From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #78 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, November 13 1998 Volume 01 : Number 078 Today's Subjects: ----------------- more of "i luv alanis", five albums [Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah Davi] Desert Island Discs [DeadShark@aol.com] L-I-G-H-T-E-N-U-P [MrE ] The truth on Chopsticks [moe@lac2.gulliver.fr] Re: support-system-digest V1 #77 [AngelLieb@aol.com] Violent dislikes ["Connolly, Michael EMC RSG" ] hehe! I made WCSE #1! [AngelLieb@aol.com] Liz dream, and other stuff [mhuisman ] MrE Word-a division of Manson Family Productions [MrE ] Female Nudity in Videos. [Dan ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #77 [Sara MacKinnon ] Just some random responses et al. [Nicole Weisberg ] ....ho hum.... [Suzanne Walsh ] desert island discs [Wetyuk@aol.com] whe & where is l. phair playing in d.c.? [thetick23@juno.com (james w bar] damn! more liz mentionings on tv! [The New Zero ] haha [The New Zero ] Can you all help me out? [kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee)] A few things [Matt Schulz ] OH NO! More ass talk! ["Alex Miller" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Nov 98 01:31:18 EST From: Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David) Subject: more of "i luv alanis", five albums - --- You wrote: I don't particularly like the song but what I admire is that she did the video in the nude, *and doesn't care that her body isn't PERFECT* It's about time that people accept that models don't reflect the way real women look. Alanis is a real woman, with real curves. - --- end of quote --- fer crying out loud, nobody ACTUALLY cares about alanis' weight. it's just her general suckiness that is ruffling everyone's undies. if it was someone larger than waif, but who was cool like . . . i dunno, pick someone, i'd be raving, i guess. swears i'll never post something w/ the name "alanis" in it again. 7) Liz fans, what five albums would you take to a desert island? You would never be rescued so they better have staying power. 1. Liz Phair--Whip-Smart 2. Matthew Sweet--100% Fun 3. The Magnetic Fields--The Charm of the Highway Strip 4. Velocity Girl--Copacetic 5. Belle & Sebastian--If You're Feeling Sinister (yeah, i know i didn't put exile on there. i'd need a little variety so i wouldn't go crazee. i like ws better, anyways. so crucify me.) sarah =^..^= p.s. anyone notice that there are an unusual number of sara(h)s and jasons on this list? heh heh. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 03:09:56 EST From: DeadShark@aol.com Subject: Desert Island Discs Jorge in Dallas asked: >>>7) Liz fans, what five albums would you take to a desert island? You would never be rescued so they better have staying power.<<< Ok, I'll play... 1.) Exile In Guyville--Liz Phair 2.) English Settlement--XTC 3.) Lifes Rich Pageant--REM 4.) Temple of Low Men--Crowded House 5.) Woodface--Crowded House Number 5 is subject to change to Together Alone, also by Crowded House. Or anything else I want, really. ;) About the new tour dates, woohoo! Sheesh, I am having a great year. Multiple Neil Finn and Liz Phair shows. I've said it before, I'm probably going to get run over by a bus. Just to even things out... Nora ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 01:05:41 -0800 From: MrE Subject: L-I-G-H-T-E-N-U-P i'm not evil...just misunderstood...not to mention quoted out of context! i'm quite sure of this to be no one's business, but my eldest daughter is anorexic, as are the daughters of a great many others by reason of our own insanity. how about the quote one last time: and jimmy, what in the hell are you talking about? is alanis responsible for rampant eating disorders? just lookin for a diet's all...thought maybe jagged little pill might work... that looks almost like...a silly, inane remark, harmless in context, ludicrous out of context...nuff said. and as far as you bostonian persons are concerned, a begrudging congrats. you do know that ted kennedy is from around there, right? what a finely honed piece of rotund karma defying minstrel of mirth he is! ask mary jo...(bad taste...almost sorry) can someone explain 'canary' to me? the nearest analogy i can derive is one of abuse directed toward either a child or a some other significant female. all i can really relate to, and this is at best speculation, is that the female character has the feel of not merely fear, but more of a dissociative disorder which is not all together uncommon women who have faced sexual and/or physical trauma. as for the canary, was this not the bird once sent carried into mine shafts to detect the presence of lethal gases, themselves becoming the first fatalities? there has just always been something inherently 'creepy' about the song... oh oh oh...