From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #82 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, November 16 1998 Volume 01 : Number 082 Today's Subjects: ----------------- you go urlfriend! [MrE ] oh my, only 5? ["Jennifer Sayler" ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] remember the seether? ["Ian Cunningham" ] somewhere to sink a stone [The New Zero ] Re: you go urlfriend! [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] If I Were Stuck On An Island [Juvenilia@aol.com] 'in the days of my youth i was told...and told...and' [MrE ] 5 CDs, profile ["Connolly, Michael EMC RSG" ] Some added thoughts [Jason Long ] Denver 12/13? [Syrup@concentric.net] tapes, my profile=i'm boring [Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David)] Responses to #81(cont.) [AngelLieb@aol.com] Digital Liz in Chicago [Daniel Osborne ] My top five albums [Beau ] Re: Desert-island discs [Daniel Osborne ] I'M DONE WITH MY PAGE! [AngelLieb@aol.com] d.c. show [brat1978@juno.com (Fred Neutz)] island picks... ["George Song" ] Re: My top five albums ["j. Davila" ] funky liz dream and party in Dallas ["Jorge (George) Cooper" Subject: you go urlfriend! culled from alt.fan.liz-phair: >Could everyone please stop cross-posting this thread to >alt.fan.liz-phair? No one from this newsgroup is even taking part in >this discussion... >Thanks, >Jase and someone said you weren't shit, and i looked her right in the eye and said 'he is to shit'...you need some help brother, you just call us up and make hawkeye our bitch! (poor taste-almost sorry) and this just has to be posted! possibly the best namesake ever to be attached to a band (or anything else for that matter): appearing live ( i guess as opposed to dead/dying?) at non other than the 'Keyclub', reknowned for nothing other than being another dumpy, bacterial breeding lost angels venue, will be: PENUS FLYTRAP how about that!?! appearing on the same bill as openers will be the incredulous 'kommunity fk'. i beg your pardon! i did not make this up! - -katie- put me down as lusting for a wcse poster, whatever size you work out...a pen? i'm real partial to stickers. i've never counted, but there must be a hundred or more stickers adhered to my rear three windows. and lastly maybe, which raggedy ass wanna be pollster placed the smashed pumpkins ahead of what-eig?-as a more important recording? was this the same poll that placed hole's 'celebrity skin' in the top ten but failed to mention 'live thru this', one of the best of the best? did i make this up? i'm done. fried like a space egg head... peace MrE ::riff_raff::columbia;:magenta:: lets do the time warp again! ...it's just a jump to the left ::narrator::the_transylvanians:: (i didn't write the fn credits!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 00:50:32 -0600 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: oh my, only 5? Well, I have been thinking, and if I were ever to become stuck on an island, these are the five discs that I would bring 1. Liz (exile or ws, I am not sure yet) 2. Sarah McLaclan - Fumbling towards ecstact 3. Ben Lee - Grandpaw Would 4. Joni Mitchell - Court and Spark 5. Natalie Merchant - Ophelia coming in close seconds are: eighties CDs, some of my fav ska, violent femmes, a nd some kinda dance hiphop junk, I LUV TO DANCE! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious" - Liz Phair http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/lizphair.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:59:53 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: MrE Subject: the day preceeding the morning after the night before resp(ect)onding: katie (t.o.o.) i've been in a trance state for some time now, and it appears that i tranced right thru the 'quasi' release...when did it release and how does it sound? molly yes, as a matter of fact, WE ALL loved alanis, and i still begrudge nothing against her craft-i only object to her foul treatment of those who paid for her beach house...and, yes, we ALWAYS kill our idols. amyyyy: there are far way too many perks being a woman of diminutive stature than are allotted the taller female. personal experience (no smartass, i'm not woman-don't hear me roar), my wife being 5'2" as well as my younger daughter and several others i have actually asked, many of whom are less than 5' have told me that they believe they get their way more often then the taller women. you just gotta work it 6'1"! alex... MAN! do you have any friends left?? any social life? what gives? i mean, if they hadn't named themselves after ejaculatory fluids, would you still be as impressed? don't get me wrong, i happen to like p jam, but there is a formula involved: every other release just blows! ten is great but verses just grates, and while vitalogy is phenomenal, no code just has no pulse...so, accordingly, next release should be AT