From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #53 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Friday, October 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- more lyrics confusion [Wetyuk@aol.com] mis heard lyrics ["Jennifer Sayler" ] RE: Double dutch ["Connolly, Michael EMC RSG" ] Liz Phair slides ["Jenks, Jason" ] boot of the roseland show [Ascending to the Stars ] Fwd: WCSE sticker [Paradise79@aol.com] Forwarded message [Jason Long ] Liz and ewoks [Paradise79@aol.com] "Go West" in a flick ["michelle mcdonald" ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #52 [Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David)] random note [The New Zero ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] Bounced message [Jason Long ] ewoks [Dana Grayson ] Strange Liz happenings [Suzanne Walsh ] Liz rocks Cleveland, info. about Columbus [Cate Harrington ] PB single?!?!?!? ["Stacey Wirt" ] my complaint [Sarah_Johnston@nexus.roch.edu (Sarah Johnston)] posters, t-shirts [brat1978@juno.com (Fre C Neutz)] mis-heard lyrics.. ["The Sandman" ] its cooler, headin' south ["DarkSide oftheMoon" ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #52 [LULU428@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V1 #52 ["DarkSide oftheMoon" Subject: mis heard lyrics ok, here is my long silly hopefully funny list of misheard lyrics 1. in Help Me MAry I thought a line was: play me like a pitbull ina basement in FLorida, but actually it was: in a basement and for that 2. In Fuck and Run I thought the 1st line was: I woke up alone, but it is: I woke up alarmed (makes much more sense this way 3. In Go West I thought : And go west John, yeah , but actually it is : go west young man 4. In Crater Lake I thought: shipground resevoir, but it is: shit brown resevoir ( maybe it was the water theme) 5. In May Queen: I thought it was he's a national emblem, but it is: national end all 6. In Johnny Sunshine, I thought: you left me laughing, but its: you left me nothing Well, I hope that was at least a little amusing, so it was worth reading! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/lizphair.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 08:16:26 -0400 From: "Connolly, Michael EMC RSG" Subject: RE: Double dutch > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:14:15 EDT > From: Wetyuk@aol.com > I've read more than once (this list and the Whip-Smart lyrics and guitar tabs book put out by Hal Leonard Corp. included) > that the line is, "When they do the double-dutch they stand tensies." Okay, > first of all, what the hell does that mean? < I've always been told that it refers to some move in jump-roping. It was a grade-school fad that was pretty popular at the time McLaren recorded "Double Dutch", if not here then at least in the UK (but I do remember a news story on TV about a team jumprope tournament in Chicago around that time.) Mike Connolly Virginia Beach ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:30:00 -0500 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: misheard lyrics Oh, I almost forgot, this one may be the funniest of all In Glory when she says Circa 1981, I always thought it was Sorry little teeny one ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny "I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious" - Liz Phair http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/lizphair.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:13:59 -0400 From: "Jenks, Jason" Subject: Liz Phair slides OK, I'm resolved that Liz Phair is probably not going to come to Charlotte or the Carolinas for that matter. Sorry, I don't live in a very hip city. Perhaps, there is a chance of her coming to Atlanta. It's only 4 hours away or to some college town like Chapel Hill. Unfortunately, I have read nothing from you Liz devotees about such a think possibly occurring. So has anyone been able to actually get out of a concert with a photo of the Liz Phair nude slide that I've been hearing so much about? I would kill to see it. I know I sound like one of those ignorant frat boys that everyone's been complaining about at the concert but my attraction is based on how brilliant she is and...OK, I admit it -how hot she is. I apologize for being male, but if you're a guy you know you can't help it. Has anyone considered getting Liz to make an appearance on the MTV Fanatic show. I'm afraid I would be too embarrassed to ever be on that show. I would say all the wrong things like I want to marry you, I want to sleep with you, etc. A girl should do it from this list. Apply for the Fanatic show. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 10:49:54 -0400 From: Ascending to the Stars Subject: boot of the roseland show does anyone have a copy of this show? its the only one i went to that i don't have/am not getting on tape, and i would love a copy if anyone has one.. i have a bunch of stuff to trade (and i can burn cds, so....) let me know and i'm still looking for those guitar tabs.... (:ruthie:) - -- *******Deceive*******Inveigle*******Obfuscate******* "Wild and unwise, I wanna be mesmerizing, too" "So I hope you all will see, there just isn't a place here for me" "All the stars up in heaven were rushed by an angel, to see the light of your face better" --Liz Phair "I'm in love with the world through the eyes of a girl who's still around the morning after" --Elliott Smith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:07:09 -0400 From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Liz Phair slides Jason Jenks wrote: <<>> Au contraire, mon frere. I'm a guy, and I have no trouble helping it. Now, if it was Michael Stipe we were talking about. Or Rufus Wainwright. Then maybe I'd understand. Stop making assumptions please. - --Michael, wondering what the queer women on the list think ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:02:17 EDT From: Paradise79@aol.com Subject: Fwd: WCSE sticker This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --part0_909072137_boundary Content-ID: <0_909072137@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Well, folks, guess we won't be getting any WCSE stickers. I wrote and asked, but I got this back. Hyphen - --part0_909072137_boundary Content-ID: <0_909072137@inet_out.mail.matador.recs.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (rly-zb01.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.1]) by air-zb01.mail.aol.com (v50.22) with SMTP; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:42:58 -0400 Received: from lanconnect.lanconnect.net (lanconnect.net [206.249.10.30]) by rly-zb01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id MAA18032 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.84.141.222] by lanconnect.lanconnect.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 101-38039U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA143 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:40:35 -0400 X-Sender: kenb@pop.recs.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 12:40:40 +0800 To: Paradise79@aol.com From: kenb@matador.recs.com (Ken Brenninger) Subject: Re: WCSE sticker Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >I was just wondering what I had to do to get a whitechocolatespaceegg sticker. unfortunately, we're all out of liz stickers at this point.... sorry bout' that.... - - Ken Matador Records Attn: Ken Mail Order/ Retail Sales 625 Broadway, 12th Floor New York, NY 10012 Phone: 212 995 5882 Fax: 212 477 5074 - --part0_909072137_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:01:11 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Forwarded message [This message was sent directly to me and not the list. Please send all messages intended for the list to . - JL] From: Craig King Subject: Whip-Smart Hey everyone, I was just wondering if there was anyone out there that thinks Whip-Smart is Liz's best album? Everyone seems to think that Exile is, but I personally like Whip-Smart the best. Don't get me wrong, I love Exile, but its just not my absolute favorite. I'll probably get fried for that, but oh well. I just think that her guitar playing is the weirdest, funkiest, and best on that album. I've listened to that album to death because i love it so much! I was just wondering if anyone else felt that way. See ya! KingAdRock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:08:29 EDT From: Paradise79@aol.com Subject: Liz and ewoks > the line "got any what?" from may queen, my friend replied "she's > got an ewok?" My fiance' sings the same thing. He knows the actual words, but he likes the ewok line better. I thought he was just insane. I'm glad to see more people share his insanity. :-) As for mis-heard Liz lyrics, mine could fill a whole digest. Give me some time to sort them out and I'll write my favorite ones. BTW: I love this whole "Liz lyrics we completely screwed up" topic. It's rather embarrassing when you're in the car w/someone, singing your heart out, and they point out that the lines you've been singing for a few years are wrong, but more often than not, the words you thought were there are much funnier than the real thing. Hyphen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:51:51 PDT From: "michelle mcdonald" Subject: "Go West" in a flick Hi there. Just thought I would let everyone know that I saw the movie "Walking and Talking" on Showtime last night and they played "Go WEst" about mid-way through. The movie was part of Showtime's "The Best of Sundance" series and it is really good--Anne Heche, Liev Schreiber and others I can't recall. Very funny and very true. Adios--michelle PS. Jason--sorry abt. the address confusion. