From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V5 #59 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Thursday, March 27 2003 Volume 05 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- b/lies... ["Donald G. Keller" ] Re: b/lies... ["marty" ] Re: b/lies... [meredith ] What's Next For Giles? [meredith ] Re: What's Next For Giles? [Todd Huff ] Re: What's Next For Giles? [meredith ] Re: b/lies... ["marty" ] Re: b/lies... [Todd Huff ] Re: b/lies... ["marty" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 05:13:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: b/lies... Spoil, spoil, trouble and toil, fire burn and cauldron boil! (Not =exactly= Shakespeare, but a glib variation, anyway.) I was just beginning with a recommendation for the =Village Voice= article when the digest *ping*ed into my mailbox (yes, I'm up early), so never mind that now. But as I was going to say, anybody who desperately wants a paper copy (photo of Spike and Buffy from the episode), let me know =soon=, because I can get as many free copies as I can carry for the next week. Now. Apart from the (really very mild) disappointment of no Faith cameo at the end like the rumor had it (they had a stronger ending to use), this was an outstanding episode, I thought, from a single viewing (it's been a busy week). Oddities: Anya had one line. Kennedy and Rhona had a line each. Did Dawn (who was in the episode) have a line at all? (Except a squeak.) Was Xander in it at all? Well, they had a different story to tell. Kind of "Fool for Love, Part Two." Very interesting to see William and his mother, and a bit of the very young Wood and his mother. Nice cameo by Drusilla (whom I don't always like). Interesting that they had Fred's phonecall (with Andrew's only line); but they never did have Angelus' call to Dawn. Rather odd that Willow wouldn't tell Buffy where she was going or why, and that Buffy didn't press her. Show of hands for who thinks Buffy's line about "no time for vendettas" is going to come back to clobber her when Faith shows up? Best scene: Wood and Giles. Here's the interesting thing about that. I think Buffy was right: whether or not she was right about Spike (and she's been wrong about such things before), Giles did the wrong thing by dissembling with her and going behind her back to deal with Spike. Especially after he lectured the troops about "getting serious" and sticking to the task at hand. Buffy has every reason to be angry (and has she =ever= spoken to him like that before? As I said, a very strong ending). I'm not =sure= I buy that Spike is cured, or how he was cured, but I need to see the episode again. Three weeks of no =Buffy=, then a =Buffy=, then three weeks of no =Buffy=, then five =Buffy=s, then no more as we know it. (Which isn't quite an Ezra Pound poem.) Briefly, about "Orpheus" on =Angel=. I caught the rerun on Sunday, retaping just the last act. Cute final scene; as someone else pointed out, Gunn and Faith had a nice chemistry it would have been good to see more of. So that's the second time we've had a clear case of a shared dream (vision, in this case), both times by magic (the Bringers in "Amends" causing Buffy and Angel to share dreams was the other). Still not evidence that the "Graduation Day" dream was a shared dream between Buffy and Faith. More thoughts after I've had time to go over the trilogy again. The first of the three was the best, I think, but the third was very good also. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:15:14 -0800 From: "marty" Subject: Re: b/lies... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald G. Keller" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 2:13 AM Subject: b/lies... > I was just beginning with a recommendation for the =Village Voice= article > when the digest *ping*ed into my mailbox (yes, I'm up early), so never > mind that now. But as I was going to say, anybody who desperately wants a > paper copy (photo of Spike and Buffy from the episode), let me know =soon=, > because I can get as many free copies as I can carry for the next week. > Me, me! my e-mail is sf-marty@dm.net. Mail me and I will give you my address. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:39:39 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: b/lies... Hi, Don posted: >Spoil, > >spoil, > >trouble and > >toil, > >fire > >burn and > >cauldron > >boil! > >(Not =exactly= Shakespeare, but a glib variation, anyway.) > >Oddities: Anya had one line. Kennedy and Rhona had a line each. Did Dawn >(who was in the episode) have a line at all? (Except a squeak.) Yes. Down in the basement she had a line, but I don't remember what it was. Then later, when Willow was tending to her on the living room couch she said something about nothing being broken, to which Dawn replied something to the effect of, "Did you use a magic X-ray?" >Was Xander in it at all? For about three seconds. He's the one who chained Spike in the basement, saying something about "oh sure, *now* they work" (an obvious reference to his tryst with Anya last episode ). >Well, they had a different story to tell. Kind of "Fool for Love, Part >Two." Very interesting to see William and his mother, and a bit of the >very young Wood and his mother. Nice cameo by Drusilla (whom I don't >always like). I did an inward Snoopy dance when I saw Juliet Landau's name in the credits. I was disappointed to see her only in that one scene, though ... I *love* Dru, and I would've liked to have seen more of her. Oh well. It was indeed interesting to see William with his mother. I'm glad Spike finally realized that it had been the demon talking. Since William-the-newborn-vampire didn't seem quite so ruthless as Spike, I have to wonder if his mother's rebuff is what pushed him over the edge to become William The Bloody. (Not that (soulless) vampires are ever magnanimous, but he did seem much tamer in the scene with Dru.) >Interesting that they had Fred's phonecall (with Andrew's only line); but >they never did have Angelus' call to Dawn. Rather odd that Willow wouldn't >tell >Buffy where she was going or why, and that Buffy didn't press her. It occurred to me this morning that of *course* Willow wouldn't tell Buffy where she was going, or why. Surely she realized that if