LEAST LIKEABLE! but until then, take a risk...you wouldn't eat grapenuts all the time would you? have some sugar crisp... peace...and a few good tunes MrE :::::::::::::::::sheryl:::::::::::::::::: i woke up this morning to the sound of breaking hearts mine is full of questions and it's tearing yours apart this is home... :::::::::::::::::crow::::::::::::::::::: some songs can take your soul...mre ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 23:10:28 PST From: "Ian Cunningham" Subject: remember the seether? - --first off: to whoever asked, i've totally loved veruca salt from day 1, i've stalked them all over texas: i started a riot for them in san antonio, been their guest at the houston bush show, and gone to a party with them, figdish, and local h in dallas; on the subject of v.s., does anybody out there have any kind of copy of "oreo"? i have looked for this for ages and would like to have a copy to send to louise herself(long story)... - --second: to the girl at u.t. arlington, sorry i can't remember your name (katie?), two questions: 1: are you an rtf student? if so, is this why you write screenplays? if not, have you ever considered putting some of this work to work? i've been looking for scripts to start playing around with and maybe begin shooting...let me know if you're interested...oh yeah, and rolling rock is some pretty groovy beer, but, corona is the undisputed king of all that is yellow...did you ever think that beer is really just liquid bread?...2: you wouldn't happen to know some "evil-scary-goth-guy" named christian looney would you? he lives in arlington somewhere...i really doubt it though, but, i thought it wouldn't hurt to ask... - --third: to jamie/polygrrl: did i scare you away or something? you never returned my e-mails...i'm starting to feel rejected... - -Ian ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:22:05 -0500 (EST) From: The New Zero Subject: somewhere to sink a stone ok...when i get bored/tired/the need to procrastinate, i jump on bandwagons...so....if i were stuck on an island or whatever...i don't know that i would want a liz cd with me...don't think they'd fit the occasion. i would probably want to have: 1) y kant tori read - pointless 80s rock, best shit around. i'll need that to lift my spirits. 2) heather nova, oyster - to remember that it's probably better to be stuck on an island than a boat....and to realize that, hey, maybe i don't have it so bad after all. 3) tori amos, choirgirl hotel - so i can also learn to "dance with sorrow," as she puts it. 4) rasputina, thanks for the ether - because it's the shit...and could probably help me attract some aliens who could come rescue me and take me back to melora's home planet. 5) kate bush, hounds of love - could motivate me to wake the witchcraft in me and get my ass off the damned island haha sorry:) steve, who hope liz decides to participate in a michigan radio xmas show...preferably the same one garbage is doing...hehe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:23:25 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: you go urlfriend! At 10:15 PM 11/15/98 -0800, MrE wrote: >culled from alt.fan.liz-phair: > > >Could everyone please stop cross-posting this thread to > >alt.fan.liz-phair? No one from this newsgroup is even taking > part in > >this discussion... > > > >Thanks, > > >Jase > >and someone said you weren't shit, and i looked her right in the eye and >said 'he is to shit'...you need some help brother, you just call us up >and make hawkeye our bitch! (poor taste-almost sorry) Just curious, what exactly is your purpose for sending something I posted to the newsgroup to the mailing list? It has no relevance to anything being discussed, and I've always considered it extremely rude to reprint a person's comments from one online forum in another without asking their permission first. I'm sure most others would agree. Also, I have no clue what the babble you wrote underneath means, but if it's in poor taste, it really doesn't belong on the list. That's one thing that's been bothering me lately, the amount of negativity I've noticed, and some people posting things that are just begging for a reaction. What's the purpose of, say, trashing someone's Desert Island CD picks? It's all a matter of opinion, so even though you disagree, there is no need to make comments such as, "MAN! do you have any friends left?? any social life? what gives? i mean, if they hadn't named themselves after ejaculatory fluids, would you still be as impressed?" If someone likes something, let them enjoy it. They're not making you listen to it, and they shouldn't be attacked for liking what they do. If you disagree, that's cool, but rather than trashing something you don't like, why don't you try writing about something you do? If you disagree with someone's preferences, you'd get further by trying to turn