From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #88 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, November 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 088 Today's Subjects: ----------------- alanis ["Jennifer Sayler" ] aspire to mesmerizing-will settle for mesmerized... [MrE ] flummoxed [MrE ] Don't give up everyone [AngelLieb@aol.com] One more thing [AngelLieb@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V1 #87 ["M.L. Magdalene" ] Singers to watch for.. [Dan ] A few things [Matt Schulz ] Liz in Toronto, 10/20/98 (Part Two) [Jason Long ] phairities ["robert joyner" ] Catpower ["martina feichtinger" ] Liz Bootlegs [Josh Webb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:27:43 -0600 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: alanis Well, after reading everything that has been said about alanis' latest video, I jsut wanted to add my two cents. I am not an alanis fan, and I do not like her naked video. But, its not that I dont approve of her um body or whatver, but i just dont want to see anybody naked on tv, if I wanted to see somebody's ass, I would go and rent a porno or look at my own in the mirror. So I dont think people are saying they dont want to see alanis naked, but they dont really want to see any singers naked when they are just trying to chill and see some videos. Well that is my take on this subject and the end of me ever thinking about alanis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious" - Liz Phair http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/lizphair.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:07:41 -0800 From: MrE Subject: aspire to mesmerizing-will settle for mesmerized... jennie s- while i can and do appreciate your words on the genderazation problem, i think i either mis-wrote or was misread...never-the-less, please be assured that my only complaint with ms morissette was the incredulous serving of disrespect she administered to her fans at the palladium in lost angels...the ass thread originated elsewhere. with regard to the female coming of age problems, i want to go on very public record by saying that if anyone reading this has (calm down, its not an accusation) victimized or aspires to victimize a child (in particular female in that there can be repercussions not usually found in male victims), do something really heinous to yourself just prior to lodging that slug in your brain. and if you cannot do it, come over to my place, i think arrangements can be made. someone very close to me will be discharged from a month long stay in a nearby mental facility this coming saturday-the sixth stay in two years. and while it is ridiculous for me to 'tell' you how it really feels to be female in america, enough of the feel has rubbed off on me to know what the purity of evil can do to a life. 'have a clue'? there's a dialog in 'one fine day' in which george (male, successful, judged on his appearance) clooney says to michelle (female, successful, judged on her appearance) pfeiffer, "well, guess what? i'm not like every other man you know" to which she replies the same sentiment, replacing male with female. my point is this some non gender-bigot males around, having strong beliefs, that object to being included in the 'all men are pigs' recipe...and this is to address KATE's post as well...(and as far as i recall, my comment that included both alanis and as was to refer to her as 'alamass', which is NOT a reference to physical appearance but to a lacking of common sense, something i am qualified to comment on...) apologies for the diatribe...it's a tender subject and i sincerely hope it to be a subject some will rethink their opinions of. AND, i am an equal opportunity offender as apt to satirize my own fat ass as anyone's. no, that's satirize...not sanitize. nuff said. please...except for this, anyone who loves 'the jerk' is welcome in the MrE Manor, and you can bring your little dog shithead too. mark- i had to laugh at your KISS story, my story was similar but involved Led Zeppelin, my absolute favorite band from my teens and three concert cancellations. devestating as a kid and probably a contributing factor to the ruin of my present demeanor...de older i get, demeanor i become... katie...katie brown...i wanna go. can i get a ride? and lastly maybe, mr. joseph alfonsi, i know way more about you now than ever before, not to mention ever needed to know, uh...even if i, um, did mention it. MrE ::::::::::::::::::sophie_b::::::::::::::::::::::: and i could go away...but i don't wanna ::::::::::::::good_again_ok?:::::::::::::::: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 01:11:52 -0800 From: MrE Subject: aka peace MrE the dog of l.a. (lest i should forget...