From: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org (stillpt-digest) To: stillpt-digest@smoe.org Subject: stillpt-digest V4 #75 Reply-To: stillpt@smoe.org Sender: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-stillpt-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk stillpt-digest Wednesday, May 22 2002 Volume 04 : Number 075 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: b/prescient lines ["Marta Grabien" ] Re: a/this week ["Marta Grabien" ] b/finale [Todd Huff ] Re: b/finale ["Marta Grabien" ] b/two hours of ["David S. Bratman" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:14:48 -0700 From: "Marta Grabien" Subject: Re: b/prescient lines > Y'know, despite my strictures on "Becoming" some time back, I'm finding > that watching (or, in some cases, rewatching) some of these season 1 and 2 > episodes reminds me of just how good this show can be when it's on > target. Maybe I should stop. If you read the earlier scripts, it is all there. Foreshadowing a couple of seasons ahead. Still, Joss said he ends every season as if it were the last. Tonight should be a corker. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:12:13 -0700 From: "Marta Grabien" Subject: Re: a/this week > IIRC the original prophecy said that _Connor_ would kill Sawjohn. Which is > why Sawjohn was so eager to get Connor out of there. And by erasing this > prophecy and substituting one that said Angel would kill Connor, he gave > Wesley his excuse to extract Connor without Sawjohn having to do anything else. > > Angel, Connor, and Sawjohn are all different people. (So far as we > know.) All that was moved around were the names in the prophecy. ARGH... Thanks, David. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:47:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Huff Subject: b/finale Spoiler space I lost count of the cultural references tonight. X-Men, Nirvana, Star Wars, somebody even mentioned a Moulin Rouge but I can't think of what it might have been. Big question for me: Is Spike human again or yet another vampire with a soul? The later has been done, but how would Spike prove it to Buffy et al? Even Dawn hates him now. Enough for me for now. I'll just comment on everybody else's thoughts. LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:42:06 -0700 From: "Marta Grabien" Subject: Re: b/finale > Spoiler space > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Big question for me: Is Spike human again or yet > another vampire with a soul? "I want to give Buffy what she wants"....Stay tuned. (g) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:04:10 -0700 From: "David S. Bratman" Subject: b/two hours of Finales are a problem, aren't they? I remember being disappointed with parts of "Primeval" (the action finale of 4th season: "Restless" was always described as a postlude), and I was deeply dissatisfied with "The Gift", but this ... They can film this crap, but they can't make me believe it. It had a couple good moments, mostly near the end, but for the most part this was a long essay in what makes bad fantasy bad. People think villains are easy to write. Hah. Big flashy boring battle after big flashy boring battle later ... Of the various crimes of this episode, the worst was its ability to turn Nicholas Brendon (at the opening, when Xander is supposedly winded and nauseous) and Alyson Hannigan (in her long, hackneyed Soliloquy of Evil in the middle) into bad actors. The same Alyson Hannigan who did so marvelously as VW way back when. What a waste. Marginalizing, both literally and figuratively, the star of the show for most of the second half wasn't a bad trick either. The two surprises at the end were both long guessed at, the one (about Xander) by Berni, the other (about Spike) here. This season has had exactly one item with which to marvel at Joss's cleverness, and that was the musical. But even the fallout from the final revelation of that one fell flat here. ------------------------------ End of stillpt-digest V4 #75 ****************************