From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #46 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Saturday, October 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Illinois Entertainer [BBelbis@aol.com] Alligator boots? [AngelLieb@aol.com] Higher Learning [AngelLieb@aol.com] funny [jimmy ] Radio ["Chipko Arnold" ] sessions ["Anthony LaSala" ] Liz's ghost story [lau66@juno.com (Laura C Sheperis)] my 2 cents ["DarkSide oftheMoon" ] ben lee and trades ["Jennifer Sayler" ] Sessions, concerts, other reactions ["Cynthia Nagle" ] Live Liz [Robert Cormack ] Last Rock Star Book [David Weich ] anotha list [Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David)] Ben Lee, Liz on the Radio [TaliaK@aol.com] thanks ["Heather Coleman" ] some questions for those oh so knowledgeable ones ["Jennifer Sayler" > hehe! }:) My "Turning Japanese" friend is gonna kill me the second she'll open her WCSE cd! She hates it whenever I sing the Polyester Bride song! LOL "I was talking not two days ago......" Well, out of boredom as usual, I checked out Jenny's site and felt like trying out the quiz again. Yippee me! I passed and am a Liz Wiz! Thanks Jenny for the lovely award you gave me! "You love me! You really love me!" (LOL!) It's nice to have you back Jenny! Other people's concerts: Me am jealous that someone went to see Fleetwood Mac! My mom wouldn't go and then she said it was ok after the show was already sold out! arrrrrrrgh! I told her that she MUST not work the show if I didn't get the chance to see them. Sigh, of course I was in a bad mood at the time and she didn't work the show. Beck, sounds cool, I wonder what he sounds like live. Grateful Dead, rats, I missed them when they came to my town a few years back. <> Melodic section? Gee, a friend of mine keeps telling me that she likes the parts of "Do you want to flap your wings and fly......" and "You've got time" from Polyester Bride. So, let me guess, they have to be a kindergarten type of sing along songs and not a whole phrase like Liz has? Examples: da da da (Da Da Song), la la la la (Kind and Generous), the very simple lyrics of Ice Cream. Oh well. *dances along to Big Tall Man* Oh yeah, one more thing, Mr E, great letter! I love this part! <> Katie ():) cuz I'm a sucker for your lucky pretty eyes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:56:12 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Higher Learning Rats dangit! I knew I was forgetting something! Higher Learning, where in the movie can you hear Liz's song? Katie ():) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:39:43 -0400 From: jimmy Subject: funny someone please email with an answer: how early should you get to the venue before doors to get a spot up front. actually, i want to have front of the baclcony so i can sit down. but i dunno how early to arrive. i just think it is funny that liz phair and alanis morisette are both playing the detroit area monday nite. make the correlations/anti-parallels yourself xjimmy - -- Sleater-Kinney Concert Review + Tour Dates http://my.voyager.net/jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 05:55:06 PDT From: "Chipko Arnold" Subject: Radio All this talk of stations not playing Liz because they didn't get enough free booty is funny. In London GLR play Liz and they announced that they got the cd from CDnow! American stations take note, these people are BUYING records to play on air, that's enthusiasm for you. I know the BBC don't have much money (it's a BBC station) but i hope they re-imbursed them for buying an import. Rock on guys! As these guys are such fans hopefully they'll get Liz to play live when she comes over, it'll be some type of repayment at least. Maybe if they play it enough the royalty cheques will pay her air-fare! "and i wonder how i've come to know so much less than i knew before" ... Joseph Lee Henry. "i know the promise is so much better than the real thing" ... Grand Drive. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:16:12 -0500 From: "Anthony LaSala" Subject: sessions Hello all - this is my first post, I was at the sessions show also on Thursday and it was, as Laura put it best, surreal. I had front row seats and she was about 5 feet from me for the whole show. Free tix, a free CD, David Byrne was the host, I got the set list and a guitar pick and she even asked me in between songs how I got the tix. The set was similar to the one from her other shows, except a little mixed up (She opened with Mesmerizing and closed with F&R and What Makes You Happy.) The best part had to be the stories she told in between - one of which was a ghost story about her getting high in the wilderness in Montana and seeing a baseball player dressed