them on to something else than criticizing. At least be considerate of the feelings of others. Maybe this seems a little reactionary, but there have been quite a few comments on the list lately that have really bothered me, and I've also heard several complaints from other list members. I've been biting my tongue so far, but I felt the need to speak up. I know that I've never set a rule on off-topic posting and I've always permitted it, but with so many Liz happenings these days, I do have to wonder why so much attention is being directed elsewhere. It seems like the list was a lot more focused this past spring, when there was no new album, no tour, no TV or magazine appearances. Anyway, just my two cents. Jase P.S. Just out of curiosity, MrE, what was the point of sending an HTML-encoded message to the list earlier which I had to forward, after I specifically stated on the list only a few days ago that when people are to post, it should be in plain-text only? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:35:47 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Myron Subject: desert island 5 suede sci-fi lullabies the cure kiss me kiss me kiss me liz phair exile in guyville smashing pumpkins siamese dream lush split Regarding my Liz selection, I had to go with Guyville if only for the number of songs. I would miss not having "Alice Springs" and "Perfect World" though. Myron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:37:10 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Greggrosey@aol.com Subject: new orleans show hello all does anyone know if Liz is rescheduling her appearance in New Orleans... i already got a refund on the ticket, but at least got some cool posters they had up advertising the show... as for the island... 1. exile in guyville- liz 2. crooked rain, crooked rain- pavement 3. ok computer- radiohead 4. bizarre ride to the pharcyde- pharcyde 5. low end theory- tribe called quest later Gregg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 03:33:51 EST From: Juvenilia@aol.com Subject: If I Were Stuck On An Island Hello supporters.... (It's late, I can't think of something catchy). I've been lacking with anything truly meaningful to say to this list... especially with the core content being about how fat or insufferable Alanis Morissette is. But being the faithful list-member I am, I thought I would contribute with the "Five Desert Island Discs" poll. So, here's mine: 1. Liz Phair - Whip-Smart 2. Jen Trynin - Gun Shy Trigger Happy 3. PJ Harvey - Rid Of Me 4. Heather Nova - Oyster 5. Ani DiFranco - Out Of Range Okay. Well, that's that. Sometimes, ROBBIE THE SLICK DIVIDE - A Liz Phair Page http://valmccown.com/lizphair.html "I ain't no pleasure hound." --LIZ PHAIR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 01:36:32 -0800 From: MrE Subject: 'in the days of my youth i was told...and told...and' and i'm still not very good with the rules thing, so if i'm gonna be stuck on an island, it has to meet the bare minimun standards of say, tahiti, which is where 'bare' comes in. call me a whatever, but there is nothing of more beauty than the female form...you can pro/con/hyperventilating/make a sign and demonstrate-i don't care. "it's all the same fucking day man"-janis joplin: incomparable, and dead. so i'm on tahiti, and the local welcome wagon pulls up, all double breasted (with or without suits), so i have to think fast to impress or continue to drool myself into eventual blindness, so i pull out my... janis box set, and you know something? this isn't going to be so bad after all! and i think to myself that if i had gone with first instinct and packed 'live thru this' or 'to bring you my love', i might be walking around with you guys looking for a date...always bring the original-always be the original. choice two was way difficult. assuming compilation tapes are not agreeable with the fn rules, i would have to whip out 'in utero' which is one of those blessed be cursed your are deals, you see, 'in utero' would be all around best, but not only is my fave nirvana tune not therein, neither is my fave tune period. being both the same, i have only to finger this in once-'aneurysm'. it's loud, it's abrasive, it's clever and live it was like nothing before or since... so, there's no 'hole', well, that's not entirely true, but for the sake of continuity 'hole' will reference the band. and no p j, unless you count my stripped ones with the long sleeves. and no very favorite song...so let's take positive inventory. i have janis, double breasted suits and in utero. not bad...man, i've gotta end this story-i had already lost interest when i began and now i'm how much better to just list without suffering. 