From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #58 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Wednesday, October 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 058 Today's Subjects: ----------------- lryics [The New Zero ] lyrics ["Jennifer Sayler" ] tours and stickers (letters and sodas) [Edward Dodge ] Katie's Liz experience [Paradise79@aol.com] misinterpretations [mags ] two cents for now [AngelLieb@aol.com] INsite magazine [AngelLieb@aol.com] re: wicked F-16 [mags ] thanks for your support [Jasmine Davila ] tapes of recent appearances [vjohns@acad.com] oh, one more thing [vjohns@acad.com] Oct 26th at the Vic ["Schotz, Gary" ] Liz in chicago [Jennifer Cooper ] felicity ["smilin' joe riley" ] kansas show! [The New Zero ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 01:41:28 -0500 (EST) From: The New Zero Subject: lryics the only musicians who's lyrics were always difficult for me were Liz and PJ harvey. i guess cuz their first albums didnt have the lyrics written in the liner notes. i think its funny/cool that both WCSE and Is This Desire? have the lyrics in them. pj's album "dance hall at louse point" is the worst though. especially when she does all the screeching. and during "taut", i swear, the only part i DO understand is the "even the son of God had to die my darling" growls. anyways, for liz, i've always had the most trouble with the album WhipSmart. in cinco de mayo *giggle* i thought she said "it was the funnest time letting you go" instead of "it wasn't fun this time" and "it was the neatest time letting you go." instead of "it wasn't me this time". wait, that's what she says isn't it? hahaha:) and for jealousy i thought she was saying "that's all hips, that's all thighs" instead of "i saw hips, i saw thighs". Isn't that gross? haha oh. hehe and i thought she said "he's got a family who does hair" instead of "a family who deals heroin" haha to this day, i still have no clue whether liz says "a cherub's bare wet ass" or a "cherub's bare red ass". the wet one is GROSS, but it would make sense with the "sweet and slippery" i guess. but then is it "slippery" or "zippery" or "sin free" or "zit free" ah ha, who knows;) steve "Give me religion...and a lobotomy" --tori amos *beulah land* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:44:10 -0600 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: lyrics >I've always thought it was "M-16", you know, the combat rifle. As a >fighter jet, I guess an F-16 is wicked. But I've never been impressed with >it. >Mike Connolly >Virginia Beach I thought I was the only person who thought that, I am glad that i am not alone. I personally think an M-16 is way more wicked than an F-16 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious" - Liz Phair http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/lizphair.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:37:11 -0800 From: Edward Dodge Subject: tours and stickers (letters and sodas) an F fucking 16-OK? ever been on the ground when one flew low overhead? trust me, its wicked... the liz-egg sticker is great-but with only one, do i stick it on my jeep (someday i'll describe the heavily stickered windows) or keep it intact? with each and every blessing comes a curse... rumor has it that tour dates in 99 will be mostly european... Dear Liz, Your friend p j harvey was in town the other night...and she had t-shirts... anybody on this list read Clive Barker? just curious... peace MrE .................................................. ...superstar in your own private movie i wanted just a minor part...but i'm no fool, i know you're cool- i never really wanted your heart. ................................................. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:37:13 -0500 From: "Michael Worrell" Subject: Re: mis lyrics & Liz's alleged hotness >Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:07:13 EST >From: Oh4sythia@aol.com >Subject: mis.lyrics & Liz's alleged hotness I thought "F-16" was "acid's sting" and I still think it sounds a lot >like that. And it's cool that way - it makes just as much (or more) sense >that someone's "kisses are as wicked as an acid's sting." How is an f-16 >wicked? > >Leslie >Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:07:13 EST >From: Oh4sythia@aol.com >Subject: mis.lyrics & Liz's alleged hotness >I thought "F-16" was "acid's sting" and I still think it sounds a lot >like that. And it's cool that way - it makes just as much (or more) sense >that someone's "kisses are as wicked as an acid's sting." How is an f-16 >wicked? > >Leslie Yay, something I know about... The Lockheed-Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon is (and has been, since around 1979 or so) one of the world's best multirole fighters in operation today. If memory serves me correctly, since its introduction into service, the F-16 