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 98 12:49:21 EDT From: Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David) Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #52 - --- You wrote: In response to confusions with Liz lyrics: The main, heavily repeated Malcolm McLaren line in "Whip-Smart." I've read more than once (this list and the Whip-Smart lyrics and guitar tabs book put out by Hal Leonard Corp. included) that the line is, "When they do the double-dutch they stand tensies." Okay, first of all, what the hell does that mean? Second, if you watch the video and read her lips (c'mon all you lip readers, I know you're out there) that is definitely NOT what she's saying. Isn't the line, "When they do the double- dutch that's them dancing?" And for that matter, what the hell does that mean? I don't know, but it makes a lot more sense to me than the first version. Does anybody know what the context of that line was originally? - --- end of quote --- She sings "they stand tensies" on the Girlysound version of "Whip-Smart". I think it has to do with ten toes, like jumping on your toes when you double-dutch jump rope, but I'm not sure. On the album, the line is, "That's them dancing." Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:22:41 -0400 (EDT) From: The New Zero Subject: random note At the Pontiac show, there were more than a few songs where liz didnt play guitar (off the top of my head, flower, dance of 7 veils, happy, support system...i think there were more). At first i was kinda disappointed to see her put her guitar down. but after seeing her do her first guitarless song, i realized something: it worked. ok, i guess i can do a comparison here. Take Paula Cole (i know there are lots of fans on this list, im not trying to offend anyone, this is just my opinion, and we all know what those are like hehe). I have seen Paula live, and when she is at her piano, she is just incredible. amazing. powerful. However, as soon as she gets off that bench and goes to the mic, leaving the piano behind her, she loses it. She swings her arms around like a monkey and tries to rhythmically beat her hip and/or ass, and looks like, well, a complete moron. she shouldnt leave that piano. for me, it was a very important piece of her performance. once it was taken out, the performance fell apart. it was lost, as was my interest. and it isnt just paula...i dont really mean to single her out...she was just the first example that came to my head. So, as soon as Liz put down the guitar i was thinkin "nooooooooo dont do that, pick it back up!". But i was wrong. She took the microphone out of the stand and walked all over the stage and danced like a maniac (but not like a moron). she sang 7 veils a lot slower (it seemed like we were all Johnny and she was singing, or explaining, to us how she was gonna kill us...all innocently and sweetly) and did all these cute little hand motions, things she couldnt do with the guitar. it also seemed to me like she was able to concentrate on her voice a little more. The guitarless perfor mances were just as good as the others. it was obvious that she enjoyed them too. conclusion: Liz has wonderful stage presence, with or without her guitar. it is hard to imagine that this is a person who once had stage fright. it didnt show. at all. :) steve ps- what is even MORE random is that she played guitar for WCSE (The song). if i recall correctly, she didnt play guitar on the song for the album, right? so that was really cool:). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:24:11 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message From: Richard Wakeley Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #43 i think it was katie who asked how many people lived in the southeast, and yes, i'm among the unfortunate. i live in Florida too, maybe all the Florida people could petition to matador to send her down here! see ya, steve w. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:24:24 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message [This message bounced on its way to the list because it contained HTML encoding. Please, if you're using a mailer built into a web browser, make sure your preference is set for plain text only when posting to the list. - JL] From: David Pittman Subject: you probably should skip this post i feel like such a tool for doing this. i am way behind the times. i didnt have time to read the digests for almost a month now, and im trying to catch up, especially as i am seeing liz on the 25th. i have read about 2 weeks worth today, a pretty damn good amount of reading, my eyes are glazed over. there are a few things that i wanted to say, though, apologies in advance if im behind the times, because i am. 1) california is in the movie chasing amy. 2) i love the lead-ins to liz's songs as my favorite parts. i guess it is anticipation of the kick-ass song coming up. specifically: jealousy, support system, and may queen. 