From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V4 #179 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Wednesday, December 18 2002 Volume 04 : Number 179 Today's Subjects: ----------------- b/Bring on the Night [Todd Huff ] Re: b/Bring on the Night ["marty" ] Re: b/Bring on the Night [meredith ] Re: b/Bring on the Night [Todd Huff ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:36:42 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Huff Subject: b/Bring on the Night (spoilers) Did this episode seem disjointed to anybody else? From Annabelle running off to the fights there seemed to be some important stuff missing. At the end, when Buffy was sitting in the dark listening to her friends talk about how badly she'd been hurt, the subtitles were completly different than what was being said. I'm too confused to wonder what was what, will have to watch the tape. The slayerettes were interesting. Kennedy was as gung ho as Faith, Molly was as cautious and respectful as Kendra, and Annabelle just plain panicked. I haven't seen the movie since it came out. Was Buffy like that at first? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:49:50 -0800 From: "marty" Subject: Re: b/Bring on the Night - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Huff" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: b/Bring on the Night > (spoilers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did this episode seem disjointed to anybody else? From > Annabelle running off to the fights there seemed to be > some important stuff missing. Is that really Giles??? He didn't touch anyone, not did 'drucilla'. Have any of the "first" manifistations touched anyone? > At the end, when Buffy was sitting in the dark > listening to her friends talk about how badly she'd > been hurt, the subtitles were completly different than > what was being said. I'm too confused to wonder what > was what, will have to watch the tape. What subtitles? Will watch the tape again as well. We were having a Buffy party. Difficult to hear sometimes. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 01:08:13 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: b/Bring on the Night Hi, Well, once again we get a doozy of an episode plopped in the middle of a sea of reruns. Joss @ co. are truly evil. Todd posted: >(spoilers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Did this episode seem disjointed to anybody else? From >Annabelle running off to the fights there seemed to be >some important stuff missing. The whole thing just seemed *off* ... and I can't shake the impression that it was supposed to be that way, but maybe I'm just grasping at straws. The folks at Mutant Enemy usually don't do some of the blatantly negligent things that happened in this episode, namely: - -- In one scene, Dawn is pouring water on an unconscious Andrew, and he eventually wakes up. In the very next scene, which to all appearances takes place immediately thereafter, she is with the gang in the school basement and not only is she wearing a different shirt, but her hair has been attacked by a crimper. Huh?!? Their continuity people usually aren't asleep at the wheel like that. - -- When Willow got possessed by the power of the First, the whole thing happened so fast that I had to rewind it to find out why she was suddenly sobbing in Buffy's lap. I've never seen editing that poor on the show. - -- Why was Annabelle running? Why did she escape? There does indeed appear to have been an important scene missing. And now let's take a look at the *really* weird bit: Giles' return. Did anyone else get a "Sixth Sense" vibe from the whole thing? - -- The last we saw of Giles, he was about to get his head chopped off by a very large poleaxe. And now there he is, standing on Buffy's doorstep looking none the worse for wear. - -- Did anyone notice that he didn't touch anything or anyone? Taken next to his specific assertion that the First only manifests as dead people, that's setting off all sorts of alarm bells. (One could argue that the First has manifested as Buffy to Spike, but don't forget, she's been dead - -- twice!) Sure, he leaned against things, but the First's other manifestations have interacted with furniture and other solid surfaces in just the same way. - -- He was acting stuffy, even for Giles. And as Xander, Willow and Buffy indicated by some of their responses to him, they didn't appreciate the pressure he was putting on Buffy. Plus, he kept echoing what First-as-Joyce kept saying to Buffy: you're tired, you need to rest, relax for a minute. Assuming that Giles (or First-as-Giles?) wasn't lying when he said that the First only manifests as dead people, I fear the worst for old Ripper. :/ And if that really is First-as-Giles, can we believe a word he said in the entire episode? Are the Slayers-in-training real themselves? It's all so very odd. So much so, that I wouldn't be surprised to discover in the next episode that for whatever reason none of these events actually happened. Good bits: - -- *So* good to see Juliet Landau again!! She is just so wonderful. I hope we see more of First-as-Drusilla. - -- Andrew. He just cracks me up. Xander trying not to respond to him was funny, too. - -- The look on Buffy's face when Dawn and Anya were trying to cover up for pouring water on Andrew, when she hadn't even asked them what