has never been defeated in air-to-air engagements. AIr forces all over the world use the thing, including most of NATO's smaller countries, the Israelis, the USAF & USN, and other nations throughout the Middle East and the Pacific Rim/Asia . We used them in Desert Storm for all kinds of tasks; we use them in the Serbian thing, (USAF Captain Scott O'Grady was flying one when shot down by a SAM), and in various little deployments in the Middle East. Why is it wicked? Because this thing is absolute bad news in a dogfight. It's small, (therefore hard to see), it's capable of all-weather combat, it carries considerable amounts of both air-to-air and air-to-ground ordnance, and it's inexpensive to buy. You've probably seen them; the USAF's Thunderbirds fly the F-16 at airshows. It starred in "Iron Eagle", from 1986 with Jason Gedrick and Louis Gossett, Jr. http://www.af.mil./news/factsheets/F_16_Fighting_Falcon.html is the USAF's blurb on it; if anyone cares for more info, just ask. Michael Worrell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:24:41 -0600 From: Daniel Osborne Subject: Re: L.A. Times Readers Top 100 List I don't know what's better for Liz: making the list or losing to Public Enemy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:50:11 EST From: Paradise79@aol.com Subject: I second the "Chicks think Liz is hot too" thing. In a message dated 26-10-98 1:21:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-support- system-digest@smoe.org writes: > I don't know how this could impact the raging debate over the power of Liz's > being hot on those fans with Y chromosomes... but here it is: I'm a chick > who currently has no reason to *think* I'm not straight (but who knows?), yet > even I am entranced by the mesmerizing beauty of our phair lady Liz... I have all > these pictures of her on my binder... my eye is always drawn to any photos > of her.. and damn it, I do think she's hot. Too bad she's married, she's > straight, and I'm straight... (that doesn't make any sense does it ) I just about had to laugh when I read this, don't worry, though, I'm not laughing @ you. I'm laughing 'cause I'm a straight chick too (hell, I'm engaged) and I think Liz is gorgeous. I told my fiance' a few months ago that Liz is the only woman I'd be willing to have sex with. He just pushed it aside as one of my odd outbursts that I tend to have every so often, but I'm serious. I really don't get it @ all. I mean I adore her music, but hell, I've adored tons of music in my life, but I've never even considered having sex w/Tori or Heather. I think it's just that Liz's image is largely about sex and attraction. It's very hard to listen to her music and then see her and not think about sex in one way or another. It may not be who she is, but it's who she seems to be based on her music. Hyphen "From here, the world looks like an art project."--10 year old Hayley Markman while hanging upside down on the playground. http://members.aol.com/Paradise79/dap.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:00:43 -0600 From: "Allison Nack" Subject: Chicago Tribune Review of Oct. 25 show PHAIR PROVIDES A ROCKIN' SHOW By Maureen Ryan Tribune Staff Writer October 27, 1998 Liz Phair has been called a lot of things in her short career. The Chicago native, who first made her mark with 1993's "Exile in Guyville," has been characterized as everything from an indie-rock pinup girl to a post-feminist chick icon to a hip '90s mommy (in the wake of the birth of her son two years ago). But she's never been called a rock star. Until now. The Phair on display Sunday night at the Vic Theatre dispensed with all the media-friendly role-playing and glib sound bites and, with the help of a top-notch band, just got on with the rocking. And it was good--very good. Phair isn't a natural singer: Unlike Sarah McLachlan and Natalie Merchant, her Lilith Fair tour-mates this past summer, her vocals will never be her strongest point. But her performance at the Vic was almost enough to make you forget that fact--and That's saying something, considering what a scared and easily flustered performer Phair's been in the past. Her real talent lies in her incisive portrayal of the guerrilla war between the sexes, which is why she seemed most comfortable half-singing, half-growling the accusatory lyrics of "Never Said" or smirking through the twisted "Johnny Feelgood." Those two songs represent the dual appeal of Phair's songwriting: She may have a real knack for scolding sheepish lovers, but she casts just as harsh a light on her own half-understood motives. If her songs are as incisive as ever, as a performer, Phair's lightened up considerably. Flubbed lyrics in "Big Tall Man" were greeted with a laugh and a shrug. It may take her some time to master performing without a guitar, which she tried on a few songs with mixed results, but at least Phair