From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #70 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, November 8 1998 Volume 01 : Number 070 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: support-system-digest V1 #69 [AngelLieb@aol.com] Mike's confusion on the EIG sticker [Dan ] fuck and watch tv...(we could, if you want) [MrE ] phair phair pho phair... [MrE ] For all the pj harvey fans who live in NYC area [lau66@juno.com (Laura C ] synapse problems...huh? [MrE ] liz music on tv [Beau ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #68 [Buggirl922@aol.com] The Slick Divide page [AngelLieb@aol.com] Ben Lee sings Liz [TaliaK@aol.com] liz on mtv ["katie beach" ] Re: Chopsticks ["Jennifer Sayler" ] EIG/WS vinyls & Peter Murphy [AngelLieb@aol.com] stuff, tape library [Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David)] Re: support-system-digest V1 #69 [Todd Wilkinson ] Stealing Beauty [mhuisman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 02:04:35 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #69 Am I the only one on this list that likes every single song on WCSE? I noticed that some people don't like some songs, it's cool though. Al, Al, Al....No fair! I'm a big fan of Sheryl Crow! Nice story, I wish something like that would happen to me. sigh.....me and my big dreams. Wow, really interesting stories about the college life. I'm heading off for college next year and can't wait to get out to meet some interesting people. The kids I deal with at my high school seem kinda immature, but I guess the reason for that is my birthday was the day after the cut-off date for admissions and I had to wait a whole entire year. Meaning, I'm practically the oldest in my class. Somebody mentioned watching the Polyester Bride video, I don't know if this could help, but you can watch it at lizphair.com. (http://lizphair.com/video.html) That's how I was able to watch the Stratford on Guy vid. Does anyone know where I can find the Supernova vid on the net if there is one? Well, I guess I'll go to register for my spot for my Liz page before I go celebrate my sister's b-day tomorrow. Kinda interesting conversation I had with her about Liz, since she was the one where I first heard her. She said to me that Liz has no talent, I had to bite my lip to prevent myself from getting mad at her. The only cd she has is EIG, which she hardly listens to and I suggested that I'd get her WCSE for her b-day, but nooooo! She wanted Alanis Morissette or Lisa Loeb! Well, since I knew I'd be embarrassed to buy her the Alanis cd, I got her the Lisa cd. hmmm....perhaps there could be some time to squeeze in some Liz in our day we're gonna have tomorrow! Nothing in particular, I had this dream that Liz was nominated for the '99 Grammys. Have a spaceeggy day. Katie ();) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 02:53:40 -0500 From: Dan Subject: Mike's confusion on the EIG sticker Mike wrote: >I think it has to do with confusing wording: It says featuring Stratford >on Guy and the new single Never Said. This could be read as you read it >that Stratford on Guy is already a single, and Never Said the new one, but >it might just be saying it has the song Stratford on Guy and the newly >released single Never Said. I think that is what it meant...Never Said is the newly released single, and they mentioned STRATFORD, most likely because they KNEW in advance it would be the single to follow...for example: Madonna:RAY OF LIGHT cd - came with a little sticker that said "Features "Ray of Light" "The Power of Goodbye" and the new single "FROZEN". Sure enough, Ray of Light and The Power of Goodbye were the next to singles after the already released FROZEN. I usually get a sticker like that with almost every CD I buy. anyway... Dan. PS - someone on here mentioned they shaved their head for the mere fact of being bored..i kinda had to chuckle, because I did the EXACT same thing last saturday...being in a wheelchair and more importantly being in my house for such extended periods of time is making me extremely restless..but oh boy...it was SOO damn fun shaving my head!! Felt great! Very worth it. FOr those of you who have never done it before, I highly recommend it...very enlightening, to say the least, even though I know I'm a guy and it is not THAT big a deal to shave yer head...but hey - it was damn cool! **************************************************** "Crash and burn, all the stars explode tonight." -Hole. **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 04:12:52 -0800 From: MrE Subject: fuck and watch tv...(we could, if you want) chopsticks- it seems, at least on some level that the entirety of chopsticks exemplifies life as apathetic and 'whatever'. its like, fucking was understood, but hey, the bonus is television! living with the senses diminished, perhaps from overindulgence....emough waxing philosophical. katie- i considered making a liz site at one time, but it looked like way more work than i cared to have someone else do... but i was thinking of using 'Strange Loop: Liz Among Us' or 'All That's Phair'. anything catches your fancy, feel free..