From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #63 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Sunday, November 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 063 Today's Subjects: ----------------- family stuff... [george2@sas.upenn.edu (matt george)] Farm Club System? ["Chris DeLisle" ] Liz 10/27 & PJ 10/28...both in Chicago at the Vic ["bh" ] What a week ["Chipko Arnold" ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #62 [LTN1@uno.cc.geneseo.edu] Liz's Moms name [mhuisman ] st. louis tickets [Carl Brich ] one world is enough, for all of us [jtconnolly ] all about *me* [Breadnb@aol.com] Whoa... [Suzanne Walsh ] Re: tape tree idea [Jennifer Cooper ] i am bored!! [Ascending to the Stars ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:32:50 -0500 (EST) From: george2@sas.upenn.edu (matt george) Subject: family stuff... liz's brother is adopted as well. she made mention of it once on an interview for KCRW's morning become's eclectic a few years back... matt http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~george2/music/liz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 01:55:21 -0500 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: Farm Club System? Hello everyone, I've been thinking about all the various musical tastes everyone has here on the digest, about my own needs, and about wanting to turn everyone out there on to things... ....and I know there's a hell of a lot of taping going on out there, so I came up with an idea to complement our Liz Phair Admiration Society. I noticed that many of you out there love artists that I've been interested in, but I haven't quite gone out of my way to buy their albums. These artists include Ani DiFranco, Frank Zappa, this Elliott Smith guy, and a few others. Now, I love making tapes for people, but what would everyone else ENJOY having some sort of communication regarding taping other artists for people? As for myself, I have a wealth of jazz if anybody's interested. If you've always wondered what "this Tom Waits guy" was all about (and why is he one of Natalie Merchant's favorite songwriters), I can help you out there. If you never quite understood the hoopla over Springsteen, I can help you out. Say, you're a tad bit interested in artists like the Pogues, or the MC5, or Mudhoney, or the Velvet Underground, or Sonic Youth, or the Innocence Mission...but don't want to go right out blindly and buy something...I can help you out. Now I realize I have purely selfish reasons for throwing this out to you, but I think this might be a decent way of both sharing the goods with each other and saving people money, time and a bunch of discs that may only have that one song on it that you like, if at all. What'd'ya say? Feel free to e-mail me if you don't want to post your message. Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 04:33:41 -0600 From: "bh" Subject: Liz 10/27 & PJ 10/28...both in Chicago at the Vic Here's the thing.... That slide show is kind of interesting in that it captures a way of life in Chicago in the early 90's that is definitely long gone.... She must have spent a fortune in quarters taking all of those pictures at the Rainbo... I did recognize pictures of Liz, Casey Rice (& his dog!), Brad Wood, Archer Prewitt, a very young looking & long-haired David Yow, & other randoms from the Rainbo Club... There were also pictures of Liz & some guy (her husband?) on a fishing trip? (the people next to me were knowingly saying that they were honeymoon pictures, but I have no idea...) The problem with this slide show was that it spanned 8 songs, lasted 30 minutes and went through all the pictures in the same order twice... I would have went to get another beer if I had known... Jesus H. Christ... The show itself was OK...highlights include Stratford on Guy, Mesmerizing, Jealousy, & a stunning rendition of Johnny Sunshine accompanied only by guitar... At certain points (Flower especially), when Liz was sans guitar, it seemed to be an attempt to create a connection with the audience, but it was mostly kind of awkward looking... Her band was agreeably tight but in such a fashion that you can tell they're used to mugging for TV cameras... Their gestures were all so grandiose that you can tell they're used to playing bigger places... At the 1300 cpacity Vic, that kind of fake enthusiasm is easily detected... The Marty Mcfly guitarist seemed to think that people were there to see him & repeatedly acted unnaturally excited over just about anything... Ric Menck was awesome, but there was a weird moment where he started playing the drum lead for Free's "All Right Now", and the band played it for about a minute... I'm not sure if this was accidental or "planned spontaneity", but it was kind of weird... The back up singer was a dead ringer for Joan Osborne (someone