From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V4 #171 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Friday, November 22 2002 Volume 04 : Number 171 Today's Subjects: ----------------- b/Sleeper ["Berni Phillips" ] Re: b/Sleeper ["Susan Kroupa" ] Re: b/Sleeper ["marty" ] Re: b/Sleeper [Joseph Zitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:51:46 -0800 From: "Berni Phillips" Subject: b/Sleeper Kind of quiet here, folks. Still S P O I L E R S P A C E When Spike first started humming "The Gentle Maiden," I said to David, "I know that song!" It's on Kiri Te Kanawa's album, "Come to the Fair," her album of English folk songs,which I plan to listen to again, searching for more clues. For clues, I believe the song contains. Clues to the Big Bad. Spike was humming the part about "oh, never leave me, never deceive me, how could you a poor maiden so." (I don't remember the exact wording. Later, when Buffy is following Spike, there's a middle-aged white guy playing the same song on the harmonica. Right. How often do you see middle-aged white guys playing harmonica on street corners, and that's not the sort of thing harmonica players generally play, by what I've heard. It was the Big Bad, who then changes into the Buffy who caught up with Spike in the alley. In the basement of the house, we get the song again, this time with lyrics. (Was it pseudo-Spike who sang it? Either him or real Spike -- I need to watch the episode again.) So that's three times in this episode that they've used that same song. I conclude that the Big Bad is a vengeful female who is currently trapped (but getting ready to break out with all her machinations like Andrew's murder of Jonathan), craves company in a warped sort of and feels she was tricked (deceived). I submit to you the possibility that this is the return of Glory. Glory, who was only defeated by the death of Buffy (but not killed) and who was put out of action by Giles' killing of Ben. She has no human to time share with now. Didn't "Cassie's" little talk with Willow, once she took the gloves off, sound like Glory? Was that monstrosity she disappeared into her true form? She was a god, in the Buffyverse. It's possible that her essence was sucked into the Hellmout with the death of Ben, and is now trying to emerge. It would explain why she knows them. So, what do y'all think? Berni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:43:23 -0700 From: "Susan Kroupa" Subject: Re: b/Sleeper - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berni Phillips" To: Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: b/Sleeper > Kind of quiet here, folks. Still > > > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > > S > > P > > A > > C > > E > > When Spike first started humming "The Gentle Maiden," I said to David, "I know > that song!" It's on Kiri Te Kanawa's album, "Come to the Fair," her album of > English folk songs,which I plan to listen to again, searching for more clues. > > For clues, I believe the song contains. Clues to the Big Bad. Spike was > humming the part about "oh, never leave me, never deceive me, how could you > a poor maiden so." (I don't remember the exact wording. > > Later, when Buffy is following Spike, there's a middle-aged white guy playing > the same song on the harmonica. Right. How often do you see middle-aged > white guys playing harmonica on street corners, and that's not the sort of > thing harmonica players generally play, by what I've heard. It was the Big > Bad, who then changes into the Buffy who caught up with Spike in the alley. > > In the basement of the house, we get the song again, this time with lyrics. > (Was it pseudo-Spike who sang it? Either him or real Spike -- I need to watch > the episode again.) So that's three times in this episode that they've used > that same song. > > I conclude that the Big Bad is a vengeful female who is currently trapped (but > getting ready to break out with all her machinations like Andrew's murder of > Jonathan), craves company in a warped sort of and feels she was tricked > (deceived). > > I submit to you the possibility that this is the return of Glory. Glory, who > was only defeated by the death of Buffy (but not killed) and who was put out > of action by Giles' killing of Ben. She has no human to time share with now. > Didn't "Cassie's" little talk with Willow, once she took the gloves off, sound > like Glory? Was that monstrosity she disappeared into her true form? She was > a god, in the Buffyverse. It's possible that her essence was sucked into the > Hellmout with the death of Ben, and is now trying to emerge. It would explain > why she knows them. > > So, what do y'all think? > > Berni Yes, I thought that Cassie's final moments with Willow reminded me of Glory. You may be right. I totally missed the significance of the music which is odd because I generally am very aware of music in shows--thanks for pointing it out. Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 22:51:41 -0800 From: "marty" Subject: Re: b/Sleeper > > S > > > > P > > > > O > > > > I > > > > L > > > > E > > > > R > > > > > > S > > > > P > > > > A > > > > C > > > > E > > > > When Spike first started humming "The Gentle Maiden," It is a very old song. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:26:37 -0800 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: b/Sleeper On Thu, 21 Nov 2002 18:51:46 -0800 "Berni Phillips" wrote: > Kind of quiet here, folks. Still > > > S > > P > > O > > I > > L > > E > > R > > > S > > P > > A > > C > > E > > When Spike first started humming "The Gentle Maiden," I said to David, > "I know that song!" It's on Kiri Te Kanawa's album, "Come to the > Fair," her album of English folk songs,which I plan to listen to > again, searching for more clues. I knew it immediately too, under the title "Early One Morning". But it was permanently embedded in my mind as the theme to The Friendly Giant, which was my favorite TV show when I was three or so, > I submit to you the possibility that this is the return of Glory. > Glory, who was only defeated by the death of Buffy (but not killed) > and who was put out of action by Giles' killing of Ben. She has no > human to time share with now. Didn't "Cassie's" little talk with > Willow, once she took the gloves off, sound like Glory? Was that > monstrosity she disappeared into her true form? She was a god, in the > Buffyverse. It's possible that her essence was sucked into the > Hellmout with the death of Ben, and is now trying to emerge. It would > explain why she knows them. My hunch here is that Glory is, relatively speaking, small potatoes, and would make a less than satisfying grand loop to the beginning. But it gets me to thinking that the First Slayer may end up in some way involved. - -- | jzitt@josephzitt.com http://www.josephzitt.com/ | | GPG: A4224EFA http://www.mp3.com/josephzitt/ | | == New book: Surprise Me with Beauty: the Music of Human Systems == | | Comma / Gray Code / VoiceWAVE Silence: the John Cage Discussion List | ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V4 #171 *****************************