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 02:29:48 -0800 From: MrE Subject: flummoxed melissa- were you able to locate anything that remotely resembled a song list.? i say many many things ...but i really would like to know what i'm buying first... a side note...if you are so inclined, you can pick up "black biscuit's new video and pocket biscuit's new video release". i guess the new pocket vid is called release? and didn't these people need an awful lot of personal information just to sell me a disc? including for some unknown and unfathomable reason, gender... peace MrE the dog of l.a. :::::::::::::::::::sophie_b:::::::::::::::::::::: and i could go away...but i don't wanna :::::::::::::::::::hawkins::::::::::::::::::::::: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 06:15:15 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Don't give up everyone Just wanted to drop a note to everyone to not give up about Liz's touring schedule. I'm still hoping that she'll come to Florida. You're so lucky that she even got scheduled in your town or a town near you. Florida must suck cuz we miss out on a lot of cool stuff sometimes. Also, a thought came to my head that maybe she wanted to take some time off to spend time with her family. Katie ();) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:47:14 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: One more thing Earlier, I wrote: << Also, a thought came to my head that maybe she wanted to take some time off to spend time with her family. >> Isn't Nick's birthday coming up soon? This thought came into my mind during the day. Katie ():) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:59:27 PST From: "M.L. Magdalene" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #87 I finally heard pj harvey the other night while I was babysitting. the father works for BMG so he had a crazy cd collection. Is this desire? was sitting out so I listened to it all night. He actually gave it to me when I told him how much I liked it. So now I can't stop listening to it. Now I want her other ones, except I am soooo broke. I would love to trade some liz tapes to anyone who would tape me pj's old ones. I highly reccomend "Rid of Me" and "To Bring you My Love" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:55:37 -0500 From: Dan Subject: oh ya... Hmmm...the year is coming to a close.. once again, time to start compiling that : "THE BEST/WORST OF 1998 MUSIC" list...gonna be tuff..this was a pretty eventful year. Every damn artist under the sun put something out, it seems..anyway, just thought I would mention that..I love seeing lists of things...go figure. sorting my 1998 CDs, Dan. **************************************************** "Crash and burn, all the stars explode tonight." -Hole. **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 12:55:37 -0500 From: Dan Subject: Singers to watch for.. I just noticed that many people are plugging their personal favorite singers (other than Liz)lately, probably started with the "Stuck on an Island Top 5 pix" thread, which personally, I loved!! anyway, I noticed some promotion for Jen Trynin, Ben Lee and a bunch of other bands, that I am not really sure I know or not...but thanks to this list, I finally picked up JEN TRYNIN's "Gun Shy Trigger Happy" which I have fallen in love with!! All the hype is true!! This is an amazing album - totally surpassed my expectations. This list also introduced me to another amazing band, Sleater-Kinney...which I bought "DIg Me Out" and I am completely blown away by the entire thing...for sure going to look into more Sleater-kinney in the near future, and I just got Jen's album 3 days ago, but I am warming up fast... I just wanna plug a great band now too...I have before, but I figure I might as well do it again, since there are like, 100 times more people on the list now. The band is EVE's PLUM, most of us LIZ fans will be a bit familiar with them from the HIGHER LEARNING sntrk, (which has Liz's wonderful:"DON't HAve TIME"). Eve's Plum has the song "EYE" on that soundtrack, which is unreleased otherwise..a great song, and their albums are even better...the first album "ENVY" is my personal favorite now,(by this band, that is) it is a bit heavier, guitar music, kind of raw...but the lead singer "Colleen Fitzpatrick" has the most amazing, strong vocals I've heard in a long time. Their second album "Cherry ALive" is much more poppier, but still heavy on guitar...it just has a much more polished sound...it kind of has the "Veruca Salt: 8 Arms To Hold You" sound, but the lyrics are amazing...either album is a great find..and it is a shame, because I heard this band has called it quits - BUT BUT BUT!! Colleen, the singer, has been semi-signed to I forget which company, so there should be something from her in the near future..I suggest everyone keep an eye out, because this girl is going to go somewhere...with a voice like hers, it would be a damn waste if she didn't. Also, they are a bit more popular anyway, having a few hits, but the band the TOADIES is sooo worth checking out...their album "RUBBERNECK" is probably my second favorite of all time...the entire album is made up of stories..it is another example of a writer who has a true gift at blunt-out, story telling, not so much poetic, just straight forward, cut your heart out emotion put into every story...I mean chapter..i mean song. I swear, after I listen to this