she had said "Hey Buffy, Angel's lost his soul again" Buffy would have been on the freeway before anyone could blink, and then where would that leave everyone else? Even if Buffy hadn't headed for L.A. with her, at the very least it would have been yet another distraction Buffy didn't have time to deal with. >Show of hands for who thinks Buffy's line about "no time for vendettas" is >going to come back to clobber her when Faith shows up? Oh yeah, I'm sure that one's gonna bite her in the ass; though I think it's going to have to wait in line behind her dissing of the First Watchers in the dream dimension. >Best scene: Wood and Giles. Here's the interesting thing about that. I >think Buffy was right: whether or not she was right about Spike (and she's >been wrong about such things before) ... another thing waiting in line, I fear ... >Giles did the wrong thing by >dissembling with her and going behind her back to deal with Spike. >Especially after he lectured the troops about "getting serious" and >sticking to the task at hand. Yes, definitely. That was very un-Giles-like. And quite Watchers-Council-like, when it comes right down to it. (Are we still absolutely sure that's really him?!) >Buffy has every reason to be angry (and has >she =ever= spoken to him like that before? As I said, a very strong >ending). No, she hasn't. She has certainly pushed back, but she's never slammed the door in his face before. >I'm not =sure= I buy that Spike is cured, or how he was cured, but I need >to see the episode again. I buy it. The brainworm-thingie was supposed to seek out the trigger, which it did -- the song. The First had obviously chosen the song because it knew that it was a deep-seated trauma for Spike, one that it could use to control him. Once Spike traced his memories back to the source of the song (his beloved mother) and was forced to deal with what had happened when he turned her into a vampire, the song no longer had any control over him because he no longer felt the trauma of the memory. >Three weeks of no =Buffy=, then a =Buffy=, then three weeks of no =Buffy=, >then five =Buffy=s, then no more as we know it. (Which isn't quite an Ezra >Pound poem.) Wait, that's six episodes (and not enough weeks until May). I would think there would be another three-week break, then the final batch of episodes all in a row. Or am I missing something? =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Vienna Teng, 3/29-30 =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:32:16 -0500 From: meredith Subject: What's Next For Giles? Hi, Interesting tidbit about the Giles series on BBC: http://aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=14813 =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Vienna Teng, 3/29-30 =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:27:57 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Huff Subject: Re: What's Next For Giles? - --- meredith wrote: > Hi, > > Interesting tidbit about the Giles series on BBC: > > http://aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=14813 > I guess this means he survives the season. ANGEL SPOILER spoil spoil spoil your boat Was there anybody who DIDN'T see the sting on tonight's Angel coming from a mile away? And whatever turned Cordy evil seems to have killed her fashion sense as well. . Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:34:54 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: What's Next For Giles? Hi, Todd commented: >I guess this means he survives the season. Does it? It could be set at any time, including that chunk of time between his leaving for the UK last season and coming back this year. =============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth =============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Vienna Teng, 3/29-30 =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:49:04 -0800 From: "marty" Subject: Re: b/lies... > Hi, > > Don posted: > > >Spoil, > > > >spoil, > > > >trouble and > > > >toil, > > > >fire > > > >burn and > > > >cauldron > > > >boil! > > > It was indeed interesting to see William with his mother. I'm glad Spike > finally realized that it had been the demon talking. Since > William-the-newborn-vampire didn't seem quite so ruthless as Spike, I have > to wonder if his mother's rebuff is what pushed him over the edge to become > William The Bloody. In one episode it was mentioned that William was called bloody because he wrote such bloody awful poetry. > >Show of hands for who thinks Buffy's line about "no time for vendettas" is > >going to come back to clobber her when Faith shows up? > Hand raised > >I'm not =sure= I buy that Spike is cured, or how he was cured, but I need > >to see the episode again. > > I buy it. The brainworm-thingie was supposed to seek out the trigger, > which it did -- the song. The First had obviously chosen the song because > it knew that it was a deep-seated trauma for Spike, one that it could use > to control him. Once Spike traced his memories back to the source of the > song (his beloved mother) and was forced to deal with what had happened > when he turned her into a vampire, the song no longer had any control over > him because he no longer felt the trauma of the memory. Dianetics!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:39:04 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Huff Subject: Re: b/lies... - --- marty wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Don posted: > > > > >Spoil, > > > > > >spoil, > > > > > >trouble and > > > > > >toil, > > > > > >fire > > > > > >burn and > > > > > >cauldron > > > > > >boil! > > Dianetics!!! I am so very glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that. Keyboards are a pain to clean. . Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:48:49 -0800 From: "marty" Subject: Re: b/lies... heh heh heh > > > > > > Don posted: > > > > > > >Spoil, > > > > > > > >spoil, > > > > > > > >trouble and > > > > > > > >toil, > > > > > > > >fire > > > > > > > >burn and > > > > > > > >cauldron > > > > > > > >boil! > > > > > > Dianetics!!! > > > I am so very glad I wasn't drinking anything when I > read that. Keyboards are a pain to clean. > > . > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V5 #59 ****************************