From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #81 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, November 16 1998 Volume 01 : Number 081 Today's Subjects: ----------------- stuck on an island [Breadnb@aol.com] Desert-island discs [Dermich@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V1 #80 [AngelLieb@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V1 #79 [PokaDot420@aol.com] Re: Desert-island discs [Jesse W Kunerth ] Jewel on SNL............ [mhuisman ] liz live cd details [MEfest@aol.com] Re: more liz cd's available [Jason Long ] "Hurricane Cindy" lyrics [Jason Long ] Re: Stuck on an Island [dbickin@ibm.net] Re: Stuck on an Island [dbickin@ibm.net] Liz in Toronto, 10/20/98 (Part One) [Jason Long ] Veruca Salt and 5 cds [Emerald314@aol.com] stupid political correctness on digest [Peter Washington ] stuck on an island [Peter Washington ] which island would I be on? [jtconnolly ] Reality Check [Brian Cooper ] Liz in Philly (Parts I & II) [kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko)] Looking for Emma [Brian Cooper ] Desert Island Discs ["Gregory Bell" ] New Observations of Old Remarks [Josh Webb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 01:43:46 EST From: Breadnb@aol.com Subject: stuck on an island suppose li'l ole me is stuck on an island.. this is the music i'd bring:.. 1. liz phair - eig, ws, wcse 2. korn - follow the leader 3. rage against the machine - ratm 4. pizzicato 5 - made in u.s.a. 5. beastie boys - hello nasty ok i know i cheated on the first one, but i couldn't help it.. i need my liz! one other thing.. does anyone know if there are still tickets available for the bcn xmas rave show? - -lins- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:07:48 EST From: Dermich@aol.com Subject: Desert-island discs Hmmm, my desert-island discs as of 11.14.98: The Downward Spiral - Nine Inch Nails Exile In Guyville - Liz Phair Gun Shy Trigger Happy - Jen Trynin Quick Step and Side Kick - Thompson Twins Scary Monsters - David Bowie So, is Liz CANCELLED or POSTPONED for the Lawrence show? Who knows for sure? Derek http://loveamongpuppets.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:19:17 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #80 Lalala....Spaceegg Girl has a lot to respond to! Molly, for the fifth cd, I recommend The Beatles' Magical Mystery Tour! I played that cd so many times and it's still my fave. Of course, I have to skip the last song cuz who on this earth has not heard "All You Need Is Love?" I prefer to go and ask "How does it feel to be one of the beautiful people?" Alex, you're welcome! ();) Amy, let me include my fave junk food I eat too much: Twizzlers. The one that makes mouth happy! Buying cds like toilet paper? hehe! Sounds like me too! Feel free to email me cuz I love Jewel too! Icrywolf, your post cracked me up! I never gave it a thought of where I'd be plugging in my cd player! Must be those Energizer batteries that's gonna help us out, or a lifetime supply. hmmmm Michael, Sheryl Crow's "Member's Only" on radio!? Wow! Me love that song! Jenny, go you! Hope you'll have fun at the concert. I know you will! Now for my stuff. Someone mentioned something about how we would feel if Liz gained 40 pounds. Um, I gave this a thought and the only thing I came up with is I was a big fan (was cuz she's not dancing anymore) of a dancer in the only pro dance company in Orlando (Southern Ballet Theatre). I got the chance to know her really well and when she had her son four years ago, she gained a lot of weight. Not that I care or anything, I still love her for the person she is and think that's how I would be if Liz gained 40 pounds. Weight shouldn't matter at all I think cuz when you're constantly worrying about how you look, you can miss out on a lot and only find yourself being miserable. I learned this the hard way and gave up dieting cuz I figured I have to accept myself as the way I am and not be so stuck on myself as far as my image goes. But anyhoo, my thoughts on that. I hate makeup cuz they're a mess and cost too much. I'd rather spend my money for music cuz I know it's what will make me happy. Having a spaceeggy day Katie ();) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 02:26:33 EST From: PokaDot420@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #79 Just cuz it ain't no indigo girl shit... ya know?" what is that? yeah its pretty ovious that liz isnt one of the indigo girls, and her music is quite diffrent than theirs, the only thing they really have in common is that they're female, and (in my humble opinion) are very talented. but anyways im not tring to spark a war about this or anything, but liz isnt for everyone (thank god), and why slam the indigo girls because of this? personally i love all of that indigo girl 'shit'. ...well anyways iv vented and now i feel