3=wcse-somehow it became first phair-so kick my ass... 4=mazzy star-so tonight that i might see 5=maria mckee-life is sweet and later that night, they took me down to the beach and with incomparable skill, stripped away my clothing and inhibitions, led me to the warmth of a nearby fire... stuck a spit up my ass and roasted me for dinner-and in the background, the crashing of angry waves are silenced as even the elements bow in obeisance as 'little girl blue' plays off in the night... and then there's mr. peter washington, to whom i will say "well said" and having said well said i say let's move on. i am really truly almost kinda sorta sorry that i even brought the name of ______ up-but it seemed at the time worth the risk to vent the anger i felt at having been so disparaged by her...done. and i have read 'the rants'-way great read. dennis miller is an icon in the comedic world. the poll placing liz behind smashed pumpkins-was that the same poll that rated 'the downward spiral' at something like 4? what the phuc is with that? i'm sorry kids, but trent is as beyond done as your thanksgiving happy meal will undoubtedly be... PEACE of my heart MrE ::::::::::::::::::::::::::sheryl_crow::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: i've been wondering if all the things i've ever seen were ever real-were ever really happening a temporary lapse of reason that binds a life to a life :::::::::::::::::::::::::::pink_floyd:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 05:34:04 -0500 From: brat1978@juno.com (Fred Neutz) Subject: stuck on an island without gilligan here's the 5 i'd bring along, in no particular order. 1. Pixies - Doolittle 2. Ben Harper - Fight for your mind 3. Pavement - Wowee Zowee 4. Liz Phair - Whip-smart 5. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation fred ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:53:59 -0800 (PST) From: the dimming diamonds Scattering in the park Subject: a hundred people drowning in oceans inside me. hi out there... does anyone have an mp3 of "hurricane cindy" from the japanese version of wcse? wasn't there an mp3 ftp site out there dedicated to liz (where is that?) i would appreciate it if someone could tell me... thanks, huan-hua p.s. and if I were going to be stuck on a desert island, these would be my 5 picks: 1) liz--eig 2) suzanne vega, "suzanne vega" 3) bangles, "all over the place" 4) steeleye span, "spanning the years" 5) juliana hatfield, "become what you are" 5 runners-up: the innocence mission, "glow," suzanne vega, "99.9F", liz phair, shelved demos, the breeders, "last splash", belle and sebastian, "if you're feeling sinister". "And the license said you had to stick around Until I was dead But if you're tired of looking at my face I guess I already am." --Liz Phair, "Divorce Song" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:28:17 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #81 Hmmmm, very interesting with the five cds people would pick cuz I see that most are listening to the same stuff I do. I don't know why, but The White Album by The Beatles isn't exactly my fave, but I would take it with me to the island just for the fact that is double disc. Jason, thanks for posting the lyrics for Hurricane Cindy! I was hoping someone would do that cuz I know I had a bunch of confusion to lyrics. I thought it was "what's wrong with you" instead of "what's on the heel." Marlie, be glad that you got SNL on radio cuz there was a really really (I mean REALLY) bad joke to the Alanis thingy we've been discussing lately. I was gonna be hush hush about it but the stupid joke was they did a spoof off of VH1's fashion awards and "Alanis" came on "naked" (this chick was wearing a unitard to make it look like she's naked) receiving an award presented by Marilyn Manson. But anyways, bad joke huh? Yay! Jason's review! More More! Me gotta go to school, but I know I have more to include! Katie ():) Hey, how many Jason, Sara, Katie and what other names that seem to be repeated? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:13:15 -0500 From: Mariam Hamou Subject: Stuck on an Island - TOP 5 Hey all, I haven't really been writing in with stuff because I've been SOOOOOOO busy (it's that thing called grad school), but, I wanted to contribute my top 5 stuck on an island cd's 1. Exile in Guyville (is there really any sort of competition?) 2. Fumbling Towards Ecstacy - Sarah Mclachlin (I still can't spell her name) 3. Refugee Camp - The Fugees (I must say, solid effort!!) 