album (which is almost as much as Exile In Guyville) I feel like I just got finished watching a great movie, or reading a great book. Total satisfaction - guaranteed or you money back. kidding!!! :) BUt, it is a guy singer, heavier music and he discusses everything from being obsessed with an old love, to the point of stalking her, His own minister father and the impact that had on him (if you thought Tori had some issues....whoa..) and the birth and death of Mankind itself..I swear, this album has it all..hell - even an instrumental track!!! You can just tell, the way he gets into his songs, vocally and lyrically, and musically, he puts so much into the songs, the entire band does..they seem so tight and with it..Unforutnately, there last real album was released in 1994 (sounds familiar, doesn't it?) and I guess they FINALLY are in the process of mixing the new one, which I am dying for, it is most likely going to be my highlight of 1999.. anyway, enuff of my advertising...just thought I would share some of my personal favorites..but when it comes to Eve's Plum and Toadies (especially the Toadies) I just can't shut up. oh ya - gonna check out Ben Lee too...I really like his voice, so I might pick up an album...any suggestions? able to drive a car, Dan. **************************************************** "Crash and burn, all the stars explode tonight." -Hole. **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 09:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Schulz Subject: A few things Hey, everyone. I've done a little revamping -- kind of a streamlining, I guess -- of The Glory of Liz Phair (http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Frontrow/5064/) in the past couple of days. Making it easier to find new stuff. More prevalent navigation. Smaller thumbnails. Etc... Just general stuff to make it easier to use and get around. If y'all could take a look and tell me if it sucks or whatever, I'd greatly appreciate it. Also, all this Courtney Love talk on the digest got me thinking. I think that when all is said and done that Liz will be a bigger musical influence than Ms. Love will. Lord knows, Courtney sold more records and had a bigger media splash, but I think Liz broke more ground than Courtney did. Maybe it'll be a Velvet Underground sort of thing for Liz -- you know, never sold huge numbers of records, but tons of major (and not-so-major) artists list them as an influence. I don't know. Maybe I'm totally nuts. Just a thought. == Matt Schulz schulz52@yahoo.com - ----------- "Speak out sometimes. And try to win" - -- REM, Perfect Circle _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:28:53 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Liz in Toronto, 10/20/98 (Part Two) I arrived at MuchMusic a little before noon and, taking a look around, tried to determine what my best vantage point might be. I figured that it would be nice if I could try to catch a glimpse of Liz entering the studios when she arrived, yet it was possible that she might already have. The MuchMusic studios are surrounded by full-length glass windows, outside of which crowds routinely gather to look in at what's going on inside. I tried to determine where the greatest amount of activity seemed to be taking place in the studio, guessing that that would be where the action would be, and figuring out where to be to get the best view. This would be my spot to view the interview from -- if I wasn't able to get inside. I knew that quite often MuchMusic would allow people off of the street into their studios to watch artists being interviewed or performing, and although this usually was reserved for programs like 'Intimate and Interactive,' I figured it would be worth a shot to see if I could get in. I went to the reception desk in the Chum/City lobby (this being the building which houses MuchMusic, City-TV, the Canadian version of Bravo!, and a couple of other stations) and asked if they would be letting anyone in to watch Liz's interview. The receptionist told me that she really had no idea and asked someone from security who was standing nearby. I was then told that it was decided on a case-by-case basis and they wouldn't know until just before the interview. I was told I should wait around outside and they would send someone out to let me know. I didn't know whether to be hopeful or if this was just their standard response, and turning to leave, thanked both the receptionist and security guard. I had been planning on buying a disposable camera later that afternoon to take pictures at the show, figuring that if I did get caught and it were to get confiscated, it'd be no big loss, unlike if I had brought my own camera or borrowed one. I figured that I might want to get one now, in case I was able to get in to watch the interview. Even if I didn't, I could still hopefully take some pictures from outside and have them turn out well. I found a convenience store just up the street that had some Funsavers in stock, picked out one with a flash and bought it, along with the pack of gum I had been desperate for earlier