtheater/text/inventory.asp?afl=rsn&Artis tkey=p They also have Stratford-On-Guy and Jealousy. Yippee skippy! I finally got to see the Supernova video raved about! Ohk, me need to go and do something more creatvie! hopefully...... Katie ();) Dang! It took me an hour to write this letter?! ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #104 ************************************