behind me also mentioned Nenah Cherry) who had lots of time on her hands between back-up turns... the keyboard player seemed more concerned with how his long Heavy Metal hair looked as he whipped it around on songs that were not exactly rocking in that way... The bass player, while not flubbing any tunes, was completely boring to watch, & I kept hoping that Leroy Bach would show up & take care of business... Mo Ryan, the girl who reviewed it from the Chicago Tribune is most definitely not an editor at the paper, contrary to someone else's post, but I have been seeing her byline on more & more shows.. She used to put out sort of a cool fanzine called "Steve Albini Thinks We Suck" which was largely GBV worshipping.... The thing is, I let a lot of these little annoyances slip by as I was telling people it was a pretty decent show until I wqent back to the same venue the next night to witness an awesome display of power...PJ Harvey didn't need a light show, camera friendly backing band, or frilly fur dresses to impress... It was one of the most powerful concerts I've ever witnessed... Unlike Liz, PJ wasn't too cool or pre-arranged to take a few requests, playing "Missed", "Dress", &"Snake" all in a row after they had been yelled out repeatedly between songs... Her backing band was so awesome, I did not even notice what they were wearing, just that the Bass lines were down in the good "sludge" realm & PJ's voice was in amazing form... Other highlights included "Meet Ze Monster", "Hook", "Perfect Day for Elise", "Angeline" and a completely mind-blowing version of "To Bring You My Love" which saw the audience applauding between "verses" at how her voice sounded... Unlike Liz, PJ is no rookie, & wasn't checking her fingers all night to make sure the chords were right... While I would probably never again pay to see Liz & her generic band play again, PJ Harvey now enters my "Do Not Miss List" (including bands like the Grifters, Sebadoh, Jesus Lizard, Tortoise, Polvo, & GBV)...Sorry for such a long post, but I can't believe that out of all the other reviews on this list, no one ever wants to talk about the things that didn't work in concert... Signed, BH "Still a fan, but no longer a worshiping one..." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:12:42 -0600 From: "Allison Nack" Subject: What I know about Liz's family Paradise79@aol.com wrote: So, does anyone know anything about her family? Liz's parents are not divorced, they live together in Winnetka, IL. Mrs.. Phair (her first name is Nancy) works at the Art Institute of Chicago, not at the SAIC, either as a docent or a lecturer (or both). Dr.. Phair is a Professor of Medicine at Northwestern University Medical School, also in Chicago. He works within the department of Infectious Disease and in the HIV center. Liz has a brother ( I don't know whether he is older or younger), also adopted, whose name has never been mentioned in any interview I have read. Liz once mentioned that he was something of a math whiz, illustrating her point about how different they are. I think that the reason Mrs.. Phair's name is not mentioned in interviews is because she is a shy person who values her privacy. My mother, who works at a clothing boutique in the area where the Phairs live, has met Mrs.. Phair. She describes her as quiet, retiring, and conservative in her manner of dress. (In fact, my mother said it was difficult to persuade Mrs.. Phair to buy a simple scarf to dress up a suit that she was buying). I have read interviews in which Liz talks about being adopted, making the point that she never had any of the usual fantasies about imagining that she was born into royalty or genius or anything like that. She said that she never really had the desire to seek out her birth parents. She had a happy childhood and did not rebel against her adoptive parents in any major way. (Unless you count putting out a sexually explicit album as rebellion). I did read one interview in which Liz said that her mother cried the first time she heard Exile in Guyville, in distress over how personal, sad, and revealing the album was. So, that's what I know. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:33:42 PST From: "Chipko Arnold" Subject: What a week Absolutely no LP content to this as i'm in the UK, but i had to share with you... Monday, went to see the Cowboy Junkies and after to a secret Robyn Hitchcock gig, who is my favourite artist. Tuesday, went to see Buffalo Tom who absolutely rocked. It was well worth missing R.E.M. filming a tv special for. Friday, went to see R.E.M. doing another tv show. So 3 out of 4 of my favourite acts in the same week (RH, R.E.M. & BT). If only Liz was here it would have been near perfect. I'm still jealous of you guys who've seen her or are going to. Next year, boy, i'll be gloating! For the record, i'm straight and over 30 so i've no idea why i like Liz as i don't seem to fir the profile. Maybe it's because she writes such SHIT HOT SONGS, as do RH, R.E.M. , BT and the other acts that i like (Jayhawks, Wilco, Neutral Milk Hotel, Weeping Tile, Son Volt, Joe Henry, Grand Drive etc.). Sexuality has nothing to do with it, it's emotions and those take no prisoners where your preferences go. If you have a heart, then songs written/sung from there will tug at it's strings. End of rant. I'm off to sleep now, after this week i'm frazzled. Take care when driving to shows (a tragic story - get well soon). Send Liz the love of all her fans in the UK. "and i wonder how i've come to know so much less than i knew before" ... Joseph Lee Henry. "i know the promise is so much better than the real thing" ... Grand Drive. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:30:01 -0500 (EST) From: LTN1@uno.cc.geneseo.edu Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #62 hello, i have posted a coupla times but i still don't think that this feels like i am doing this right but here goes.......i love liz absolutely love her. to death. if i could be as cool as liz i would be a happy camper! but i am not so i just live life pretending.....anyway, let's see, my reason for posting.....i only have whipsmart, wcse, eig, girly sounds, stuck on an island, and the song from higher learning. but i know there are so many other songs of hers out there, and i know that some of you have 'em. i was just wondering if this may be a stretch. someone could make me a tape of her songs that aren't the ones that i have because i would love to hear some stuff that i never have. i will send you a blank tape so that you can send it to me and stuff like that.....i would be so grateful. help me out if you get a chance. thanks so much! love,laura - -oh i love in headache when she mumbles the words blah blah blah, snow is falling january all across my head.....sooooo awesome. +++++++++++++++++++i say it's when they do the double dutch that's them dancing....on whip smart but on girly sounds it's the other weird phrase+++++++ :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:37:30 -0500 From: mhuisman Subject: Liz's Moms name Hi...I've been on thist list about a month now...and I finally got some time to post to it. I'm marlie and I'm a 15 year old girl ffrom Toronto (well near TO) I run Melted Posicles:Liz Phair (http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/4522/) I wanted to respond to Paradise79@aol.com...Liz's mom is named Nancy. Just curious which liz video is everyones favorite? Personally, I like: 1)Stratford-On-Guy 2)Rocket Boy Anwayz, glad to talk to other liz phans...... Marlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:56:28 -0500 From: Carl Brich Subject: st. louis tickets where does one get tickets to the st. louis show in later november? ticketmaster doesn't handle them, so i figured that capital tickets would do it. (they are handling the garbage concert that's in the same venue a few days before) but, it says nothing at all about ms. phair on their website. anyone from the st. louis area know who might be handling the tickets? (i don't live in the area, so my resources are limited.. i will be in town the week of the concert though, so i'll be a lucky guy if i can find out where to get a ticket!!) thanks ********************* Carl ********************* *************** cjbrich@mtu.edu **************** ***** juicyfuton on aol's intant messenger ***** **** http://futon.resnet.mtu.edu (now up!) **** ************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 15:56:50 -0800 From: jtconnolly Subject: one world is enough, for all of us JASON JENKINS: Wonderfully phrased here... > My point is that my statement is being grossly misinterpreted and to try to > stretch it as a justification for rape is not only absurd but dangerously > irresponsible. I completely agree with you and question how someone can make that "stretch." An asshole fucking backward retarded rapist who might use "I'm a guy, I can't help it" as an excuse for one of the most heinous crimes known to man is not what we have here, people. Granted that the horrendous rapes that women AND men have faced (unfortunately, statistics would allow us to assume that a NUMBER of people on this list alone have lived this kind of horror) in the past might lead one to get their back up when hearing "I'm a guy, I can't help it," it seems pretty darn clear to me that that is not the intention here, and that Jason's use of that wording is "apples" and a rapist's use of the phrase is "oranges." Just not the same thing at all...why try to connect them? I really like hearing about LIZ PHAIR on this list: new recordings, trades or magazine articles that are available, thoughts on shows, comparisons to other artists