From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #68 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, November 6 1998 Volume 01 : Number 068 Today's Subjects: ----------------- party of five and liz [The New Zero ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #67 [Deborah ] oops [Deborah ] Felicity [Beau ] takes on #62, #63, #65, etc ["Cynthia Nagle" ] me again, sorry! ["Cynthia Nagle" ] Re: "bad tv" ["Dolphin 95" ] no more after this, I promise ["Cynthia Nagle" ] oh well [MrE ] music news [MrE ] poster + pics ["Jennifer Sayler" ] did anyone else catch [OB187@aol.com] My two pennies worth... [Nicole Weisberg ] Liz's songs on tv [o0lqc@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu] girlysound [Emerald314@aol.com] Chuck's Tape Library, college, and Liz! ["Alex Miller" Subject: party of five and liz ok. it's obvious SOMEONE who works on the Party of Five show is really into liz. not only have two of her songs been played, but on one of the first episodes one of the girls was like "my boyfriends taking me to see liz phair tonight". haha i remember she was so nonchalant about it. meanwhile, i was at home freaking out that some random party of five character was going to see liz and i wasnt. haha pathetic isnt it?:) steve "Give me religion...and a lobotomy" --tori amos *beulah land* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 01:37:57 -0500 From: Deborah Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #67 So I've only seen two episodes of Party o 5 so far this year (sorry, i'm slacking...but i've got mad work, anyway...) The point is, that in both of the episodes that i HAVE seen, being the first one and tonight's, I heard Liz in the background. (polyster bride first time around, tonight it was big tall man). So I'm wondering if there have been more, and i just haven't been watching, or if this is just fate. Can anyone fill me in? Deb - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- And it feels like I've got something to prove, but in some ways it's just something to do. - --Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 01:41:27 -0500 From: Deborah Subject: oops okay, so it's late and i suck. i meant they were playing perfect world, not big tall man. what can ya do? deb - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- And it feels like I've got something to prove, but in some ways it's just something to do. - --Liz Phair ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:01:56 -0800 From: Beau Subject: Felicity "Dolphin 95" wrote >Subject: Re: Felicity >On this week's Felicity there was a reference to Liz Phair (in turn a >reference to her in an essay). Now, I'm wondering, how many people >think this is the writer's way of saying "Look, I'm hip!" or a genuine >fan of Liz trying to get a little more eposure for their favorite >singer/songwriter/guitarist? Someone on the show genuinely likes Liz, as they've played her songs in previous episodes (I recall "Baby Got Going," but don't hold me to that). What can I say? My girlfriend digs the show, and I watch in return for her putting up with "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." BEAU http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Boardwalk/5812/lizphair.html "The six-dick pimp Is just doin' his job, Tryin' to keep the business From goin' under ... I don't care how long it takes, I don't care how much money he makes. I just want my baby back And I'll be on my way." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:08:28 -0500 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: takes on #62, #63, #65, etc Random responses... Bravo, Klayton! I thoroughly enjoyed your take on Liz, the supposed violence toward women motif, Liz as a WHOLE person enjoying (among other things) herself as a sensual being - and how all of this relates to the way women are often perceived in our society today. Thoughtful, sensitive, intelligent! "better than celibacy... that betters your soul, they say." LOVE IT! I dare say I much prefer this to Liz's actual lyrics here... "cat power is a good cop"? You actually received a sticker that says that? Well, as a cat lover, let me offer one far-out interpretation: maybe it means that that regal, graceful power that is the purvey of felines is a good thing to emulate, absorb, or try to grab at - as in, "copping" a feel. Whaddaya think? My favorite Liz videos: Polyester Bride (the imagery carries the song's theme - and she looks great) Stratford-on-Guy (again, consistent theme-wise, fun and a bit hypnotic) Supernova (way fun & creative!) Tra-La-La Song (who doesn't love the Banana Splits?) *Whip-Smart (for her twisty dance, the overhead close-up shots of Liz's face, and the people in costume at the end, with the black light, etc.) My least-favorite Liz videos: Jealousy (ugh, when I first saw it I nearly threw up - it's not at ALL what I would have imagined, bad acting, sloppy editing, jumps all over the place, overall quite lame - what a shame, because I love this song) Rocket Boy (I don't want to look at Liv Tyler in a Liz Phair video) *Whip-Smart (for everything ELSE in it except the good stuff above) And finally, I can't WAIT to sit down here at my computer when I have loads of time, and try my hand at the Liz Song Recipe that Babyface proposed! C'mon everyone, this sounds like mucho fun! Cindy "Well look at me, I'm frightening my friends." (I'll say!