From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #95 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, November 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 095 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Just a couple tidbits ["Alisha Heidbrink" ] Random Thoughts [Josh Webb ] We're off to see the Wizard of #95 [AngelLieb@aol.com] cockypock and selfishness [Beau ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #94 ["Vanessa Salazar" ] places to buy boots in atl [PokaDot420@aol.com] liz in music choice [PhairDanes@aol.com] Re: Can't Get Out of What I'm Into [etc.] [palik@ix.netcom.com] My dream set list (about time!) [AngelLieb@aol.com] WANTED: My Big Tall Man! [AngelLieb@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 02:14:02 EST From: "Alisha Heidbrink" Subject: Just a couple tidbits Hey everyone, I hope you had a great Thanksgiving and an equally good day of shopping afterward. I'd just been silent on the list for a long time and thought I would put my two cents in about a few issues. I, like so many others out there these days, would love cd's of any rare liz songs, bootlegs of shows, girlysounds, anything at all. i would, of course, be willing to pay for shipping and the either send a CD or money for one. Can someone post the address for ken again. i think that sounds like a great idea, I've just been too lazy lately to actually get the money in the mail. I had to relax while I could before the stress of finals and christmas... Just to tell everyone a little about myself, I'm a 19 year old sophomore at the University of Michigan. I put myself through school by waitressing, almost cliche isn't it, and have a lot of fun doing it. I am currently a psych/english major, but that could change any day. I have loved Liz since I was in high school. I bought a CD on a whim, heard a couple friends talking about it and got EIG. I didn't like it the first time through, but soon after it hardly came out of my CD player. it's been like that ever since. She has such talent it still blows my mind. Well, this is a long enough post for me right now. Someone Let me know about the CD's. Have a nice holiday. Alisha ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 23:21:36 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Webb Subject: Random Thoughts Hello all, Just some responses to current topics. Topic #1: As for the, "What single will make Liz big and famous?" thread, be careful what you ask for because you just may get it. Take it from somebody who is a Smashing Pumpkins fan from the early Gish days and who is a Dave Matthews Band fan from the Remember Two Things days. Fame is cool in that there's more stuff out there and it forces the artists to put out more stuff, but mainly they seem to crank out songs to fill around singles instead of putting together a really good, cohesive album.------"It's nice to be liked, but it's better by far to get paid." Topic #2: It's not YouFest. It's not UsFest. It's MeFest------"I look around and feel that there just isn't a place here for me. I look around and feel like somebody must be fucking with me." Topic #3: As for topics like end of year favorites and other slightly related Liz topics, how about if we post those by themselves with no other discussion in the post. That way, if you're interested, you can read them and if you are not interested, it's real easy to move on to the next post.------"All the bridges blown away keep floating up." Topic #4: As just a general comment, please, please, please stop the jabbing. I look forward to my Support System Digest every day and it's very disappointing when I open it up to bickering over Alanis' ass or bootleg CD selling(Yes, I agree with Jase.), etc.------"I can see the Russian Army rolling through my head. On one side of me lies the enemy. The other half is dead." Topic #5: Just a general shout out of love to the list, because despite the Russian Army, it's still pretty close to a "Perfect World". Thanks for all the friendship that's been sent my way from various new friends. You know which ones you are.------"I feel the sun on my back. I smell the earth in my skin. I see the sky above me like a full recovery." Late, I'm out, Josh Webb(Complicated Communicator) p.s. I'm in trouble the next time I need to quote from something.------"I can't get out of what I'm into." == "And it feels like I've got something to prove But in some ways, it's just something to do"-Liz Phair "I can be a complicated communicator"-Liz Phair "This is the movie of a screenplay of a book about a girl who meets a junkie."