(as though it matters)...i do not care if alanis has a butt! i do not care if her songs have become so esoteric as to alienate everyone! i could not possibly care less, in reality, about one alanis thing. BUT, she became my personal target when, and only when she had shown such utter disrespect for her fans at her lost angels show. satire/sarcasm will be equally administered to any performer exhibiting such disregard toward those who have 'made' her... and when did we forget how to laugh at ourselves... like right now-i'm laughing my flabby ass off at doug! it's not a human prerequisite to be mr. warm and happy, but you are one grouchy phuc! you're entitled and all, but could you maybe park some of the vitriol near a more tangible curb. 'come on get happy' (thanks katie-i despise that pathetic little tune almost as much as the brady bunch theme) and lastly maybe: Jorge, you are a shining example of not taking ourselves so seriously, the only example, but a shiny one! god only knows what the rest of us think...you certainly don't! HA. oh, the aforementioned tape is being mailed to katie brown, a bostonian person, provided i get an address. and no ms brown, i cannot e mail it... peace MrE ::::::::::::::::::wild:::::::::::::::: it's my choice to save my life it's my choice to roll the dice ::::::::::::::colonials:::::::::::::: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:39:29 +0100 From: moe@lac2.gulliver.fr Subject: The truth on Chopsticks Chopsticks: "I met him at a party and he Told me how to drive him home. He said he liked to do it backwards." Sorry but you're all wrong: it really means that he wants her to drive him all the way home *backwards*, like in reverse. ;) Moe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:20:18 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #77 << Keep hope alive Katie!!>> I won't! The tape (Austin) you sent to me is really great Jenny! Thanks a million! I felt like I was a part of the crowd and was having a blast. Is that you yelling and screaming in the background? Anymore requests for the posters and pens? So far, I have seven for both pens and posters. I'm including myself in these counts BTW. Argh! Me need to move quicker on my page cuz I'm dying to have something that includes fan inputs. Looks to me there's a lot of PJ Harvey fans and I'll scan the review I found in the NY Times on Sunday (11/8). Quite interesting, I haven't heard any of her music yet. There's a great picture of her too. Sigh....Friday the 13th....don't I just love challenging the superstitions my friends are always afraid of! Of course the deal w/ a black cat crossing your path is really something cuz I have a black cat and he's such a cutie. I love his beautiful golden eyes. Awwww! My little Jett-Boy! All right, must get back to the Phair stuff. If I were stuck on an island w/ five albums....tricky tricky... I know I'd have The Globe Sessions of Sheryl Crow. One down, four more. Fleetwood Mac's Rumours. Stevie Nicks's The Other Side of the Mirror or Bella Donna. And of course.. Liz's WCSE and Whip Smart. I'd include EIG, but I'm outta space. Well, thanks for listening, <> Jorge, I don't know why, but I could hear Elvis saying this! Katie ();) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:28:07 -0500 From: "Connolly, Michael EMC RSG" Subject: Violent dislikes >Date: 12 Nov 98 14:37:36 EST >From: Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David) >Subject: more of the same > > {snip} on the subject of violently disliking musicians, i don't think people actually >wish ill-will to anyone,..... Oh Yeah? Don't get me started on Jeff Lynne and what he did to Roy Orbison, Dave Edmunds, Bob Dylan and the rest. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:13:49 PST From: "M.L. Magdalene" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #75 > >Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:18:53 -0500 >From: Naomi Wright >Subject: support-system-digest V1 #73 -Reply > >in response to whoever wrote that alanis's butt was too big to >be shown naked and then proceeded to quote an ani difranco >song, you can't possibly understand what either ani or liz >stand for if you honestly believe that because alanis happens >to have some curves and a healthy figure and an ample ass >she shouldn't be allowed to be her natural self. it is sad and >you are one of the reasons women have such self esteem >problems and feel they need to be built like a fashion model >to be worthy. get a grip and learn to love others for who they >are and not how they look. you will be a happier person! : ) > >love and smiles to all, NaOmI > Yes, it is I who is responsible for all the worlds woe. I didn't say it was to big to be shown naked, and if i did it was not exactly what i meant, i think what i meant before you all(not all of you but you know who you are)chose to jump my ass, is i think it's a bit absurd that she did a video like that, because i wouldn't if i looked like that. Besides i think it was a superficial cry for help. And i was not aware of the fact that you knew Ani or I, or any of the others personally so please put your psychology book away and quit analyzing us. And in all actuality, if you had done your reading you would know it is not typically people like me,or models, or society that cause eating disorders at all.....well in one theory it is, but not really the one i belive in. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:22:31 -0500 (EST) From: LTN1@uno.cc.geneseo.edu Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #77 hi, i have posted a couple of times, but haven't really introduced myself. my name is laura, and i am 19 years old. i am a sophomore at geneseo, which is a little state school in western new york. been here for two years now, and still don't know how much i like it. well it has it's ups and downs. funny thing, i am friends with like 5 people here who were like obsessed with liz in highschool just like me. anyway, i am from long island, which is 6 hours away from here and like a different world to me. it's just that i am not used to farms but more like the ocean and New York being right there for me to play in. anyway, i have loved liz since sophomore year in highschool when i first got EIG by one of my best friends, who still loves liz too. we just became totally obsessed with her, for obvious reasons, right? well still going yanno. lately it's become that i get obsessed with a certaing song for like a month and cannot get enough of it. it is always a random song from a different album every month it changes. like a couple of months ago i cold not get enough of headache. it's just great. i love it. now it's stratford. i mean i loved the song before, but now i can't stop playing it over and over, my roommate is ready to kick my ass. well that's really all about me. i guess. i also love the dead, and used to love phish too. like pavement, and ani, and neil young, and shit like that. my musical tastes are very different, but liz is my favorite. i just feel like everything she writes is exactly what i want to say........well that's all for now. sorry for taking up your time. love,laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:34:18 -0400 From: "Ken \"Babyface\" Rogers" Subject: Liz' 11/30 show in Boston... some details The 11/30 Liz show is a local "maudlin rock" station's(WFNX) birthday show, and is also being held at Avalon(where the 12/1 WBCN show is happening). For the 11/30 show I believe that they're currently only giving away tickets to contest winners willing to listen to their powerfully-boring djs all day, and since Avalon probably only holds about 1000 there may not be any for sale tix... their phone number is 781 595 1017(concert line/requests)... I know that Tracy Bonham(sp?) is also on this bill and that there will probably be others as well, so I'd expect short sets from all, but don't know that for sure... you could root around their site for more info... I'll be the uptight-looking 6'2" guy(glasses and bad fashion-sense) with his 5'2" sweetie at the 12/1 show... my first time to a club in probably 4 or 5 years... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 98 10:20:49 -0500 From: dbickin@ibm.net Subject: Re: Desert Island >From: "Jorge (George) Cooper" >Subject: Desert Island >7) Liz fans, what five albums would you take to a desert island? You >would never be rescued so they better have staying power. Just five!?! Well, we'd probably be stuck on that desert island because I just couldn't only pick five, the sixth title would surely have weighed us down. Okay, I'll come up with two lists: Favorite albums 1. Elvis Costello - Armed Forces * 2. Elvis Costello - Blood and Chocolates * 3. Quarterflash - Back into Blue 4. Liz Phair - Exile in Guyville ** 5. Lindsey Buckingham - Go Insane 6. Sarah McLachlan - Fumbling Towards Estacy Albums I listen to most (in no particular order) Liz Phair - Fuck And Run - Official CD to play on long drive ACDC - Back in Black - Official CD to play on long walk Joan Osborne - Relish - this closet-nudist loves "Let's Just Get Naked" *** Moody Blues - Octave **** Susanna Hoffs - Susanna Hoffs - though I really really hate "Weak with Love" * You might think Elvis is my favorite performer, but the rest of his albums do nothing for me. I like all of Liz's albums. ** Yes, Liz is only number 4 on my list! I am so ashamed. And it took me forever to list her at all. I love the album, but I have to be in the right mood to listen to it. Fortunately, I am often in such a mood! "Stuck on an Island" tops my list of favorite songs, though. *** Though I subscribe to the strictly non-sexual-nudism group, so the sexual overtunes of "Let's Just Get Naked" are unfortunate. So I just ignore that and pretend she is just singing that world would be a better place if you just took off your clothes. Oh, I have refrained from commenting on the Alanis video controversy since I haven't seen the entire video or heard the entire song. (Lucky me) Besides which it has squat to do with Liz Phair. What I have seen and heard looks like a positive body-image message, and not a sensationalized sell-out to the MTV Spring Break crowd. The few comments on the video I have seen on the rec.nude newsgroup have been that it is a shame the producers felt the need to censor the image in the full-frontal scenes. **** I enjoy listening to Octave the most, and would have it in my favorite album list except that how could I include it, but not the rock classic "Days of Future Past", so I list neither. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 98 10:51:38 -0500 From: dbickin@ibm.net Subject: Re: Jase the Bady Guy >Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:44:08 -0500 >From: Jason Long >Subject: Please read >Hey everyone, >Usually I'm fairly easy-going as the owner of this mailing list, but at this >time, I would like to make a few requests of everyone: [snip] >I'm sorry if this comes off as being a little harsh -- I really hate playing >the bad guy, but it seemed that a refresher on list etiquette was needed. >Jase Nope, doesn't come across as too harsh. Most digests I subscribe to make little (public) effort to curb these things, and they are a pain at times to wade through. I do miss the personal comments you frequently ended the 6'1" digests with. They were great, and made 6'1" stand heads and shoulders above every other digest I subscribed to. You were my hero. Not that I don't fully understand you are too busy to keep up the daily input. (God I wish I had a job again so I could be that busy. Anybody know anybody looking to hire a spreadsheet jockey in South Jersey?) David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:09:52 -0500 (EST) From: Syrup@concentric.net Subject: Re: no more lurking KatieB - I would love to meet y'all for the Boston show, but alas, my boss won't let me take the days off so I can fly out there. jerk! =) I'm still thinking about making the trip out to philly and/or DC... just received my Denver tickets in the mail yesterday, but I called TicketChoice, and they STILL have heard nothing about it being postponed. - -drew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:38:09 PST From: "Jason Hotpins" Subject: Re: stuck on an island albums The five albums thing eh? 1.Teenage Fanclub-Bandwagonesque 2.Hum-You'd Prefer an Astronaut 3.Guided by Voices-Alien Lanes 4.Liz Phair-Whitechocolatespacegg and... 5.Radiohead-The Bends There you have it. Go see Liz in concert! Even if you have to travel across America to do it, because it's worth it! I gotta go buy the new issue of Daredevil, any one else read that most highest of literary form, the comic book? Later, Jay ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:58:34 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: hehe! I made WCSE #1! Hehehehe! My gosh I really lost myself today! Out of nowhere and out of boredom I decided to do something just for fun. In one of my classes we have the newspaper to read and I went to borrow white out from my teacher. So did I do? I changed all of the albums and singles and put in WCSE. With my friends knowing I'm a big fan of Liz, they saw what I was doing and laughed. Hahaha! I made WCSE number one! woo hoo! Boy! I had fun doing that. What a great way to start off the day at school. Another thing, I asked my friend if he liked the song WCSE when we listened to it in the car. He said yeah. The point of this is he was referring to the cookies I had made and not the song. I had the biggest laugh this morning. Gee....laughing enough huh? So, I have to get to the store and buy some more sour cream for the cookies he requested. Coolio profiles Jenny and MrE! MrE had me laughing so hard I almost fell out of my seat. Jenny, I can already see you up in the spaceship! "Um, Houston, I'm not getting any response from Jenny here." Over radio....."and I am standing six feet one...instead of " Well, you get the idea! ();) PJ Harvey fans, I scanned the review I was talking about earlier. Kinda blurry a little, but will gladly send it to anyone! It's the review of her concert at Hammerstein Ballroom. Katie ():) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:56:00 -0500 From: mhuisman Subject: Liz dream, and other stuff Just for the record.I DONT CARE ABOUT ALANIS MORISETTE'S @$$:-)!!...I seriously dont.....I like "Thank You", have never seen the video,a nd I'll leave it at that..... I had this weird Liz dream the other night... I was searching desperately for a copy of 'Exile' in a record store. But all I ended up finding was a cd type thing w/ liz on the cover. It was an instructional guide on how to play every song on EIG. It had weird, dark pics of Liz. Then I found one for 'Whip Smart'. Strange! Also, stop by my website and download a real audio full length version of Headache-with a different twist:-) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/4522/ Mind the crappy set up of my page...we're under construction. If u want, check out my Stacy Jones website (former drummer of Letters To Cleo AND Veruca Salt) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/4763/ C-yah Marlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:25:46 -0800 From: MrE Subject: MrE Word-a division of Manson Family Productions did i happen to mention that i'm a capricorn? no? good, 'cause i'm not... anyway, there might be another copy of the aforementioned tape lying about MrE Manor-first e... piece MrE ::::::::::::::::::sheryl:::::::::::::::::: i'd like to watch the sun come up in a strangers arms... :::::::::::::::::::crow::::::::::::::::::: ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:34:11 -0600 (UTC -06:00) From: Partha Subject: What's the deal? Rumor has it that Liz is not coming to Liberty Hall (Lawrence, KS) on November 23. She's posponing a bunch of her shows, I've been told. But, when I call Liberty Hall, they say that although they have heard similar rumors, they're still selling tickets and, as far as they know, she's still coming. So, my question is: what's the deal? If I don't see Liz in concert, I think I'll cry. pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:49:45 -0500 From: Dan Subject: Female Nudity in Videos. someone wrote: >Alanis - hostility, hostility! I can understand not > liking an artist, > but the recent examples of *violent* dislike puzzles me. Can > anyone at > least appreciate that it was brave to do a video in the nude? Nah!! Been there done that back in the Justify My Love/Erotica days....hell...Cyndi Lauper even dabbled in it in her "I Drove All Night" video...Bloody hell1!!_Shania Twain is nearly in the buff in all her videos!!! If you get, like, the guy from the Toadies to stand out on a street corner with his jimi hangin' out, hey - that's something new...:) just bein' dumb...I know exactly what Alanis was getting at, and i think if she would have made the same video about 5 years earlier, it would have been amazing, but I find it to be a rather cliche attempt to show that she is "baring her soul" (not to mention her ass), and showing the "real her", stripped "naked" of all her former illusions and infatuations and whatever... ya ya Alanis, we all think you are enlightened...we all think you are a genius, but for crying out loud, get a new routine and stop being so bloody general. Her new album, which I bought out of curiosity, is sooo lyrically general... she just tackles these giant issues and sums them up with a bunch of overuse with words like "apathy" "empathy" "providence" "nothingness" I mean, god... I wish she would just speak like a normal human being...it's like she's trying to be poetic or something..damn, i'm venting, sorry...no offence to Alanis fans, and I have nothing against poetic forms of speaking, but she is not being clear here..she's just using MEGA words and that's it. BLAH. they are too complex for the way she is using him..they don't even fit in...they just sound like a teeny Gen-Xer rocker girl who wants to use big words so everyone will think she is "soooooooo" intelligent and "soooooooo different" . I respect anyone who sees differently than I do regarding her work, but that's just my take on it. um..oh ya..Liz content..um... LIZ PHAIR ROCKS!! Dan. **************************************************** "Crash and burn, all the stars explode tonight." -Hole. **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:42:51 -0500 (EST) From: Sara MacKinnon Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #77 OK - I think this is the deal with the other Boston date. There is a birthday party for the radio station WFNX where she's playing. I think it's a win tickets only kind of thing. My friend's boyfriend was one caller away from winning. It got me all excited and then let me down. Sad. -Sara MacK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:53:03 -0500 (EST) From: Nicole Weisberg Subject: Just some random responses et al. Umm... AAAAAUGH! I forgot what I was going to write. It sucks when you get behind on digests, cuz then reading them seems like so much work... So I skimmed the ones I was behind on. Umm... Oh I know... Someone said "What Makes You Happy" sounds like "Ray of Light" (at least in the chorus), and I thought that was kinda funny cuz I always think that "What Makes You Happy" reminds me of "Material Girl" or something... just in the end when there's the echo... "matters matters matters matters... house house house... yada yada yada". I think it's material girl I'm thinking of. I dunno. My mind's not on straight right now. Ummm... shoot I forgot who it was who posted about meeting up before the boston show... but you mentioned my name (I think you meant me, unless there's another Nicole in teh boston area),but I think it would be cool to meet some other huge liz fans. In my hometown there's like... none, and here there are a sprinkling, but no one is like... HUGELY into Liz. At my school, I mean. So yeah. And yes... if anyone has info about this November 30th schindig, post or email!