seems to be having fun on stage these days. Maybe Phair's relaxed, playful demeanor had something to do with the support system provided by her excellent band, which was able to recreate the varied textures of Phair's new album, "whitechocolatespaceegg." From the lovely, spare syncopation of "Uncle Alvarez" to the wah-wah rock attack of "Supernova," the four-piece band, augmented by a keyboard player and a backup singer, sailed easily through a grab bag of Phair's catchiest hits. Props must be given to drummer Ric Menck, formerly of the Velvet Crush, whose decisive beats deftly anchored the band. But the evening belonged to the girl in the knee boots and demure gray mini-dress who, in a way she never has before, took confident possession of her own music. "Flower," from "Guyville," may be the most dissected rock song since "Stairway to Heaven," but Phair took it back from the rock critics and made it her own again. Suffice to exactly none of the extremely explicit song can be printed in a family newspaper, but Phair sang it without fear or bravado--but of course with that ironic little gleam in her eye. Near the end of the show, as the chugging beats of "What Makes You Happy" transformed the stage of the Vic into a mini-disco, Phair shimmied to the song and clapped with child-like pleasure as it ended. Maybe rock stars aren't supposed to applaud themselves--but why not? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:57:27 -0500 From: Dan Subject: My Liz Tragedy/Description of a Phan. WEll..i know I banished computers, but recently, because of a trip to see Liz Phair, I am forced to reckon with them again...I kinda knew I'd be back, anyway, us taureans are stubborn little bitches,but not that bad.. Anyway, I was on my way to see Liz Phair in Pontiac Michigan...and I also was going to hop on the bus to meet up with Jason Long and Steve from this list to see her again the next day at muchmusic and Opera House in Toronto, keep in mind when Jason LOng gives us his Toronto story, that i was SUPPOSED to be along side of him..then you can see how much i actually missed out on.. it was going to be a wonderful 2 day Liz excursion. Well...on the way to Pontiac on the dangerous american freeway (Canadian propaganda), our car got in a severe 4 car accident. My friend's car is obliterated. It looks like a Princess Diana Death Mobile or something..it is a terrifying sight to see. Of course, we were rushed to the hospitol and I was diagnosed with a broken pelvic bone and partially dislocated shoulder. Bedridden for 6 weeks. Even though I was thankful my head was not through the windsheild and all my friends were fine, I was heartbroken that I missed Liz's Michigan show and could not make it to Toronto for a second look at Liz. I already saw Liz once this year in the Chicago Lilith..but it just isn't the same as seeing her in a smaller, headlining venue. So, I cried and cried, in my little prison wheel chair for the fact that I am out of work for 6 weeks, out of school - lost the semester - and of course, for the fact that I missed out on what sounded like 2 amazing shows...I'm absolutely crushed. No pun intended. Not to mention, the pain is a bitch. Well...it's nice to be back, even though I still do not trust computers for my writing, I now consider this thing a Liz Phair machine only. I really like the descriptions people are giving themselves for the "Typical Liz Phair Phan" thread...i might as well add a description myself... I'm a 21 year old gay guy from Windsor Ontario, 3rd year Creative Writing and Eng. Literature major,and of course, a video store suprevisor. my favorite flavour in clothes is earthtones and if my pants aren't cords, I go bottomless. I come complete with several tattoos of moths scattered about my body and bleach blond hair. I got into Liz when I first saw her live at St.Andrews Hall back in 1993 for her first and painfully shakey tour. I had no clue who she was when i went with my friend, and I literally fell in love with her...a delayed reaction a few days after the show..i couldn't stop thinking of her, so i bought EXILE IN GUYVILLE and since then, she has been my favorite singer/songwriter hands down. Other musical interests: TOadies, REM, David Bowie, Madonna, Prince, Tricky, PJ Harvey, Matthew Sweet, Hole, Letters To Cleo, Bangles, Susanna Hoffs, Blur, Beck,B52's are fun as hell! Erasure, Nine Inch nails, Music I deteste...no one kill me..just helps with the mental image: Poe, Paula Cole, Matchbox 20, Third Eye Blind, Semi-SOnic (you know, those type of bands.) Tragically Hip, I really hate the whole...um...earthy Canadian University bands like that..damn they drive me fuckin' nuts! Hope no one takes offence..i don't think they suck, I just can't stand the style. at any rate, I'm outta here..thanks for listening...these digests are one of the few things getting me through this horrid