(i know i always feel free when my fancy's been caught) there's something to be said for having a huge number of cd's...but i don't know what it is. anyway, someone mentioned that 'cat power' could be found on the 'what's up matador' disc. it sounded somewhat familiar, but not familiar enough to be a possession. i guess its time to actually do inventory because there it was, next to two copies of 'call the doctor' by sleater-kinney...so i got jiggy with it ( there was a voice that told me to write that, it won't happen again), played some cat power and so on etc. there's a reason that matador is still a small deal. its because most of the talent is on other labels...there was bettie serveert-which i like quite a lot, and helium- which i like, and yo le tango-which i like selectively. but the rest? and let me say this about cat power: hiss. but it does have 'stuck on an island'... and for the record: i know there are a number of stones fans on this list, but really, isn't time for these guys to just fucking be embalmed or something. i'm referencing this because there is yet another example of used up talent coming soon to a record store near you. i'm sorry, but when i was a younger child than i now am, the stones were a reason to live! after 'exile on main street' ( one of the truly exceptional albums of our time-with the exceptions of the hopelessly inane 'happy' and the song so bad linda ronstadt (?) covered it, 'tumblin dice') all the magic's gone. dear mick, you no longer appear to be the barnyard rooster when you strut about. you simply look like someone in the last stages of syphilis. stop it... and remember when 'spin' was a good music mag? i'm trying to read through the current issue and write this at the same, but i believe i'm through reading. spin, the new compendium of hip-hop and fashion ( though usually in separate articles) has a fashion spread with busta rhymes...what the hell does this have to do with my little self-absorbed life!?! i think the remainder of this issue is dedicated to video games and wrestling...but i'm not sure...i threw it downstairs. by the way, if someone comes up with a merchandiser that carries the wcse poster, do let me know. it is an exceptional and provocative cover. and lastly maybe, if you want to pick on a song, take a shot at 'love is nothing' or 'fantasize'. how can i possibly attach myself to a somewhat drippy song proclaiming 'he's a friend of mine...kind of special guy'? from 'what makes you happy' straight to 'shitloads of money'. only son? no problem. baby got going? fine with me. but while 'love is nothing, nothing, nothing like they say' may well be anything ranging from simplistic to scathing, i'd rather 'take you home and make you like it'...just a thought peace MrE ::::::::::::::::courtney::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: you should learn when to go you should learn how to say no... (if only kurt were alive...it must be hard to settle for billie corgan's music...) ........ it's too warm ...inside your hands it's too hard....it's too good it's just that when you touched me i could not stand up i fell into...i fell down t-turn it on t-turn it on you can turn it on... :::::::::::::sleater-kinney:::::::::::::::::::::::::: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 05:37:48 -0800 From: MrE Subject: phair phair pho phair... katie i had also considered the name 'Phairomones'-kind of a sexual word play... MrE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:53:07 -0500 From: lau66@juno.com (Laura C Sheperis) Subject: For all the pj harvey fans who live in NYC area This is the new Sessions at West 54th list - the info about pj harvey is near the end. Hope someone can use it! If this message got sent twice - sorry, my mistake. Laura The best music.  The best place in town to hear it.  As always, it’sall free! If you and a guest would like to attend any of the upcoming tapings here’s what you do: +send us a separate e-mail for each show that you are interested in.  Donot send one e-mail to multiple addresses as it will only be received at thefirst address. +Send your e-mail to the address to the right of the show you want to see.  You can copy/paste the address into the “TO:” field in your e-mail program. +Put your name (last name first please) in the “SUBJECT” field. +Don’t worry about the body of the letter since it probably will not beread; you may, however, have to put some text in it in order to send the e-mail. +Don’t worry about the “FROM” field since your e-mail address will be filled in automatically. Make sure your schedule allows you to attend the entire taping; there is no late admission or early exit. If space permits, you will get a return e-mail confirming that your namewill be on the guest list and informing you of our midtown location.  You maynot hear from us until a day or two before the show; be sure to check youre-mail! If you don’t hear from us, the seats are gone-- sorry! See a name you don’t recognize? Take a chance--every ticket comes with amoney back guarantee. Please note! If you are added to the list and do not show up, you risk not being invited to future shows.  Please do not ask to go to a taping andnot show up! __________________________________ Here’s the show info: Early show means doors open 2:45pm; close 3:15pm; taping ends 6:00pm Late show means doors open 8:45pm; close 9:15pm; taping ends 12midnight Sun Nov 8- early- RANDY NEWMAN:  randy_newman_tix@freetix.com Sun Nov 8- late- JOHN MELLENCAMP: john_mellencamp_tix@freetix.com Mon Nov 9- early- BETH ORTON: beth_orton_tix@freetix.com Only 27 years of age, British-born Orton conjures comparisons to a youngJoni Mitchell or Emmylou Harris, possessing a disarmingly rich and assuredsinging voice: plaintive and seductively rhythmic.  