From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #76 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, November 12 1998 Volume 01 : Number 076 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: NEW TOUR DATES!!! [Jason Long ] Me in Perfect World [AngelLieb@aol.com] 'Free Heidi'-my only political precept... [MrE ] 'happiness is a warm gum...' [MrE ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #75 ["Robert Hart" ] FUNDAMENTALIST WOMENFOLK [Greg Bishop ] it's not about ALANIS [jimmy ] Random responses ["Connolly, Michael EMC RSG" ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #75 ["Valerie J. Barry" ] Space Omelet [moe@lac2.gulliver.fr] Re: support-system-digest V1 #74 [Lucas Miller Johnson ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #75 ["M.L. Magdalene" ] more of the same [Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David)] Me had a spaceeggy day! [AngelLieb@aol.com] Great gift ideas [AngelLieb@aol.com] New Date for Raleigh 12/06 confirmed ["Jenks, Jason" ] first post [Yoon Kim Miller ] librarytapeflavoredthing [MrE ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 01:14:03 -0500 From: Jason Long Subject: Re: NEW TOUR DATES!!! PokaDot420@aol.com wrote: >i just recieved these new tour dates in my email!! ill be at the atlanta >show, its the day after my birthday (very good present from liz) i cant >wait!!! > > >11/15 Roxy Atlanta >11/16 Ritz Chapel Hill >11/19 Aerial Theatre Houston >11/20 Deep Ellum Live Dallas >11/22 Ogden Theatre Denver >11/23 Liberty Hall Lawrence >11/24 American Theatre St. Louis Please disregard these dates, everyone -- these are old dates that have been cancelled. I believe someone else has posted the new tour dates already; however, if anyone still needs them, let me know and I can forward them to you. Jase ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 06:22:26 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Me in Perfect World Ooo cool! People like my profile! ();) Oh well, me am cool, tall (four inches taller and I'd be standing 6'1"), vulnerable (will point out) and luscious (um maybe). I'm really happy for everyone who gets the chance to Liz, but I'm at the point of crying right now cuz she won't come down to FL! When I mentioned to my mother that Atlanta's show was postponed (?), I think she noticed how badly I wanted to see her. One thing I have noticed is that most of Liz's concerts are during the week and I got the impression that my mom would have given in to drive me to Atlanta if it were on a weekend. Sigh...me cried myself to sleep and crying now. Sorry to put this out on everyone, I'd really like to see Liz in concert. Will have a spaceeggy day as usual! Katie ();) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 03:35:40 -0800 From: MrE Subject: 'Free Heidi'-my only political precept... well boys and girls, it was asked for, and always being the obliging soul that i am... Who the hell am I? I am an Oregonian expatriate with current residency in an unmapped portion of southern California called Gahanna. I, like alanis, also have a nearby retreat, but the dogs get real upset when I invade their home…At this point in time, I have five cats, four children, three dogs, two psychiatrists, one wife and a partridge (Susan Dey) in a … My favorite toys are my Jeep Wranglers, which I most probably enjoy for the intimidation factor. The Real Illusion's (jeep #1) rear windows are entirely obscured with mostly irreverent stickers ranging from the Elvis ‘I’m dead’ to ‘bad cop-no donut’… Most believe me to be musically challenged, to which I say: “Celine Dion is the angel of death and your fate is sealed”. My favorites would be Nirvana, Liz Phair, Dwight Yoakum (psychobilly), Mazzy Star, p j harvey, Sleater-Kinney (and their various incarnations) and Sheryl Crow. And by the way-what in the hell happened to Hole and Garbage? Did I mention Nirvana…some of us still mourn. My passion is reading, most of which is in the horror-fantasy genre. Clive Barker is the King of the World and in spite of not having met Liz, I've met Clive five times. My main collectibles collection is my Clive stuff, signed first editions, lithographs, etc. Two great Clive Barker sites would be: http://www.clivebarker.com/html/visions/visions.html and http://www.webcom.com/tby/cbarker.html Other collections include my renowned bunch of odd whatevers (things that amuse me), my cd's (of which there are about 700) and my Michelle Pfeiffer items… I also have a fairly impressive collection of former spouses. And lest I forget, I really love comedians and illusionists…Penn and Teller, Judy Tenuta, Craig Shoemaker, Bobcat, David Copperfield and so on. I would describe myself as ‘an older child than I used to be’ and an eccentric-eclectionist with a penchant for dark humor and biting satire. An example containing some of both would be: ‘The license said you had to stick around until I was dead. But if you're tired of looking at my face, I guess I already am’ and ‘Hello it's me, I'm not at home. If you'd like to reach me, leave me alone’. And so on… My favorite food group is Dryer's Swiss Orange sherbet and I only use drugs that have been prescribed for me…although my idea of prescription varies widely from orthodox. Television is…television, and if that's where it's at for you, that's fine by me. But with few exceptions, I detest it. At most any given time in my home, there are at least three of them on. Why? ‘Mine is not to reason why, mine is but…to live in peace’. I do watch the various movie channels and I do watch a show called ‘Two Furniture Guys’ on one of the Discovery Network channels-high hilarity! My aspiration is to write, but my self discipline and constant editorializing of what I have written seems to disallow this from reaching fruition. And I shall bring this to closure with a quote from Clive Barker's ‘Everville’ that has helped me out many times in this life of constant inconsistencies: “Isn't it a universal truth that men regret their lives, and die wishing they could live again?” Just something to think about… peace MrE - -for anyone wondering, MrE was a title applied to me by friends. It is derived from Edward and mystery… - -and this is a site REALLY NEW and IN PROGRESS: http://westwood.fortunecity.com/vuitton/376/ and was much better before they stuck those fn banners on it... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::stones:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: you got to scrape the shit right off your shoes... :::::::::::::virginia-exile_on_main_street::::::::::::: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 04:31:45 -0800 From: MrE Subject: 'happiness is a warm gum...' regretfully absent from the definitive MrE post is Maria Mckee as a favorite. if you've not acquired a copy of 'life is sweet' you're collection is incomplete... jewelbaby- BTW- some people have been saying that they don't really like "Girls' Room."Personally, it's one of my favorites! I love the lyrics. i agree, finding it to be very clever and as someone previously posted, rich in meaning... Cindy Re: Alanis - hostility, hostility! I can understand not liking an artist, but the recent examples of *violent* dislike puzzles me. Can anyone at least appreciate that it was brave to do a video in the nude? & MrE, don't ever stop posting to this list. Although I'm convinced you live on Jupiter, your views always elicit a smile, or a scratching of the head, or just a REACTION. Love 'em! for starters, no one ever appreciates my nude expeditions...and that address would be Hell, CA 90666. it's alanis that resides on jupiter...and about tourettes, you're not afflicted? hum... hotpins- Anyway, I attended this show with my girlfriend, age 19, I'm 22 and male. After this event my girlfriend forbids me to listen to Liz in our apartment, and even the mention of her calls down the thunder! Anybody else experience this? What do I do, she is VERY jealous?! she's not really jealous, she's become a liz love-slave and now would like you to leave... naomi- in response to whoever wrote that alanis's butt was too big to be shown naked and then proceeded to quote an ani difranco someone actually posted a reference to "The Alanis Butt" and them quoted ani d? i am sorry i missed that! it's life's little incongruities that make it worth living! the rev. jim- Getting together before the show sounds good to me...anyone else interested, Dallas folks? sure, you gonna pick me up? and lastly maybe: for jenny-congrats on going to lizland! no one is more deserving. and for katie: i would be interested in the 12x12 if the price is not exorbitant. and for polka-dot and jenny: which one of you is living in a time warp? peace MrE ::::::::::::::::::nilsson:::::::::::::::::: you can jump into the fire but you can never be free... ...we can make each other happy ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: (does anyone else remember the intensity this song lent to a scene in 'goodfellas'?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 04:53:51 PST From: "Robert Hart" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #75 I was listening to Providence, RI's "modern rock" station the other day and was sick of hearing crap like silverchair and bush, so I decided to call in to their request hour and ask for some "Polyester Bride" action.... well, to my shock, I soon found out that they didn't even have the single. Upon further investigation I discovered that the "source for alternative rock" was really only playing the gawky alterna-ballads, along with a new-wave hit sprinkled in every hour for good measure. Well, as you can all imagine, I was saddened imensely and pulled out my well worn WCSE. I am 22 and just graduated