From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #65 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Tuesday, November 3 1998 Volume 01 : Number 065 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Dr. Phair (father of Liz) [Oh4sythia@aol.com] See a Video Clip of Liz getting Jiggy with it. [Daniel Allis ] Re: Automatic for the People ["Dolphin 95" ] nevermind ["Jennifer Sayler" ] live broadcast ["Jennifer Sayler" ] artists and performers [MrE ] Other artists ["Connolly, Michael EMC RSG" ] Mr. BH's concert review ["Chris DeLisle" ] The Continuing Adventures of a Guy Named Johnny with a Headache [ken@cart] Digital Copies [Daniel Osborne ] Re: live broadcast [Syrup@concentric.net] concert date ["peterpan andthepirates" ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #64 [OB187@aol.com] Raliegh show tickets -- doubleplusungood ["Connolly, Michael EMC RSG" ] Denver 11/22 [Zack Jemison ] Re: Denver 11/22 [Syrup@concentric.net] Southern Liz [kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko)] support-system #64 ["The Human Cannonball" ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #64 [SCroxton@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:36:03 EST From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: Dr. Phair (father of Liz) Hello - I'm enjoying reading the stuff about Liz's family - it seems weird that they're real! I know that sounds stupid, but WHAT would it be like to be Liz's mom? or to be her dad and to work at a college where a bunch of college students probably worship her... So while I was thinking all this, I took the opportunity to snoop around Northwestern's website and found a little news byte about Dr. Phair from before Exile was even out: www.nwu.edu/univ-relations/media/observer/1991-92observer/science- medicine/phair-scimed.html not very exciting, I'm afraid - but it's still weird to be reading about John Phair instead of Liz Oh - I'm glad all of you are making good use of my info. about the mata-log and wcse stickers. I just ordered a CD from them, included extra $, and asked for a shitload of stickers. I'm waiting breathlessly to see if they decided to humor me... Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 22:38:38 -0800 From: Daniel Allis Subject: See a Video Clip of Liz getting Jiggy with it. Hello Everyone, I just added a clip of Liz Phair getting jiggy with it on Roise. Also, I added another clip of the interview segment which is pretty cool. Liz explains why she named her latest album whitechocolatespaceegg. Please come by and check it out at: http://www.lizphair.com thanks, Dan webmaster of LizPhair.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 22:47:17 PST From: "Dolphin 95" Subject: Re: all the R.E.M. people BEST R.E.M. ALBUM: New Adventures in Hi-Fi, hands down. From the opening drums to the "monster" rocker "The Wake-Up Bomb" to the wonderful "Undertow," majestic "E-Bow the Letter," the experimental and very successful "Leave," perfect "Bittersweet Me" and "Be Mine" to the end of "Electrolite" (a great closer), this album is sheer perfection. Up is almost as good, but it just isn't. "Lotus" is as good as this album, though. And that's my two cents. - -Jeff ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 22:52:56 PST From: "Dolphin 95" Subject: Re: Automatic for the People And one final note on "Automatic": the only song I ever listen to on that is "Find the River"- sheer perfection! Once in a while I'll listen to "Ignoreland," but the rest of that album annoys and/or pisses me off. "Drive"- I like one version of it- the one that featured Soul Asylum's bassist on it from the MTV Video Music Awards 1994. "Everybody Hurts"- an overplayed song, too weak to stand up to the treatment. Everything else is just too average (for R.E.M.) and not as good as Reckoning ("Harborcoat"- yeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhHH!!!!!)- my favorite IRS-era record. I'll stop my ranting now. - -Jeff ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:14:33 -0600 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: nevermind Hey, guys, please disregard my former email 'bout the Phairities II tape. Thanks, I dont wish to be inundated with email! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious" - Liz Phair http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/lizphair.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 01:16:07 -0600 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: live broadcast If the show is broadcast live, how would one tape it? Can the computer be hooked up to the stereo? If anyone has any info, please let me know! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious" - Liz Phair http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/lizphair.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 01:19:27 -0800 From: MrE Subject: artists and performers AMENDMENT I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. having said this... i have to agree with 'bh' on some of his points. without reservation, i thought the liz gig was absolutely outstanding, which brings me to the pj show. bh notes that 'p j harvey didn't need a light show , camera friendly backing band or frilly fur dress to impress...it was one of the most powerful concerts i've ever witnessed...not too cool or pre-arranged'. watching p j, i could not help but feel that i was not merely seeing a performer, but the raw emotional content of an artist, as though song and singer were one, inseparable entity. this does not diminish my admiration for liz in the least, but it most certainly escalates my level of appreciation for p j. and i hope both of them stop by lost angeles again before tours end... "how about getting off these antibiotics". what the hell does that mean, alanis? syphilis? peace MrE ................................................................... parody of yourself in color, giving it to everybody but your mother. you've got much to think about...letters to cleo ................................................................... don't hate me because i'm beautiful...kelly lebrock ................................................................... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:08:44 -0500 From: "Connolly, Michael EMC RSG" Subject: Other artists I also like the idea of samplers featuring different favorites of ours. I'll keep an eye on the list to see how we're gonna do it. Also, saw Tori Amos in Norfolk last week. Most excellent show. Saw her last year on the Pele tour, where she was by herself. Also an excellent show. Tori is one artist I will always try to see live from now on. Hope you guys have fun at the show your going to. Also, does anyone know where a Ticketmaster location in NC is, close as possible to Nags Head/Kitty Hawk or maybe near the VA-NC borger no further west that I-95 may be? Mike Connolly Va Beach ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 09:56:53 -0400 From: Robert Cormack Subject: Scott Litt Am I alone in thinking this? The song "Baby Got Going" has to be the worst song ever recorded by Liz Phair. (my humble opinion). The music for this song was written by Scott Litt and he performs just about every instrument on the the recording including backing vocals. I love what Litt has done for R.E.M. but this song is an embarassment. A cynic might say that Liz Phair included this song in wcse as a "favour" to Litt for being such a swell producer. wcse is a great album but I feel most phans are in denial about "Baby Got Going" or do I need to listen to it more? Rob. PS: I love "Life Rich Pageant" and I am always surprised (hurt?) that it is the one R.E.M. album to be found in the "discount bin". PPS: The album "Up" is super-terrific. "Where did things go wrong?" -- Mission of Burma ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 03:31:16 -0500 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: Mr. BH's concert review Hello everyone, Re: bh's #63 digest concert review I think even Liz said that when she went on the Lilith Fair, she felt like a freshman among seniors. As far as her back-up band, well, how long has this band been put together? I'm sure they're all still feeling each other out, as well as feeling out their own roles in her show. I'm not a musician, and I'm not aware of the musicians' backgrounds in the band, but it takes a while for any band to have an identity. As for Liz, well, yes, things are still going to be a bit awkward for her. My guess is PJ Harvey's been doing her thing for years. Did she pay her dues with a few years of gigs in the pubs? Liz has never really had the experience of just pulling out numbers on a whim, but if she keeps this band together for a while, or any band together for a while, my guess is she'll be able to feel confident enough to pull it off next tour. Isn't that right Liz? :) I think this tour seems to be a tour of exploring...a tour to see what she CAN do now that she's, in her own words, "into it this time"...and just a tour for experience. Hey, it took the Beatles a couple of trips to Hamburg, six hour gigs night-on-end and endless days in the Cavern Club to get their show down. And that's BEFORE "Love Me Do." I think Liz is doing pretty damn good, and my guess is she's making some of the seniors PRETTY jealous... But if PJ gave any sexier performances than "Dance Of The Seven Veils" and any rockier performances than 6'1" or "Fuck And Run," than more power to her and I guess the rest of us have all missed out :) Actually, the only problem I had with Liz's show were the stiffs around me that didn't quite allow me to move around for the free-form expression of the joy her show gave me. Dance, people. Let go. It's a major reason concerts exist. (I guess I'm already talking to the flock, though, and not the herd of stiffs...) Chuck P.S. -- I don't think I took my eyes off Liz much the whole night I saw her, so I didn't really notice anything else, much less anything lacking... :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:08:21 -0500 From: ken@cartalk.com (Ken "Babyface" Rogers) Subject: The Continuing Adventures of a Guy Named Johnny with a Headache I appreciate all these set lists and discussions of the awesome-osity of Lizzie's shows(I couldn't go and had to sell my tickets to the Boston show at the last minute), but I'd like to propose that we go in a few other directions here at SupSys... Since Liz is a little slow in the output department let's help her by constructing a few songs for her next release... Whattya' say?!.. I've listed a few familiar Phair lyrical touchstones below... send me your verses, lines or whatever and I'll try and piece them together and post them now and again to get comments and suggestions... when we think we're happy with whatever we come up with maybe one or more of you musicians can supply the tune(s)... - -A guy named Johnny - -A headache - -A relationship on the skids - -A four-letter word or two(you pick) - -One direct-on searingly painful truth about life, love, sexuality and identity(not optional) - -Car/Driving/Sex metaphors - -One line to be mumbled so the mis-heard lyrics folks can have a field day - -some connection to college days(for you Liz traditionalists) Alright, now go for it... oh, and by the way: if anybody feels that this idea disparages our icon by trivializing her art of songwriting, then I've failed in conveying to you that this is an attempt to mimic and parody Liz Phair... an attempt born out of a reasonably-deep respect and appreciation... sorry if that's the case, but please spare me any diatribes... thanks. Babyface ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 10:09:37 -0600 From: Daniel Osborne Subject: Digital Copies I said something like this before, but I'll say it again. I REALLY want the Girly Sounds on CD, and would be willing to make CD copies for other people if someone can get me the music. I would also be willing to copy any other Liz Phair demo/rare music anyone has. Just contact me already! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:07:16 -0500 (EST) From: Syrup@concentric.net Subject: Re: live broadcast yep, I was wondering the same thing as well. since they seem to be using realaudio files, I think you can save the clip if you have realaudio plus. can someone else confirm? dunno how you would convert from realaudio to other formats though. - -drew > > If the show is broadcast live, how would one tape it? Can the computer be > hooked up to the stereo? If anyone has any info, please let me know! > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 17:17:26 GMT From: "peterpan andthepirates" Subject: concert date hi, i heard that liz was touring and was wondering if she will be anywhere near southern cali. if you know let me know. thanks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:17:19 EST From: OB187@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #64 I understand everybody's excitement that the Goddess herself as released aq new wonderful album, nevertheless, I CANNOT, as a sincere and dedicated Liz fan stand by the idea that WCSE is the best, im sorry, im just not buying itm I understand everybodys excitement to have a new taste of Liz, But Exile is absolutely one of the most classic cds of all time. I cant even really put into words the talent and emotion in that disc it makes me speechless (which is a miracle in itself). No disrespect to those who admire WCSE, its just this oldschooler cant see it. Megan ~*~I wanna be mesmerizing too.~*~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:31:39 -0500 From: "Connolly, Michael EMC RSG" Subject: Raliegh show tickets -- doubleplusungood Apparently Ticketmaster is not carrying tickets for the Liz Phair show on the 16th of November. Calling the venue {(919) 836-8535} results in a recording telling me that tickets are being sold at The Ritz, Cat's Cradle, School Kids Records, and Monster Records. So, anybody down that way want to pick up a ticket for me? Let me know (by e-mail) before you do, and we'll make arrangements for this transaction. Mike Connolly Va Beach ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 12:58:01 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: Lucas Miller Johnson Subject: Get ready for Lucas' Long Post, Part 1 Oh boy, Like many of us, I had let my digests gather dust in the inbox, never having enough time to start on them,and then before I knew it, there're like 30 unread digests, not to mention other mail, demanding my attention! :| So I *finally* finished reading them all :) and I've been making notes in my little day planner, and now I'll address all these excellent points that all of you sexy, sweet people have been making for the past month. Human Cannonball: Hey, I'm goin' to the Big D show too! Unfortunately I don't hit Deep Ellum too often, but let's meet up before or after the show, ok? :) Chuck and anyone who wants to learn to draw: I heartily recommend the book Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. (Although I haven't finished it yet. :P Gabriel: I didn't notice Liz playing through a tiny Gorilla amp when I saw her in Austin. Jason: I'll try to get a pic of the nudie slide at the Dallas show! YeeeHaaw! ANyone else goin' to the Dallas show? I'd love to meet y'all. Jeff: Thanks for the lyrics to Evenflow! I *have* the tab book you quoted from, and I always took those lyrics as gospel, but now I actually understand what that song's about! (Before, I just dug the music.) Meredith: I love your Dan Quayle quote! Hee hee.. And your excellent site! (It is yours, right? Exile in Netville?) I loved the interviews, especially the one where she's being interviewed by the middle school girls! That cracked me up! And I liked the ones where she talked about marketing herself. I highly recommend these interviews to the support system. :) Jenny: Phairities II is a splendid idea! I say you put on it whatever's not on the 1st Phairities. Will that fill up a whole tape? And thanks for the tape of the Austin show! And for the pretty cover! I owe you big-time. :) Um, I will try to scan and repost Steve's transcription of Explain It to Me, which I have a hard copy of somewhere at home. It's really fun to play! Ok, in five minutes, Lucas the Liz Fan: 22 years old, white, in my fifth and last year of college, getting my degree in Radio/TV/Film, after pinballing around from Theater to English to Computer Science, and even was considering getting out of here with a degree in General Studies! Ha! I aspire to be a professional musician, specifically a travelling minstrel, but am not one as of yet. I was raised pretty middle class, parents divorced, remarried (to different people), divorced again, remarried. Very bright student (so I'm bragging, get over it! :) National Merit Scholarhip paid for much of my first four years of college. Sexually, I am more attracted to girls than to guys. I have many gay friends though, and was never 'down' with the playful gay-bashing that went on with some of my friends. I procrastinate. I collect comic