From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #37 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Thursday, October 8 1998 Volume 01 : Number 037 Today's Subjects: ----------------- matador catalog [Oh4sythia@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V1 #36 [Imjustduck@aol.com] liz crowd and other ramblings [LULU428@aol.com] not-so- intellectual videos [Kaufmann@IPFW.EDU (Kaufmann,Mike)] heading back to crater lake ["Chris DeLisle" ] liz rantings ["Stacey Wirt" ] Concerts....... [AngelLieb@aol.com] intro and the nyc show [caroline bonnivier ] An itty bitty message ["Cynthia Nagle" ] pj [Ronald Dodge ] Quick reminder... [Jason Long ] no,no,no... [Ronald Dodge ] first, the lists... [george2@sas.upenn.edu (matt george)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:54:51 EDT From: Oh4sythia@aol.com Subject: matador catalog Hey - I asked the matador people about the catalog they're now offering, and they said: >>You can get one from our mailorder dept. Send your street address to >>kenb@matador.recs.com and he'll hook you up. So go for it, my fellow phair-a-philes... Leslie Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:56:47 EDT From: Imjustduck@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #36 well I had to finially post... I have to tell you about the ost imprttant evening of my life. okay it may sound cheesey but you have got to understand that Liz is the only person or thing that I have ever been interested in. I mean like fanaticl about. well my Dear friend Sarah said Liz is playing the 9:30 club on the 5th you need to get tickets and I will pay you back I said Okay. well stupid me I thought that I was the on;y other person on the eastern sea board that had heard of her so I was like I got plenty of time. well when I called Ticket Master they where sold out. Sarah sent me nasty Emails asking if I had gotten them well I bit the big one and told her no. Well She saved the day by responding to some chick that said whoever responds first can have them . so It was set. Well being the paranoid fans that Sarah and I are we left her house way to early. we got to the club at 6:30 and when we walked to the door we could hear the sweet sounds of Liz resounding from the building. that sent me into shock as little tingles ran up and down my spine. Well we waited and waited till the doors opened and we rushed in and got our spots right at the baracade well we waited some more getting bored and the only thing to keep us happy was the tought that Liz was less that fifty feet from us. well the slide show started and everyone cheered. While listening to the music selction the slide show I could hear where Liz gets her sound. Well she started playing don't ask me what cause I was in shock to see her she is so beautiful . I was flabergasted. I stood there shacking from excitment. now its all getting blury. She sang her heart out. and she seamed to devlope a good raport with the crowd. She had on the coolest dress it was red velvet and it looked as if it had been worn away at the knees. I couldn't tell if it was a designer dress or a trift store find. well She seemed to glow. her skin was glistening with sweat. oh yeah she didn't have any pit hair like icky paula cole. she had these little black shoes that seemed to hurt her feet I think it was the four inch heels on them that didit. I was also shocked by how tiny she was. all I can say is I wish that she would have pulled some of her old stuff out. like the girly sounds uno y dos. well if you read this you will see that there isn't any thing very important to it other than me sharing not so well the wonderful effect Liz had on me. Oh yeah her band was pretty good as well. Josh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:06:14 EDT From: LULU428@aol.com Subject: liz crowd and other ramblings I don't know if anyone else is having this problem, but sometimes when these digests download and I try to open them up, there is nothing there. It's really annoying that the whole digest can't just go into my email. Is there any way that this can happen? I am definitly missing #33 and I am not sure what else. I don't know, anyway, I am dying to hear about the boston show, someone is taping it for me tonight, (hopefully) but I really can't contain myself. I can't wait until Thurday. >as well as my 50 yr old gay aunt> This is the line of the digest. Absolutely no offense meant, it's just that the wording kills me. what kills you about the wording of this? (I am not being defensive, I swear, I am just curious) I wrote this and I know its no big deal that she's gay, I could care less, I just think it's funny cause she just loves intelligent, strong, sexy woman so I knew she would love to see liz. She's been a hardcore feminist since the 70's. When i told her that her original recordings were called girlysounds, she really became interested. She has EIG and WS but never got totally into them like all of us. she's a photographer, lives in the village, and since the 70's has been photographing woman rock stars like Debbie Harry, as well as woman bodybuilders, writers, drag queens, lesbians, and has traveled through the mountains of the Phillipines doing photo essays on the rebels - just really interesting stuff. I'm sure you could all care less, I just wanted to add