-Sheryl Crow _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 02:25:41 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: We're off to see the Wizard of #95 Um, since I noticed there has been a popular trend of many people burning cds for everyone on the list. I just wanted to say that you all are way too nice! For some reason, I always want to send money to help pay for getting the cds, but you kindly refuse. sniff sniff...how nice! ():*) *big Spaceegg Hugs for them* So, we're walking down the aisles to digest number 95. hmmmmm..... *spaceggy experience* HUH?! *scratches head* I went to Ticketmaster's on-line thingy and found this: <> What leaves me stumped is the 1999 date! Geez! Ticketbastards is the right name to call them huh? Oh well, me still have my fingers crossed for a Florida date. "I'm going to be a wheel someday, I'm going to be somebody," Sheryl Crow. Chuck: <> I keep looking and can't find it. I thought I saw this info at MTV.com, but I haven't seen it there for the past couple of times I've been there. I keep looking in my tv listings every week since I know when the show airs. Will post if I see it. sigh....me wanna see that show! Sara: <> I didn't like this song at first, but it's starting to grow on me. I'll offer any help you might need on the lyrics. ();) Jase, take it easy! I wish I could give you a big hug! You're doing a fabulous job of letting us being here! Big round of applause to him please! *APPLAUSE* Yikes! The "yo quiero" trend! hehehe! I don't know why, but I had this strangest vision of where I designed, built and operated a Spaceegg roller coaster ride. Of course, there's only one option of what kind of music that would be playing! ();) Geez! Spaceegg Girl needs a break from all of these coolio ideas! Katie ():D P.S. Is there anyone out there who could please make me a copy of Fuck and Run on cd? Hopefully we can arrange some good trade or something. Or I'll just box myself up and deliver myself to your house and give you a big Spaceeggy hug! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 02:32:58 -0800 From: Beau Subject: cockypock and selfishness "Chris DeLisle" wrote: >Subject: > >On the Liz front, file under: "utter selfishness," I was wondering if >anybody out there could help me out with putting the following songs on a >tape for me: > >Rocket Boy >Hurricane Cindy >Greased Lightning >Carnivore >The Tra-La-La-La Song OK, I've got "Rocket Boy," "Hurricane Cindy" and the "Tra-La-La-La Song" (I also have "Don't Have Time" and "The Six Dick Pimp") and know of "Carnivore," but this is the first I've heard of "Greased Lightning." What's this? Is this from "First Love, Last Rites?" BEAU http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Boardwalk/5812/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 09:58:03 PST From: "Vanessa Salazar" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #94 In regards to Drew Bell who was seriously DENIED in the way of seeing Liz live, I say this: I feel your pain. A friend and I went to see her in Dallas, TX and found a darkened club, locked doors, not even a handwritten sign! There were five or six bewildered looking people standing around in front wondering what was going on. A friend of mine at the local paper said he had gotten a message over the wire saying the show had been "postponed" but so far there has been no information on when it will be rescheduled. Does ANYONE have ANY clue at all why this is happening? I love Liz and all, don't get me wrong, but if you sign a contract with a record label YOU WILL TOUR. It's scripture almost, you sign to the beast you have to feed it as well. -Vanessa ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:03:58 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #94 At 09:58 AM 11/27/98 PST, "Vanessa Salazar" wrote: >In regards to Drew Bell who was seriously DENIED in the way of seeing >Liz live, I say this: I feel your pain. A friend and I went to see her >in Dallas, TX and found a darkened club, locked doors, not even a >handwritten sign! There were five or six bewildered looking people >standing around in front wondering what was going on. A friend of mine >at the local paper said he had gotten a message over the wire saying the >show had been "postponed" but so far there has been no information on >when it will be rescheduled. Does ANYONE have ANY clue at all why this >is happening? I love Liz and all, don't get me wrong, but if you sign a >contract with a record label YOU WILL TOUR. It's scripture almost, you >sign to the beast you have to feed it as well. Not to be too critical here, but the postponements have been well-known to those who have been keeping up with the list. Several of us have always made sure to post about dates that have been announced, as well as dates that have been cancelled. The club, promotors and the local press in each city should be making more of an effort to get the word out about the postponements, though. I believe someone said that another one of Liz's shows that was scheduled to happen this week was being promoted right up until last weekend. Meanwhile, the postponements were announced weeks ago. All this being said, if you do sign a contract