from USC (in LA).. I have not enjoyed new music in a LONG time like I enjoy Liz, ever since exile. I also enjoy Belle and Sebastian, but my CD player seldom contains anything post-1989 (Pixies, REM, New Order). My fav group is the Replacements, Paul Westerberg has always been a big influence. From the first Mats song I was immediately taken by his husky everyman voice and felt there existed some sort of bond between us, and I never felt that way again until I first heard EIG. She spoke to something inside that I had scarcely been able to admit to the world..... Well, for the record, I prefer "Baby Got Going" better to "Only Son".... what do you guys think of "Headache"? I love the meandering lyrics, it makes me feel like daydreaming..... "Got the Russian army running through my head on one side of me lies the enemy and the other half is dead..." It always brings me back to the pains of my freshman-year love life... by the way, I may have missed this discussion, but I have not figured out what 'Ride" is getting at, 98.5, positive T-cell regeneration, AIDS? I love the line "sticks and stones can break my bones and boys can make me kick and moan" anyways, I have greatly enjoyed the discussion here.......... rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 06:32:36 -0700 (MST) From: Greg Bishop Subject: FUNDAMENTALIST WOMENFOLK >my girlfriend forbids me to listen to Liz in our >apartment, and even the mention of her calls down the thunder! Anybody >else experience this? What do I do, she is VERY jealous?! It seems my >girlfriend would settle for being cool, 5'2, guitar playing, and the >object of a big crush on my part. She sounds like a "fundamentalist girlfriend." "Yes, I have sinned in my heart." I have a fundamentalist wife who reacts almost as badly. After I told her I had met Liz at the L.A. show backstage after some crafty sneaking about, she scowled & left the room. What's the deal? She has a pic of a shirtless Jeff Bridges in her walk-in closet. Even if she thinks of him once in awhile while we're doing it & it makes things better, I have no problem with it. (I don't do this with Liz, BTW.) Geez. Let us have our fan-tasies at least! The weird thing is she said she liked "Uncle Alvarez." Hey girls, what's up with this? Give us some insight! P.S. Thanks to all who traded tapes with me recently. Y'all rock. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:44:15 -0500 From: jimmy Subject: it's not about ALANIS i wrote: <<< yikes.. and people wonder why anorexia and bulimia exist... >>> then MrE responded: >and jimmy, what in the hell are you talking about? is alanis responsible >for rampant eating disorders? just lookin for a diet's all... alanis isn't responsible for eating disorders... society is. look at the people on this list who demand she lose weight for THEM. cuz she doesn't live up to some perfect body image that THEY have. you're "just" looking for her to go on a diet?? gross. it isnt about ALANIS at all.. it's about these lame, horrifyingly detrimental expectations people have of others to be waif models. and to "M.L. Magdalene" who says alanis should be "prepared to deal with" such criticism: just because alanis is famous doesn;t mean she should BE EXPECTED to deal with people like you telling her she's overweight. NO ONE SHOULD DEAL WITH THAT. and a giant hi-5 to naomi, who hit the nail on the head: >it is sad and >you are one of the reasons women have such self esteem >problems and feel they need to be built like a fashion model >to be worthy. get a grip and learn to love others for who they >are and not how they look. you will be a happier person! : ) anyhow, that's all. i'm now expecting someone to personally write me a mean note now. it often happens on the liz list. last time someone said i must be really fat and have eating problems. sometimes i'm overcome with love from this list. xjimmy - -- Sleater-Kinney Concert Reviews + Tour Dates http://my.voyager.net/jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:51:40 -0500 From: "Connolly, Michael EMC RSG" Subject: Random responses > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:41:00 -0600 > From: "Jorge (George) Cooper" > 8) When asked about the contents of the glowing briefcase in Pulp > Fiction, Quentin Tarantino said, "It's whatever you want it to be. That's > not a cop out. It's just better that way." Alfred Hitchcock called this device a "McGuffin".. It's there solely to advance the plot of the film, and means nothing in and of itself. >Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 00:55:25 -0600 >From: "Jennifer Sayler" >I am probably going to major in Biology, but I really want to be an astronaut. I have wanted to be one since I was like 4 >yrs. old, so I am pretty sure about that. Jennifer, check out http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/ah/jscjobs/aso/astroapp.htm