in full uniform on her way back down the trail. She was also pretty freaked out about the fact that parts of The Excorcist were filmed in the same studio we were sitting in. I'm not sure when it's airing or if the talking parts will be included, but it's on PBS on Sunday's (11PM in NYC). If anyone gets the chance to attend one of these things, go because they are pretty amazing. - -Anthony ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:53:54 -0400 From: lau66@juno.com (Laura C Sheperis) Subject: Liz's ghost story So, as I posted yesterday, I went to see Liz at Sessions yesterday. I was expecting to read about more people who were there from this List. Was there anyone??? I find it hard to believe I would be the only one. Maybe I'm the only one who lives in NY, doesn't have a job and goes to school at night... Anyway, Liz seemed very much in the Halloween spirit, as she kept asking if anyone had ghost stories and seemed very freaked out to learn that they had taped a scene from (I think) Poltergeist in that very studio. And so while she was waiting for them to fix lighting or tape or something, she said she'd tell us her only true "ghost story". I'm only telling this b/c I don't think it's going to be on the show on TV, and if I wait to find out and then tell it, I may forget. SO... LIz was out in Montana with her godparents to do hiking and what not. It was getting late and dark, and she was out on a trail by herself to go to the top of this mountain/hill and smoke a joint and see the scenery out below her. She said that as you get further and further out, there is just nothing out there. So she's sitting there enjoying the scenery (or lack thereof), and all of a sudden a big black baseball player in full uniform, swinging a bat, comes and walks right past her and says, "How ya doin'?" and keeps walking. SInce she was stoned she didn't really think much of it at first, but when she got back to the lodge she asked if there was anything like a baseball team or a field out there, etc, and of course they said no. So the only way she can explain it is that it was a ghost... I didn't realize they were gonna be so lax about checking for cameras and recording equipment, b/c if I had known they wouldn't even look or didn't care, I would have taped it. Oh well. And to bring in one little un-Liz-related thing, In response to: <<<(Fiona sucks... just my opinion).>> << LOL! Gee, I have mixed feelings on whether or not I like Fiona, even though I < Subject: my 2 cents First off a big welcome back to Jen...we missed ya. Second does anyone know if Liz's performance on Rosie is posted on the net somewhere? Lizphair.com has letterman and Leno AND for those who haven't seen it (including myself until the other night) the video for Stratford-on Guy and Polyester Bride !!!! But I havent seen anyplace transpose Rosie into an avi yet. To laura: Free tickets to a w57th session to see LIz play live...ten feet from her...my gawd you people up north are soooooo lucky to be able to see Liz live...we here in FLORIDA are keping our fingers crossed...LIZ COME SEE US! For the person looking for Liz guitar tabs: http://btinternet/com./~gez.gtr/liz.html http://olga.net Its amazing to read peoples stories on here about how accessible Liz is to her fans. I mean just listening to her and seeing her on shows you can tell shes a real person and very nice. But to be able to walk up and talk to her, hang at a party, have your picture taken with her or get an autograph is great. Try doing that with just about any other musician/celeb and you will prob end up laid out by their bodyguards. Oh one more want....anyone know is there a scan of the inside b&w picture of wcse? The one where she is wrapped in that blanket and standing where you can't see her face? That is a stark picture, reminds me of Ansel Adams photography...I think it would make great wallpaper....for my puter not my house...but on the other hand...hmmmmmmmm :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:39:55 -0500 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: ben lee and trades Hey I just got the albim Grandpaw would and its really good ! jsut thought Id let you all know ALso I cannot take requests for any trades right now, I am swamped, so if I emailed you already, then we're cool, but please dont ask me to make any tapes if I havent already talked with you about it!! I will let you all know when I can start taping again! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/lizphair.