with a record label, it does not mean that you have to tour. Many bands don't, and even Liz told Gerard Cosloy (co-president of Matador) that she did not want to tour the day he first met her. Also, I see that Matador has taken a lot of flack on the list for the postponements and cancellations, but they are not to blame at all. They do not book Liz's shows for her; they just pass the word along as they receive word of them happening (or, lately, not happening). Liz's shows are booked by an outside agency, and as a list member found out about the Columbus show that had been cancelled, Liz didn't even know anything about the show until after it was booked. Obviously there was some kind of conflict, and Liz had to unfortunately cancel a show that shouldn't have been booked in the first place, which could have happened again here. Gerard told me that Matador is frustated about this too, and that they are very sorry for the inconvenience this has caused Liz's fans. He said that in both cases, the November and December dates were confirmed relatively late, and he's not sure why the November dates were cancelled, other than that there may have been some concerns about the dates not making sense when the next radio single wouldn't be coming out for a while yet, and that the same decision might have been made in relation to the December dates, but no one really knows for sure. A day after I had received Gerard's email about this, he posted a message on the Matador Bulletin Board stating that the dates had been postponed due to a combination of personal reasons and scheduling conflicts. Personally, I can understand why last night's show in particular was cancelled. Liz probably wanted to spend Thanksgiving with her family, not away from home performing somewhere. I really don't think she means it as anything personal against us fans, but think about what choice you would make if you were her. No matter how much she appreciates her fans and likes to perform, she's going to want to be with her husband and son. And what about the rest of her band members? I'm sure they would prefer being with their families as well. About the rest of the dates, maybe Liz just wants to take a break. What many people seem to be forgetting is that between Lilith Fair and her own tour, Liz has probably performed more shows this year than all previous years combined. She's also made the rounds of the talk show circuit, done a ton of press for the album, made the "Polyester Bride" video, and taped the 'Sessions at West 54th' program. Likely she's feeling a little burnt out by it all; I doubt she's had much of a break all year. The new album is scheduled to be released overseas in January, so she'll have to do another round of promotion then as well. If the dates that had been scheduled for now were taking place, she really wouldn't have a lot of time to recoup at all before going right back at it. Also, Liz has said in interviews that it's hard for her to have to leave Nick and go out on the road. She might feel like she's neglecting him and wants to spend more time at home with him. Again, while she appreciates her fans, her family has to come first. Also, I must honestly ask, what does Liz owe us anyway? She put out another amazing album this year, and she's also played a lot more shows than we've seen from her in the past. I hate to say this, but when the word came about that the album was almost finished, I never would have imagined Liz taking on Lilith, let alone doing so much touring on her own. I'm really grateful that she has, and I do hope that everyone who hasn't seen her yet but wants to will get their chance. I just think that we should consider ourselves lucky that we've gotten so much already. It seems obvious to me that this album really must mean a lot to Liz, for her to work so hard to promote it, while taking away so much of her time with her family. While I don't like how the shows have been announced and cancelled a week or two later, and how this has happened twice now, we really don't know if Liz is to blame. It could just be her management again booking shows for her that she's not ready to play. I'm sure that Liz does feel bad about it, but if she needs to cancel dates, there's probably a good reason for it. I really don't think it's being done on a whim. Anyway, just my two cents. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:35:33 EST From: PokaDot420@aol.com Subject: places to buy boots in atl *anyone know of any good places in atlanta to buy tori imports, bootlegs, *etc?? :) if you go to criminal records in little 5' points, they usually have at least 15 or 20 diffrent tori boots, and other hard to find stuff, wax n facts in little 5' also has a good selection of singles, and also iv heard that tower records (somewhere in atl) has a decent bootleg selection, well i hope that this is a little help to you. toddless, lil' blue girl* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 16:02:44 EST From: PhairDanes@aol.com Subject: liz in music choice i was hanging out in the bookstore today (so nerdy hehe) and as i was scanning through the shelf of magazines, a pair of blue eyes jumped out at me. i knew it had to be liz. and it was! our liz on the cover of music choice (i had never heard of it but what do i care- a liz cover!). its actually a pretty dull magazine but its got a nice long liz interview and pics. whee! sara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 15:20:59 -0600 From: palik@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: Can't Get Out of What I'm Into [etc.] I think Liz wrote it from the perspective of a male prostitute who is currently "dating" women because they pay better, but who is disturbed by the banter of his female clients so he'd really rather go back to doing men. Liz apparently spent some time in San Francisco (Go West, Batmobile) living the post-college bohemian life (between-songs patter on some bootleg indicates that she indulged until her money ran out so she had to move back in with her parents in Chicago, where she then wrote Girlysounds), and I think her songs (Can't Get Out of What I'm Into, Money/Shitloads of Money, Willie the Six Dick Pimp) hint that she once knew some folks who made their money that way, or at least that the subject has crossed her mind enough to write a few songs about it. Can't Get Out of What I'm Into is one of my favorite non-album Liz songs, I'm always happy when that guitar riff gets rolling. Liz is an amazing songwriter and performer. I wish she and whoever at her record companies who has the Girlysounds 4-track masters would put out a professionally-done version on CD as an historical document. Please please please. I know we fans would gobble it up. I hate the Patrick Oltraver CD varsion with its so-called "digital noise-reduction" mix; he really did a _horrendous_ job so I only listen to Jason's tape tree version, hiss and all as it is many generations from the original 4-track Liz recorded. But I suppose Liz may want to redo some of them on albums in the future just as she has on the past 3 albums, so I'm not holding my breath. Don ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:05:10 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: My dream set list (about time!) Ohk! After having a Liz marathon today, listening to her for six hours straight and am still listening to her at this minute. Here's my dream set list: 1. Beginning to See the Light - I think this would make a great opener. Just imagine her standing center stage with the lights dimmed and then they slowly come on. ;) 2. Soap Star Joe 3. What Makes You Happy 4. Nashville 5. Whipsmart - Girlysounds version PLEASE! 6. Mesmerizing - this song brings me to tears for some reason. It's how she sings it I guess. 7. Fuck and Run 8. Perfect World 9. Supernova 10. Dance of the Seven Veils - again, I love the version where the audience is singing along to this song! Encores: Hurricane Cindy Divorce Song - a classic dude! My nominees: Canary, Flower, Support System, Turning Japanese, South Dakota, 6'1".....errrrrrrgggg! anything and everything from EIG and WCSE! I think the sugar is starting to take effect on me now! Now, can I start a trendy question? How about: Which song(s) of Liz's do you consider a classic? With me, everytime Divorce Song comes on, I always yell: "Oh yeah! A classic man!" Others: Dance of the Seven Veils, Fuck and Run. Hmmm....just curious, is there anyone on this list who has a Liz marathon practically everyday? If so, how long has it been going on? With me, I've been listening to Liz since August and it's been non-stop baby! Ohk, the sugar is really getting through! hehe! I hope those who wanted a pen have sent their $9, or will soon cuz I'm eager to put in the order. I've received the money from two people so far. Whatever happened to the card we were doing? Is that still going or no? Before I go and have a mess of fun, could Laura S. please email me! I have a question for you! Michael S, I sent the WCSE import thingy in the mail today. Katie ():) P.S. Yikes! I noticed that there's two "shaving" songs close together! Oh well, I'll sneak in some whip cream and cream everyone around me. It's safer to use that than shaving cream. hmmmm... *eyes the person standing next to me* "And how are you tonight sir?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 22:38:22 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: WANTED: My Big Tall Man! Sorry! I know this is my third post for the day, but I just added the cutest, funniest thing to my page! Go check it out! http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Birdland/9820/lizphair.html Many thanks to MrE! Katie ():D ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #95 ***********************************