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:31:10 -0500 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: me again, sorry! Just a quickie question: can someone post the address of the support system archive again? I no longer have the previous digest(s) where someone posted this. My computer crashed the other day, and I think I missed digest #66. Not that my life depends on this, but, you know... once you're hooked, you can't stop thinking about it... ;^) Also, I'll be visiting the Phair One's hometown of Chicago myself this weekend! Like Andrea, I'll be flying in the daytime to/from, but I hope I'll be in #27D. Too bad this visit couldn't have happened last week when she played in town! Cindy "you know." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Nov 1998 23:43:23 PST From: "Dolphin 95" Subject: Re: "bad tv" (:ruthie:) wrote: > >okay, i'm sitting here watching party of five (yes, i am >obsessed with >bad tv) Now while I think Felicity is bad tv, I think Party of Five is quality stuff. And that's my $.02. - -Jeff ********************************************************************** I didn't want to be a groupie, but I guess I am a comic book whore -Jane Jensen ********************************************************************** ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 02:53:34 -0500 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: no more after this, I promise Ah jeez, sorry to make such an ass of myself, but never mind my previous request for the address of the support system archives. I had only to read further down in #67 to see that Katie had posted it there (thanks Katie). Lesson learned: "never post or ask for something until you've finished reading all the digests received." Now, bye for real till Monday. Cindy "duh." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 02:09:31 -0800 From: MrE Subject: oh well just read that liam gallagher was arrested. upon pondering this for a moment i concluded: "who in the hell cares"... gee, it almost seems as if ms. Phair is headed back to california... no, as a matter of fact i don't have anything timely and important to add to the list...except that i saw micheal stipe once...it was either in a cartoon or a bad dream... peace MrE ................................................................ cut myself on angel's hair and baby's breath...kc ............................................................... well ok, i made this up...s crow ............................................................... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 04:09:18 -0800 From: MrE Subject: music news and in a related item, dr. jack kervorkian was arrested yesterday...for assault! does anyone else have his cd-still life? just thought i'd ask...hey, it's a musically oriented question! i am so fuck-ing bored-i shaved my head this evening just because... piece sinead ................................... still falling... ..........mazzy.star.......... you say you're slippin' maybe so it's not easy now you know... .................................. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:15:30 -0600 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: poster + pics Hi, I got my WCSE poster from the photoworld place. Its cute. Anyways, with the poster they sent me a paper that says that they have pictures of Liz at the Grammys and walking in red pants and a leather jacket. I dont know what these pics look like, so I dont knowif I want to buy them. If anyone does get them, please let me know if they are good. Here is the address for the place. http://www.photowrld.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious" - Liz Phair http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/lizphair.