4. Smeared - Sloan (Changed my life - in a way) 5. Icky Metal - Archers of Loaf (boo hoo, they're braking up) That's about it. I would probably want a dance music CD as well, probably get out the Gino beats or something, they just make me feel all jumpy inside. Oh, and I have to take some of my punk stuff like Lagwagon and Melloncollen. Take Care, Love, Mariam H. "the girl with too many assignments and not enough time" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:24:03 -0500 From: "Connolly, Michael EMC RSG" Subject: 5 CDs, profile Okay, real quick 1. REM _Reckoning_ 2. Miles Davis _In A Silent Way_ 3. Pretenders _Pretenders I_ 4. Waxing Poetics _Hermitage_ 5. Liz _Exile_ gotta have "Strange Loop" with me if I'm stranded somewhere Honorable mentions: Lou Reed _Magic + Loss_, Clash _Give 'em Enough Rope_, The Mockers _Somewhere Between Mocksville and Harmony_, My Profile 35, male, married (10+ yrs), no kids, for cats & 1 dog. Career Military (enlisted, Navy). Originally from Pittsburgh (Hi Tiffany!), living in Virginia Beach since 1985 after spending time in Saratoga NY, North Chicago IL and Orlando FL. (Also spent last year in Charleston SC, but that was only a temporary thing). Have always been interested in music, but got no ability to play. So I've cultivated a symbiotic (parasitic) relationship. Most of my civilian friends are musicians or radio people (wife has worked in radio for twenty years, my sister was in the business -- worked for Greg Mull down in FL (anyone know who he is?)), used to do part time work in record stores here while on shore duty, and have recently started writing for a new local music semi-monthly. Wednesday is the first issue I've contributed to, and it looks as if two reviews I wrote will be printed (WCSE and J Hatfield's _Bed_). And will probably be traveling to Raliegh to cover the show for the mag. Seen about three hundred concerts (started with ELO Out of the Blue tour), mostly becuase when I was selling records we got in free to a couple of local clubs. Best shows seen: BoDeans on their first album tour (small club, very close to stage), Fleming and John, Chris Isaak on the second album tour (had breakfast with Kenny the Drummer), Lou Reed in DC on _Magic + Loss_ tour, REM (Monster - wanted to see them earlier), 10,000 Maniacs in a little club in Amsterdam, John Hiatt. I'm a closet Meat Loaf/Jim Steinman fan - and really appreciated the Meat Fest on VH1 last night - hurray for insomnia!! Wow, that was longer than I thought. Sorry 'bout the length. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:24:25 EST From: TaliaK@aol.com Subject: Desert Island hmm.... well here goes mine 1. Liz Phair- whitechocolatespaceegg (have it in my car and can't get enough of it) 2. A Soilent Green tape (from westport, wa, they only have one cd out and it doesn't have all that's on some of their tapes, so i'd have to sneak it, or maybe use a cd burner first =) ) 3. Marcy Playground (a really good cd) 4. Green Day- Kerplunk (my favorite of their cds, and i've got to bring one) 5.Marilyn Manson- Portrait of an American Family (got to have something a little harder or i'll go crazy) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 06:21:09 -0800 From: MrE Subject: lyrically speaking... it seems that as of saturday past, the group 'nirvana' has released a new song.. >; nirvana-'nothing nowhere'; i'll probably be sued by courtney now, dammit. let's try 'endless nameless'... so, MICHAEL CONNOLLY, how about that JEFF LYNN? peece-sorta... MrE ::::::::::::::::kc::::::::::::::::: i don't care what you think unless it is about me... ::::::::::::nirvana:::::::::::::: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:07:41 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Some added thoughts Reading over what I wrote last night, it occured to me that I should maybe clear things up a bit. I do realize that we are an extremely diverse group of individuals, and as such, we're not always going to agree on everything. I just think it's important to consider how we present our opposing viewpoints. I don't think there's anything wrong with constructive criticism, but it needs to be kept within reason. It's quite easy to go overboard. If you don't agree with an idea, express why you don't like that idea; don't attack the person to whom it belongs. I've always believed that debate was a good thing, I have no problem with it. But if it's going to take place on the list, do try to keep it civil. Only the very earliest subscribers will remember this, but this list, in its original incarnation as 6'1", was born as an alternative to another Liz Phair forum where a lot of these problems ran rampant and escalated to the point where it was hard for any discussions to take place at that time. It just wasn't very enjoyable anymore for a lot of people, and I do not want that to happen to this list ever. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:35:48 -0500 (EST) From: Syrup@concentric.net Subject: Denver 12/13? FYI, latest word from Janet is they might hit Denver on the 13th. - -drew ------------------------------ Date: 16 Nov 98 12:27:56 EST From: Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David) Subject: tapes, my profile=i'm boring >The person offering these tapes is asking for a lot of money (if >you want to know, it's $1250+!). So I am asking if each and >everyone of you on the list could contribute $2 each. I could >purchase these tapes, and in turn I will give everyone in return >a copy of all the tapes! ken: dude, i would offer $20 (probably even more) to get ahold of 7 newish liz tapes. geez, i'd probably give $50 . . . make the music world a brighter place. have you heard the tapes? i think that would probably be important . . . michael: Oh Yeah? Don't get me started on Jeff Lynne and what he did to Roy Orbison, Dave Edmunds, Bob Dylan and the rest. whoa, what did this fellow do to good ole roy? he happens to be a guilty pleasure of mine. guess i'll try my hand at a profile: name: sarah, kit age: 19 dob: 10/25/79 school/home: washington college in chestertown, md majoring in: english/education in hopes of becoming: an english teacher muzak: liz phair, the magnetic fields, belle & sebastian, the pixies, new order/joy division, the afghan whigs, velocity girl (how i luv velocity girl), the cure, built to spill, catherine wheel, magnapop, the london suede, the smiths, matthew sweet, frank black, jawbox, sonic youth, helium, future bible heroes, the clean, pavement, tori amos, teenage fanclub, hum, depeche mode, david bowie, the mamas and the papas (heh heh heh) . . . lots more, i guess. i buy a lot of cds. i should probably buy better clothes instead, but i just can't make myself do it. movies: freeway (actually anything w/ reese witherspoon. i'm straight, but she rules in every which way), heathers, the cemetery man, welcome to the dollhouse i love to: listen to music, make tapes for people, read (when i get the chance, which is never), sleep, do stuff i won't mention, eat, work on my suckville e-zine snarlball w/ my chums plum and izzy. i hate: lots of stuff i work: at dunkin donuts and i sincerely like it love life: ugh. it's absolutely fine i guess. i can't think of anything else to mention. sorry, i'm a bore. hmmm . . . my favorite quotes come from the pixies album _surfer rosa_ ("our love is rice and beans and horse's lard"). i love my brother more than anyone else in the world. isn't that stupid? i think my cat is second. the living one that is. my mom's stupid boyfriend's rottweiler ate my first cat. wow, this is too long. i'm done. sarah ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:43:21 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Responses to #81(cont.) Ohki. The t-shirt idea is really cool idea and of course, my mind is flying with ideas. I was thinking maybe we could send our signatures to whoever is going to do the shirts and have them screened to the back of the shirt. Good idea or no? Hmmmm...I'd love to be in charge, but I'm busy with the pens and posters. I went back to the place about the poster and asked for an estimated price for a 12X12 size. They said it might be about $20 or $25. So, if you're interested in getting an EIG poster, please let me know and I'll add you to the list. So far I have gotten nine people with ten poster requests. The other option I had was a 20X20 size and that costs $40 (gulp). Last call for for pens. I'd like to send the info out to those who said they'd like to receive one. I've gotten nine requests (including myself) and the price looks like it would be $10. If I get more requests, the price will come down cuz the set up price is what we're trying to cover which is $36. So, if you're interested, please let me know by this Friday, Nov. 20 so I can send the info out to everyone. So, I just had one of the best Liz experiences this morning. There was this really beautiful sunrise and I wanted to capture it but had no camera and of course, I couldn't jump up to grab a piece of the sky to put into a box. But what was so great about all of this is Mesmerizing was on and I think I lost myself into the sunrise. Sigh, it's too bad my friends aren't into the beauty of nature like I am. Well, I had to snap out of it after my teacher started to assign assignments in class. I think I was really lost cuz I had to ask him about five times what it was. duhme Katie. Have a spaceeggy day. Katie ();) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:26:23 -0600 From: Daniel Osborne Subject: Digital Liz in Chicago Jase said: > All three Chicago shows from October are going to soon be made available > through a tape tree on this list. To get a copy, all one will have to do is > provide blanks and postage or work out a trade. No one will be making a > profit, whereas if you buy these CDs, you're supporting a guy who is not > only ripping off Liz but her fans as well. There should be a better way to do this. How about someone just digitally extract the music to a computer and put the WAV files (or MP3 to save space, if you must) up on an FTP server for all to enjoy. Then anyone can just download these and put them on a CD or anything else they would want to do. Whenever you start dealing with copying tapes, quality sharply decreases with each copy made. Then you eventually get a tape that sounds like pure crap. And most of the bootleg music is pretty poor quality to begin with (take Girly Sounds for example). Once you have the music in a digital format, it never degrades from copying and it can be dumped perfectly to other formats such as CD, DAT, or audio tape. I'd be happy to provide the digital extraction of the music and copy them up to an FTP site. I have a fast Internet connection but not the FTP space. If someone has a bunch of space on a fast FTP server available, I can put the songs there for everyone. Of course, the catch is that I would need a CD of the music to get started. Any offers on any of this? Let me know. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:27:56 -0800 From: Beau Subject: My top five albums Better late than never ... "Exile in Guyville" by Liz Phair "All the Great Hits" by Jimmy Buffett "Appetite for Destruction" by Guns N' Roses "Relish" by Joan Osborne "Sparkle and Fade" by Everclear I defy you to come up with a more eclectic list than THAT! BEAU YARBROUGH http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Boardwalk/5812/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:36:51 -0600 From: Daniel Osborne Subject: Re: Desert-island discs >> Liz fans, what five albums would you take to a desert island? Here are mine: 1. Exile In Guyville - Liz Phair (1993) 2. August & Everything After - Counting Crows (1993) 3. (gasp) Jagged Little Pill - Alanis Morissette (1995) 4. Rhetoric - Little Blue Crunchy Things (1994) 5. American Thighs - Veruca Salt (1994) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:54:12 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: I'M DONE WITH MY PAGE! Hey everyone! I'm actually having a mess of fun now! I'm done with my page! Finally! http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Birdland/9820/lizphair.html Please see the reviews page! You can submit your reviews to me! If you have any "goat" stories please include them cuz that's why the goat is on there! hehehe! Me have a gift for everyone on the thank you page. Another thing, on the Liz story page, that angel design that's on there, that's my tattoo! If you're curious as to what my "Turning Japanese" friend looks like, she's on the thank you page as well. I can't believe I'm finally done! Of course, there's still more to be added. The stupid counter wouldn't work so I'll have no idea on how popular it is. Oh well. Enjoy! Katie ():D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:11:30 -0500 From: brat1978@juno.com (Fred Neutz) Subject: d.c. show for anyone who is confused about the d.c. show like i am here's a response from russ waterhouse of matador records * i wrote: >on your page it has liz playing the 9:30 club on 12/4 >but on their web page they have "the meters" playing >on that date. which one is right? he wrote: I'm pretty positive that Liz is playing. I bet they booked The Meters and put it up on their page before it was actually confirmed. According to Liz's booking agent, the date is confirmed, plus I spoke to the promoter (who also happens to work at 9:30) and they knew it was happening. Maybe the Meters cancelled? Personally, I'd like to see Liz Phair play WITH the Meters, Russ Matador Records attn: Russ Waterhouse 625 Broadway, 12th Floor New York, NY 10012 ph: (212) 995-5882 fx: (212) 995-5883 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:22:03 -0800 From: "George Song" Subject: island picks... 1. miles davis -- some kind of blue 2. w.a. mozart -- die zauberflote 3. l. van beethoven -- the 9th symphony 4. guys and dolls -- the recording with peter gallagher 5. liz phair -- EIG although really if you think about it, most music you love is in your head anyway. george ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:13:57 -0600 (CST) From: "j. Davila" Subject: Re: My top five albums On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Beau wrote: > I defy you to come up with a more eclectic list than THAT! Okay, I'll try . . . "Bona Drag," Morrissey "Exile in Guyville," Liz Phair "An Afternoon in the Garden," Elvis Presley anything by Aretha Franklin "Stepping Out: Astaire Sings," Fred Astaire sings selections by Irving Berlin, Cole Porter, and George & Ira Gershwin Cheers, Jasmine "Whenever I have the urge to exercise, I sit down." Robert Maynard Hutchins "I am amused by the simplicity of this game. Bring me your finest meats and cheeses." Kenny Mayne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:34:00 -0600 From: "Jorge (George) Cooper" Subject: funky liz dream and party in Dallas Liz Nation, 1) I had a dream Saturday morning. It was strange. I was in California and I heard that Liz was in town. I searched, club to club, looking for the right one. Suddenly, Liz and her tour assistant walked right by. Somehow, I intercepted her assistant