on the bus. I was actually quite hungry, but instead of stopping to get something, wanted to head right back in case anything happened. Back outside of MuchMusic, I was once again peering in the windows while killing time. I hoped to catch a glimpse of Liz if she had already arrived, and in case she hadn't, would keep turning and looking around me, hoping to see her. At one point, I felt a tap on my shoulder, and hoping it would be someone from security, turned around quickly only to find an acquaintance of mine who worked nearby and was on his lunch break. "How did I know you would be here?" he asked me. "Any sign of her yet?" I told him no, and we talked for a couple of minutes before he left. Even casual acquaintances know what a huge Liz fan I am, which I always find amusing. Around this time, I found a couple of other fans waiting, and they asked me if I knew what time Liz was scheduled to be interviewed. I told them one o'clock, but they didn't want to wait for nearly another half-hour. They said they were going to go somewhere and then come back, but I didn't see them at all after that. I was getting impatient to find out whether they would be letting anyone in or not, so after waiting another few minutes, I went and asked if a decision had been made. I was told that one hadn't, but I should check back in a few minutes. I was sure they could tell how much it meant to me, but even so, I had to say it. After all, I figured a little pleading couldn't hurt the cause. "We can't make any promises," I was told, but the tone of voice seemed hopeful and reassuring. I kept thinking to myself that even if they didn't let anyone in, I should be happy just to watch Liz being interviewed from outside, and that should be thrill enough, seeing as if I'd decided to take a later bus down, I wouldn't have even been anywhere nearby at all. A glimpse of Liz would be icing on the cake; I knew I'd have the time of my life at the show that night, why should I ask for anything more? That should be enough for anyone. I waited out those few minutes before heading back into the building to ask again. I figured this time I'd at least know one way or the other, since the interview would be taking place shortly. I was told that the decision still hadn't been made, and that the interview was delayed and would probably take place closer to 2. This time, I was told again that they would send someone out to tell me, if I wanted to wait. I said that I did, and again gave my thanks. Both the receptionist and security seemed friendier each time. Initially I had figured that it probably really wouldn't happen, but now they seemed to be wearing down. Looking inside the glass windows long enough, it was only a matter of time before someone looked out, which I found happening every so often. This time, however, it was different. It wasn't just another member of the production staff, but one of the MuchMusic VJs, Bill Welychka. He had just been on-air, and after they cut to some videos, he looked out. He is known as a huge fan of Liz, and noticing the Liz Phair shirt (one of the old ones from the Guyville list) I was wearing, pointed at it and gave me a look of approval. I was a little surprised, but nodded back, likely grinning like an idiot. Soon after, I noticed Bill talking to a member of the MuchMusic staff, who had noticed me earlier and was now glancing my way every so often. I didn't know what to make of it, and was trying not to let myself get my hopes up. Almost simultaneously two things happened: The woman Bill was talking to gestured for me to go to the lobby doors, while someone from security was already on his way out to bring me in. I couldn't believe it -- I was in! There were several other people waiting outside as well, but they weren't being ushered in, only me. I couldn't believe my luck! I was waiting in the lobby when the lady from MuchMusic's staff -- I never really caught it for sure, but I believe she was a producer -- came to get me and led me into the studio. I babbled out a very profusive thank you, telling her how much this meant to me. She seemed really amused by how in awe of the situation I was, and told me that since they hadn't really planned on letting anyone in, they didn't really have a place set up for people to sit. She then led me to the desk of a staff member where I could sit to watch the interview, before heading off. I was really quite overwhelmed at this point, looking around and trying to comprehend the fact that I would soon be watching Liz be interviewed. The whole idea of it seemed completely surreal. Two staff members who had noticed me at the window earlier were carrying on a conversation nearby, and I overheard one say to another, "So, the kid managed to make it in!" It didn't sound derogatory in any way, she seemed sincerely happy for me. I was so thrilled at this point that I didn't even mind being called a kid, which at 21, I'm definitely not. I had turned the chair so that its back was to the desk. I had done this noticing the two chairs that had been set up about ten feet away from