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 12:22:39 EST From: OB187@aol.com Subject: did anyone else catch Did anyone else catch the Liz playing on Party of Five when Griffin and Julia were talking, or am i going crazy and just hearing liz everywhere? I was meant to live a double life megan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 12:50:51 -0500 (EST) From: Nicole Weisberg Subject: My two pennies worth... Okay Hi. I just recently subscribed to this list and I've been so far quiet, but today I speak. I saw Felicity and Party of Five and was freaking out! I got a big kick out of the Liz Phair reference and the background music. Ask my roommate. She thinks I'm strange. Add to that the fact that... well... this guy was in my room telling me that Liz Phair is going to be here again... that's when "Perfect World" started playing on Po5. What a moment. R.E.M... I'm a big fan of the older stuff. My fave old album *might* be Fables of the Reconstruction. I like Chronic Town a whole lot too, if that counts. Okay and... yeah. Oh I know! Yes... I'm one of the people who doesn't *really* like Baby Got Going, but I LOVE Only Son. If you have the radio recording of the October 6th show in Boston, you can hear me say "ONLY SON!!!" Well I can hear me. Maybe that's cuz I know what I"m listening for. Anywho... that's all. For now. - -Nicole I Spy a May Queen http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DontWalk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 13:27:40 EDT From: o0lqc@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu Subject: Liz's songs on tv Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:27:36 +0200 (IST) From: Andrea Steiner Subject: Liz's songs on tv To: support-system@smoe.org In-Reply-To: <199811050615.BAA25265@smoe.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Heard "Perfect World" on Party of Five last nite and the Liz Phair reference on Felicity. This is the second time Party of Five has used a song off WCSE. I'm not sure that I like all this commercial usage of Liz Phair's songs. On the one hand, I love hearing and seeing her get the recognition and success she deserves, but on the other hand, I am worried that she will be sold out and ruined by the masses. I also feel like our little club of people who have heard of Liz Phair is going to get too big. I'm just being selfish and overprotective of my musical goddess. Andrea <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> "I've got to tear my life apart and go west, young man." --Liz Phair <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:35:57 EST From: Emerald314@aol.com Subject: girlysound Hey Rob, I have the Girlysound demos as well and I love all the haunting (good word) songs on there, including "I Know it's Not Easy" and especially "Sometimes a Dream," etc. I still don't like "Only Son" that much though. I don't see it as old school Liz really. Her older stuff was so raw and personal, and I just don't get that vibe from "Only Son." But that's just my opinion. I can definitely see how some people could love it anyway. :) ~Emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 13:04:00 -0500 From: "Alex Miller" Subject: Chuck's Tape Library, college, and Liz! First, to start off, my bounced message that Jason posted in #67 was (obviously) a couple days old, addressing some things that we have moved on from. Sorry, I didn't realize it was too long when I sent it. Next, as Chuck said on the last digest, he is sending me a couple tapes with some bands that I'm kind of interested in. If anyone else looks at either of those tapes and goes "Hey, I've always wanted to hear some of their stuff" but never have, e-mail me or Chuck, and we will make sure that your name and addy gets added to the tape, and it will eventually make it around to you. I'm not going to be keeping these, just listening to see if I like what's on it, buying any albums I like, and then passing the tape on. I think this is a great idea that Chuck came up with and has now implemented, it let's people get exposed to some music they otherwise might never hear. And for anyone who thinks we're ripping off the artists, we're not. We're just putting a couple of songs from an album on, and if you like them, you gotta go out and buy them to get the rest. If you don't like them, you can save yourself the money. Well, I think you guys probably already understand all this, I just love this idea. Also, if you would like to hear some different bands than what is currently circulating, either post to the list or e-mail Chuck or me and we'll see what we can come up with. And, as Chuck said, if you've got some of the music that others are interested in, and would like to help, make a tape and send it out. The more people that get involved, the better. >I am in college. One night, for kicks, several friends and I watched this >show to see just how realistic it was(n't). Let's kick out some major >points: >1. An empty laundry room. The only time my laundry room is empty is at >four am on a weekday, or on spring break when only three people are left >on campus. I lived directly across from the main laundry room in my dorm during my one year at Michigan, and I can totally vouch for this. There is ALWAYS someone there. My three roommates and I used to leave our door open and slap on some good