or discussions of songs from the new album or between all of Liz's albums, etc. As much as I'm not that into non-Liz stuff here, this "discussion" recently about physical attraction to Liz Phair is very related. LIZ is an incredible songwriter and musician. LIZ is a complex, interesting "celebrity" that demands all of our attention. LIZ is cool in just about every way imaginable. LIZ is also very attractive, as males and females, bi-, hetero-, and homo- alike, have agreed on this forum. WHAT'S THE POINT, THEN? MANY OF US FIND HER ATTRACTIVE. GET OVER IT. END OF STORY. > I'd like to thank Alex Miller who wrote: > > << on the wording, we can assume he was referring to guys who are attracted to > women. It seems pretty obvious to me that he wasn't referring to gay men.>>> Alex is obviously one cool Mofo who understands what's up. I thank you, too, for your insight. Whip Smart, the disc, is a perfect ten, BTW... later, FRAN ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:19:25 EST From: Breadnb@aol.com Subject: all about *me* ok so here's my dissection (<---my, doesn't that sound appealing) of a liz phair phan. unfortunately, the only one i really know is me, so i'll just describe myself. i'm 15 (i'll be 16 on nov. 11th.. yay!), i'm a junior in high school, oh yeah i'm a girl, my hobbies include (in no particular order) sleeping, listening to music (faves later), drawing, reading ("girl.. interrupted" is the BEST book), and, well.. that's about it i guess. i've been listening to the wonderful ms. liz since late '93 when i heard "never said" on the radio and did something i'd never done, and have never done since.. i bought the entire cd after hearing just one song. needless to say, i loved it, and even though i was a baby of 10 at the time, and even i'll admit most of the sexual stuff kinda went over my head, it definitely made an impression on me, and i haven't stopped listening to it. general info: i'm not really religious, nor is my family.. i guess we're lutheran, and we only go to church for "special" occasions (weddings, deaths, baptisms, etc), and easter. i guess i get along with my parents.. kind of. i'm not on drugs, and never have been, though i have been known to get a little rowdy at parties.. i'm not a bad girl, but neither am i a good girl, for that matter. like a stereotypical teenage girl, i spend most of my time on the phone.. with my best friend dylan (boy) and the love of my life, skylar (girl).. which is something too long and boring to elaborate on. as far as sexuality goes, i'm semi-bi (i'm well aware that probably doesn't make much sense, but again i don't feel like elaborating). oh yeah some of my favorite bands are: *liz phair*, the beastie boys, reel big fish, korn, garbage, hole, rage against the machine, nirvana, vision of disorder, beck, sheryl crow, ah that's all i can think of right now. i completely enjoy the movies of kevin smith.. the man is a genius. i love liz phair because she is a smart, strong woman. i love her lyrics, and i love the fact that now that i'm older i can actually relate to them.. lol. i can't wait for the day i get to see her live.. 5 years is a pretty long time to wait, in my humble opinion. until then, i'm content listening to any and all liz phair albums/bootlegs/whatever i can get my hands on. welps.. enough of boring you guys half to death.. this is probably more about me than you ever wanted to know, but i'll have to admit, it was rather fun to write! hmm.. by far my longest post ever, and it's about myself. now that's gotta tell you something. lol. love & phairness, lins* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:59:54 -0800 (PST) From: Suzanne Walsh Subject: Whoa... Sarah (PokaDot420) wrote: <> Wow, as if that's not exactly what I said!! =) I've calmed down somewhat since then, but I know I'm going for sure now. I remember reading about people flying across the country to see her and thinking, "wow, they're dedicated fans" and now that's what I'm doing...Well actually I'm taking a 11 hr bus ride from St. Paul to Lawrence but whatever...that is a lot in itself. I'm so pumped - what does everybody suggest I do to try and meet her? I've never tried to do that before but from what everybody is writing, it sounds like she's pretty approachable, and besides I had a dream I met her. Obviously it was foreshadowing actual events... Ok, enough for now. Suzanne _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:44:54 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Cooper Subject: Re: tape tree idea i think Jose' had a great idea with the tape tree suggestion. I for one would be very intereseted in getting copies of Girly Sounds and the Shelved Demos and other cool rare stuff that is not available in central Indiana for one reason or another. the only rare stuff i have really has nothing to do with liz, but I know some people mentioned being sheryl crow fans and i have tons of rare or limited Sheryl Crow stuff that i could trade for some liz stuff if anyone is interested. or i'd also be willing to pay a small price (i'm a graduate student living on loans) for copies of Liz stuff too. happy halloween! Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 20:20:49 -0500 From: Ascending to the Stars Subject: i am bored!! okay, so its halloween weekend, and i have no plans for going and doing anything, cause i have waaaaaay too much work... i have to lead a seminar on schizophrenia on tuesday, among other things.. should i be worried that i am at the "ideal" age for stress to induce the development of schizophrenia anyways... i bunch of stuff i've been meaning to write about... first.. cool! i just heard myself screaming for jealousy on the tape of the dc show and i can hear lots myself and my friends on the tape of boston... ::ruthie sends a big hug ken's way...:: so yeah.. if you have a tape of the dc show, and you hear a high-pitched girl yelling for jealousy right before stratford-on-guy, that's me uh... your typical liz fan... hmm.. see, i think that's all going to depend on who you hang out with, and where you grew up, etc... but from my extremely biased position... actually, first, lemme go back a bit to the whole thing about the contrast between liz's outward persona and her lyrics... i probably grew up in a very similar environment to the one liz did-- upper middle class suburb of a big city (NYC in my case), in my case my mom's the doctor though... i went to private school, went to private school with those of a similar background, and, now i go to amherst college, among the intelligent priveledged youth of america, although amherst attracts a different "type" than oberlin. so in many ways, i have the same inconsistancies many of you seem to find in liz. i have nice clothes-- a predilection towards donna karen clothes and kenneth cole shoes and a fetish for cashmere. i am generally very feminine-- not to be confused with "girly" -- in terms of how i dress, and how i like my surroundings-- dried flowers, scented candles, fuzzy blankets and lots of soft pillows. i have ambitions of being able to support myself in the manner to which i am accustomed, but i'm not going to do something i dont' believe in in order to accomplish that. i work my ass off at school (in case that wasn't obvious by the fact that i always bitch about the rediculous amounts of work i have). right now work has been coming before socializing, which is too bad, but necessary for now. (That will all change next semester when i go to london... ) hmm... let's see, other than work, i dj at the radio station, where we play liz a lot .. or at least i do... and where guyville and whipsmart have little red stickers on them saying they are music director's favs. (i'm working on wcse...). so yeah, a lot of us here like liz.. i sing, i am technically a research assistant to a molecular genetics prof.. alhtough i haven't been to lab in 3 weeks cause i have too much work.. i'm a neuroscience major (hence why i have so much work). so that's this liz fan, and now onto other liz fans.... i dont' think there is one, and that is more than just from what we've heard about other people on this list... i have a diverse range of friends, and a lot of them like liz.. some almost as obsessively as me. i have straight male friends who are as attracted to her lyrics as they are to her body (see: tom screaming i wanna do it to you in boston), i have straight male friends who are obsessed with her music and lyrics, and find her attractive, but aren't attracted to her, i have relatively clean-cut girl friends who like her for the same reasons i do, i guess, because we identify the songs with various aspects of our own lifes, and so i guess you probably get the point. and if not, here it is a little more concisely: every liz fan likes liz for their own reasons, and that's all there is to it. okay, so that's kind of a cop out, but still, i think its true anyways, if you've made it this far, congratulations. to anyone i promised tapes to, email me and tell me exactly what it was i told you a i would dub, because my mind is swamped and i just don;t remember everything... that's it... happy halloween, and good night :) (:ruthie:) - -- *******Deceive*******Inveigle*******Obfuscate******* "Wild and unwise, I wanna be mesmerizing, too" "So I hope you all will see, there just isn't a place here for me" "All the stars up in heaven were rushed by an angel, to see the light of your face better" --Liz Phair "I'm in love with the world through the eyes of a girl who's still around the morning after" --Elliott Smith ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #63 ***********************************