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:24:00 -0400 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: Sessions, concerts, other reactions Wow, Laura, you're so lucky to have gotten the free tickets for Sessions at West 54th! Thanks so much from all of us for posting about it, and thanks also for telling Liz about the listserv! Wonder what exactly Nick did to their computer...? MrE, you had me howling with your open letter to Alanis... hope you're off crutches soon. Re: concerts - I won't bore everyone with a complete list of all the ones I've ever seen (c'mon, folks, that IS boring). Why don't we limit it to the FEW most fantastic, or most unusual, ones we've seen? Ergo, my SHORT list: First-ever concert (by a nationally-known band): Cheap Trick - when I was in high school, in a galaxy far, far away Best concert ever: Barenaked Ladies - at SUNY Geneseo, early 1995 Great concerts I've seen by bands I never listen to: Lynyrd Skynyrd/Kansas - last month! Charlie Daniels Band Brushes with musicians: The Kinks: shook hands with Ray Davies, touched Dave Davies' guitar Springsteen: he shook his head, I was sweated upon in the 3rd row Tom Petty & Mike Campbell: met them at the hotel I used to waitress at Fats Domino: delivered room service to him at aforementioned hotel OK, that's it. Thanks for listening! Cindy "Well look at me, I'm frightening my friends." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:48:20 -0400 From: Robert Cormack Subject: Live Liz Has anyone seen Liz play live? I did in Washington, DC. Does anyone else have the same impression? After a protracted wait (no opening act) Ms Phair appears onstage. She is well-dressed, well-coifed and beautiful. Really. Now here lies the contradiction. Her on-stage persona is very wholesome and sweet. She looks and talks like some sophomore sorority chick. Saying things like, "here's an old number" and "I hope you like this one." Who is that woman? Could this be the same person who writes and sings rough, pure, emotional diatribes with uncompromising sincerity and depth. One with a penetrating voice that moves all that listen. No. The woman on-stage was coy and unassuming who seemed almost embarrassed phrasing lyrics spiced with four-letter words. She sung "Flower" perfectly. But it it didn't fit. It was very disconcerting. I really expect an ultra-cool woman who went to the school of hard knocks. She's the girl next door. I wanted the Girlysound Liz Phair who sings "I know its not easy" and "One less thing" not sugar and spice. I am still confused. Who was that woman? Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:07:28 -0700 From: David Weich Subject: Last Rock Star Book I've noticed a couple references to the new novel that's largely about Liz, and I work for an Internet bookstore, so I thought I'd let you all know that we have it in stock. It's $14.95. Unfortunately, since the book is so new, we don't have any used copies yet, but we buy about 3,500 used books a day so I'm sure we'll get some in eventually. (In case you're interested, Powell's is an Independent store in Portland, Oregon. We have something like 1.5 million books, probably about 1/3 are used. Liz is duly represented with some whip-smart cover art above my desk and an occasional reference hidden somewhere in the text of the web site.) The book's called "The Last Rock Star Book, Or: Liz Phair, a Rant" and the author's name is Camden Joy. I haven't read it yet, but the blurbs are fairly impressive. And hey, it was published by a small press here in Portland called "Verse Chorus Verse." If you'd like more information, let me know (by post or email). I'll probably read some of it this weekend. Also, does anyone know if there's a connection between the song "Alice Springs" and the photographer of the same name? In the October 5th issue of The New Yorker, there's a picture of Placido Domingo by someone named "Alice Springs." (page 77) Dave http://www.powells.com ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 98 18:09:49 EDT From: Sarah.David@washcoll.edu (Sarah David) Subject: anotha list I've only been to three concerts, because I'm pathetic: the WHFS Nutcracker (to see the Cure!) Kill Quota/Jets to Brazil/Burning Airlines Liz Phair I'm hoping to see Belle and Sebastian and the Afghan Whigs soon. Any other Whigs' fans on the list? Just wonderin, Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:52:37 EDT From: TaliaK@aol.com Subject: Ben Lee, Liz on the Radio I'm on both this list and the Ben Lee list and it's amazing how often they're mentioned on eachother's lists. They are actually a lot alike, they both write great lyrics. How many people on the list are fans of Ben? As to Liz on the radio, I live in washington and i've only heard one liz song on the radio ever (on 107.7 in seattle) and that was Supernova about a year and a half ago at about 2 am. When she came to seattle they talked about her coming