so much better, just had to release that thought. if i were stuck on a deserted island what 5 cds would i have to have? good question, wow this was a toughie, picking the artists wasnt all that difficult, but the cd aaaahhhhhh, what a task, but iv come up with my list. only picking 5 was impossible though, but i narrowed it down to 6: in no particular order (no possible way to number them in greatness, i love them all bunches and bunches) *Ani Difranco, living in clip- i couldnt survive without this album!!!! she is such an alsome live preformer and this cd captures her charm so well with all her little stories, when i listen to it i just close my eyes and go to one of concerts!! *indigo girls, rites of passage- 'romeo and juliet' is one of the most beautiful love songs iv ever heard (the message brings tears to my little eyes) *bjork, post- very hard to pick which one of her albums to bring with me, they are all equally increadable to me! its oh so quiet...shhh....shhh *tori amos, under the pink- this is the woman i owe a large part of my mental happiness too, she is a true goddess of some sort to me, her music has a magical affect on me, it just makes me all warm and glowey like inside. *liz phair, whitecholatespaceegg- i love this album, its my favorite of the 3 i think. i love 'baby got going' whats not to love about it, it was the first song that pulled me in on the album, and although theres not a song on egg that i dont like, i still think its one of the best songs, just makes me wanna grab somebody and start dancing around! and last but not least *juliana hatfield, become what you are- i think this is by far one of the best cds of the 90s, iv yet to get the new rolling stone to see if she made it. i love the song 'leaving massachusets' if i wrote a song right now thats what it would say(the lyrics are perfect). i had the pleasure of seeing her in atlanta a cupple weekends ago WONDERFUL show, shes a very entertaining preformer. well anyways this has got to be a bit long for me so toddless everyone *sara* (i agree there are quite a few of us sara's) we have a wonderful name* getting off....getting on while they are all downstairs singing praise...sing away hes in my pumpkin pjs lay your book on my chest feel the word...feel the word ~tori amos ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 03:18:35 -0500 (EST) From: Jesse W Kunerth Subject: Re: Desert-island discs I am going to pick 5 artists instead of just 5 cds cause that would be easier for me: 1 A Tribe Called Quest 2 Ben Harper 3 Buju Banton 4 Tricky 5 Toasters or Liz Phair Variety is the key. Peace Out Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 08:51:20 -0500 From: mhuisman Subject: Jewel on SNL............ Hey everyone.... Last night, Jewel was on SNL. I dont really like her, but she seemed cool on stage. The station SNL is on here in Toronto, I can get on the radio (weird I know) So i also got a VERY good quality recording of Jewel singing two songs. They turned out pretty good. I also have a copy of Eagle Eye Cherry on last weeks SNL. Cool stuff, huh? Now if only they can come to their senses and book Liz, everything would be alright:-) Marlie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 10:12:03 EST From: MEfest@aol.com Subject: liz live cd details a lot of you wanted more details on the liz cd's that i have, so here they are: the chicago show is superb quality. i don't have the set list here right now, but it is pretty similar to what she's been doing this tour. the warfield show is a popular bootleg called "clean as a whistle" and sounds okay. it's very clean, but the level is not as "hot" as the chicago show. the set list for that cd is: 12.1.93 6"1 cinco de mayo glory mezmerizing never said explain it to me alice springs help me mary stratford on guy fuck & run supernova nashville chopsticks strange loop divorce song 3.18.93 6'1" stratford on guy x-ray help me mary soap star joe alice springs the set list for the minneapolis 10/17/98 show is: 1. explain it to me 2. 6'1" 3. cinco de mayo 4. support system 5. never said 6. johnny feelgood 7. dance of the seven veils 8. uncle alvarez 9. big tall man 10. polyester bride 11. supernova 12. flower 13. what makes you happy 14. mesmerizing 15. white chocolate space egg 16. divorce song 17. perfect world 18. stratford on guy 19. fuck and run the toad's place cd from new haven , CT 1994 is near perfect quality. i don't have the set list typed up yet. thanks, craig ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 10:23:25 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: more liz cd's available At 12:42 PM 11/14/98 EST, MEfest@aol.com wrote: >if you already ordered a cd of the minneapolis show, it will be sent out this >week. I have a few more available now(see below). email me for >details....mefest@aol.com >Liz Phair >CD: >Chicago, IL 10.27.98 (A+) >Minneapolis, MN 10.17.98 (A) >New Haven, CT 4.25.94 Toad's Place (A) >"Clean As A Whistle"-Great American Music Hall, 12.1.93/3.18.93 >Warfield Theater (B) Hey everyone, I just wanted to say that there is no reason to buy copies of the Chicago show from this guy (who, by the way, I have heard from several list members is selling these discs for $25 each). All three Chicago shows from October are going to soon be made available through a tape tree on this list. To get a copy, all one will have to do is provide blanks and postage or work out a trade. No one will be making a profit, whereas if you buy these CDs, you're supporting a guy who is not only ripping off Liz but her fans as well. Keeping watching the list for details on the upcoming tape tree; I will be posting them soon. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:28:01 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: "Hurricane Cindy" lyrics Since no one else has posted them yet, here is my transcription of the lyrics of the new version of "Hurricane Cindy" that appears on the Japanese import of _whitechocolatespaceegg_. HURRICANE CINDY What's that piece of ass I see walking over here? What's that little shiny thing, make her disappear... And when I walk I'm a cyclone You should see it get rolling Open my heart and emotions rip out of me My emotions rip out of me Don't you want to kill her, knock her off her chair? God, I think I will if she keeps playing with her hair And when I walk I'm a cyclone You should see it get rolling Open my heart and emotions rip out of me My emotions rip out of me Hold me close and never let me go All my life, I've wanted them to know A few things about me I feel beautiful today Today is Saturday... Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday Saturday, Saturday, what's on the heel? Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, Saturday Saturday, Saturday, what's on the heel? And when I walk I'm a cyclone You should see it get rolling Open my heart and emotions rip out of me My emotions rip out of me Put it on the stereo and play All my life, I've wanted them to say A few things about me I feel beautiful today Lovely, I feel beautiful I can't stand myself, I can't stand my life I can't stand in these six-inch heels anymore And when I walk I'm a cyclone You should see it get rolling Open my heart and emotions rip out of me My emotions rip out of me And when I walk I'm in high school You should see the commotion A hundred people drowning in oceans inside me ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 98 11:30:14 -0500 From: dbickin@ibm.net Subject: Re: Stuck on an Island >From: Icrywolf@aol.com >Subject: Top 5 >What I'm worried about is -- where will I plug in my stereo? Well, of course if we are stuck on an island, the Professor will be there to rig up a bunch of coconuts and whatnot so we'll have all the electricty we need. And if you want to really crank up the volume, Gilligan will be happy to pedal the old bamboo generator as much as you like. >From: kate connnors >Subject: stuck on an island > and about the alanis thing, not that you guys have to answer this, i'm >just curious as to how many of you who dislike her so much, used to like >her? i'm sure some of you never liked her music in the first place, but >a lot of times it seems the people who tear someone down are the same >ones who built them up. bye >*Molly I actually heard her being trashed in the various Lizs Phair newsgroups and mailing lists before I broke down and bought "Jagged Little Pill." My initial thought was, "hey, this is pretty good, what are all those people complaining about?" But then after listening to it over time, it wore me down, so repetitive in its bashing, with no sense of balance. "Enough about me, let's talk about you for a minute. {pause of a second} Enough about you..." That line summed up the experience of the album, self-absorbed to the level of excluding anything else. I do still like "Forgive Me Love" hiding at the end of the disc. Oddly, my Sony Discman would never play that CD, it'd skip like crazy. I guess it has better taste than me. David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 98 11:30:14 -0500 From: dbickin@ibm.net Subject: Re: Stuck on an Island >From: Icrywolf@aol.com >Subject: Top 5 >What I'm worried about is -- where will I plug in my stereo? Well, of course if we are stuck on an island, the Professor will be there to rig up a bunch of coconuts and whatnot so we'll have all the electricty we need. And if you want to really crank up the volume, Gilligan will be happy to pedal the old bamboo generator as much as you like. >From: kate connnors >Subject: stuck on an island > and about the alanis thing, not that you guys have to answer this, i'm >just curious as to how many of you who dislike her