me, where the interview was obviously going to take place. There was a lot of activity going on all around me, but it was hard for me to take anything in. I did notice a few things, though. The studio was a lot darker than I had expected it to be, it always seemed much brighter on TV. Also, I marvelled at the set-up: staff members' desks, editing bays, and the studio itself all shared the space, which seemed a lot smaller than it appears on TV. I guess that should have registered in all the time I have spent watching MuchMusic over the years, but somehow it hadn't. I thought that the interview wouldn't be taking place for a while longer, given what I had been told earlier. It was just before 1:15 at this point, and I was wondering how I would make it through the next forty-five minutes. I need not have worried, though. I overheard someone saying that Liz would be on after the next commercial break, which was coming up after the current video was over. At this point, I still hadn't caught any glimpse of Liz, but she obviously couldn't be too far away. It seemed almost unreal to me that I would soon be watching Liz get interviewed -- it was just too good to be true. Before I had any time to think about it any further, I caught some movement in the corner of my eye, and turning my head, I saw Liz heading towards the chairs where the interview would take place. Maybe it's because I obviously didn't look like a MuchMusic employee and wasn't attending to any sort of business, but Liz seemed to sense my presence immediately and the fact that I was watching her. She looked right at me, caught sight of my shirt, looked back up and flashed me that killer smile of hers, while giving me a "right on" kind of look. Can we say "sensory overload?" There's no other way I can express what I was feeling. So much happened in those few short seconds that it was almost too much to take in. Bill Welychka and Liz both got settled into their chairs, with Liz clipping on her mic for the interview. I tried not to stare too much, but found I was unable to help myself. I heard someone saying that they had nine minutes for the segment, which struck me as being a little short. I didn't want it all to be over so soon. They came out of the commercial break with a clip of Liz performing "Polyester Bride" at one of the Toronto Lilith Fair dates from August. Liz turned to watch herself on the monitor, remarking that she had never seen herself play live before. She seemed really amused by the footage, like she was having fun watching it. The interview then started, with Bill asking Liz about her experiences on the Lilith tour. I thought it was a great question to begin with, since Liz has mentioned in a lot of recent interviews that taking part in Lilith was one of the highlights of her career. It was obviously something Liz loved talking about and a great way of getting her to open up. Liz seemed completely at ease and comfortable. I know that it has been mentioned on the list that it seems like Liz is a little nervous during her TV appearances, but this was clearly not the case. Maybe it only extends to when she is performing, because she really seemed to be enjoying herself during the interview. I will say, though, that Liz was a little fidgety at the very start of the interview, but it didn't seem like a manifestation of nervousness. She played with her hair a bit, then at one point, turned her head and looked over at where I was sitting. From that point onwards, she seemed completely focused, though. I, on the other hand, wasn't doing so well. I was trying my damnedest to focus on every word being said, but I couldn't stop thinking to myself, "Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God!" Normally I'm not one to get starstruck, but I couldn't help it. Liz's music has meant so much to me for such a long time, then to be only ten feet away from her.... My heart was racing, and I was sitting there literally shaking. As the interview progressed, I was thankfully able to relax a bit. Early on in the interview, Liz mentioned that she had trouble getting through customs at the border, which would explain why she was late for the interview. She also said that she always gets detained, and she wondered what exactly it was that us Canadians thought Americans were trying to sneak in to our country (she also made a similar comment that night at the show). While it's hard for me to recall now what all was discussed during the interview, I do remember some of the key things Liz said. She talked about how she's more comfortable playing live and really enjoys it now. She also said that while she was away, she really paid no attention to the music business, and that that was important in order for her to be able to write songs again. Another thing she mentioned was that it was important to her to be honest in her songwriting. One thing that I found really interesting was when she said that before she never really sought out her career and had it kind of happen to her, while now she's actively seeking it out and taking the steps to make it happen