for an application. >Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:53:40 PST >From: "Jason Hotpins" > After this event my girlfriend forbids me to listen to Liz in our apartment, and even the mention of her calls down the thunder! > Anybody else experience this? What do I do, she is VERY jealous?! Jason, a similar situation in our house. When Whip Smart came out, my wife told a former roommate of mine (not really a friend, because after I moved out of there, I never really made any effort to talk to him much) that I was really into Liz Phair. Mr Class-Act said, to my wife, "No, he really _wishes_ he was in Liz Phair". I am convinced that one remark from someone she had no respect for anyway has prejudiced her against Liz Phair's music since then. As for what you can do, make a choice between listening when your lady's not around or showing her the door. I'd recommend the former, myself. >Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:13:19 -0500 >From: "Cynthia Nagle" >Does anyone else think it's pretty cool that Liz likes Madonna's Ray of Light album? I don't have it, but what I've heard I really like - >a welcome departure for Madonna, shows her growth as an artist. Well, as a related matter, does anyone think "What Makes You Happy" sounds a lot like "Ray Of Light", at least in the chorus? >Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 17:18:53 -0500 >From: Naomi Wright > in response to whoever wrote that alanis's butt was too big to be shown naked and then proceeded to quote an ani difranco > song, you can't possibly understand what either ani or liz stand for if you honestly believe that because alanis happens > to have some curves and a healthy figure and an ample ass she shouldn't be allowed to be her natural self. it is sad and > you are one of the reasons women have such self esteem problems and feel they need to be built like a fashion model > to be worthy. And you thought you were just guilty of bad taste when in fact you're solely responsible for the low self-esteem of every woman in America. Shame on you!!! Mikey C Va Beach (An unfamous, but not that kind of, guy) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 05:59:42 PST From: "Chipko Arnold" Subject: R.E.M. & stuff good to see there are a lot of R.E.M. fans here, as they are the best band in the world. In a recent interview Peter Buck was asked what was on his in-car hi-fi and his reply was Liz Phair WCSE. So if you ever hear liz blaring from a car in Seattle, that might be Peter. Also someone wrote about the number 7 on R.E.M. sleeves. I think this was only on the first 3. On Fables it's only on the vinyl version as the sleeve is slightly different on cd. Also most of the sleeves have the songs in the wrong order, or extra tracks listed or missing. The cover of Murmer has the tracks listed with Moral and Kiosk on either side, hence "inside the moral kiosk" and you thought it was a printing mistake. The 4 & R thing with Green WAS a mistake by Stipe when typing on a manual typewriter and he liked the way it looked so it stayed, hence Stand is track R not 4. I could go on for hours about R.E.M. , but i think i'll spare you now, but if you want i could give you details of their gig in Stockholm on Monday... No, sorry no time. Suffice to say AWESOME. I'd also like to say how happy i am for Jennifer now Liz is going to Nashville, Jennifer go wild and crazy for me, music is the most important thing in life and if people think you're crazy for getting REALLY excited then they're probably not worth spending time on. Also, don't ever stop getting excited. I feel R.E.M. restored something in me, their energy and power really cheered me up, if they can still do it and be passionate then so can their fans and hopefully it will never go away. And (no really, this is it) Katie, you're mad in a great way. May your enthusiasm never wane and your merchandise ventures be successful. I'm outta here. "and i wonder how i've come to know so much less than i knew before" ... Joseph Lee Henry. "i know the promise is so much better than the real thing" ... Grand Drive. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:01:16 -0500 From: "Valerie J. Barry" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #75 i've been a bit lax on reading my digests (unfortunately, duty calls and doesn't leave much time for such things). however, this alanis body-bashing is a bit ridiculous. granted, she put it out for all to see and should expect some criticism, but in the big scheme of things, i would hardly describe her as overweight. she's healthy, i just read in rolling stone that she did three triathalons over the past couple years - let's see most of us on this list do that! hardly someone that should inspire one to promote eating disorders! what if liz gained forty pounds? would it affect how you felt about her? alright, off the soapbox... on a much happier note, i've been a liz fan since '93 and AM FINALLY GOING TO SEE HER!!!! this sunday, at the roxy in atlanta. anyone else going? e-mail me if you want to hook up for a drink, etc. before or after the show! xoxo, Valerie ******************************************************** Valerie Barry valerieb@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:19:24 -0500 From: Becky Crow Subject: Liz Tour Dates Before the DC fans get their hopes up, according to the 9:30 Club Web site, the Meters are playing on December 4, not Liz. " And I just got the following from Hollywood & Vine: New Liz Phair tour dates have just been announced! 