music, and the 'laundry people' would come and sit on our couch and shoot the shit while they waited. We'd even feed some of them. Got to know so many people this way. >2. Two girls dressed normally in the laundry room. In college, the only >time to do laundry is when yr out of other clothes. So you wear anything >you have that doesn't smell. Most girls in my building wear sweats and >flip-flops. Exactly. Sweats were very popular. Except for the guys, who just wore boxers. And you'd get the occasional girl in boxers and a bra. Ah, college, why'd I ever leave? >3. A college guy takes Felicity to a really nice restaurant for a date. >YEAH RIGHT! Can you say Denny's (or Eat'n Park, or Perkins, or >Bickford's, depending on where you live). Can you say pay for yrself. >Can you say, "let's meet for lunch and I'll feed you off my meal plan". Or bring the date back to your room and make them a peanut butter sandwich on un-toasted bread with instant hot chocolate to drink. Thank you, Tiff, for bringing back all those college memories. Some of the best times I've ever had. I just want to live in a dorm for the rest of my life, it's so much fun! And one last thing I want to mention, I walked in to my local Border's Books and Music the other day, and as I made my way back to the music section, I could hear some familiar music, but couldn't tell what it was. I got closer, and then it hit me. Liz! Holy shit! They were playing WCSE. That is the first time I have ever heard Liz played anywhere here in northern lower Michigan, including radio stations. I hung out in the music section just to finish listening to the album. You guys probably think I'm crazy now, but I had to share. Thanks. Alex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 18:38:38 -0500 From: mhuisman Subject: Emm Gryner and a Guyville poster mistake! I've heard of Emm Gryner, but only her song 'Summerlong'. Shes in this months issue of 'JUMP' and I have a tape of her playing 'Summerlong' and talking on this canadian show 'Jonovision'. If your'e interested in doing a trade, e-mail me:-) Also, I posted this in a previous post, but can anyone explain the mistake in this 'Guyville' poster? I found it on the net and uploaded it to my Liz site. Check it out and tell me why it says the first single off of EIG was Stratford-On-Guy (It was Never Said)http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/4522/images/guyvilleposter.jpg Marlie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Nov 98 23:50:23 PST From: "The Human Cannonball" Subject: Everybody's entitled to my opinion 1. In Support-system #67, Gabriel wrote: "I think Only Son doesn't do much for where it is on the album. I find that that's the song where I notice where I am on the album, it's like hitting a speed bump or something." My thoughts EXACTLY. Every day at work I have about one uninterrupted hour during which I usually drop some music into the cd-rom drive. When I first got WCSE, that was all I listened to at work for more than 2 solid weeks. Additionally, I would then bring the disc home every day and listen to it there. My wife made me start wearing headphones. I was one obsessed Human Cannonball. In all that listening, I got to where I dreaded that moment. You know the moment: "Uncle Alvarez" is over; brief pause; then it starts: "All these babies are born . . ." Groan. The whole album grinds to a halt. It just does nothing for me. And I have nothing against slow, dirgy music (any Flipper fans out there? Or the Swans?) Several people posted to say they like the song, which points out one of the great things about a forum like this one: everybody involved has different tastes and different opinions. We all have something different we like about Liz Phair, and we have the opportunity to share our thoughts with others. That being said, after reading last night's digest I thought "maybe I'm missing something." So, this afternoon when I got home, I put on WCSE (and the headphones). I skipped to "Only Son" and I listened. Twice, reading the lyrics the second time. And you know what? I still don't like it. In fact, I like it even less. It just doesn't go anywhere, and the "fast" part (speed is relative, of course) is too little too late. Oh well. I still like the album ("Baby Got Going" included). And, more importantly, most of you don't give a rat's ass whether I like "Only Son" or not, so no harm is done. 2. On the back of the "Whip-Smart" booklet there are nine black-and-white pictures of symmetrical shapes. Every time I look at them, they seem familiar to me. I get a feeling that I should know what they are, but I haven't a clue. Does anybody know? 3. I like the idea of a tape exchange "network." Does anybody have anything by Snakefinger? ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #68 ***********************************