herself. She really did seem quite enthusiastic about her career now; it came across that she's enjoying it more this time. Towards the end of the interview, Bill asked her about the songs on the new album that she had written from a male point-of-view. Liz told about how she is always trying to figure out what men are thinking, and how she decided to write as a man for some songs because that was what she was feeling. She also commented that being an Aries makes her "the most male female in the zodiac," which I thought was really interesting. From there, they wrapped up the interview. Bill mentioned that Liz would be playing at the Opera House that night, then introduced the "Polyester Bride" video. Once the video was playing, Bill and Liz continued to talk for a bit off-camera. I wanted to go over and approach Liz, but grateful to even be there, definitely did not want to cut in on their conversation. The woman who had led me into the studio came over to me and said she would try to find something that Liz could sign so that I could get an autograph. I thanked her, but told her not to worry about it, that I already had something for Liz to sign. Finally there was a lapse in Bill and Liz's conversation. I was standing now, but making no move. Liz looked over my way and smiled. I took this as a sign that it was safe to approach. How I managed to take those few steps and not trip over my own feet is beyond me, but there I was, face to face with Liz Phair. (to be continued -- I'm such a tease... ;) ) Jase ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 15:40:26 PST From: "robert joyner" Subject: phairities anyone out there have a copy of phairities that i could get a copy of? i have other liz stuff to trade for it. pottymouth, girlysounds, fuck n run, the avalon 98 show, shelved demos, all on tape. if you are interested please e-mail me. robert joyner robnashville@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:41:28 +0100 From: "martina feichtinger" Subject: Catpower okay, i heard an interview with catpower this week and by listening to it i found out some pretty interesting things. i don't know if most of you already know , but i thought i'd post it anyway: catpower (the singer) had a band (was in a band) a couple of years ago - she played the guitar - but then quit making music.......until a friend of hers booked a club and had a newspaper print that catpower would play there a certain night. the friend showed the paper to - whatever her name is - "catpower" and so she felt she had to play there since it was announced in the newspaper, even though she wasn't prepared at all. anyway, she did the concert - by herself as far as I know (singing and guitar). two days later a guy from matador called her and asked if she wanted to play before liz phair a week later......which, of course, she did. (that was when liz had her exile-tour) and there was also a connection to steve (I forgot his last name) from sonic youth who is playing drums (I think) for catpower now as well. well, 'just thought i'd share that with you guys.......... if somebody knows more about catpower, please, let me know i'd be very interested.. one more thing, does anyone else (except me) just love those connections between musicians???? (like for example the whole breeders - kim deal - the amps - tanya donnelly - belly - gail greenwood (the guitarist) - L7 - throwing muses - kristin hersh - michael stipe............connection) I always get really excited when i find out a new "connection" (collaboration, whatever you wanna call it) cya, martina. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Webb Subject: Liz Bootlegs Hello all, I just received my first two bootlegs of the '98 shows and all I have to say is, "Wow!!!!". It's amazing how much she has improved between WS and wcse. Her poise is greatly improved. She sounds better. The songs have taken on a whole new character. Being in Orlando, I don't get to see Liz. (This topic has been covered in great length on this list and will continue to until Liz shuts us up and comes down here.) Since I can't see her, the next best thing is getting the boots. Anybody who's interested in trading Liz boots, let me know. I would say especially '98 shows, but that's kind of unnecessary since I'll trade for anything I don't have. For anybody interested in trading, I have my list at: http://www.angelfire.com/fl/layeroffilm/tapelist.html As for the tape trees, I can't wait. I'm climbing up on the tree and grabbing a branch. To Kenneth Lee: My two bucks is on the way and if you think it's going to come up very short on the money for the tapes, let us know. I'd be glad to chip in a little more if that's what we need to do. Keep the boots coming, Late, I'm out, Josh Webb == "And it feels like I've got something to prove But in some ways, it's just something to do"-Liz Phair "I can be a complicated communicator"-Liz Phair "This is the movie of a screenplay of a book about a girl who meets a junkie."-Sheryl Crow _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #88 ***********************************