12/03 Electric Factory Philadelphia 12/04 9:30 Club D.C. 12/06 The Ritz Raleigh 12/07 328 Performance Hall Nashville 12/08 The Roxy Atlanta http://hollywoodandvine.com/lizphair ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:46:50 +0100 From: moe@lac2.gulliver.fr Subject: Space Omelet MrE: >and for the record: i know there are a number of stones fans on this >list, but really, isn't time for these guys to just fucking be embalmed >or something. all the >magic's gone. dear mick, you no longer appear to be the barnyard rooster >when you strut about. you simply look like someone in the last stages of >syphilis. stop it... I am a fan of what they did until 1981 and Tattoo You but even if I'm not really interested in what they do today, I think that it's only up to them to decide if they want to stop or not. Never heard of a law that you must stop playing music after a certain age? Wow cool pics of Liz Jase :) Zachary R. Sung: >Since we can't ever really know for sure >where an electron is (Heisenberg's uncertainty principle) we define an area >where it probably is, and these shapes are those areas. Either we can know where it is or its speed but not both. Thanks for the URL. And for anyone interested in Heisenberg's principle, go to http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~imamura/208/jan27/hup.html Wow the things we talk about on this list!! ;) TMK: >(BTW, does anyone >else think that Alanis' ass is a *little* to big for her to be shooting videos >in the buff?) and M.L. Magdalene: >Yes, her ass is much to big for her to be shooting in her >birthday suit! And, does anyone else thing her belly button is a little >high? *shrug* I hate it when people are judged on what they look like. Damned society brainwashing people with its stupid standards of beauty. Fuck that! Props to Jennie, Jimmy and NaOmI on that subject. MrE: >and jimmy, what in the hell are you talking about? is alanis responsible >for rampant eating disorders? She is not but the people/media trying to convince you that if you don't look a certain way then you don't fit, those are responsible. Cindy: >Can anyone at >least appreciate that it was brave to do a video in the nude? Yup! LOOK MA!!! I'm caught up! :) Moe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:58:01 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: Lucas Miller Johnson Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #74 > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 17:41:00 -0600 > From: "Jorge (George) Cooper" > Subject: Matador lip service > > > > 1) I was getting antsy so I called Matador to find out about the > postponed November dates. "Is Liz sick," I asked with motherly concern. > The receptionist chuckled and said Liz is just taking some time off for > Thanksgiving. The dates will be rescheduled for December. > Thanks fra da update! > It would be fun to get together and meet fellow Liz fans before the > Dallas show. The Deep Ellum area > has plenty of cool places. More on that later. Yay, it's gonna be a pahty! :D > > Just thought you might like to know that, according to Gerard Cosloy, > _whitechocolatespaceegg_ has sold over 160,000 copies so far (as of last > week's figures, apparently). > *Gerard* said that? (Then it must be true.) Who's Gerard Cosloy? Love, Lucas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:06:52 -0500 From: Mike Marlatt Subject: Starbucks Compilation So I'm in the Starbucks on 4th Avenue in Vancouver and notice that they have some CD's that they put together for sale. One of them is a tribute to Lilith Phair disc. Believe it or not it does not include Sarah McLachlan (!). But Liz is on it!!!!! And even better, they picked a wicked song, Uncle Alvarez. Other artists on the disc include Bettie Serveert (!) singin' Link Kirsten Hersch (!) Lisa Loeb Tara McLean and a bunch of other artist that I can't remember but they were not "no-names" and it wasn't the typical Lilith players (although I think Paula Cole was on it). If you can't find it at your local starbucks I guess can pick them and mail them to anyone who wants one (but no, I won't pay for it!). It was about C$17 (about US$11 or 12). MIKE MARLATT Investment