so much, used to like >her? i'm sure some of you never liked her music in the first place, but >a lot of times it seems the people who tear someone down are the same >ones who built them up. bye >*Molly I actually heard her being trashed in the various Lizs Phair newsgroups and mailing lists before I broke down and bought "Jagged Little Pill." My initial thought was, "hey, this is pretty good, what are all those people complaining about?" But then after listening to it over time, it wore me down, so repetitive in its bashing, with no sense of balance. "Enough about me, let's talk about you for a minute. {pause of a second} Enough about you..." That line summed up the experience of the album, self-absorbed to the level of excluding anything else. I do still like "Forgive Me Love" hiding at the end of the disc. Oddly, my Sony Discman would never play that CD, it'd skip like crazy. I guess it has better taste than me. David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:51:40 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Liz in Toronto, 10/20/98 (Part One) Hey everyone, Just a bit of an advance warning: This is going to be a very long post and I will be sending it in multiple parts. If I could think of any way of making it shorter, I would, but I just have too much to share. Tuesday, October 20 was quite easily one of the most memorable and eventful days of my life -- there's no way I can sum it up in a few short paragraphs. So, without any further ado, here's the first part (don't worry, the remaining parts are more exciting than this)... I hadn't really slept much the night before, partly because I'm a night owl to begin with, but mostly because of the anticipation I was feeling. In less than twenty-four hours, I would be at my first real Liz Phair show, something I had been waiting five years for. Sure, I had seen Liz at the Lilith Fair date in Buffalo in August, but as good as that was, it felt like only a warm-up, and this would be the real deal. Liz and her band playing a full-length set in a much more intimate venue -- what could be better? Lying awake in my bed, I felt like a kid waiting the few short hours until Christmas morning. As excited as I was about the concert, I was also looking forward to meeting some of the members of this list at the show. Two longtime subscribers, Steve Kisko and Dan MacDonald, were going to be attending the show with me, and a few others had mentioned to me that they would be going. I had already met Steve once before, as I had went to the Buffalo Lilith Fair show with him two months prior to see Liz, and I was looking forward to meeting Dan, who was going to be taking the bus up from Windsor, for the first time. Frantically rushing around at 6:30 that morning, getting ready to leave to catch the bus to Toronto, I figured that I should give Dan a call just to be sure that his plans hadn't changed and that I would still be meeting him at the Bay Street Terminal that afternoon. I was hoping that it wasn't too early for me to be calling, but I figured it would be alright since he would have to be up to catch his bus at well. I let the phone ring almost a dozen times and was about to give up when Dan's father finally answered. I thought the day was shaping up to be great one, so I wasn't expecting anything bad to happen. This changed, however, when I was told that Dan had been in an accident the night before on his way to Liz's show in Pontiac, Michigan. Dan came on the line at this point and we talked for a few minutes. He told me about what had happened and apologized that he would not be able to make it to Toronto now. I told him that I was sorry to hear about the accident, and I was glad that he seemed alright and it hadn't been any worse than it was. I told Dan that Liz was scheduled to appear on MuchMusic at 1:00, like that was any consolation for the fact that he wouldn't be able to see her. We talked for a little longer, and Dan told me that he hoped that I would somehow be able to meet Liz that day. I couldn't believe how selfless he was, wishing me luck when I couldn't get over how bad his had been. Hanging up the phone, I felt a little down about it all. It just didn't seem fair. I was feeling dead tired and contemplated catching a later bus to Toronto for the sake of catching a few more hours of sleep. I had planned on catching the earliest bus I could, so I would have been able to have met Dan when he arrived in Toronto, as he didn't know his way around and I did. Somehow the idea of arriving early and spending the day alone didn't seem very appealing. Steve wouldn't be getting into Toronto until 6:00; if I caught the 1:15 bus out of Collingwood, I'd still be there in plenty of time, and could kill the extra couple of hours shopping for CDs and having a drink or two with a friend of mine who I was supposed to