3) my friend said she heard big tall man on the radio (92.5 in chicago market) 4) if anyone is doing copies of the muchmusic thingyding, i would love to get one or trade. i have the recent 120 minutes appearance, letterman appearance, plus the pottymouth girl and fuck and run cd's if anyone will trade (please) 5) thank you everyone for your time, and i love this list...im kicking myself for not keeping up. maybe by 3 in the morning, but i dont think ill be much into typing by then. 6) favorite bands: (you may disregard this due to the length of the post already and my lack of taste with my blessings...) the infatuations... liz the loves.... the beatles radiohead elvis costello bjork the likes..... u2 cracker/ camper van beethoven acdc belly alice in chains beck (obviously not all for the same reasons!!!) thanks, dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:23:53 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Bounced message [This message bounced on its way to the list as it exceeded the maximum length allowed by the server. - JL] From: "martina feichtinger" Subject: non Liz related.....two articles on Matthew Shepard Hi everybody, I've been thinking for quite a while now if to post those two articles or not (since it has absolutely nothing to do with Liz Phair or music in general, and the articles are very long) but I decided to do so. I am pretty sure most of you have heard of it, but just in case some of you haven't - take the time and read it!!! It's important. Thanks, Martina. Time - October 1998 That's Not A Scarecrow-- A Brutal Assault In Wyoming And A Rise In Gay Bashing Fuel The Debate Over Sexual Orientation By: Howard Chua-Eoan, Reported by Richard Woodbury/Denver and Maureen Harrington/Laramie Matthew Shepard was not openly gay. He was just himself. If people asked and he felt comfortable in their presence, he'd say, "I'm gay." There was no flaunting it. After all, he was a freshman at the University of Wyoming in the Cowboy State, a campus where real men were supposed to love football and all-night parties. Shepard, barely 5-ft. 2-in. tall and on a good day 105 lbs., preferred political debate and languages (German and Arabic) to the stereotypical masculine pursuits of his father's alma mater. Shepard said his jaw was recently broken by a man in a Cody, Wyo., bar who decked him when he realized he was gay. There are no gay bars in Wyoming. The closest gay nightclubs to Shepard's college are a 1 1/2-hr. drive away and across the Colorado border. Still, Shepard was comfortable enough to join his school's gay organization, comfortable enough knowing that some people were aware of his sexual orientation and most suspected it. Perhaps, despite his quiet caution, he was too comfortable. Last Tuesday night, at the Fireside Lounge, a campus watering hole where he was a favorite regular, Shepard, 21, was enough at ease to strike up a conversation with two tall, muscular men, Russell Henderson, 21, and Aaron McKinney, 22, both high school dropouts. In fact, Shepard was comfortable enough to get into a pickup truck with them at about midnight. According to the police in Laramie, Wyo., the pair had apparently led him to believe that they too were gay. But all pretense vanished as the journey got under way. Police say the three were barely a half-mile on Grand Avenue, Laramie's main street, when McKinney abruptly pulled over and, apparently taking turns with Henderson, began pounding Shepard on the head with a .357 Magnum revolver. The pair then drove about a mile east of town and, on Snowy Mountain View Road, they dragged Shepard out of the car. "They tied him to a post," says police commander Dave O'Malley, and as he begged for his life, they "beat him and beat him." Perhaps as an afterthought, police say, the pair took Shepard's wallet and his shoes. The back of his head bashed to the brain stem, his face cut, his limbs scorched with burn marks, Shepard hung spread-eagled on a rough-hewn deer fence through a night of near freezing temperatures, unconscious and losing more and more blood. On the evening of the next day, 18 hours after he was abandoned, two bicyclists saw him. At first, they thought they were looking at a scarecrow. On seeing his nephew's near lifeless body hooked up to a respirator, Robert Eaton told a reporter, "It's like something you might see in war." The comparison was apt. The brutal assault came at a time when the U.S. is buzzing with a dissonant debate over sexual orientation. It is a controversy fueled by reports of increased violence against homosexuals and a new campaign by religious conservatives touting the power of faith to overcome what they proclaim to be a sinful sensuality. The Wyoming attack occurred days shy of National Coming Out Day, which was heralded not only by gay organizations but also by the Center for Reclaiming America as it launched a new series of TV ads avowing that conversion to Christianity can reverse even the most sordid of homosexual life-styles. In one ad, the mother of a now nonpracticing homosexual declares, "Just because you love your children, it doesn't mean you approve of everything they do. Sometimes they make bad choices." After the attack on Shepard, gay activists decried Reclaiming America's campaign as, in the words of Jennifer Einhorn of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, "a license to hate." They point not only to the proliferation of print ads deploring the gay life-style but also to a disturbing rise in bashings in safe gay