Advisor NESBITT BURNS INC. Work Tel: 604-443-1622 Fax: 604-443-1490 Toll Free: 1-888-346-3133 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:40:19 PST From: "M.L. Magdalene" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #75 > >Re: Alanis - hostility, hostility! I can understand not liking an artist, >but the recent examples of *violent* dislike puzzles me. Can anyone at >least appreciate that it was brave to do a video in the nude? > It's not violent that i think her ass is big. Little did i know that insulting large asses was so taboo around here. I can't begin to appreciate how much bravery it took to do a video nude since she is wearing one of those Marilyn Manson like suits!! Honest, besides, i've been in a grocery store naked before and i wasn't in India getting paid a million dollars! No gold stars for Alanis. Not for this one. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:18:05 -0500 (EST) From: Sara MacKinnon Subject: Bostonians are luckier than most... Hi everyone. What a year to live in Boston! Not only did I get to see a kick-ass show in October, I got to meet her, and now I get to see her again. SHe's playing on december 1st and I have tickets. Even more exciting - I have three new liz fans who begged to come with me. It's so nice to have someone else get all excited about this stuff... For the record, I love all the songs on WCSE, but only sone is definitely my least favorite. The beginning drags. I think I am finished for now. -Sara MacK PS- Thanks to whomever posted that she was coming back here- I live in a cave and didn't even know... ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 98 14:37:36 EST From: Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David) Subject: more of the same A mystery from Mr. E . . .? - --- You wrote: it has been widely rumored that this was done specifically to annoy sarah david... - --- end of quote --- sorry, but . . . heh? i don't exactly think alanis is the anti-christ, but i thinks she sucks and her video grosses me out. i'm not the type of person to go around actually hating celebrities, etc. i was just expressing my opinion on the subject that was brought up . . . so . . . hey MrE . . . Kathy Lee!!!!!!!!!!!! To address the issue of weight/anorexia/feminism and whatnot, I don't see why a true feminist would support any sort of nudity on eMpTV. just watch the endless spring break programming. tits and ass all the way. it's kind of obvious who they're catering to. i think alanis (dare i say the name w/o being harassed) should know that by now. i don't for a moment believe that she thinks that video is artwork. she knows the audience she is reaching--at least she does if she isn't a complete moron . . . well i may have to retract those past few statements (oh alanis sux die die die in a violent way you stupid . . . i'm kidding, geez) i don't particularly find her to be brave either. baring it all to millions of drooling (gagging?) frat boys and teens worldwide is just another way of trying to push sales or attract attention. it's nothing new. on the subject of violently disliking musicians, i don't think people actually wish ill-will to anyone, i just think that in this particular medium it's a way for them to show how annoyed they are with having to constantly be subjected to stuff they don't like (do i hear that goddamned barenaked ladies song playing yet again???). so, i think the "lightening up" suggestion works for both sides . . . Jason: After this event my girlfriend forbids me to listen to Liz in our apartment, and even the mention of her calls down the thunder! Anybody else experience this? not about liz, but my old boyfriend wasn't too crazy about a matthew sweet obsession i harbored a few years back. at one point, he ripped my beloved girlfriend poster right off my wall. rude! well off to see if i can see liz in dc again on the 4th, sarah "kathy lee rawks!" david =^..^= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:48:21 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Me had a spaceeggy day! Well, I survived the day even though it started out pretty bad. Cried all through the drive to school and all through my first class. But then, when I got to second class, I tried to cheer myself up by singing Supernova and that really worked. I found my friend sitting next to me bobbing her head and she had to ask what I was singing. Before this class was over, we got into the discussion about album nicknames and of course, I mentioned WCSE. I asked if she wanted to see what the title looked like spelled out and I almost used up the chalk when I wrote it on the board. Then what did I do? I wrote Liz's name under it and said proudly, I recommend this cd! Third class, had to take a bunch of notes for American government class (greatest class in the world huh?) and whenever the teacher said "fair," I kept