call after he got off work for the day. I did know that Liz would be at MuchMusic that afternoon though, and this might be my one chance to catch a glimpse of her up close. At the same time, that chance could be a long shot. Still barely awake, I decided to catch the early bus anyway, and try to sleep on the way down. I figured that although I might have a lot of time to kill, I could always go see a movie or something. I left my place at 7:30 to make the fifteen minute walk to catch the bus, which would be leaving at 8. I was barely out the door before it started to rain. I silently hoped to myself that this would not be an omen of the day to come. I arrived at the bus station with enough time to buy batteries for my Discman, some snacks and my bus ticket. As always, I was only charged student fare, even though I'm not a student. Looking younger does have its advantages sometimes, and I figured that the day might not be so bad after all. I'm usually unable to sleep on buses, and as tired as I was, this day was no exception. My early morning Pepsi and pretzels combination gave me a bit of an energy boost, but left me desperately wishing for either a pack of gum or breath mints. I had brought the newest Stephen King with me to read, but didn't give it a moment's attention. I did, however, spend most of the bus trip listening to Liz on my Discman; all of _Exile in Guyville_ and _whitechocolatespaceegg_, and most of _Whip-Smart_. Eyes closed and headphones on, my excitement not only returned as we got closer and closer to Toronto, but grew further. Upon arriving in Toronto, I called my friend Tim, who I had turned on to Liz's music a few months earlier and who would be attending the show that night. He asked what my plans were and what time I planned on arriving at the Opera House, so he could meet me there. Once everything was settled, I headed over to the Sam the Record Man location on Yonge Street. The last time I had been in Toronto, I had seen the Japanese import of _whitechocolatespaceegg_ there but hadn't had enough extra cash on hand to buy it. I was hoping that it would still be there; much to my luck, it was. Even though it was quite expensive and I could have purchased cheaper through mail-order, I didn't hesitate to buy it. CD in hand, I headed across the street to Sunrise Records. There was a huge line-up outside of the store, which was what drew my attention. I was curious to see what was going on, silently hoping that since Liz was in town, it would have something to do with her -- maybe an autograph session that none of us had heard about. I asked one of the security guards outside the store what was taking place, and sadly, it was nothing to do with Liz. The store was giving away tickets to see some heavy metal band (I can't even remember which one now, that's how unimportant it was to me). If I would have been thinking, I would have realized that this was not a crowd of Liz fans, but maybe I was just ignoring the obvious facts and hoping they would be anyway. Walking away, I thought to myself, "Okay, Liz Phair is in town, and people are excited about *this*?" I know, I know - -- to each their own, but that still didn't stop me from shaking my head. Maybe my friends who joke that I am a musical fascist really are right. ;) At this point, it was a little after 11:30. I figured that if Liz was going to be at MuchMusic at 1, I should make the short walk over right then and get there as early as I could. (to be continued...) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 15:08:42 EST From: Emerald314@aol.com Subject: Veruca Salt and 5 cds Marlie, I am a big Veruca Salt fan too. I've seen them play twice and I think their music is great and really fun to listen to. Now I've been thinking about those 5 cds for the desert island... Hmm... Maybe 1. Liz Phair--Whip Smart 2. Liz Phair--Exile in Guyville 3. Garbage--Version 2.0 4. Chris Issak--San Francisco Days 5. 80s Explosion (80s compilation cd) cuz I gotta have some 80s with me if I'm stuck on an island! :) That's what I say today.... ~Emily ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 18:05:53 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Washington Subject: stupid political correctness on digest OK, I never post--I usually just read the digests for news (i.e. of tour dates, bootlegs, whatever)--but I'm pissed off enough now to do so. Recently there's been a lot of talk about Alanis Morissette, god knows why. And about fifty per cent of you out there have been getting huffy about people insulting her TERRIBLE video for various reasons. Now maybe, just maybe, some of the Alanis detractors are guilty of having unfair expectations about the size of ms. Morissette's posterior, but I think the majority of them, or should I say us, are just trying to make the point that the concept of the video