books, BUT NOT STUPID ONES, ONLY GOOD ONES! :) Actually I only get them now at the annual comic convention, where I can wade through the quarter boxes to find buried treasure. That's MUCH more fun than shelling out 2 fifty for some stupid posing superhero's trite adventures. I have work in three minutes, so I must conclude later. Love, Lucas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 14:05:25 -0800 From: MrE Subject: better than celibacy... yep-that's what i used to think she was singing. be cruising around, or maybe having a good old fashioned family sing along, toe tapping to ' and i want a boyfriend-i want a boyfriend-i want all that stupid old shit-that's better than celibacy-that betters your soul they say.' so... did anyone else who received stickers from matador get one that said 'cat power is a good cop'? am i supposed to know what this means?? is this eastern esoteric? should i care? seek answers in india? ask alanis? peace MrE ......................................................... a train flashes by and you're lost in spiral... .......................................................... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1998 15:28:37 -0700 From: Zack Jemison Subject: Denver 11/22 I must say I'm more than ecstatic to see that Ms. Phair is coming to Denver. I drove all the way from Santa Fe to Austin for Lilith Fair just to see her, and, now that I live in Denver, I'll only have to drive a mile and a half. But does anyone know how to find out when tickets go on sale? The first time I saw her in Athens tickets sold out really, really quickly. I don't want to miss this; the Ogden is a great venue. If anyone could help me out with a phone number or the like I would greatly appreciate it. Zack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 17:33:34 -0500 (EST) From: Syrup@concentric.net Subject: Re: Denver 11/22 zack - according to the denver post, tickets go on sale this friday (11/6) through ticketchoice. - -drew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 20:43:38 -0500 (EST) From: kiskos@webtv.net (Edward Kisko) Subject: Southern Liz Hey everybody, I'm finalizing plans to go Greyhound to Dallas for Liz's show at 'Deep Ellum Live' on the 20th. I'm in northwest PA (crazy, yeah), so this'll be quite the journey for me, and I don't know yet if I'll have a companion for the trek (Fellow concert enthusiast Jason Long is undecided at the moment). My question is, does anyone wanna meet up with me there and maybe hang out after the show? I'm planning on getting a room, and I'm thinking about The Paramount at 302 Houston and the Fairfield Inn by Marriott at 2210 Market Center Blvd. If anyone wants to steer me clear of these places (they're one-star hotels), feel free. Cost is my main worry, so that's why I chose them. They're also both less than 5 miles away from the venue. Better yet, if anyone else is planning on taking Greyhound down south and would like to catch the same bus at some point, that would be nice, too. I'm just hoping I don't have to travel alone, but if need be, I will. If anyone is thinking of getting a room that night and would like to share one with me (SCARY thought, I know), that would be cool, too. The whole purpose of the room is so I can shower before the show. Anything less would be... uncivilized. So yeah, it's a crazy trip and an even crazier invitation, but I figured it was worth a shot. Either way, I'll be there, so if you just wanna meet up, drop me a line. And if you know of another way I can get a shower without having to rent a room for the night, I'd appreciate some suggestions. Anything. I'm completely clueless, and I've never been further west than Ohio and no further south than Ocean City, so any and all tips anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated. Best wishes, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Nov 98 20:27:56 PST From: "The Human Cannonball" Subject: support-system #64 Matt Schulz wrote: "Wondering if people agree with me here: I have not been able -- OK, willing -- to take whitechocolatespaceegg out of my CD player for the last three weeks to a month." When I first got WCSE I couldn't stop listening to it for about 2 solid weeks. I finally stopped listening, but only long enough to refamiliarize myself with her other work. It's an amazing album, although I still think EXILE is her best. By the way, I feel WCSE's biggest flaw is "Only Son." If I'm in a particularly patient mood, I can make it all the way through the song, but most of the time I end up just skipping it. It just wears me down. I have no problem with her slower, quieter songs ("perfect world" & "girls' room" are favorites); "Only son" however just seems to go nowhere. Matt Schulz also wrote: "And if anyone cares, Automatic IS REM's best disc." Venturing precariously into the realms of personal taste, here I go: I do care, and, as someone who has listened to REM for a long long time, I must disagree. "Automatic for the People", in fact, is a very aptly titled album. It sounds a little too automatic. Just the tiresome, robotic sounds of the band going through the motions of being REM. Not a single memorable track. Of course, I haven't heard anything even vaguely interesting from REM since "Green". "Automatic" indeed. I feel I should conclude with a quote from Dennis Miller: "Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 00:15:07 EST From: SCroxton@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #64 Yippee!!! I have tickets on the way to the Lawrence, KS show, Nov. 23... Had to let that out!!! TX, Stevie G ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #65 ***********************************