writing "phair." I had to look at it and laugh at myself. The whole entire time I cried my friends kept telling me to get over it and to cheer up. I told them they wouldn't understand cuz they're not into music like I am and aren't big concert freaks like I am. Good thing I know how to cheer myself up by thinking of a Liz song. Just wanted to let everyone know I cheered up cuz the post earlier was really down in the dumps. More things about me: I forgot to mention I also have three ear piercings in each hole. I love to dream and am always cooking up a good idea. One object I must always have with me, a pen cuz you never know when a poem could pop into your head. I thought of explaining what my screen name means: AngelLieb. I believe in angels and have who knows how many angel figurines in my room. Lieb is a German word for sweet, kind. I have a friend who calls me Lieb and Generous, for the Kind and Generous song I love so much from Natalie Merchant. Sigh, I think I have a Liz phan in the works. There this long distance friend I keep in touch w/ by emails and AOL instant messenger. Of course, I'm always talking about Liz's music and when I used a quote I like from Dance of the Seven Veils, she said she liked it. So what does she ask? Play it the next time we talk on the phone. Woo hoo! And I scored a touchdown! Break it down! *end zone dance* Hehehe! Me am off to go work on my page, I'm dying to get it started cuz there's a page that's for ....oops! Mustn't reveal it! Also, my scanner cooperated w/ me today and I got to scan that Cinco de Mayo stamp I have! yippee! I'll be adding that to my page so everyone can see it. Having a mess of fun as usual. Katie ():D "Ben Ben Ben Ben Ben Ben Ben" arrrrrrrgh! Get over it Felicity! Ben's never gonna date you! Ooops! Completely lost myself here. BTW, did I mention that I love The X Files and have a silver necklace w/ letter cubes spelling it out? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:13:21 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Great gift ideas *tick tock tick tock* The clock is ticking and I thought it would be a great idea to cook up some Liz gifts! I'm still waiting to hear from anyone who is interested in the pens I mentioned, so far there's seven. Posters...... Um, the year is almost over and wouldn't a Liz calendar be a great item to have in our collection? Hoho hoho.... Wait! Can't say that yet! Katie ();) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:30:30 -0500 From: "Jenks, Jason" Subject: New Date for Raleigh 12/06 confirmed I called the Ritz in Raleigh today and they confirmed the new show date for Liz as 12/06 instead of 11/16/98. Cya there! Mark Schmidt wrote: <<< I can't be absolutely sure of this, but I think there was a version of the EIG cover, early on, that was cropped just a little lower. On my copy, you can see just the very slightest little bit of Liz's left nipple. I'm pretty sure I saw, before I got around to actually BUYING the album, a more significant portion of said nipple....>>> I bought my copy of EIG when it first came out and I was just looking at it yesterday and noticed her nipple on the lower right. So you're right! I guess we're lucky if there's a clean version out now. Does that mean we have an actual Liz collectable? I wonder how many of these first versions were issued. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:10:26 -0500 (EST) From: Syrup@concentric.net Subject: Boston dates? hey, can't remember if someone else had mentioned it, but according to the last note I got from Janet, Liz is playing TWO shows in Boston: 11/30 (?) and 12/1 (Avalon). where I can get tickets for the 12/1 date? - -drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:20:02 -0800 (PST) From: Suzanne Walsh Subject: ...mistakes?.... To NAOMI - In the last digest you refered to someone who talked about Alanis' video and had an Ani quote at the bottom. Well, I *think* it was me except that that's not at all what I said... I think something screwed up cuz i never got a digest with my post in it, so I figured something messed up and it was never in it, but then I read your post and it sounded like what I wrote except the exact opposite...if that makes sense... I said something to the effect of Alanis represents a real woman...I admire her for doing this video and not caring what society wants...something like that. So, in case I wasn't clear or you read it weird I just wanted to make sure that you didn't think I was some evil person who holds people to unreal standards... That's really confusing...I hope you get it... == *Suzanne* ********************************************** * "I am not a pretty girl, * * I don't want to be a pretty girl, * * No, I want to be more than a pretty girl." * ************** Ani DiFranco ****************** _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:30:16 -0500 (EST) From: Yoon Kim Miller Subject: first post Hi all: I've just started reading this list and quite enjoy hearing what other Liz fans have to say (and learning about the postponed concert dates on here has been a lifesaver, but more on that later)... I've been into Liz since 1993, when all the reviews of EIG were coming out in all the magazines. I remember reading one describing her as "a 27-year-old Oberlin College graduate" and thinking to myself, "Wait a minute, I'M a 27-year-old Oberlin College graduate!!!" Went out and bought the CD that day and was just floored by it. I guess there was just something about her lyrics and the deceptive simplicity of the songs that got through to me like nothing else had. Totally didn't remember her from Oberlin (I graduated in 1988, Liz in 1989--but I'm pretty sure we started the same year) until I saw an old picture of her on somebody's website (Stratford-on-Guy maybe?) that rang a bell. Her hair back then was very different--she had a short, feathered, totally-80's cut, and now I think I do remember her. Oberlin's a pretty small place, so I imagine we might've had some friends in common, but I do know Liz was way into the art history/studio art thing, and I was a Chemistry major, played tennis, and DJed at the radio station as well as the campus disco. It IS weird to think of how often we might have crossed paths back then, and I'd love to sit down with her and talk about Oberlin experiences, etc. and if I know who "Flower" was written about (I have a few guesses)... A little more about me: I'm 31, female, Korean-American, born in New Orleans LA, grew up in Chapel Hill NC, now living in Atlanta GA. Been married 2 years to the only other Liz Phair fan I've ever met randomly (see, Liz is responsible for my happy lovelife, how can I not be a huge fan!). We met at a party arguing over the merits/faults of later Replacements albums, found out we had extremely similar musical tastes (and that we'd been to many of the same shows in town), and the rest is history. I will note that one of the cooler things about moving in together was consolidating CD collections (we each had around 250-300, with about 100 in common, which we traded for store credit). Anyway, I am somewhat ticked off about the postponed shows. We snatched up tix two weeks ago for the Nov. 15 Atlanta show, and managed to plan to fly in my husband's younger brother from Connecticut for the show as a late birthday present...and then this week I hear the awful news. The rescheduled date is right in the middle of his finals (he's a college junior) so I'm not sure he'll be able to make the show, and we might be out the $$$ for the plane ticket. Aargh, why'd they schedule those shows in the first place??? If I hadn't been reading this list, we'd have no clue that the show was postponed--it's still listed on TicketMaster and in the paper, etc. etc. Oh well, like I said I've been enjoying reading people's posts, although I am feeling kinda OLD! It is good knowing Liz has a younger fan base, though. I especially like reading spaceeggy Katie's posts, they always make me smile! (I too remember being in high school and feeling so much older than the people around me...) Yoon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:33:08 -0800 From: MrE Subject: librarytapeflavoredthing i would like to apologize for the excessive posting today-but don't wait around until i do... i have a tape for the very first e i receive. this is as part of the ???? tape thing. be forewarned, this is not your father's music-hence the name: Not For The Weak. there is also a copy going to Mark Schmidt for which you can bug him... Not For The Weak Bikini Kill-Sugar, Blood One Mazzy Star-Blue Flower, Into Dust, She's My Baby Maria Mckee-Life Is Sweet/Afterlife One Dove-White Love Pretenders-Precious p j harvey-My Beautiful Leah, A Perfect Day Elise Letters To Cleo-Rimshak Drugstore-If Garbage-Kick My Ass Nirvana-Aneurysm Bikini Kill-Rebel Girl Blade Runner Soundtrack-Farewell Bettie Serveert-For All We Know Nirvana-D7,Moist Vagina, I Hate Myself And Want To Die, Verse Chorus Verse Dwight Yoakum-Fast As You, Long White Cadallac A Group Called Smith(1969)-Baby It's You Yo Le Tengo-Decora Sleater-Kinney-One More Hour, Turn It On, The Drama That You Crave Kristin Hersh-Your Ghost Heaven's To Betsy-Calculated p j harvey-Dress, To Bring You My Love i tried to pick songs that even if you are familiar with the group/artist, you might not be familiar with the song. have fun... peace MrE ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::liz_phair:::::::::::::::::::::::::::: all that matters is what makes you happy ................. if it makes you happy, why the hell are you so sad... :::::::::::::::::::::::::::sheryl_crow::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #76 ***********************************