who who was named Pauline. I got a backstage pass and we sat directly behind the band. Then the dream got weird. Next thing I know, Pauline and I are kissing up a tornado. No transition. No candy. No flowers. Pauline happens to black. I've had lots of black girl friends. But have never dated one. So, I don' know what this means. The show starts but Liz gets rattled after the first song because her voice is off. She turns to face us for support. For some reason, I tell her to either welcome the audience or play an easy song next for a confidence builder. She does it and gets back on track. Liz is stunning in an orange halter top and orange shorts. Her legs look very sexy. Liz does a lot of dancing on stage and is having fun. After a song, a fan hands her a text book, (that's right, a high school text book). Liz decides to read a passage in a funny British accent, and the crowd goes wild. I don't know why it was a text book and I don't know the subject. I don't know what the hell this means. I just know that the crowd loved it. Now I've got a problem. I gotta pee (Forrest Gump accent). But I don't want to miss any of the show. Just then, Pauline, says she's going to get us a couple of Cokes. Unfortunately, I woke up after this. What does all this mean, dream analysts? Nothing? Anything? Too much Liz on the brain? Should I be put to sleep? 2) Attention, local listers (Lucas, The Human Cannonball, Katy in Arlington, Rev. Jim, anyone else), I'm having a party Sat. Dec. 5 in Dallas with a bunch of friends. E-mail me your address and I'll mail you an invitation. You can bring anyone you want. More details in a week or so. JGCooper@csr.pagemart.com 3) MrE, I saw Pretenders front row when the original band was intact. They rocked. and Chrissy Hynde bent down with her back to us so we could all paw her hair and back. It was a great moment in rock history. MrE, you made me laugh out with your description of U2 members "boner and edge" However, I think your sign off should be, Disrupting the Peace because that's what you like to do. You are good at it. 4) Enjoyed all the Desert Island picks. Good research for Christmas presents to myself. Bill in CT, we have the same taste exactly: Freedy, X, Lucinda, Pixies, Blur, Replacements. I went and listened to a Sleater-Kinney CD and I liked it a lot. Gone to San Diego on Weds. night for 5 nights. I'm taking my brother to the hospital to have knee surgery. Then, we're going to watch lots of movies. Jorge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 18:52:20 -0500 From: Katie Brown Subject: stranded cd's & other misc items besides 1. EIG, 2. Squeeze "Singles", 3. Book of Love "Lullaby", 4. the Go-Go's best-of double-disk, "Return to the Valley..." 5. Bob Marley box set, I would have a drum circle by myself. yes, there are many sara(h)'s and jason's .... but let's not forget the katie's!!! yay katies. ken lee, i'm sending you $2, are you sure that will be enough? seven tapes for everybody? i'm concerned but very excited for you! boston people let's get there early and meet for a drink before the show on 12/1 ? i'm working on alternative sources into the wfnx birthday party on 11/30, i'll post if anything positive comes up. jase, can't wait to hear what else happened in toronto. bye list, happy end of monday. KB *&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&* "temper my hatred with peace, weave my disgust into fame, and watch how fast they run to the flame" "home is very ordinary i know i was born to lead a double life" LP ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:41:51 -0800 From: MrE Subject: gender specific merchandising and emasculation myths i, um, i bought a, ah, a magazine today, well not really a magazine, but i guess it would be if i were a member of the better gender. it would probably help if i were several years younger than my children as well... so, i was at my local alleged convenience store (and by the way, i probably dwell in the only so cal hood without a 7/11) and they had one copy of seventeen magazine left...so i casually picked it up and mosey on over to the checkout counter. side note-my bust size hasn't increased at all (damn!), and there has been no bloated achiness or significant mood alterations, other than the usual psychotomimetic variety. so anyway, i'm at the counter now and this clerk is giving me the look to which i stare him down for a moment, and straight faced i give him just two words: "Fashion tips". left him in ruin... it is a really good shot of liz though, that is if there were not a printing flaw streaking across her face... peace and take care... and if you can't take care, take money. MrE ::::::::::::::::kc::::::::::::::::: she has a moist vagina but i prefer it to any other ::::::::::::nirvana:::::::::::::: ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #82 ***********************************