they'd been doing. - -- The American Slayer-in-training (was that Kennedy or Molly? I couldn't tell who was who) flirting with Willow, and her reaction. I was hoping more would come of that ... maybe in future episodes. - -- The growing intrigue with Principal Wood. Is he a good guy, or isn't he? >At the end, when Buffy was sitting in the dark >listening to her friends talk about how badly she'd >been hurt, the subtitles were completly different than >what was being said. I'm too confused to wonder what >was what, will have to watch the tape. Hmm... I'll have to turn the captioning on and go back and watch that scene. >The slayerettes were interesting. Hah -- Rob was calling them that too! >Kennedy was as gung >ho as Faith, Anyone else notice that Faith was actually name-checked? :) >Molly was as cautious and respectful as >Kendra, and Annabelle just plain panicked. I haven't >seen the movie since it came out. Was Buffy like that >at first? I don't think she would have panicked, but do I think the Buffy of the movie would have tried to escape if given the opportunity. ============================================== Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA mailto:meth@smoe.org http://www.smoe.org/meth ============================================== Live At The House O'Muzak House Concert Series http://muzak.smoe.org NEXT UP: Holly Figueroa, 1/26/03 ============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:55:23 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Huff Subject: Re: b/Bring on the Night By "subtitles" I meant "captioning", of course. Sorry. > >(spoilers) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- When Willow got possessed by the power of the > First, the whole thing > happened so fast that I had to rewind it to find out > why she was suddenly > sobbing in Buffy's lap. I've never seen editing > that poor on the show. But wasn't that a fascinating glimpse of what was apparently possessing her? I wonder if that's what the First looks like (a lot like a Balrog!). > And now let's take a look at the *really* weird bit: > Giles' return. Did > anyone else get a "Sixth Sense" vibe from the whole > thing? > > -- The last we saw of Giles, he was about to get his > head chopped off by a > very large poleaxe. And now there he is, standing > on Buffy's doorstep > looking none the worse for wear. > > -- Did anyone notice that he didn't touch anything > or anyone? Taken next > to his specific assertion that the First only > manifests as dead people, > that's setting off all sorts of alarm bells. (One > could argue that the > First has manifested as Buffy to Spike, but don't > forget, she's been dead > -- twice!) Sure, he leaned against things, but the > First's other > manifestations have interacted with furniture and > other solid surfaces in > just the same way. I tend to think this is just Joss playing with us. No way could the First have traveled from Britain with at least two of the Slayerettes (Kennedy seemed American) without touching them, from waiting in line at the airport to sitting next to them in the plane, etc. > -- He was acting stuffy, even for Giles. And as > Xander, Willow and Buffy > indicated by some of their responses to him, they > didn't appreciate the > pressure he was putting on Buffy. Plus, he kept > echoing what > First-as-Joyce kept saying to Buffy: you're tired, > you need to rest, relax > for a minute. This is interesting as well. Joyce only appeared when Buffy was asleep, and when she dreams it's usually prophetic (or good) in some way. Is this the First? Why would the First want Buffy to get a good sleep? Nobody else noticed Joyce standing there talking to Buffy, but we know that it was able to appear to Angel as Jenny without Buffy seeing or hearing it. > > Assuming that Giles (or First-as-Giles?) wasn't > lying when he said that the > First only manifests as dead people, I fear the > worst for old > Ripper. :/ And if that really is First-as-Giles, > can we believe a word he > said in the entire episode? Are the > Slayers-in-training real themselves? We definitely saw the Slayerettes interacting: eating cookies, handling weapons, carrying blankets. > > It's all so very odd. So much so, that I wouldn't > be surprised to discover > in the next episode that for whatever reason none of > these events actually > happened. No previews, so it's tough to say. > > -- Andrew. He just cracks me up. Xander trying not > to respond to him was > funny, too. Yes! They've got more in common than Xander's comfortable with, and wasn't it a hoot to see how anxious Dawn was to rough him up? I don't think we've seen her and Anya ever get along this well. > -- The American Slayer-in-training (was that Kennedy > or Molly? I couldn't > tell who was who) flirting with Willow, and her > reaction. I was hoping > more would come of that ... maybe in future > episodes. I think we will. Annabelle was the very proper one who died, Kennedy the one who was flirting with Willow, and Molly the cockney lass. > -- The growing intrigue with Principal Wood. Is he > a good guy, or isn't he? He likes mysteries, heh. > Anyone else notice that Faith was actually > name-checked? :) As well as Angel. I expect a call to L.A. any time now, asking for help that won't be able to come. Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V4 #179 *****************************