hardship. Wheeling away, Dan. **************************************************** "Crash and burn, all the stars explode tonight." -Hole. **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:10:00 EST From: Paradise79@aol.com Subject: Katie's Liz experience Sorry to post twice, but Katie, are you my long lost sister (I already have 3 sisters, but they're taste in music sucks, but I digress)? <<...stood next to a bunch of stiffs who didnt dance or sing to more than 3 songs. However, I sang every word and danced until I was out of breath,...Nothing could have made the night more perfect. I yelled and yelled for her to play carnivore but she never did but thats ok. >> I saw Liz @ Roseland and @ the end, she jokingly asked for any requests before "Fuck and Run". I yelled for "Carnivore" and "Rocketboy". Obviously, she didn't oblige, but I dealt w/it. I, too, was jumping around and singing along w/every song even though other people weren't (as that chick w/the fringe and the really high heels pointed out and yes for fringe woman, I did see you @ Roseland that night, hell, I nearly crashed into you, but that's another story for another day). I didn't care if the 15 year-old next to me whose father had to come w/her 'cause he wouldn't let her go alone (it's amazing what you pick up from conversations before a show) stood there the whole time resting her head on the banister. I was jumping and dancing my little heart out. And, damn it, I had one hell of a time. Okay, no real reason for this post. I was just happy to find a kindred spirit. Yet again, Hyphen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:44:52 -0800 (PST) From: mags Subject: misinterpretations this is completely retarded, but i always sang "your lips are sweet and slippery like a sherrif's bare wet ass" and was fully repulsed by that mental image..... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:35:36 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: two cents for now Geez! Let's see if I can type everything I want to respond to in the 40 minute time frame my friend has given me. I'm able to keep up with this list by going through the archives (www.smoe.org/lists/support-system, for those who have a hard time reading it.) at school after rushing through my assignments and head to the computer lab. (skipping classes practically. *gulp*) The thought of Liz adding more dates is killing me too and I think I should put the crystal ball away because I see about 3 or 4 dates in Florida next year. I have this strange thing of predicting the future if I wish for it bad enough. The confusing lyrics discussion has been interesting and the very last line of WCSE song is always missing with my ears. Lyric books reads: Every corner has its favorite clown. I sometimes hear corner, hollow, clown, or crown. Liz's music does plenty of tricks to my ears because lately I've been getting Potty-ester Bride. Don't ask! I don't even know myself! To clear up on the Whip-Smart lyrics, I can read lips and Liz does say "that's them dancing" in the video. More funny tricks on me: I hear piano and strings in Strange Loop? Is it possible that the song is titled this way because of the weird tricky sounds going on? FANatic - rent a video camera! Mine is broken too and I'm trying to convince my mom into renting one after she watched a show. She's all for it, but we're working on getting the computer back first. For who ever does win, it would be a great idea to have Liz sample my WCSE cookies. (Thanks to everyone who has tried them! I haven't had my friends try them yet because I'm always inhaling them and they can't get past my front door!) Many thanks to who ever sent me the Illinois Entertainer! (Brian I think) It really made my day after a long, hard day at work. I wasn't sure of the return address because I was going to make you a tape with Hurricane Cindy on it as an expression of thanks. There's a great article of Liz in the October issue of INsite magazine. I saw it's available in Atlanta, Austin, Boston, Chicago, Denver, Gainsville, Orlando (my lovely town), Seattle, and Tallahasee. I almost robbed the stand and have about 30 extra copies to send to anyone. E-mail me your address and I'll get it to you as soon as I can, either the next time I check my mail or when I get the computer back. I'll be sending just the cover and article since the magazine is too big. Somebody might like to check out this address: www.insitemag.com (If you're not afraid to post your address to the list, I could also get it that way. I'm dying to share it with everyone!) Another magazine spotting: The Q magazine from England has an article about London's Lilith Fair. To be honest, it's really short and not very nice on what they said about Liz. grrrrrrrrr! }:| Woo hoo! More additions to my Liz collection! I found the Higher Learning soundtrack at the flea market on