is a shallow, stupid ploy, and that the song sucks ass. Far be it from any of us to suggest that she reduce herself to miniscule proportions to please us; we just don't want to see her standing naked and hunchbacked for four minutes. That said, the real reason I'm irked at those of you out there throwing around accusations of anorexia-promotion is similar to the reason it bothers me that someone (I'm not going to bother to go back and find out who) became defensive when someone else (same deal) suggested that the Rolling Stones should be embalmed, and that's this: these sarcastic comments aren't meant to have any effect whatsoever. They have the societal impact of a joke: none. When you're sitting around your living room with your buddies watching MTV (it's a hypothetical situation, run with it), Alanis appears on the screen, and someone says "she should be shot for making such a moronic video", they don't MEAN it. It's hyperbole, sarcasm, call it what you will. Furthermore, it doesn't bother celebrities in the least. Bob Dole will go on Letterman the day after Dave's monologue contains a joke about Bob's first girlfriend Cleopatra, and laugh at the same joke! It's the self-styled pundits in the peanut gallery that get indignant, as though they need to protect the poor beleaguered star. Alanis is a big girl (no mean-spirited big-ass joke intended whatsoever, though the humor is not lost on me), she can take care of herself. Peter p.s. For a more complete, all-encompassing commentary on political correctness in general, go buy the Dennis Miller book "The Rants", or better yet get the audio version, and read/listen to the section on political correctness. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 18:17:01 -0500 (EST) From: Tiffany M Wilson Subject: five "stuck on an island" picks 1.Exile in Guyville (who could that be by?) 2.Let it Be-The Replacements 3.Bee Thousand-Guided By Voices 4.Substance-New Order 5.Live Through This-Hole Hopefully, I'll never be limited to only these five albums though, 'cause I left a lot out... Tiff "If I ever pay you back, if my money and wallet's in tact, I'll probably be in a box lying down, loosely suited in black..." -Liz Phair "Little girl keeps growing up, playing makeup, wearing guitar..." -Paul Westerberg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 18:42:36 -0500 (EST) From: Peter Washington Subject: stuck on an island I guess once you post once, it gets easier. The five CDs I'll tuck into my life preserver: Exile in Guyville Blood on the Tracks Kind of Blue Paul's Boutique In My Tribe (the original pressing with 'Peace Train') I tried to go for maximum variety, but I couldn't resist including both Liz and 10,000 Maniacs. Unfortunately missing are James Brown, the Beatles, Beethoven, the Pogues, R.E.M. (but only very early on in their career), and many others. Think my musical tastes are variable enough? Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 19:27:16 -0800 From: jtconnolly Subject: which island would I be on? [WARNING: long-ass, random post of little importance follows. read only if extremely bored or patient.] hello, have you ever had anyone call your house, and you say "hello," and they say "who's this?" I HATE that..."no, you called me, asshole...you tell me who the fuck YOU ARE!!" is what i feel like saying, but obviously never do. (Sorry, it just happened and it's a pet peeve. Even though "pet peeve" is a really sucky term and I don't like that, either! shit!!) In no particular order: ...anyone that ever wants to set up making/buying anything Liz-related (pens, posters, Rare $1200 tapes) ALWAYS count me in. I wanted to try to get 12 of the best pictures of Liz and make a 1999 calendar, but there is no way I have the time or energy or discipline to make that happen. I think a "support system" t shirt is a swell idea, too. ...Sarah David wrote, in reference to Fat-Ass Alanis, "it's just her general suckiness that is ruffling everone's undies." Bravo! So eloquent and concise and funny!! You rivaled Mr E as funniest post of the day. On the same topic, Fuck Alanis. that's my take on the whole thing. ...Innocent comments that get blown out of proportion and become the main reason for the dawn of all sorts of social ills is a common problem on this list, and I just want to say: "It's not the dress that makes you look fat, it's the fat that makes you look fat." (qouting Al Bundy to Peg) what the fuck does this have to do with the price of tea in Finland?? Comments regarding Liz's hotness, or Alanis' notness, are not responsible for rape and eating disorders, etc. Wouldn't it be great if things were that simple? Don't shift the blame from innocent comments/remarks from the true causes of those problems... I couldn't begin to tell you what those causes are, but it ain't the dress that makes you look fat, it's the fat that makes you look fat. Recognize the true roots of the problem and try to leave innocent people alone. ...The Desert Island thing is super-difficult, but I'll give it a try: 1. Guns N Roses, Use Your Illusion II (the only one that is a definate) 2. Liz Phair, I guess EIG, but deciding which Liz to take would probably drive me mental and i wouldn't be able to make the trip to the island, anyhow. 