background to the statement --- -my 50 yr old gay aunt- I think it stemmed from a conversation I had about liz fans with a friend of mine who really likes her but is not obsessed as I. I was telling her the ages and backgrounds of her fans on this list- we both found it interesting how diverse it is. I am used to going to phish shows where everyone could be a clone of each other. (My friends and I don't really fit the mold too much) We were both curious as to the crowd at one of her shows. She had gone to see Tori and couldn't believe all the teenage girls. It seems like I still like some of the same bands I've liked since I was a teenager, (I'm 27) so while I keep getting older and going to shows, the fans keep getting younger and younger to me. I really find myself not able to go to really huge concerts anymore- besides the young, drunk crowd (I don't mean to generalize b/c not all young people at shows get drunk, but have any of you been to a Dave Matthews band show lately?) its not very personal. I will keep going to see phish shows as long as I ignore the scene and concentrate on how much I love the music. I am kind of happy that liz plays smaller venues - it is so much more accessible. I saw Ani at Great Woods and that seemed too large- way too large for her. If I didn't have such great seats I would have hated it. Sorry about my tangent, I am not sure how it happened. So if any of you go to see liz at Roseland on Thurs. you'll see me with my 3 friends (all 27) and my 50 yr old gay aunt. Lani ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:31:11 -0500 From: Kaufmann@IPFW.EDU (Kaufmann,Mike) Subject: not-so- intellectual videos I'm afraid the same is true of my impression of the Liz videos that I've seen so far as well--which admittedly isn't very many. Actually, only Supernova, and part of Polyester. I have a feeling Liz wanted to translate her "lo-fi" approach to her videos, but it doesn't quite go over as well without the same expertise she can bring to her music. I think she'd do well to get a cool director and see what they could come up with together. Derek wrote: >What I was talking about was the VIDEOS. I am of the opinion that her videos are not nearly as creative or thoughtful as her music. They remind me very much of what a lot of novice filmmakers do: Most of them have lots of imagery that doesn't have anything to do with the song (at least not in any way that I can decipher). They're just disconnected images that someone thought were "cool." I'm thinking of "Jealousy," "Stratford-On-Guy," "Whip-Smart" and others. Some of them are truly as awful as the junk that started showing up in the early '80s, when suddenly everyone had to have a video. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:26:17 -0400 From: "Chris DeLisle" Subject: heading back to crater lake hey everyone, Been listening to Whip-Smart album quite a bit in last week or two, and for those who don't think it's all that...it's a lot better than I remember. Especially "Crater Lake." Can anyone help me: where the song speeds up (before the minute mark), the bass line reminds me of some song that I can't place. Is it from the 70's? The 80's? It actually reminds me of some of Paul McCartney's bass lines on "Sgt. Pepper," one of the best "bass" albums of all time, and certainly of the 60's. But there seems to be another particular song. Anyone? Or am I just digging a little too deep... I think I'll take another day off from the Exile On Main Street comparison. I haven't quite recovered from the mind meld the other day. Chuck October 19th -- woo-hoo! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 98 22:16:09 From: "Stacey Wirt" Subject: liz rantings hey all! 1.did anyone at the 9:30 club show happen to write down liz's comments between songs? Someone else did this a while back for a different show and I was wonderin' if anybody took notes during the DC show. 2. Katie- You read my mind with your list of possible liz appearences.... especially the one about FANatic on MTV. We should all send in tapes and see what happens. I dare ya. 3. About liz on the Rosie show - usually when Rosie has a musical guest she/he plays more than one song and there's always some sort of interview. So hopefully liz will play some others besides PB, but we'll see. 4. Finally, a tiny side note for any one who cares : whoever the lead singer is for the goo goo dolls (sorry, I'm not a big fan), he bought WCSE (like Alannis) because he was talking about it on some local radio interview. That's all for now.... Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:50:37 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Concerts....... <> I love this! LOL Well, with reading all of the posts about reviews for Liz's concerts, it just makes me crave for a chance to go see her. I know yelling, screaming and throwing a tantrum isn't gonna help either. Need not worry, I know she'll come down to the sunny state of Florida sometime! Believe me, I've already missed some one last year and she's coming back at the end of this month. So......I guess there's a possibility I could drag my mother to take me to the extra Chicago show or what? hmmmmmm I guess I'll fly off for now and my next post will pop up a new question that I hope will be really interesting. Katie ():) every hollow has its favorite clown ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 11:11:59 -0400 From: caroline bonnivier Subject: intro and the nyc show ok im a lameass and i know it. although ive heard her name around for a couple of years now, i just discovered her for myself with the latest polyester bride phenomenon. and now i cant get enough. so i just moved to nyc a little over a month ago and yesterday my boyfriend suprised me with tickets to tomorrow nights show at the roseland. im psyched. im so so so psyched. tonight we went to rent, tomorrow night liz phair. one hell of a birthday week. im wondering what she is like live. i cant wait to see her. sidenote to scott from williams college...i grew up and went to high school in williamstown. lived there until i graduated in 1990. how odd. anyway...just wanted to do a quick intro thing. fav liz song, right this second anyway, is uncle alvarez. dont ask me why. peace and stuff to everyone caroline http://www.guppy22.com/~caroline np: the nields "play" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:58:31 -0400 From: "Cynthia Nagle" Subject: An itty bitty message Hey all - I just have to post a *short* (for once) message as a public thank-you to Chuck, for the Girlysounds/Juvenalia/Pottymouth tapes. WOW!!! I've been listening to them for the last 2 days, and they've opened up a whole new Liz world for me! It's great hearing the earlier versions of some of my favorites, plus the other rare songs that so many of you have mentioned on this list. Now I'm an even more diehard Liz fan! Listening to Liz and reading/responding to this list are starting to become an obsession with me... you all are the best! Keep the great thoughts coming! Cindy "Well look at me, I'm frightening my friends." LP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 20:56:54 -0700 From: Ronald Dodge Subject: pj since someone mentioned courtney in the last issue, i'm gonna segue with it on this one...does anyone remember ms. love being asked what she was going to do with her visual image now that she had 'gone hollywood'? well, she replied that she would be leaving the visuals to p j harvey. i only bring this up because, it may just be me, but has anyone noticed the striking resemblance of p j to the pre plastic courtney on the cover of p j's new disc? just a thought...stray, malignant and sterile but just a thought. peace MrE ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ...everything you ever wanted, everything you ever thought of... ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:23:14 -0400 From: Jason Long Subject: Quick reminder... Hey everyone, I just wanted to send a quick reminder that Liz will be appearing on the Rosie O'Donnell show on Friday -- don't forget to set your VCRs! Jase ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 21:27:26 -0700 From: Ronald Dodge Subject: no,no,no... and no, boys and girls, i was not slamming courtney and certainly not p j. nothing against a little hole or sleeping in my pj's... seriously maybe, i did have occasion to meet ms.love a few weeks after the release of live thru this. she was sans makeup and could have at the time posed for the cover of pj's latest... peace MrE ||||||||||||||||||||| everytime... ||||||||||||||||||||| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:01:01 -0400 (EDT) From: george2@sas.upenn.edu (matt george) Subject: first, the lists... okay, since i don't think i've really been pulling my weight and contributing to the list as much as i thought i should put together my own little lists... Favorite Song - ------------- God, like jase said it changes practically everyday, but here goes the list at the moment (not including girlysound songs) 11. Uncle Alvarez 10. Shitloads Of Money 9. Help Me Mary 8. Stratford-On-Guy 7. Headache 6. Support System 5. Never Said 4. Divorce Song 3. Supernova 2. 6'1" 1. Strange Loop Favorite Moments - ---------------- (again not including girlysound) 11. the opening chords of 6'1" 10. the "yes, i'm careening down" and "broadcasting myself" backing vocals at the end of big tall man 9. "lex...or superman" in animal girl 8. all that spanish babbling or whatever at the end of shane 7. liz's voice kinda trailing off in the middle of headache when she says "rolling through my..." 6. how like everything in divorce song kinds of builds up to the word "fuck"...to me it's not only the climax of the song, but the climax of exile in guyville as well. 5. the "talking" gutiar riff in supernova 4. the very beginning of stratford on guy and that real whistling by your ear kind of guitar sound along with the drums that sounds SOOOOO cool 3. "you've got time" in polyester bride 2. the one lone drumbeat in help me mary that is SOOOO perfectly placed like a second after she says "for that..." 1. the crashing guitar solo at the end of strange loop...for my money the best closing to an album EVER, even more than the famed creshendo and chord of "a day in the life". um, that's about it for now...if there were some other lists that were discussed on the list and i never got around to, i guess i'll catch up to them later :) anyways, see ya... matt http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~george2/music/liz ------------------------------ End of support-system-digest V1 #37 ***********************************