With a mature, intelligentflair for songwriting that alternates between light and joyous and pensively dark. Mon Nov 9- late- OZOMATLI: ozomatli_tix@freetix.com It’s an instant party wherever this multi-hued, 11-member ensemble fromEast L.A. named for the Aztec god of dance goes.Finding the world in a cross-cultural backbeat, Ozomatli ‘s bilingual barrio brew bubbles with low-rider funk, hip-hop rhymes, Mexican Cumbias a, a salsa-tight hornsection and a percussionist who doubles on Indian tablas.  Party people comestrong! Tues Nov 10- early- LYLE LOVETT: lyle_lovett_tix@freetix.com Tues Nov 10- late- P.J. HARVEY: pj_harvey_tix@freetix.com __________________________________ Please note: you may receive a total of only one pair of tickets per show unless we indicate otherwise, whether it is via this e-mail, radiopromotions or any other giveaways. If this letter was forwarded to you and you would like to be included in future e-mailings, come visit us at www.freetix.com and give us your particulars. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints... The sinners have much more fun." -Billy Joel ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 06:39:27 -0800 From: MrE Subject: synapse problems...huh? for you cat power people, the band is playing on the 29th of noviembre. ticketbastards will probably be carrying tickets. i forget the venue, but it will be in paris (not texas). opening act will be fuck. enjoy! piece MrE ::::::::::::::garbage::::::::::::::::: i'm so sorry you had to kick my ass... ........ i'm just a spot on the sidewalk in the city of sin... :::::::concrete blonde::::::::::::: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 06:56:04 -0800 From: Beau Subject: liz music on tv Melissa Leigh wrote: > >I'm a little offended when they use Liz as background music. I mean, >this is something I listen to as an activity and they're using it as >filler sound for some dumb tv show. I don't think the majority of Liz >phans watch these shows. (could be wrong) I also don't believe that >there's a fan behind the placings of the music. I'm sure they have a >board of people who pick the music based on what they think their >viewing age group is supposed to like. It makes me all cranky. At least >liz is getting some exposure, but maybe to the wrong kind of people. Geez, unclench. Any exposure Liz gets is good. Hell, she was booked on Rosie O'Donnell, which I'd rather gouge my eyes out with my own thumbs than watch, but I imagine she moved at least a few albums on it. Any new fans are welcome. And I doubt that random TV goons would pick Liz's name off a list as what the kids are listening to, since she's no longer getting any airplay in, and this might be important, LA. That list, I'd suspect, would have them playing the new Alanis album or, if it were halfway cool, the new Hole album. But Liz? A singer whose first albums JUST went gold this year? Nah, the person placing her stuff on "Felicity" and (I don't watch it, so I'm trying to recall) "Party of Five," must have actually heard and liked the music somewhere. Hell, maybe on "Rosie." As for what sort of people are watching these shows ... people on the list have been the ones reporting when her music has been on television shows. What types of shows are we SUPPOSED to watch? I'll write them down if you could post a list. BEAU http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Boardwalk/5812/lizphair.html "The six-dick pimp Is just doin' his job, Tryin' to keep the business From goin' under ... I don't care how long it takes, I don't care how much money he makes. I just want my baby back And I'll be on my way." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 10:42:08 EST From: Buggirl922@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #68 hey all. the silent one speaks :-) someone wrote: << "I think Only Son doesn't do much for where it is on the album. I find that that's the song where I notice where I am on the album, it's like hitting a speed bump or something." >> i don't know if i agree...i kinda like only son. i agree that it doesn't flow with the rest of the music on the album, but that is ok. one song on WCSE that i am usually tempted to skip is "headache" even though it is growing on me, as is "love is nothing." so this leads to sort of a poll-type question: what do you think is the best song on WCSE? not your FAVORITE song...the best song. what do you think is the worst? here is my vote: best: what makes you happy worst: love is nothing ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:52:04 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: The Slick Divide page Could whoever manages The Slick Divide page please email me! I have a bunch of questions I'd like to ask ya, but couldn't find your email address anywhere. Have a spaceeggy day! Katie ();) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:34:25 EST From: TaliaK@aol.com Subject: Ben Lee sings Liz Hey, i just read on the Ben Lee list that the other night at a show in NY, while people were