havens, including Greenwich Village in New York City and Halsted Street in Chicago. The Family Research Council, which partly funds Reclaiming America, condemned the assault but said gay activists were exploiting it to promote their agenda. It stressed that the ads' message was "not about hate" but "about hope" and that "every crime is a hate crime." Wyoming had been the site of many archconservative victories. The legislature three times crushed bills to outlaw discrimination against gays and lesbians. That stance may become problematic. Did the lack of legal restraint foster the assault? It certainly prevents Henderson and McKinney from being charged with a hate crime, though two women arrested as accomplices say the men made antigay remarks following the episode. Henderson and McKinney sat stone-faced as they were arraigned on charges of attempted first-degree murder: alleged villains in the war against gays, cast out of anonymity and clothed in inflammatory orange. The victim too has been transformed. "He was never imposing," says Shepard's friend Walt Boulden, describing "the most gentle soul I've ever met. He would smile at everyone." Boulden adds, "One-night stands, that wasn't Matt. Sex wasn't his primary interest." He wanted to find love. But as he lay near death, Matthew Shepard, through no choice of his own, had found martyrdom. - --Reported by Richard Woodbury/Denver and Maureen Harrington/Laramie - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------ Mourners Seek Passage of Hate Crime .c The Associated Press By DARLENE SUPERVILLE WASHINGTON (AP) -- Amid chants of ``Now, Now, Now,'' hundreds of people mourning the beating death of a gay University of Wyoming student on Wednesday urged Congress to pass a stalled hate crimes bill before adjourning for the year. ``We take issue with those who say that we don't need these laws,'' said House Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt of Missouri, echoing the sentiments of several speakers at a candlelight vigil in memory of 21-year-old Matthew Shepard. ``Pass hate crimes legislation,'' added Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla. Shepard died Monday at a Fort Collins, Colo., hospital, five days after he was found pistol-whipped and tied to a fence in near-freezing temperatures outside Laramie, Wyo. His death has become a rallying point for gays and lesbians nationwide seeking state and federal legislation to protect them from discrimination. A hate crimes bill introduced in Congress this year would broaden existing law to cover offenses motivated by a person's gender, disability and sexual orientation, and would make it easier for federal authorities to step in and prosecute such crimes. Congress has not acted on the bill, other than to hold hearings. ``I am so pissed off. I can't stop crying,'' said an emotional Ellen DeGeneres, whose network television sitcom, ``Ellen,'' was canceled after her character announced she was a lesbian. ``This is what I was trying to stop.'' Hundreds of people attended the vigil on the steps of the Capitol overlooking the National Mall and its monuments. They held candles with flames that flickered in the wind, or neon green glow-in-the-dark lights distributed by the Human Rights Campaign, a national political advocacy group for gays and lesbians. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., an openly gay member of Congress, told the vigil participants to learn the positions on gay and lesbian issues of every candidate running for election next month. ``We can protect ourselves with our vote in November,'' he said. ``We need to send the strongest possible signal as a nation that these crimes will not be tolerated in the United States,'' added Sen. Edward Kennedy, D- Mass, a sponsor of the hate crimes bill in the Senate. Attorney General Janet Reno met for more than an hour Wednesday with representatives of more than a dozen gay and lesbian groups and renewed her call for Congress to pass the hate crimes bill. Reno has ordered U.S. attorneys across the country to establish hate-crime working groups with state and local authorities in their jurisdictions. AP-NY-10-14-98 2204EDT Copyright 1998 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without prior written authority of The Associated Press. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:59:34 -0500 (EST) From: Dana Grayson Subject: ewoks >>>please note that even though i will admit that i have seriously messed >>>up liz >>>lyrics before, these particular two incidents stem from a time i was >>>listening >>>to her with one of my very star trek-minded friends. >>>upon hearing the line "got any what?" from may queen, my friend replied >>>"she's >>>got an ewok?" and still to this day she insists that liz is singing "better >>>than yoda" instead of "letters and sodas" on fuck and run. >>>go figure. >>>lins that is really funny...somone told me last night that they thought the very same thing... perhaps she really is talking about ewoks? i never had thought of it, and now 2 people have brought it up in two days... although i must admit 'got any what' makes a hell of a lot more sense she didnt perform on 120 minutes? isnt that the whole point of being onthe show? - -dana ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:11:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Suzanne Walsh Subject: Strange Liz happenings I got a quick story to tell: This morning as I left for school, I realized that my defroster wasn't working but I left anyways. Well, I got to the end of my street and decided that I probably can't drive if I can't see out the front. So I turned around and in haste switched cars. But I forgot to grab my tape of EIG which is ALL I listen to in the car. So I turned on the radio hoping to find something decent that wouldn't stick in my head. And guess what came on???? "never said"!! I was in shock, cuz it was on one of MN's better stations, but still not good enough to play Liz. Just had to tell people who might care cuz none of my friends thought it was that cool. Suzanne _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:27:57 -0700 From: Cate Harrington Subject: Liz rocks Cleveland, info. about Columbus I hope this is how you post stuff, I've never done it before. Anyway, I saw Liz last night in Cleveland (It was totally amazing, wow!) Anyway, we stuck around after the show to try and meet Liz. When her backup singer, Janet (who is one of the nicest people I have ever met), came out I asked her if she knew whether the Columbus show was going to be rescheduled or not. She said she didn't know they were even going to do a Columbus show. I said you're kidding because I have 4 tickets to it, and I knew a lot of you do to. There was another girl there too (Christa, right?) asking about Columbus. To make a really long story short, Janet went back inside, then came back out and took the 2 of us inside so we could ask Liz ourselves about the Columbus show. Janet introduced us to Liz and, among other things we talked about, I asked her why Columbus was cancelled. She said her people went ahead and scheduled the show without telling her about it. When Liz found out about it, she said she had to cancel it because the last 2 times she's left home she has had to leave her son behind, and she's trying to be a mother to him and raise a family, and she needs to be with him to do that (you've got to admire her for that, but it still sucks for all of us who have tickets for Columbus!) She said she will be doing a show in Columbus, but she doesn't know when for sure, but after a break after the Chicago shows. She will also be doing other shows, but Texas was the only other place they knew of for sure. Just thought I'd pass that info. along. I hope someone else hasn't already reported it. Bye all. Oh yeah, Janet, if your reading this, just wanted to say hi (I was at Cleveland wearing the shiny blue coat) Bye. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 15:11:06 -0500 From: Vasant Ramamurthy Subject: I need a favor! i need a favor from one extremely nice support-system member. could someone buy for me a liz phair t-shirt at a concert? i really want one badly, but unfortunately have no means to go see her. i would greatly appreciate it. please e-mail me if you can do this for me. thanks, vasant - --- ROCKAWAY BEACH - the best in punk and indie from the '70s-'90s Wednesdays, 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. (Central) KWUR 90.3 FM in St. Louis or on RealAudio at http://kwur.wustl.edu Playlists on my home page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~vramamur/music.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 98 16:43:33 From: "Stacey Wirt" Subject: PB single?!?!?!? hi everyone! OK, here's my question for those of you blessed enough to have obtained a polyester bride vinyl : Does it include the song "white bird of texas"? i am asking because the cd form of the single (?) has been released in japan according to the stratford -on-guy site, and it supposedly contains greased lightening, and polyester bride, AND white bird of texas. So confusing!!! - - Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:30:43 -0500 From: Sarah_Johnston@nexus.roch.edu (Sarah Johnston) Subject: my complaint dear owner-support-system-digest, i love liz phair, i love her sound and style and especially her lyrics. i can almost always relate to what she sings about. my only complaint is that i am 18 and the only show that came to my area (minnesota) was a 21 ID show. i was super bummed, because liz phair is my favorite artist and i would have gladly paid more then the twelve bucks that the lucky 21 year olds paid to go see her. lates. sarah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:12:19 -0400 From: brat1978@juno.com (Fre C Neutz) Subject: posters, t-shirts i was wondering if anyone knew where I could find liz posters and/or t-shirts. i didn't see any at the show in philly and i never see any in stores. please email me at brat1978@juno.com thanx fred ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 