and everything, but did they play her music? no, not once that i heard. i think if i radio station is going to advertise the show they should at least play the music a few times, otherwise how are most of the people (the people who aren't already fans) going to know what the hell they're talking about? Robin TaliaK@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 17:10:26 -0700 From: "Heather Coleman" Subject: thanks hey listmembers, thanks for the artist and album suggestions. I got Juliana Hatfield's "Bed" and I can't seem to get enough of it. when I started reading all the descriptions of the concert crowds and it seemed like some of them were really wild, I was a little envious, because the Portland crowd was so... subdued. I mean, we called her back on stage and all, but everyone could have cheered a lot more loudly. However, I'm glad there were no seats and a VIP section would be a weird concept here. Liz said, "What a great club!," which is kind of funny, because a lot of people, including some listmembers who wrote in, can't stand it. The barrette quip from that newspaper was hilarious. I'd probably forget my barrette too. At the Portland show, she had trouble getting it out of her hair, and didn't throw it into the crowd. Maybe she was saving it for the Seattle show. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:35:18 -0500 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: some questions for those oh so knowledgeable ones Hey I have a few questions for those other webmasters out there: 1. I put frames in my liz site and now when you click on a link to the matador page or something it is viewed in my frames. How do I make this not so? 2. I have registered my sites with Yahoo twice and heard nothing. Has this happened to anyone else? How long do you think it will take? I appreciate any help!! Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jenny I wanna be cool, tall, vulnerable, and luscious http://www.saylerfamily.com/jas/lizphair.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:03:19 -0700 From: jtconnolly Subject: Roseland rocked, no Columbus blows, blah, blah, blah [WARNING: very long, random, meaningless, bored-on-a-Friday-night post follows. I've broken it down into categories, at least!] LIZ's NYC SHOW Roseland last week was incredible, I loved it. I was going absolutely crazy...dancing and singing, and most people around us were just standing there. I looked for some of you, but couldn't detect anyone who would be a support-systemer (didn't really have much to go on, either! the pavement guy's post last week about internet dorks at the Liz show he saw scared me off a bit, too: I wouldn't want to have to admit that I'm in that sect!). I was in a 70's, yellow tux jacket--looking pretty fly, i must say-- and I was getting launched about 5 feet in the air by my friends during some of the more rocking songs (sorry if it screwed you and your enjoyment of the show up, but we had a good time). The whole show rocked... "mesmerizing" was just incredible, and "flower" was neatly done, also. I loved "support system", perhaps my favorite Liz song, and ALL of the new stuff. Those of you who cried, I can't say that I did, but I can easliy see how it would be possible. I thought she looked great (the band looked cool, too), sounded great, "performed" great...there is just no one in the music business today like Liz Phair...lots of other good shit out there, but Liz is in a league of her own and this concert proved it. NO COLUMBUS: WHAT THE FUCK?? I liked Roseland so much that I determined I'd try to go to Columbus, Ohio, a good 12+ hr trip from CT, but Liz's next nearest concert. I wanted to do the "get there early, get front row and just stare and absorb it all" concert routine, as oppposed to my Roseland party-type concert viewing. I finally am granted the day off from work, I go to order tix, and the show is post-poned...Totally pissed. If she re-schedules for mid-week, I'm fucked... I won't be able to go. If any one hears anything else about this show, please let us know. I am currently super-bummed about this. I was like a monkee on crack before Roseland and the prospect of seeing her again in Ohio turned me into just the giddiest little school girl (even though I'm a guy). This so royally sucks that the show is post-poned. boo-hiss, whaaaa whaaaaa THANK YOU, PART 1 All of the info people have been giving on this digest about new tracks and rare recordings is awesome and I totally appreciate it...those of you who have the time to do research and can find out something new is available, and then share it with us, I love you! you are my heroes. "erecting a movie star" is awesome! (isn't everything, though, that