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Uhhhhh... I thought there was something else, but I don't rememer. Blast it. Sme of the keys on here are stuck or something, hence the omitted letters. Forgive me. AngelLieb... good luck on your website. I'll be very jealous if it turns out better than mine, which I imagine it will. BTW... does this page of yours have an address? I wanna check it out. Grrr. Someone the other day was saying they just don't like liz cuz they just don 't like her voice. I was like "Her voice is charming! That's much of the appeal of her! Her voice rocks! Just cuz it ain't no indigo girl shit... ya know?" Grr. I forget now who it was who was insulting liz, but I should find them and kick them in the pants. But eeryone is entitled to their opinion, I suppose. Grrr. Okay I"ve spewed alot. So I'll let you all rest your eyes. AAAAAAHAHAHA How appropriate... sort of. "Baby Got Going" just came on. Sorry... it still doesn't strike any knd of chord with me. All the other songs.. yes yes yes... but Baby GOt Going... nah. It kinda reminds me of "Can't Get There From Here" by rem, but I like "Can't Get THere from Here." I used to not, though, so maybe "Baby Got Going" will grow on me. I dunno. NOt to like... lengthen this discussion. Anyway... Alanis? I'd be glad to trade bodies with her! She's skinnier htan me. :o( - -Nicole I Spy a May Queen http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DontWalk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:38:10 -0500 From: Naomi Wright Subject: finally a profile personally, i just usually sit back and relax and read what everyone else has to say about liz. but since i had to comment in response to the comment about alanis, now i guess i should share myself with you since you all have shared yourself with me.... naomi tara wright is my name. i am 20. from vermont but attending Flagler College in St. Augustine, FL which is a beautiful city but a horrible college i am looking to transfer to possible mcgill in montreal but....i'm still figuring things out. i love liz, ani d, dar williams (if you haven't heard her, you should check her out) joni mitchell, talking heads, belly, did i mention ani d? she is so fabulous, i wanna be her. i am a red belt in taekwondo and hopefully will get my black belt when i am outta school since i am so close but.....we will see. i have brown hair and usually brown eyes, but sometimes they are very green and i have a figure similiar to alanis, which i don't consider fat at all but healthy and sexy and voluptous. everyone has different tastes though. me, i taste like....just kidding. i am thinking of majoring in spanish but don't know what the fuck i would do with it. i can remember song lyrics like they are nothing and would love to get some kind of job with music, because i love love love love any kind of music, but.....time will tell. i think that is enough info for now! i am always looking to email new people so if anyone cares to, email me! : ) i have yet to see liz, but hopefully one day. i have been to see ani d 3 times and she is amazing. i always end up in tears. and no, i am not always on the rag when i see her, either! : ) love and smiles to all, NaOmI ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 13:19:05 -0800 (PST) From: Suzanne Walsh Subject: ....ho hum.... OK, sorry if I'm confused about Naomi thinking I wrote that email about Ani, cuz in digest #77 my message was in, so I guess you weren't talking about me....But ya gotta admit, it sounded like me... On another note, I'm looking for advice...I missed Liz in Minneapolis cuz I couldn't get an ID to get into the 21+ concert...I had gotten over that...Then, she says she's going to Lawrence KS and so I go crazy and make plans to see her. This includes me and my friend buying Greyhound tickets for $120 and plans to stay with my brother in his house on the campus at KU. Now, she's cancelled that concert...So now there's talk to dates in December...problem is, I'm still a senior in high school and I don't think my parents will let me miss 3 days of school just to go to a concert. Also, my friend is taking some classes at the U and some of the finals are in Dec. So....I haven't really been dealing with it yet, I hadn't really accepted it but seeing it written down here is making me really depressed. Should I throw in the towel seeing as how all my attempts to see her have been thwarted? (BTW, the Greyhound tickets are non-refundable, but the date can be changed for additional $ ) Or should I try and convince my parents to let me go and maybe have to go by myself? This sucks so much...It has made me feel very mad at Liz herself. I know that's stupid but it honestly makes me mad at her! OK, that's enough blabbing. Any suggestions? == *Suzanne* ********************************************** * "I am not a pretty girl, * * I don't want to be a pretty girl, * * No, I want to be more than a pretty girl." * ************** Ani DiFranco ****************** _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:05:00 EST From: Wetyuk@aol.com Subject: desert island discs Now here's a thread (5 CDs we would take to a desert island from which we would never be heard from again) that I can get into (when do we get to stop talking about Alanis?). We have to pick five albums that will then constitute the only recorded music we hear for the rest of our lives. Cruel, but fun. My only rule was that I wouldn't pick more than one album from any particular artist (hey, it's only five albums, I need as much variety as possible). Hence, a nasty battle rages between WCSE and WS (yes, that's right, EIG is my third favorite Liz album). I also knew that I needed a Cowboy Junkies album since they're my favorite band. Anyway, here's my list in no particular order with brief comments: 1) Cowboy Junkies / Black Eyed Man -- I've always thought that it's sort of a concept album with the rural American south as the major theme. There are references to southern rain, horses in the country, the great grandsons of Robert E. Lee, and Macon, Georgia. The title track always makes me think of To Kill a Mockingbird. 2) REM / Automatic for the People -- "Nightswimming" and "Find the River" really are, in my opinion, the greatest last two songs on an album ever. 3) Everclear / Sparkle and Fade -- I listened to it at least four days a week for the better part of a year. There's a real short bass/drum instrumental after the first verse in "Pale Green Stars" that gets me excited every time I hear it. 4) Magnapop / Hot Boxing -- I was so psyched to see someone on this list mention it recently. I think that it's the most underrated album of the 90s. It's so edgy--I can put it on when I'm totally calm and by the end of it I'm agitated. 5) Liz Phair / Whitechocolatespaceegg -- Of her three albums, it's the one that has the lyrics to which I can most easily relate, and that's most important to me. "Perfect World" and "What Makes You Happy" are wonderful beyond description. It's going to be hell living without my Whip-Smart, but it's not supposed to be comfortable on a desert island. At least my five CDs will improve the environment a lot. I can't wait to see what everybody else lists. - --Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:19:48 -0500 From: thetick23@juno.com (james w barcus III) Subject: whe & where is l. phair playing in d.c.? is liz phair playing in d.c.? i don't see it listed anywhere. i heard she was playing at the 9:30 club...here's my desret island- r.e.m.-fables of the reconstruction fugazi-repeater grant lee buffalo- mighty joe moon bob mould-last dog and pony show archers of loaf-icky metal liz phair-whitechocspacegg jawbreaker-unfun magnapop-hot boxing patti smith-horses the bats-fear of god, or maybe the new pj harvey anything by alanis morisette would make me commit suicide. one of my friends says she sounds like a donkey , and i'd have to agree. "you want to cross your dna with something reptile"- R.E.M yours truly, j a m i e ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:49:14 -0500 (EST) From: The New Zero Subject: damn! more liz mentionings on tv! ok, so i was watching an Ellen re-run. her friend came into the bookstore and was like "guess what! i got tickets to see liz phair tonight!" random! the tv people really like liz. steve "Give me religion...and a lobotomy" --tori amos *beulah land* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:54:38 -0500 (EST) From: The New Zero Subject: haha ellen got pulled over on the way to see Liz and got taken to court and told the judge he should listen to liz even though there is "some cussing" funny;) steve "Give me religion...and a lobotomy" --tori amos *beulah land* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 19:19:19 -0600 (CST) From: kenmlee@ix.netcom.com (Kenneth Lee) Subject: Can you all help me out? Hey everyone, I have a chance of obtaining 7(!) cassettes worth of Liz Phair demos and outtakes but I really need the help of everyone who is on this list. The person offering these tapes is asking for a lot of money (if you want to know, it's $1250+!). So I am asking if each and everyone of you on the list could contribute $2 each. I could purchase these tapes, and in turn I will give everyone in return a copy of all the tapes! Would everyone here be willing to do this? I will put up the rest of the money. I have until December 1st to do this. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity and I don't want these tapes to fall in the wrong hands. I would rather that everyone get to hear Liz's work in progress for a mere $2 rather than have some bootlegger charge $25 per CD for the material. Or worse yet have someone get the tapes and sit on them forever... :( Normally I wouldn't do something like this, but I can't afford to purchase these tapes alone. I need your help. I had reservations about asking, but I asked Jase, our esteemed list owner, and he said this idea is okay with him. If you need some more incentive, here's what I have been offered: - -----Original Message----- ken, hello I have bunch of Liz Phair tapes you might want...there from the space egg demos. My old roomates played on the record (jaison chasko,stoley) and left a bunch of original studio tapes from Trax recording studios when they left. special bonus cassette of Liz and Scott Litt (producer) alone in studio. This is A one time deal, Im not going to put these out otherwise...heres your chance to be the only person in the whole fuckin world to have these tapes... seven tapes total. as for songs,what makes you happy demo what makes you happy rough mix blood keeper big tall man bars of the bed demo rough mix of entire record on one tape plus dont forget the tape of her and scott that takes up about 50 minutes. - -----End of Original Message----- I hope you are all willing to contribute. It would be a very nice Christmas present for Liz phans everywhere. :) If you have any questions about this, you can email me at: kenmlee@ix.netcom.com Feel free to express your concerns over the matter... If you want to help me get these tapes, send $2 (in cash, if possible) to: Kenneth Lee P.O. Box 1972 Union City, CA 94587-6972 Thanks for listening... :) - -Ken kenmlee@ix.netcom.com MeSmErIzInG - AnOtHeR LiZ PhAiR WeBsItE http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Club/2471/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:48:24 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Schulz Subject: A few things Hey, just wanted to get my two cents in on a few things. 1. Alanis is hot. Not in the walk-into-things, babble, and forget-your-name way that Liz is, but she is very attractive nonetheless. And I must say that I side with the folks who mention the rise in bulimia and anorexia when they hear some of the responses here. If Alanis' ass is too huge, then what chance do most women have of measuring up? Virtually nil. 2. I think its great that people have been bringing up the late, great Replacements and REM -- my two all-time favorite bands -- on the list. Just goes to show you that Liz fans have taste. 3. What discs would I bring to a desert island? Yikes. The Replacements' Tim, REM's Reckoning and Automatic for the People would be there, certainly. Guyville probably would too. Other contenders: Pearl Jam's Vs., the entire REM catalog, the Replacements' Let it Be and Pleased to Meet Me, Uncle Tupelo's No Depression, Liz's SpaceEgg and some others. Damn...what a tough choice. Don't know if I could make it. 4. Was thinking about this and wondering: Is Headache the last thing ever recorded with Bill Berry, Mike Mills and Peter Buck playing together on it? If so, I think its very cool that they bowed out on an album as brilliant as WCSE. I've gone on too long, but just had to say some things. Thanks... Matt Schulz The Glory of Liz Phair http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Frontrow/5064/index.html == Matt Schulz schulz52@yahoo.com - ----------- "Speak out sometimes. And try to win" - -- REM, Perfect Circle _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 22:00:59 -0500 From: "Alex Miller" Subject: OH NO! More ass talk! Sorry to keep this topic alive, but I got a little behind on the digests after having a REALLY shitty week (flu, car accident, on and on...), and there has been some juicy discussion lately. First off, on the ass of Alanis. Personally, I have no problem with the SIZE of her ass. I like some meat on the bones. However, my problem is with the SHAPE. I don't no if anyone else has noticed, but at the beginning of the video, when you see her behind from behind (sorry...) there seems to be, well, almost like a four inch shelf sticking out from the bottom of her ass. And not the whole ass itself, just the bottom part, like an inch tall. I've given my rear a good checking, and I don't see no shelf, and I've seen many other bare butts, and never seen no shelfs, so what the hell? Is it some kind of lighting problem? Damn, it's kind of freaky. Other than the start, though, I think her body looks fine the rest of the video. And for the people getting all worked up about one little comment, and going on to tie that in to every problem women have, the problem isn't the comments, it's when people get so worked up about it and blow it all out of proportion, and it grows and grows until you can't even figure out how you got to that point from the first comment. This is the second time this has happened since I joined the list, and it disturbs me. Can't people express their opinions on here? I thought that's what this list was for. Let's all just relax, people. Also, to the guy who's girlfriend won't let him listen to Liz...I'd say move on, man. Seriously. If she can't accept you listening to a female musician, there's no way a long-term relationship would ever last. She's needs to get some more years on her. Gotta go for now, I'll be back later if I remember more to respond to. Alex ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #78 ***********************************