20:33:38 +0000 From: "The Sandman" Subject: mis-heard lyrics.. I always thought in Mesmerizing, when she says "...nobody parts two rivers met...", I thought she was singing," don't you know nobody parts two rivers, MATT". I could never figure out who the hell Mat was!!! To whomever wondered what the line "When they do the double-dutch, that's them dancing" (which is the correct line, by the way) meant... Double Dutch is a jump rope game involving two ropes. I can only assume she means that when the children are playing at this, it's their dance... There's my stab at doing what I hate doing - interpreting lyrics! As a songwriter myself, I feel it's an often (but not always) irritating habit of fans... Anyway, these are my humble thoughts..... ****************************************************************** www.members.tripod.com/~sandmanTim/index.html "We are the musicmakers, and we are the dreamers of the dreams..." -Willy Wonka ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:26:36 PDT From: "DarkSide oftheMoon" Subject: its cooler, headin' south >oh, and janet ALSO said that they might head down south, to texas and >the like. i asked about florida, because i know a lot of you are >hopin' liz will come down there...and she was like "Oooh i dont think >we are...but thats ok cuz the weather SUCKS!" Well guess what guys, fall has fallen, its so nice here, nice concert weather. Soooooooooooo? COME SOUTH LIZ !~!~!~!~!~!~ It was great sittin out on the porch tonight, WCSE on the stereo and the doors open with the music on loud.....well if I can't turn the old lady on to Liz, maybe the neighbors,,hmmmmmm... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 22:34:18 EDT From: LULU428@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #52 if anyone is compiling all the b-sides and movie soundtrack songs like - erecting a movie star, hurricane cindy, greased lightening, and freak of nature - I would love a copy somehow. I am a poor teacher (who has not received a paycheck yet, believe it or not- nyc public school system sucks that way) who can't afford to buy each one. I have the avalon show, it is great and sounds great. I would love a copy of any other show from this tour that someone may have. I would love to trade or something. I also thought in supernova it was "a sheriff's bare wet ass." until I realized that was absolutely ridiculous. I loved finding out the real words to may queen cause that is one of the most fun songs to sing really loud. I think shitloads of money is also a real sing out loud kind of song too. liz wears the best clothes, huh? she is just a regular fashion plate. I hope she sells enough records to support her fabulous wardrobe! all your stories of liz are making me jealous even though I saw her at roseland. I was straining to see her over really tall people and it made it sooo hard to really enjoy. I regret not squeezing my way up front. oh well, at least I got to see her right. sorry all you southerners. Oh yeah, 106.3 in nj is still playing polyester bride. I hear it like at 4:15-4:30 every day as I am driving home from work. It comes in very fuzzy in brooklyn, but nonetheless, it is very exciting to hear on the radio. (even though I could pop my tape in at any moment and hear it clear and uncut) Lani ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 19:40:44 PDT From: "DarkSide oftheMoon" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #52 >Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:44:50 -0400 >From: Ascending to the Stars >Subject: guitar tabs > >hey all.. my friend is looking for good liz guitar tabs online.. anyone >know where she can find them? Try these: http://olga.net/ http://www.btinternet.com/~gez.gtr/liz.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 23:21:13 -0400 From: X-Ray Man Subject: [Introduction] I don't need no support system Hi all you Phair-philes, my name is Trent and I'm introducing myself to the list. I just saw Liz Phair in Detroit and Toronto and got to meet her in Toronto. She is such an incredible performer live. I'm sure that after this tour she'll want to tour again. She just looks like she's having too much fun. I have a cute story about the shows I've seen. In detroit, I was up front and was pointing to her (at the end of the encore) and she saw my had and did "E.T. fingers" with me. We didn't quite connect but I was geeked. Then when I met her in Toronto, I told her I was the "E.T. fingers" guy and she was like "Oh man, I'm glad you're here cause we didn't quite connect" so we did it again and missed AGAIN (i was so nervous) but she was like "Okay, Okay let's do it again" and we finally connected. Then she says "let's do it again" so we did and my friend Liz (not Phair--she's on this list--Hi Liz) took a picture. It was awesome!!! that's my $0.02 trent - --- It took an hour, maybe a day But once I really listened the noise just fell away - --Liz Phair "Stratford On Guy" ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #53 ***********************************