Liz does awesome!?) Very much looking forward to getting PB single. I BLEW IT...MAJOR-LIKE I can't believe this "sessions" thing just happened yesterday...it crept up on me. I was trying to keep up with the posts to see what it was all about (i had never heard of "sessions" before), but failed miserably. The fact that she played again in NYC, in what seems like an "unplugged" type setting, and I could have been there--but MISSED IT--makes me want to just about drown myself in the nearest puddle...how very, very disappointing. THANK YOU, PART 2 Jenny Sayler, Jeffrey Larson, and Derek Dermich--THANK YOU all for hooking me up with awesome Liz stuff...what ever you gave me, I'm digging it hardcore right now and want to thank you formally in front of all of these other people I don't know. "GETTING PEOPLE YOU KNOW INTO LIZ" DISCUSSION A couple of people I know are actually getting into Liz...my sister-in-law, of all people, loves the new album. She heard the tape I made for my bro. in his car and actually left it on and listened to it! (A first!! she normally just turns on NPR or turns the radio off!) My bro, in the meantime, is just fascinated with the lyrics of the new album, and is always asking "what does she mean?" I, of course, tell him that I basically have no idea, and that it can mean whatever he wants it to mean because Liz herself said she's not sure of the meanings to her songs, if there even is any!! Also, I brought "phairities" into my girlfriend's car to play, and she liked it a lot...her first Liz purchase, last week, was Whip-Smart. I'm sure she'll be addicted soon. THE GREAT "LIZ ON RADIO" DEBATE As far as getting/hearing Liz on radio goes, we should be (I guess I should say "I am...") grateful that she's not part of the big pile of crap that is radio today as we know it. Liz is so veryveryvery much more musically-adept, intricate, involved, beautiful, heady, clever, fun, and (in general) awesome than any of the shit that gets played on the radio that it's fine with me if I never hear her on the radio...I think I would puke if I heard Liz mixed in with most of the shit currently played on the radio. SIGN OFF I'll end your sufferring now and go-- (I, for one, hate seeing these long posts when they come in, but oh well! sorry.) I'm an X-ray man, FRAN "airport biographies are usually true" "some pot of gold...it's just a carpeting store on opening day!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 23:34:28 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Matador catalog Geez! I've noticed that I've been climbing the walls lately with my posts! I've been in a good mood because something good happens to me every single day. So the good thing that happened to me was I came home after a slow boring day at work and what do I find waiting for me on my dresser? A catalog from Matador records! eeeeek! I rushed to open it and out slips a bumper sticker of Liz Phair! There's also bumper stickers of other artists, but I wonder why Liz was put on the top? hmmmmm. Anyways, about the catalog, it basically lists what cds they have for sale, all for $13. I'm quite happy to know that I can get the Kids in the Hall and Amateur soundtracks from there. I also checked the t shirts sections and there wasn't any of Liz. =( I'm thinking of going back to my recipe and change all of the measurements to the metric system, so that our dear friends Europe can get the chance to enjoy them. It will be a while because the books I have are all outdated and weren't any helpful and I'll ask my teachers when I get back to school on Monday. Great, go back to school, after having what was practically Liz fest during my fall break! Speaking of good day, I just had to laugh at myself today when I heard Headache for some reason! "I'm a psychosomatic sister running around without a leash." The exact feeling I had! Me was going nutso today with my good moods and there were no limits! woo hoo! Katie ():D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:12:32 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: 120 Minutes Boy, am I bored! Something just sparked in my head. 120 Minutes, Sunday, October 18. Somebody special! Katie ();) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:21:27 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Boy am I really bored! Geez! Sorry for being so contagious! I like surfing around and I stumbled upon this: http://www.mtv.com/news/headlines/981016/story5.html I still have no idea what the story is with the Sessions thingy. I guess I don't get it, I've checked my listings and all. gee....look harder Katie! DOINK! Katie ();) ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #46 ***********************************