trying to fix some technical stuff, Ben sang an acapella version of Perfect World (which just so happens to be one of my favorite songs on the new album) by our very own Liz! I would have killed to see that! =) Oh yeah, and another thing for you Liz completists out there... if you didn't know, Liz sings in the background of the song "Away With the Pixies" on Ben Lee's album Grandpaw Would. Just thought I'd share that little bit of info about my 2 favorite singers. Robin "You look like shit, And the smell is even better. And I feel like shit, And I want to go back to bed" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 12:59:52 PST From: "katie beach" Subject: liz on mtv i was just watching mtv and there was an advertisement for something called "spankin new video week" or something like that. they showed a bunch of video clips and one of them was none other than liz!!!! maybe the pb video will actually get some airplay other than 120 minutes. i think it starts november 15 (sorry i'm so shady on the details, i was so amazed to see liz i forgot about everything else!) katie ********************************************************************** "we purchase pleasure, pay for it with hurt, and we rarely get our moneys worth." -quasi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:48:44 -0600 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: Re: Chopsticks I agree, I have always thought this >It has always been my understanding that when she talks about "doing it >backwards" she is referring to, um, you know, "doggie style". That way >they can "fuck and watch tv" at the same time. >any other interpretations? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious" - Liz Phair http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/lizphair.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 16:49:29 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: EIG/WS vinyls & Peter Murphy I found this to be really interesting that my dad gave me a catalog to look at today and I found they're selling EIG and WS vinyls. I looked through the whole catalog to see where you could get a catalog, but I guess you could get it through one of these sources: Nina's Discount Oldies Phone: Mon-Fri 8am-5pm (EST) P.O. Box 77 (800) 336-4627 or (610) 649-7565 Narberth, PA 19072 Fax: (610) 649-0315 (24 hours a day) Yeah, really interesting to see Liz in the same catalog with The Beatles. I was really happy to find EIG cuz I thought it would be cool to find it on vinyl for some reason, I found Whip Smart last weekend and boy the record is something! Oops! Forgot to mention the prices: EIG $11.80 WS $9.10 Does anyone know where I could find a mailing list for Peter Murphy? I promised my brother I'd ask cuz I thought someone on this list mentioned they listen to Peter Murphy. Thanks. Have a spaceeggy day. Katie ():) ------------------------------ Date: 07 Nov 98 16:59:20 EST From: Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David) Subject: stuff, tape library - --- You wrote: I think it has to do with confusing wording: It says featuring Stratford on Guy and the new single Never Said. This could be read as you read it that Stratford on Guy is already a single, and Never Said the new one, but it might just be saying it has the song Stratford on Guy and the newly released single Never Said. - --- end of quote --- Stratford-on-Guy was somewhat of a single--I'd say it was just as much of a single as Never Said. They both had videos, even if they weren't released in the usual single format. The same can be said about Polyester Bride, so far. >>>I hope this hasn't already been debated, but does anyone have a definitive gloss on what she's getting at in Chopsticks when she talks about 'do[ing] it backwards'? >>> as for this, i have always assumed she meant "backwards" as in "like a dog". So they could both see the t.v. also, i think the tape trading idea is cool. i think it would be neat if we could rotate the tapes, make copies if we want to, and send them on . . . i've got a whole lotta stuff: the magnetic fields (and other merritt bands), belle & sebastian, papas fritas, the pixies, helium, dinosaur jr, velocity girl and more. i'd love to make some tapes to send out . . . i've got some barbara manning and sf seals and bettie serveert too, for whoever mentioned it. just let me know. sarah ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:03:08 -0500 (EST) From: Todd Wilkinson Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #69 could i please be taken off this list. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 21:52:43 -0500 From: mhuisman Subject: Stealing Beauty I rented Stealing Beauty tonite for the first time, and I was wondering what everyone else thought of it. I thought the Italian scenery was cool. But it was kind of confusing at first. I had no clue in hell who everyone was, and what they were doing at that house. Anywayz, of course the Liz vid at the end rocked, but I hate how it ends. Rocketboy doesn't seem to be the kind of song that should fade out. It should end with serious definition:-) Enough rambling for now Marlie (PS, I'm putting together a Letters To Cleo tape live stuff and albums tuff....what should I call it?) ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #70 ***********************************