3. Something Seattle. Soundgarden's Badmotorfinger or Superunknown or the last AIC album w/ 3 legged dog on cover. How i can leave PJ vs. off of the list is troubling, but oh well... 4. Weezer, Pinkerton. 5. Belly, Star. * Somehow, a Pavement disc, which one I don't know, would probably have to be substituted in there, so this list is very tenuous. (none of the groups that I grew up with and obsessed on throughout high school and my early college years--Talking Heads, Elvis Costello, the Police, U2, REM, the Smiths, the Cure--make this list, which is sad in a way. I just haven't done anything with any of these people's catalogues in such a LONG time.) Kudos to those that planned on bringing: Prince, Sign O' the Times (such an incredible album) Paul Simon, Graceland Veruca Salt, American Thighs. **Whoever asked about VSalt fans, I'm a HUGE one. Have actually been listening to "blow it out your ass..." more than anything else in the recent past. Their demise is SO terribly troubling and upsetting. Whaaa. Happened to see then twice, though, once in an awesome show at the Webster in CT. It rocked majorly. I LOOOOOVE Nina and Louise and want to date/marry either of them!! I guess this is about enough of your time. maybe a profile will take place soon, maybe not. (if you're all lucky.) later FRAN PS. Steve from the Darrien Lake show...What's up? I never know which "Steve" post is from you!! PPS. Mariah Carey and her vocal antics serve as a favorite whipping post, both on this list and in society in general. While I don't own any of her albums, I appreciate her FAR more than Alanis or Jewel or any of those other shitheads. I listen to discs in my new car almost exclusively...however, if i do go to FM, I'd rather hear the happy, poppy, catchy dance sounds of a Mariah Carey on an annoying dance station over people like Alanis or Tori Amos or Jewel on some tired, lame-ass, more annoying "alternative" station, where they and just about everyone else are just trying too damn hard in my opinion. Mariah has her place in the music world; she wouldn't do well on a music food chain heirarchy (would be one of the smaller fish, Liz being the biggest shark out there), but she does have her place and I can appreciate her for that. GO UCONN MEN'S BASKETBALL!! later ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:24:24 +1100 From: Brian Cooper Subject: Reality Check In digest #78, we had this... >From: kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee) >Subject: Can you all help me out? >I have a chance of obtaining 7(!) cassettes worth of Liz Phair demos >and outtakes but I really need the help of everyone who is on this list. > >The person offering these tapes is asking for a lot of money (if >you want to know, it's $1250+!). So I am asking if each and >everyone of you on the list could contribute $2 each. I could >purchase these tapes, and in turn I will give everyone in return >a copy of all the tapes! This is an awful lot of money (dare I say shitloads?). I'm not saying it's not worth it, but if I was Ken I'd be wanting to hear the tapes first. I'd also be asking whether to source of the tapes is legitimate. I suppose since Ken ran it past Jason before he posted to the list suggests that the guy with the tapes might be on the level. Just one point about giving everyone a copy of the tapes, I hope you're going to do something like a tape trade or tape tree thing Ken, otherwise you'd be up for a hell of a lot of money. I think you should clarify what you're proposing. >I would rather that everyone >get to hear Liz's work in progress for a mere $2 rather than have >some bootlegger charge $25 per CD for the material. That would be a nice thing to happen. It's always good to cut professional bootleggers out of the loop and keep it a fan driven thing. >Feel free to express your concerns over the matter... Hmm... I think I have done this. I felt it was relevant to post this to the list, as I think most people would like to know more about the tapes. I'll make the point again, has anyone heard them? At $2 per person, it might not matter so much if they really suck, but if they really do suck then it would be good money down the drain and only the seller of the tapes would be laughing. Even if everyone on this list sent in their $2, you'd still come up somewhat short, as the last headcount I remember was about 500 subscribers. As for me, I'm not likely to contribute, as it's too much pissing around getting US$2 sent, as it would cost me about $10 Australian. I'm just a little concerned about this whole situation. I'll return you to your normal programming now... Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:20:30 -0500 (EST) From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko) Subject: Liz in Philly (Parts I & II) I went to Liz's Philly show in October, so I was really excited to find this at the Electric Factory website: www.electricfactory.com/artists/lphair/lp10798.html There are live pictures from that show, so be sure to check it out. For those interested in Liz's NEW Philly show at the Electric Factory, tickets went on sale Friday -- through Ticketmaster, I believe. Sorry if someone else has already posted this info. in this digest. Those of you Philly-area kids who missed the TLA show are in for a treat. Those of you who saw the 10/7 show and are returning for more Liz, have fun and think of me... I'll be catching Liz's Dallas show, which could possibly happen on 12/11, according to my inside sources -- that's *not* a definite date, but it's likely. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:51:30 +1100 From: Brian Cooper Subject: Looking for Emma Strange request time... I'm looking for someone named Emma on this list. Ya see, an e-mail friend named Stacey from Indiana, who's not on this list, met Emma at Liz's show at the Vic Theatre in Chicago on Monday, October 26. She'd like to get in touch with you. If this sounds like you, please reply and I'll forward your e-mail addy to her. Thanks, Brian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:08:40 PST From: "Gregory Bell" Subject: Desert Island Discs Man... Five discs for the rest of my life or at least until my ship comes in??? How about fifty? After much thinking my five are: 1: X - Anthology 2: Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti 3: Liz - WCSE 4: Beatles - The Beatles (White Album) 5: Aaron Copland - Copland Conducts Copland (Appalachian Spring, Billy the Kid, Rodeo, Fanfare For The Common Man, others) That covers all my listening needs. Now, if I can just figure out a way to bring my guitar along, not to mention my four-track recorder, mixing equipment and a boat-load of blank tapes... Gregory Bell gbelldfw@hotmail.com - - Walk softly and carry a belt-fed weapon. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 20:41:54 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Webb Subject: New Observations of Old Remarks Hello all, I may be new to this list, but not to Liz, so I'll date myself a bit here. I was thinking back to an interview Liz did between Exile and Whip Smart. I believe it was on 120 minutes and Liz was talking about the focus you take on your first three albums. Being that Liz has completed three albums and we've had time to digest them, it seems like a good time to look at it. I believe she attributed the advice to Nash Kato of Urge Overkill. Anyway, this is what I remember her saying: Your first album is for you; Your second album is for the people; and your third album is for your people. This seems very fitting of my feelings of the three albums. Exile is obviously a very personal album. It is the album most people seem to prefer for that reason. The album is loaded with very personal songs and it doesn't feel like she was trying to make the album for anybody except herself. We just happened to dig the vibe. Whip Smart is very much a try to be famous album. I like it a lot, but not nearly as much as EIG and wcse. There are too many songs that are trying to be radio fodder(Supernova, Jealousy, Whip-Smart). This makes for good songs and I like them all independently, but it doesn't make for a very cohesive album. I don't want to come off as slamming WS. It still has my favorite Liz song(May Queen) and other moments of brilliance(Crater Lake, Nashville, Go West, etc.), but it's not as much a complete statement as the other two albums. wcse is, to me, the album for us. There are these great poppy songs that work for the radio and for the album. It's kind of the best of both worlds. My favorite songs on the album are the obvious and current singles(What Makes You Happy, Polyester Bride, Johnny Feelgood, Headache). The album works well as a complete statement and as an album of good singles also. Anyway, I'd like to hear everybody else's opinion and maybe somebody can tell me if I remembered the quote right. I'm pretty sure I did, but I could be wrong. Late, I'm out, Josh Webb == "And it feels like I've got something to prove But in some ways, it's just something to do"-Liz Phair "I can be a complicated communicator"-Liz Phair "This is the movie of a screenplay of a book about a girl who meets a junkie."-Sheryl Crow _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #81 ***********************************