Sunday for $8! Yesterday I got my Whip-Smart promo and Polyester Bride. I was so happy to see it in my mailbox that I think the whole neighborhood heard me. (I live on the bottom of a hill and if you scream loud enough, you can hear it echo. hmm...maybe I should get on the roof and scream my ravings about Liz! LOL) Then I just got the Brain Candy soundtrack after school today. Now I have to wait for my imported Rocket Boy promo I ordered from slcd.com. One strange thing about the Whip-Smart promo (for who else has it), on the back is a picture of a (naked?) woman smoking a cigarette. Gee...a connection with the video? I hope it's not Liz! I went back to massmusic.com and saw that the WCSE import is no longer available. I ordered it right after someone posted it on the list. I don't mind making a tape with Hurricane Cindy on it and I'll include soundtrack songs I have. I'll get back on this when I get the computer back. About the import, I also noticed that the background picture of the lyric book has a bunch of rocks, instead of blue/green clouds. A really great laugh I'd like to share with everyone, I was looking at Jenny's page in the computer lab at school and my teacher looked over my shoulder, what did he say? "That's what you look like with your hair down." What?! Not! I wanted to bang my head on the keyboard because I do not look anything like Liz! Well, there's my two cents for now. I'm glad I'm lucky enough to keep up with the Liz news, I really enjoy reading everyone's posts and reviews. If a petition goes around to bring Liz to the southeast, please put my name down! Thanks a million! Have a spaceeggy day! Katie Myers (um, the name to put on the petition!) P.S. Is the Polyester jukebox version different from the album? I think it is cuz she sounds cuter. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:42:36 EST From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: INsite magazine Hey everyone, I got the chance to check it out. The article I was talking about is available at www.insitemag.com with different pictures. My offer is still open for anyone who would like to have the article. Katie ();) *off to flap her wings and fly away from here* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:53:25 -0800 (PST) From: mags Subject: re: wicked F-16 hiya again refering to "how is an F-16 wicked?": being a canucklehead and all, i could be wrong, but isn't an F-16 a fighter plane? Pretty fucking wicked (the dictionary meaning) to me. melba _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:57:18 -0600 (CST) From: Jasmine Davila Subject: thanks for your support Y'all, Thank you for your assistance (Molly's, especially, as she had two to sell to me) in finding Liz tickets for tonight. I will be attending the show at the Vic! jdavila@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu Whenever I have the urge to exercise, I sit down. Robert Maynard Hutchins ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:16:36 -0800 (PST) From: Suzanne Walsh Subject: A Liz Fan OK = here's my "profile" or whatever you'd call it. I'm 18 yrs old, a senior in high school (sigh) in a crummy suburb of St. Paul, MN. I became interested in Liz because I heard 6'1" and Whip-Smart from tapes my cousin made me about 6 months ago. I consider myself a strong feminist and that is something very very hard to be in high school. I'm straight, but not narrow (I love that phrase) I identify with Liz's music because she is an incredible singer/woman/performer/writer, basically everything and I feel like almost no one else out there captures society the way she does. I'm also a fan of Ani DiFranco, Tori Amos, R.E.M., Mary Lou Lord, and many others. OK, I think that's about it! Suzanne _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 13:54:02 -0800 From: vjohns@acad.com Subject: tapes of recent appearances Hey All- I am very bummed because I have not been able to see any of Liz's recent TV appearances! I was wondering if anyone would be willing to make me a tape? I don't really have anything to trade, but I would pay money! I would like to have the Tonight show, Letterman, Rosie, 120 Minutes, and that Much Music special and anything else I may have missed. Please e-mail me personally if you would like to work something out. As a long time Liz fan, I'd be forever grateful! Thanks- Valerie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 13:58:24 -0800 From: vjohns@acad.com Subject: oh, one more thing (See my previous post) I might actually have something to trade for a tape of the TV appearances...My friend has a PROMO video made for Capitol records where Liz's introduces herself to Capitol and is seen in the studio while making WCSE. At the end are four videos. I would have to get copies made, but I could probably arrange it somehow. Again, e-mail me personally if you are interested. Valerie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:01:44 -0500 From: "Schotz, Gary" Subject: Oct 26th at the Vic I went to the show last night and it rocked! I went with a friend of mine who knew nothing of her songs other than Polyester Bride and Supernova. When I explained to him about her stage fright, he didn't believe me. She seemed very comfortable up there, except for the moments when she was sans guitar. She seemed to be trying to hard to be expressive, perhaps overcompensating for having to do something with her hands? Anyway, some key moments: 1) She poked fun of her stage fright reminiscing about how hard it was to play Never Said when she first hit the talk show circuit. 