From: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org (support-system-digest) To: support-system-digest@smoe.org Subject: support-system-digest V1 #13 Reply-To: support-system@smoe.org Sender: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-support-system-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk support-system-digest Monday, September 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 013 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Jealousy? [AngelLieb@aol.com] Age Poll [PhishenGal@aol.com] Liz on an "Influences" clip and Marilyn Manson [Dermich@aol.com] (no subject) [johnmcook ] tix for DC show [Srstato@aol.com] tour idea ["Jeffrey W. Dorion" ] Flower Sucks! [DirkDuckie@aol.com] shirts ["Jennifer Sayler" ] Liz ["Jennifer Sayler" ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #8 ["Bob ?" ] Re: support-system-digest V1 #12 [SpArkAnGuL@aol.com] Re: support-system-digest V1 #12 [Kaufmann@IPFW.EDU (Kaufmann,Mike)] Re: Age [JennynJupy@aol.com] Time Travel/Liz Tickets [Dan ] attitude ["Heather Coleman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 01:46:56 EDT From: AngelLieb@aol.com Subject: Jealousy? <> Which song are you referring to? If it's White Chocolate Space Egg, I personally think the song is a lullabye to her son. I know this sounds a little bit off, but the more I listen to it, the more the song grows on me. The part I love, "Once I felt you, I couldn't lay you down." Every time I hear this part, I see Liz holding Nick in her arms, not wanting to let him go. Now, I've had this question lost in my brain somewhere and was able to retrieve it. The Q: What is the difference with the song Jealousy on Whip-Smart and Juvenilia? I listen to both versions and can't tell any difference! Katie ():) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 01:54:35 EDT From: PhishenGal@aol.com Subject: Age Poll Well, I'm 17 and have been listening to Liz for 4 years (i bought exile in january 94), and i don't know anyone else my age here who has been listening to her for as long as i have. I wish there were some Liz Phair dates in the South...the closest one is DC, which suz becauze I live in Florida...does anyone know? jacqui ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 01:54:11 EDT From: Dermich@aol.com Subject: Liz on an "Influences" clip and Marilyn Manson First off, has anyone else seen Liz on one of those MTV "Influences" things in between videos? I don't even remember whom she names as influential to her music, but it was weird to see her. Ani DiFranco is in the same one, too, which is cool for me (even though I'm somewhat chagrined to see Ani on MTV). Also, at the risk of incurring the wrath I brought down on myself on the Guyville list (second only to the wrath I brought down there when I commented that Liz has lots of gay male fans): Has anyone else noticed what Liz has in common with Marilyn Manson? Both had their new albums mixed (except 2 songs in Liz's case) by Tom Lord-Alge. Just an interesting, bizarre tidbit. (Although, Liz has said in the past that Nine Inch Nails' The Downward Spiral is one of her favorite albums...) Let the screaming at me begin! : ) Derek ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:09:53 -0500 From: johnmcook Subject: (no subject) hey all..... i'm amazed at the age span...i'm 37, i picked up "exile" in '94 on the strength of a review in the Rocket...(i live in vancouver, wa..) i'm attending the Portland, OR show this Sunday...the venue sucks, (la luna, for those familiar with ptld) but i'm really looking forward to it, as i've never seen her live...should be fabulous!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 03:25:18 EDT From: Srstato@aol.com Subject: tix for DC show I am trying to sell my 2 extra tix to the Wash DC show (9:30 club) at face value (plus ticketmaster charge). Email me privately if interested. Steven Reed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 01:33:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeffrey W. Dorion" Subject: tour idea Hey everybody. I was thinking about how I was kind of disappointed how rarely somebody posted a complete Liz setlist during Lilith Fair and how I don't want this to happen again for the solo tour. Do you think it would be possible if somebody going to each show could assign themselves to write down the setlist during her show and post it the following day to the list? I've done this for a Tori Amos site that is obsessed with setlists (I Sharpied the hell out of my arm with song titles!). I would LOVE to know the setlist for each of Liz's shows. Whether people going to other shows want to write the setlist down or not, I hereby elect myself to cover the Seattle show. Thoughts? By the way, I finished my last day at my summer job on Friday. To say goodbye, my coworkers decorated my cubicle with about 10 photocopies of the WCSE cover. However, they made Liz look like a clown with colored highlighters and wrote her name as "Lez Pear". Isn't that odd, yet remarkably touching?!?!? By the way, I'm 19, feel older, and look younger. - -Jeff ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ "Sticks and stones can break my bones And the boys can make me kick and moan But when I want it autodrive I get a ride From you." -Liz Phair ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 08:57:50 EDT From: DirkDuckie@aol.com Subject: Flower Sucks! Okay.. I hardly ever post on this list.. but it is really annoying me all the people that like "Flower". It is one of her worst songs. The fact that she says "I want to be your blow job queen" was amusing the first twenty times you hear it, but the song loses it's charm after a couple of listens. The only song I like less than "Flower", I think is.. well.. I don't know. I do love all her songs.. but "Flower" is the song that everybody knows her for. It is nothing like any of her other stuff. Although I am looking forward to see if she's going to sing it a capella at 9:30 Club. I would enjoy that... and I really hope she plays "Shitloads of Money" more like the original "Combo Platter". That "M-O-N-E-Y" thing at the end annoys me. I love the rest of it.. But this is all still relatively speaking. I would rather listen to "flower" and the end of "shitloads of money" a million times before I hear another third eye blind song. Derek ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:47:30 -0400 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: shirts According to my friend Jill who went to the Austin show, the teeshirts are the same ones from LIlith, the tank top and the white tee for WCSE. I dont know what Liz os tihnking because both these shirts are girl shirts. Sorry Guys! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 09:54:39 -0400 From: "Jennifer Sayler" Subject: Liz A lot of people are saying what turned them on to Liz or what they like about her, so I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. The first Liz song I heard was Fuck and Run. I heard the line "Fuck and Run, Even when I was 12" I liked this line a lot because it is a little absurd (hopefully) but anyone who would say that they had one night stands at 12 is okay in my book. However, as much as I like her lyrics, what really gets me is her voice. It is so awesome it mesmerizes me. I had a friend who I tried to turn on to Liz, but she never liked her because of her voice, which blows my mind. Oh well, she will never know the happiness that is Liz's music. jenny ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 11:05:26 PDT From: "Bob ?" Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #8 Robin said : << Who was it that thinks the majority of Liz Phair fans are under 21? Please can we take a poll, I am feeling like quite an outcast if that is the case. >> hmm... i'm 16 now, but i've been listening to liz phair since i was 12. most people my age though have never even heard of her. i would say most people that listen to her are over 21. margaret ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 16:15:38 EDT From: SpArkAnGuL@aol.com Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #12 In a message dated 9/20/98 1:17:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-support- system-digest@smoe.org writes: << >> You know what other band kicks ass?? Hole i just thought id tell you because its my opinion that Liz Phair sounds quite a bit like courtney love. ~ally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:54:18 -0500 From: Kaufmann@IPFW.EDU (Kaufmann,Mike) Subject: Re: support-system-digest V1 #12 To a certain extent, I'm overstating Liz's difference from some of the characters in Exile. I guess I'm more thinking of the popular image that came through of someone who had a femmefatalish power over men. Liz no doubt does feel that at times, but basically feels more like the singer in "Perfect World," wanting to be "cool, tall, vulnerable and luscious." Actually, it's not only WCSE that shows it either since in "Chopsticks" she also admits to being "secretly timid" and in Exile sings of wanting to be "mesmerizing too," suggesting she doesn't feel she is exactly, at least not to the ones she wants to mesmerize. I'm not saying Liz has no connection or qualities of these characters, just that on the whole she feels more on the outside looking in, wanting to be them, while many in the stands assume she already is. The Dance of the Seven Veils itself I'd say is just that sort of mesmerizing power, able to command a life (as Salome did with John the Baptist) for its price. What the "business" the singer wants Johnny to get out of is, I've had varying views of. Initially, I always thought Johnny was some drug dealer type, since he's threatened with getting "roughed up so badly." Or may be trying to break into the music biz himself, since Liz was earlier seen as a guyville groupie. But I think it's more the "business" of seducing genuine young women like the singer, who buy his lines and find out later their true cost. In other words, Johnny's the one with the mesmerizing power she covets, and want to take her revenge on him by the same means. As to the name Johnny that keeps cropping up, it is a generic term for guys, but somehow I assume there was some guy called Johnny who's being referred to, though there may have been other "johnnies" after the first one. Mike > >Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:39:33 -0700 >From: "Heather Coleman" >Subject: response to post about Dance of Seven Veils > In other words, the singer in Seven Veils envies such >Salome-like entertainers, but feels she's closer to the less appealing >pilgrim thing she knows all too well. Despite the Pilgrims well-known >transportation, it's these entertainers who bring may flowers (i.e., get >all the guys and glory). Consequently, the song is the singer's dream of >what it would be like to have this hypnotic appeal and power to revenge >herself on a lover who has spurned her for these entertainers.> > >Response: This is a really thoughtful, interesting take. But why do you think WCSE shows Liz is not much like the characters she sings about? Why such a division between a violent thought or statement and violent action? What's really important is that the violent thought is expressed, something that is unusual for women to be able to do. > >Questions for the general mailing list public: What does the song title refer to? What do people think "get out of the business" means? > >------------------------------ > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:17:27 EDT From: JennynJupy@aol.com Subject: Re: Age >Who was it that thinks the majority of Liz Phair fans >are under 21? Please can we take a poll, I am feeling >like quite an outcast if that is the case. Please, a >poll would make me feel better. Thanks, Robin. i'm 17 now and i've been a huge liz fan ever since i was 13. - --Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 22:21:54 -0400 From: Dan Subject: Time Travel/Liz Tickets >Does anybody have any bootlegs or video from Liz's upcoming Fall 1998 >concerts ? Umm...nope, no Fall 1998 shows, but I have a really cool bootlegged video of her year 2001 performance down at Times Square...email me if yer interested. WOOO HOOOO! Got my Liz Michigan tickets on Saturday, I was there in line right away before they opened and shocked to see a rather large line up already! I soon found out that I was the only one purchasing Liz tickets, and the others were all waiting for Depeche Mode...I got a bit scared for a second though, it was like I was in a dream...I was staring at the line thinking.."What???!! There are *THIS* many hardcore Liz fans in Windsor who are actually waiting outside an hour before the box office opens!!????" Deep down, I knew there was no way, and sure enough - there wasn't. ALso - Jason, thank you very much for hooking me up in Toronto - I honestly believe you may be The Second Coming. Either way, yer my Liz Phair God! - Amen and thank you, Jason Long! :) Beginning to see the light, Dan. **************************************************** "Let's buy a car with cash and crash it." -Juliana Hatfield. **************************************************** "Crash and burn, all the stars explode tonight." -Hole. **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:37:24 -0700 From: "Heather Coleman" Subject: attitude What kind of thoughts? Sexual thoughts? Deep thoughts? Violent thoughts? Complicated thoughts? Offbeat thoughts? It's scary that she was considered so novel.