2) She screwed up the last lyrics of Jealousy in a big way, then started laughing about it. She told a story about how while recording WCSE, she wanted to mutter a line in Headache cause she thought it'd fit but the producers would let her. She sort of hummed along to the lines she was forgetting, then came back for the very last line. 3) Her encore contained a surprise song, or at least I think it was a surprise. Before playing it, she went around to each band member to say something, which she didn't do at any other time during the show. This is why I think "Go On Ahead" was an audible. Plus, I don't recall seeing it on any of the posted set lists from other shows. 4) She dedicated her last song "Fuck and Run" to her mom, after she said to hi to her in the crowd. She then said, "Mom, I think this is the first time you've ever seen me play, isn't it?" Some guy responded by yelling, "It sure is honey!" This cracked Liz up and she replied, "Mom, how you've changed." Only Liz could dedicate Fuck and Run to her mom. 5) The slide show was very interesting before hand. I am curious if anyone knows if the topless Liz shots were actually her, or a photoshop trick? I just assumed it wasn't really her, but I guess I wouldn't be surprised if it was. Overall, it was a great show. Do what you can to get to one, you'll thank me later. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:24:12 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Cooper Subject: Liz in chicago Like Allison said, the show in chicago on the 25th was really great. the only complaint i would have is that it was really hard to hear what she was singing at times especially during the faster, more rocking tunes. if i didn't know every word i'm not sure i would have known what she was singing. I don't think my friend Josh enjoyed the concert as much as he would have had he been able to undestand the lyrics. at the end of the show he even asked me if she had sung the Fuck and Run song we had been telling him about, and she had just played it but he couldn't understand what she was singing at all. did anyone else there notice the sound problems? did they fix it at any of the other Chicago shows or was it just the Vic's acoustics? but otherwise the show was great, I wouldn't have minded a little more between-songs banter, but she's a musician and she performed as a musician, and a damn fine one too. She did seem kind of shy up there though at times and she never moved very far from the center of the stage, and unfortunatley never came over to our side. and she seemed a little nervous before starting Perfect World too. but aside from the drowned out lyrics and the drunk psychotic fan the concert was great and i'm so glad i got an opportunity to see Liz live and that I was able to meet up with another Liz fan who provided me with some more interesting Liz info (thanks Allison). but i don't think i (or really Liz i guess) made a fan out of my friend Josh. He commented that the show was a little too "electric" (he's more into acoustic guitars and stuff) and a lot of the songs sounded alike. he did appreciate Never Said though which was cool since that's my favorite song. well i hope she adds more tour dates so more people are able to see her live, b/c she's really great. Jen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:38:59 -0600 From: "smilin' joe riley" Subject: felicity anyone else watching felicity? They played Baby Got Going during the party scene...Just thought it was cool to see her played on tv. (and the whole pink power ranger thing was funny..:) just a pointless post... anthony :) In honor of National Drug Awareness Week: "We're all stars now in the Dop Show" -Marily Manson- "I dropped acid on a Saturday night just to see what the fuss was about..." -Sheryl Crow- AOL IM: iieee 658 ICQ: 14425695 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:35:11 -0500 (EST) From: The New Zero Subject: kansas show! according to ticketmaster webpage, liz is scheduled to play LIberty Hall in Lawrence, Kansas on nov 23 steve "Give me religion...and a lobotomy" --tori amos *beulah land* ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #58 ***********************************